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My hand isn't forced JKDS, what are you talking about? If I'm the wolf, I was cruising, and probably still am. I mean do you think gator, gabe or rascal are voting me ahead of you or baudib? I don't. That might well be misplaced confidence, but if I'm the wolf I can already bank on badib and rascal getting lynched, and should survive against you on final day. If I'm the wolf, this isn't a forced move, you just made it easier for me to lynch you sooner. But I'm not the wolf, you are.
I happen to agree with this, which is why I'm not really sweating on JKDS' move here. I mean I can afford to die so long as you and JKDS do too, and then if wolf is rascal, gabe or gator, well played. It's you or JKDS, and it seems I was wrong about you once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Stop being so wolfy.
If it is rascal, then JKDS just made this game more AIDS than anything me and baudib could dream up.
I've literally never done a wolfy thing all game.
There are some games where I say stuff for reaction or to trap people but I haven't thought that deeply about things this game.
I just don't have a filter and just say random thoughts that pop into my head.
JKDS talks about me lacking conviction, but he doesn't believe what he's saying about me.
I mean he posts a two liner post then fucks off. If he thought he had ong wolf bagged, he'd be all over me. All fucking over. He'd be mashing f5 to tear apart every post I made. His post where he highlights my "wolfy" posts, he doesn't actually go into any detail about why he thinks I'm wolfy. It's all very short and sweet. Yeah he's making wall posts, but nearly all of the text is within the quotes. It's me who's actually explaining my thought process, not him.
He's not all over me because his enthusiasm is low. He doesn't think he can win this. I'm going to win, regardless of if I get lynched, and JKDS knows it.
"Im happy we've got this won now" isnt something ong villa says, its something ong wolf says. None of his posts have the feeling that the game is won.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I've already done all of that.
This is painful JKDS. Just concede. gg.
I probably would have just ignored Ong the rest of the game if he didn't come after me the way he did at SOD.
but yeah, "blah blah blah" pretty much sums up all of his posts since then.
I can prove this wrong by dying and flipping villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
I can still win, and will still win, if this were to happen.
There's that conviction for you JKDS. I'm certain I'm going to win.
oh, we're still leveling in this game?
baudib, is it not obviously JKDS to you?
You dont even understand what i mean when i say conviction. The problem is that every single one of your posts doesnt sound genuine. At no point in this game, even right now, have you been excited over a lynch. You've never felt gungho about anyone, even now. You're still making posts like "lol if rascal is the wolf". Those dont mesh with thougths like "the game is over, just concede". Which means its a front. Not even you buy what you're selling.
Ok.
Lynch me first then.
It's not gabe, rascal, or gator, right? We agree there, right?
Conviction means a belief in what one is saying.
I actually thought baudib was the wolf.
Now I actually think the wolf is you.
I actually think I'm going to win.
Conviction.
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Originally Posted by baudib
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Originally Posted by baudib
baudib you just posted literally the wolfiest thing you did this game.
You told someone who had expressed concerns about JKDS that if he went for anyone other than baudib during the day phase, then he is wolfy. You tried to set me up when you would have literally no reason to expact villager ong to attack just one person during an enitre day phase.
What you posted there is utter crap and it seems that you really fucking are deluded enough to think it's somehow pro town.
It's garbage. And you think you're not wolfy? Seriously?
Anway, it's JKDS and I can't read baudib for shit. Nor can he read me for shit, which is some comfort.
I'm done. Wake me up when it's post game.
Wake me up when Ong makes a comprehensible case on someone.
Ong's progression doesn't make any sense to me.
baudib, my case on jkds is very simple, and considering you think yourself as something of a ww god, you should see that he's making a forced move. Even I can see jkds is the wolf, despite me really wanting it to be you for my own sanity. It's jkds. Obviously. It should be even more obvious to you if you're a villager because you know it isn't you. Do you really think this is wolf ong? really? You say I'm not making sense, well was I making sense last time we were villagers? It doesn't make sense that you're wolf reading me, but hey, you are.
I can't even recognize a case that you're making on JKDS, as simple as it's supposed to be. That he posted a two-liner and left? He clearly spent a lot of time trying to reread you and trying to figure out your alignment.
His hand certainly isn't forced. I don't like Wolf JKDS' chances here, but his best shot at winning this game was going along with POE and killing me and Rascal and then glgl at F3.
His only chance of winning is to lynch one of me, gabe and gator. He's going for the most vulnerable one of the three at critical time... he can't rely on gabe or gator's vote, so if he doesn't get me lynched now, he won't. Why can't you see that his only option as wolf is to try to lynch me now? If he doesn't, he's left with two from gabe-ong-gator at f3, a default loss unless he can talk gator or gabe into lynching me.
The fact he's only half assed hitting me betrays a distinct lack of enthusiasm. When he actually owned me as a wolf, it was relentless and bang on. Here it's vague as hell and based largely on his apparent interpretation of my conviciton.
Sorry, if you're actually a villager you've already torpedoed your case by making 47 inane and contradictory posts about why I was a wolf.
your progression on me still doesn't make any sense, and from your perspective I should still be just as suspect as JKDS.
for instance, apparently this complete 180 you did is based off the last page or so, where me and JKDS dominate the conversation. Most of what I was talking about makes you look bad. So acknowledging that I'm probably a villager is in effect conceding that I'm correct about what I was saying:
your tone is wolfy
you're overexplaining things the way you do as a wolf
you're way too tense given the game state
also it makes zero sense for you personally to lock clear Gator and Gabe when you were attacking me earlier in the game for doing the same thing.
Ok, so basically your thought process is "you thought I was a wolf so fuck you".
wp
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What I should do now is tell you you're a moron for thinking that I'm wolfy when I'm so obviously a villager.
Still dont believe you
Well I'm convinced.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
rescind jkds
lynch baudib
hahaha
rescind baudib
lynch jkds
why can't I just die
AIDS is slow.
I just got back to the hotel. Going to catch up on the thread now.
cliffs - shitfest, aids, jkds
1 2015-08-17 Haters 3 (link) Mish-Mash Village Day Vig Survived 6 Win 2 2015-07-09 NBA vs San Antonio Spurs vanilla+ (link) Vanilla+ Wolves Super Roleblocker Survived 7 Win 4/- 3 2015-06-11 Legends of Football Euro-friendly Vanilla 13er (link) Vanilla Village Eaten 6 Loss 4 2015-06-01 Futurama Mishmash (link) Mish-Mash Village Survived 7 Win 2/- 5 2015-05-18 David Fincher Mash (link) Mish-Mash Village Eaten 4 Loss 6 2015-04-13 Baldur's Gate Mish-Mash (link) Mish-Mash Village Epic Cleric Survived 5 Win 7 2014-12-14 13er video mafia roleset (link) Vanilla+ Wolves Lynched 6 Loss 8 2014-12-08 Venture Bros. (link) Mish-Mash Village Interrogator Eaten 5 Loss
8 straight games of making it to the final day
Eaten = killed by wolves after mislynch to end game
the wolf loss was at F3 in the video mafia roleset game was at F3 to end the game.
surviving the mashes are the nut low.
I'm not sure what to think about those wall posts from baudib on the last page. I've seen him reference other games to make some of his points, but I don't ever remember him putting in this much work as he did in those posts.
I know he posts a lot in most games, but not like this. Maybe he's trying to pocket me with his defense of me, but I'm moving him out of my scum pile to my neutral pile for now.
LOL at the first two points in your cliffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Why JKDS? I'm suspicious of him too based on rereading gator's analysis of JKDS last night, but I'd like to get your thoughts as well.
http://s6.postimg.org/jq2uxddyp/nutsack.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Hey, look at me, I have balls. Look at my balls.
Keep reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I mean it still could be baudib. I just don't think so any more. I've got form for misreading him, and JKDS really should have at least acknowledged my point that he's making what would appear to villager ong to be really wolfy moves. He's not concerned he's making a mistake by turning on me, which, if he was a villager, he should be concerned about.
Nah it's obviously JKDS and he's pretty much given up. There's no enthusiasm in his attack. He knows even lynching me doesn't win so long as you can avoid lynch.
Rascal, the good news is you're probably gonna win if you're a wolf.
LOL. I think we've all tried to block that game from our memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I understand what you're saying about baudib, but I don't really understand your statement about JKDS.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Put yourself in JKDS wolf shoes. How can he win? He faces gabe and gator who are unlynchable. Then there's me who gabe and gator both think is villager. JKDS wolf is already up against it right there, half the village is unlynchable... unless... he can get your vote on me and gets me to three before me gabe and gator can get our votes together... if that holds, then he can maybe get to baudib and then you. It's a long shot, but it's a better chance than seeing me survive this lynch, which then means OVER half the village is a bitch to lynch, and JKDS is locked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
otoh, put yourself in JKDS' villager shoes. He can read me really well, yet despite me spewing my villager role, he thinks I'm a wolf? Bullshit. I've seen him tear me to pieces when I was a wolf, and it was and impressive thing to see. When JKDS has a wolf in his sights, he doesn't let up. In fact that game where he owned me, he went to bed and I talked myself out of the noose somehow. You think he'd let that happen again? There is no way JKDS makes one liner posts to me, ongbonga, when he thinks I'm a wolf. He is much more detailed. This is a million miles away from a JKDS villager attack.
The point you highlight, JKDS as a villager would consider both options with me... he'd try to figure out if what I'm saying makes sense from a villager. If he's a villager, he should understand why as a villager he would have given me such a headache by swinging for me. He understands why I would see that as wolfy strategy. But he isn't thinking "what if ong is a villager", which shows he's not one.
It's a done deal.
This post makes no sense IMO. You stating that "There isnt any focus to the attacks" is just untrue. He's been pretty focused on baudib this game (actually that's true in most games) and more recently on you for the exact reason that you call him villagery. He's reacting to your posts about him because you suspect him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
This post is wolfy because it twists what's going on and lacks consistent logic.
Ok, and I think I found what you're saying in my crosspost just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I love this post because it made me laugh and is so true. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I disagree with this. At times I've found you wolfy and then you do something villagery. It's why I still have you in my neutral pile.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
that's just not true. I'm a villager and don't have any hidden motivations or agendas here.
Caught up now and these cliffs are accurate. My head hurts after reading all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That may be true, but from my POV it's not that clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Wolfy post incomgin:
It's gonna be hilarious when we just let Gabe cruise to a win off 3 posts per day.
I was actually just about to ask where he went since he hasn't posted since 3:38PM yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I just ISO'd gabe and I don't see him being the clear villa that others are saying he is. Maybe it's because of his meta, but I'm not seeing any game solving and I do see a lot of fluff and a little commentary from him.
lynch JKDS
lynch gabe
Here's where I stand now:
Gator - Villa
Ong - Villa
baudib - Neutral
gabe - Wolf
JKDS - Wolf
Don't care, kill ong after.
His argument is nonsensical tho, because if anything...it proves I wouldn't kill BID. I'm not a dummy.
But look over ong's posts rascal. His "focus" that you see is him being defensive when attacked. But even still, none of his posts sound real. Look at them, pit yourself in ong's position, and see if the way he reacted is the same way you would.
Meanwhile, he is constantly spreading paranoia, discrediting villa reads, and making arguments that make absolutely no sense. It's nonsensical in a way that ong normally isnt, and for all of these reasons he's a wolf.
He's fake laughing, he's bragging about the bid kill, he's defensive, but his posts are never consistent with how he should be feeling.
His argument is that Ive killed bid, even tho that leaves me to deal with a ton of ppl who didn't like me on day 1. His argument is that I'm reading him wrong, so I must be a wold. But I'm not reading him wrong...and wolf ong has no choice but to say I am.
Still, doesn't matter. Lynch me, then lynch ong. Baudib is a villa tho, andI feel like we can also trust rascal and gator.
Standard caveats with Gabe apply: Among the regs here who play WW, he's easily the only one who's a world-class poker pro, so balancing and stuff like knowing when to change gears and making reads on the mood of the village is stuff that comes naturally to him.
I could easily see him taking this line as a wolf who feels things are going swimmingly (he's widely cleared). I also think that if Gabe were a villager who felt good about the perceived PoE, he'd do this as well.
Whatever, it's hard for me to want to lynch someone who expressed things in the thread that I was feeling at the same time.
I seriously doubt JKDS would try to pocket me as a wolf when I was the clear mislynch at SOD.
Rascal, why do i back off baudib if im a wolf? What benefit did I have in even posting last night? Its so much easier to just do absolutely nothing and let baudib get lynched. So why didnt I? Wheres the benefit?
Ong says my hand is forced, but this situation only exists because Drew was nommed. So...the conclusion is I suck at picking nom targets, or put myself in this situation for fun. The conclusion is that I ignored killing gabe, even though he's been anti-jkds for awhile. The conclusion is that I deliberately left jkds-haters alive, who were also believed to be villagery, and also decided to help spread their credibility.
You must think im terrible.
are these TWTBAW or what
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ong does have a decent point about the idea that killing Drew is a good move for Gabe if it keeps suspicion off him, i.e., it's not a traditional SPK (strong player kill) move.
No. Not a chance. He's lost the ability to have TWTBAW applied to him ever since he posted the wolfiest thing in the world in an attempt to get villager cred when he daykilled someone that one time.
This sequence coupled with Ong congratulating the wolf on the kill looks extremely bad for Ong IMO.
For one, it makes no sense for him to believe he would get nommed if I was the wolf, and then turn around and say I'm a wolf because he didn't get nommed.
Also it indicates he has a lot to say about the nom that just doesn't make any sense.
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Originally Posted by baudib
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
RE: bolded blue: Wat, like wtf huhQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
mwahahahaha added is incredibly wolfy too.
"everyone else wants me to flip villager"
who even says things like this?
To be fair, ong is sometimes just "like that". The arguments arent what gives him away, its the tone and mentality behind them. None of his things are "ah ha, die wolf", except for the ones where hes in 'do-or-die' mode in defense.
He did nothing to save mmm, hes gone out of his way to discredit villager reads like the luco wagon, and the way he has attacked this game feels a lot like throwing darts at a board rather than throwing a punch.
it matters a lot that he didnt save mmm tho. He called him a villager, then fucked off and let him die. Thats incredibly out of character for ong, who usually instigates and starts fights with people who dont agree with his reads. He didnt even try to stop the mmm lynch though, and the best reason is because mmm usually clears himself and him getting lynched was too good for ong to pass up.
Day 2 starts, and ong could give a fuck about the people that voted mmm. He does those night kill interpretation posts, then votes baudib. He doesnt think "a wolf killed mmm", the thought doesnt even cross his mind. Hes focused on how the night kill must implicate baudib.
Rascal, don't lynch JKDS.
For the love of God can one of baudib or Ong please die so we can get back to solving the game.
What do you think we've been doing?
It's Ong with a small side of Gabe.
Gator:
It's not me, it's not Rascal, it's not JKDS and it's not you.
game is solved.
glgl
updated
Ong 50%
Gabe 20%
Rascal 10%
JKDS 10%
Gator 10%
Votecount 2.2
2
JKDS - (Ong, lilrascal)
Ong - (JKDS, baudib)
1
baudib - (Gator)
gabe - (lilrascal)
4 hours 43mins left!
Rascal I'm slightly disappointed. If you end up being a wolf I'll be mad.
wow my brain completely forgot about werewolf. its like i went to sleep thinking "we cant lose" so it didnt pop in my head all day
im catching up now
heres a paradox
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Originally Posted by baudib
im inclined to believe ong. ive thought he was a villager all game. as jkds aptly described, i think ong is just "like that" and all the wolfy things you are picking up are just ong being "like that" in general. whatever that means
i wont be voting for ong. ill be around the thread now to analyze more
with my absence, ive naturally become suspicious. no suprise. dont see this as "gabe only responding when he is targeted"
Whoever is the villager out of baudib and JKDS is hilarious.
This is desperate stuff. Absolutely desperate. I got back online to try to make sure my vote wasn't waster. I said mojo is town, voted for rascal with five minutes left.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
JKS was nowhere and his vote on both the wagons. JKDS didn't give a fuck, I did. Yet he'd have you think I left mojo to die. No I didn't, I made a late vote to try and save him.
JKDS is talking about the drew like he was lynchable. He wasn't. If gabe died, we'll be having the exact same discussion except swap gabe for drew. The drew kill was necessary, just earlier than expected.
One of JKDS/baudib is a wolf, and the other hasn't got a clue what he's doing. It's pretty easy to figure out which way round that is.
I'm going out today, and I won't be back until sunday. Have fun.
I'm sorry gator but the game is solved so long as you and gabe don't lose your faith in me out of frustration.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
From my pov it's solved. I'm a villager and so is gabe/gator. I'm happy enough with rascal too that I feel my lynch can be afforded, not that I think it will happen.
I'm glad I'm going away this weekend. It gives gabe and gator the chance to take control of this thing. I expect it to be over with the next lynch.
i think its much more likely baudib is the villager....Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
ive highlighted a few sentences i thought were very wolfy
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Originally Posted by JKDS
the "it makes sense that __" argument sounds like a wolf trying to justify (subconsciously to himself, consciously to everyone else) the story he is putting out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
this paragraph feels forced... like that is your personal wolf to-do checklist boldedQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
i think its true jkds hasnt been focusing on this game too much. its because of that he made the wrong target in going for ong.
also i never felt the reason for the shift off of rascal. im not sold on him. the argument seems to be that he posts villagery stuff, but we still have never seen him be wolf to have somewhat reads. and we should assume he would be good as a wolf since he has played often...
lynch jkds
lynch rascal
DRUDGESIREN.GIFQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ong you just said it doesn't matter, kill you and JKDS and now you're appealing to stay alive all game.
we have mislynches to spare. if you're a villager your life isn't that important.
JFC Gabe
I don't expect JKDS to be a terrible wolf and he is correct in this post. If he played it this way he did an awful job.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
gl us?
whatever
Well they both need to die so lynch JKDS
Votecount 2.3
4
JKDS - (Ong, lilrascal, gabe, Gator)
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Ong - (JKDS, baudib)
1
baudib - (Gator)
lilrascal - (Gabe)
gabe - (lilrascal)
JKDS has been lynched!
He was a villager!
48 hours to the next lynch!
The Village
gabe
Gator
Ong
lilrascal
baudib
4 Villagers
1 Wolf
Luco was lynched day 1
MMM was lynched day 1
Bankitdrew was killed night 1
JKDS was lynched day 2
3 votes for a majority.
All votes have reset.
oh look JKDS was a villager
lynch Ong
Lynch Gabe too
I think the way to play this is going to be to pick 2 people who you think are villagers.
I'm going with Gator and Rascal.
JKDS was the most obvious villager, good job on that one wolf.
This is kinda crazy but I just realized I have a decent shot at being nommed tonight. weeeee
I've said just about everything I need to say.
Wilf, my body is ready.