Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

That there's some play between LF and Margaery is the most obvious thing I've ever seen. She wants to be "the queen", he wants to be ruler of all. The Tyrells and Lannisters will find common ground against Stannis, then eventually LF and Margaery will marry. Who else is Margaery gonna try to become "the queen" with?

Also must say I'm not a fan of the "sexual tension" they briefly hinted at between Jorah and Dany. I don't know what GRRM was trying to write in their relationship, it's hard to do either way, but the show would be better off just leaving out any semblance of Jorah being anything other than super loyal to her as his queen (obv because he feels he must redeem himself for his disloyalties in his past). Could also be that it's just hard to read what's really going on with Dany. For example, they hit on things like Dany's Dothrakiness clashing with her moving up in the world (the tension in the scene with her servants about the dresses and shit, as well as the scene about stealing), but it seems to almost be a throwaway point for the show. I fear that Qarth itself is a throwaway region, and after Dany leaves it, GoT leaves it behind. It seems that could happen with Dany trusting Jorah to get a ship and stuff.

And we don't really even know what happened in that scene. Why did Dany trust Jorah? That was a huuuuuge decision, and we don't quite know what motivations were behind her making it. Does she think he's right, does she not trust any other than him, does she love him, or did GRRM merely throwaway this part of the story in order to get closer to Westeros?

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lol boost all over TWoP they sign themselves as TWoP

Also I fucking hate Theon. If he's actually betraying the Starks, I hate hate hate him. I don't think somebody with a soul would act the way he has. Betrayal is one thing, but betrayal so easily is another

A Man is pretty awesome, but I really hate that it reeeeeaaally looks like they're gonna have Arya have A Man kill Tywin. The first was Tickler, second will be the dude with Needle, then third Tywin. Everything about that plot rubs me the wrong way, also I think Tywin is a pretty great character. He's a rare breed of an actual thoughtful man who also wields his power with force

Loras is gonna be a big character. Who was behind the Renly story? It was Loras, he was the one initially telling Renly what was up. Loras was the one put up against Gregor, he was the one the scene with Renly's dead body revolved around. I think we're not seeing it yet, but Loras is a pretty important character

The scene where Cersei says "So clever with your schemes and your plots", then Tyrion says "Schemes and plots are the same thing" was so Arrested Development

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I don't disagree with you, but tell me why you think it's superior to, say, Tolkien.

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In addition, masked lady said, "dragons are fire made flesh"

That is lore to depths that others never seem to hit. Not only is it using dragons as a metaphor, but Danaerys herself is "fire made flesh" in her inability for her flesh to not be burned by fire

The lore is much more pervasive and subtle. Instead of a powerful wizard who casts ice storms, winter itself bears the magic

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A Man is pretty awesome, but I really hate that it reeeeeaaally looks like they're gonna have Arya have A Man kill Tywin. The first was Tickler, second will be the dude with Needle, then third Tywin. Everything about that plot rubs me the wrong way, also I think Tywin is a pretty great character. He's a rare breed of an actual thoughtful man who also wields his power with force

Loras is gonna be a big character. Who was behind the Renly story? It was Loras, he was the one initially telling Renly what was up. Loras was the one put up against Gregor, he was the one the scene with Renly's dead body revolved around. I think we're not seeing it yet, but Loras is a pretty important character

The scene where Cersei says "So clever with your schemes and your plots", then Tyrion says "Schemes and plots are the same thing" was so Arrested Development

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I hate Theon haters. He's such an awesome character. Not awesome in the typical way... but awesome in the same way that The Hound is awesome. Also, unlike all those twats on TWoP, I love everything Greyjoy.

As for A Man.. I think it will be Poliver, then The Mountain. I could be wrong, and I have no solid reason to think anything different, but I just don't think Tywin is going to get got yet, and not by A Man. But if that is how things went down, I wouldn't hate it, because Tywin is a great character, and A Man is rising to be one, so A Man would be elevated to greatness by killing greatness.

Re: Loras-- Ya, I hope so, he's an interesting character and that actor rivals Tywin in the way he commands the screen imo. Every scene he is in, he makes a really big impression.

something little I just noticed... when the guy is soap boxing in the streets, talking shit about Joffrey, you can see Lannister men up on the wall looking on and doing nothing. It's easy to miss, but quite an impressive bit of detail added in.

Also, "She's a sweet innocent girl, I don't blame her at all for you." was a clutch comeback to her blaming him for their mother's death in the previous episode. I like how the writing references something from another episode which is not a key plot point. With most TV viewers being complete droolers, it's quite rare.

Theon is a great character, but I hate who he is.

Actually, you're right about Poliver then The Mountain (if Poliver is the guy with Needle). I forgot about Mountain, but that's probably where they're gonna go. I just really hate killing Tywin like that. There is soooooo much for his character to do that if I were GRRM, I would have written in a different plotline than having him die to A Man. My main reasoning for A Man gonna be killing Tywin had to do with that ballin scene of "anybody can be killed". The Arya/Tywin story is way too good to allow it to end like that though. Things like she'll be his cupbearer for quite some time, he'll probably be promoting her too (because he's clearly smart and his behavior implies that he's finding reason to think she's smart, or at least "of use" and even that he thinks she's hiding something important), then that whole dynamic could be a huge story. So A Man shouldn't be asked to kill Tywin. It would be really stupid of Arya anyways, since he's her sugar daddy. On the flip side, it could be really smart of Arya since killing Tywin could save the North/her family/etc

I feel like Myrcella is actually going to Dorne, and may be used to get the Martels on the Lannisters side. Would be very interesting to see Stannis sandwiched, since Dorne is below him in latitude. I still have Stannis/Melisandre taking over thoughout the series, then Dany and her dragons being viewed as saviors by the audience when they invade. If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if Dany begins to come off wanting to invade, then the audience has find out if she'll decide to come around to it and thus be the unwitting hero. Not sure how this dynamic plays with Winter though. There are several different plots converging, and only a few can come out alive. So in that sense, it could only be Dany vs Winter, not Melisandre vs Winter. So if Winter comes soon enough, it means Stannis/Melisandre get quashed somewhat soon, probably either by Winter itself or Dany. The final product of this whole storyline (as we know it) has to be Dragons vs Winter though.

It's possible that Tyrion and the wildfire will be able to hold off Stannis and Melisadre, but I honestly do not see any magic people losing to non-magic people for a long time. The story will soon become Lannister vs Stannis and Stark vs Greyjoy, instead of the current Stark vs Lannister. Greyjoy is losing to Stark for sure, but in trying to figure out who loses in Stannis vs Lannister, I have a hard time seeing Lannister win (unless it's a HUGE fucking thing and they end up marginalizing how the story presents Melisandre as extremely powerful). And I don't know where they can go if they lose, would be sick as fuck if they all died, except Tyrion (and hopefully Bronn), who is required to Take the Black or something.

I also think that Stannis is using Melisandre. I think he knows what she's up to, that she's trying to use him, but he's actually using her. The whole him being too in love to see things clearly is almost a little too simplistic. I think even Davos doesn't have a clue that Stannis is playing her.


But then another look at Melisandre is that she's just a prop to get the story going. I would write her as completely foreign in every way (almost like she's the prophet/avatar of a god from a different planet), which would make her extremely powerful and able to do all sorts of sick and cunning shit (like possess people and make her own sort of army, which is where I thought they were going when the wraith showed up). But she's probably just a piece of magic that isn't super powerful, and gets crushed when the jig is up

Interesting read wuf, I wanted to comment on your thoughts on the Qarth story arc.

It seems to me that there is pretty much no way this whole Qarth portion of the storyline ends up finishing quickly / being of little consequence. I also am not yet convinced that Dany is definitely not going to marry the big wealthy black dude of the 13; her line "I look forward to meeting him" re. the potential captain of the 'one ship' that would take her to Westeros, was somewhat unconvincing.

Also there are a few budding plotlines taking place there; what is the deal with the hall of the undying? You may also note that the character that Dany was speaking with in the town square before she was distracted by her dothraki stealing shit was no bit actor; I'd have to look again to make sure though. If correct, it seems somewhat of a waste to use an actor of that caliber as pretty much a one-line background type character, and I'd have to assume more will happen with her.

And, if it needs to be pointed out, I doubt the producers would go to such lengths as to include Qarth in the opening credits sequence if the Dany storyline was only going to be there in passing.

That's all. Looking forward to Sunday!

Yeah fuck Theon that sister-feeling up, entitled brat. It's great to see his people laugh at his attempts to 'lead' them. And as much as I hate the Lannister family (minus the dwarf ofc), Tywin is a fucking man and I don't wanna see him go out this easily.

hey dranger that was a blatant spoiler, thanks

yeah I guess that was a spoiler...DELETED.

fucking dranger FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Interesting read wuf, I wanted to comment on your thoughts on the Qarth story arc.

It seems to me that there is pretty much no way this whole Qarth portion of the storyline ends up finishing quickly / being of little consequence. I also am not yet convinced that Dany is definitely not going to marry the big wealthy black dude of the 13; her line "I look forward to meeting him" re. the potential captain of the 'one ship' that would take her to Westeros, was somewhat unconvincing.

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I read it differently. I believe Dany loves Jorah, but doesn't realize it. Her exclaiming "What do you want!?" was a bombshell of tension of the more intimate variety. If it wasn't, the actors and directors played it wrong. I think that Dany was taken aback at his claims of her having a good heart, then she decided to trust his opinion fully. This is what the acting in that scene looked like to me. There were some serious tells on Dany's part, just not sure exactly what she was trying to give off.

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Also there are a few budding plotlines taking place there; what is the deal with the hall of the undying? You may also note that the character that Dany was speaking with in the town square before she was distracted by her dothraki stealing shit was no bit actor; I'd have to look again to make sure though. If correct, it seems somewhat of a waste to use an actor of that caliber as pretty much a one-line background type character, and I'd have to assume more will happen with her.

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My guess is the Hall of the Undying is for setting the stage, or maybe they try to do something significant, but it doesn't last for much of the story. I do think that chick she was talking to was a bit actor, it's the masked woman that was not. I have no clue about her

The main reason I think that Qarth is "throwaway" is because it seems everything on Essos is. It's all about this Iron Throne on Westeros, which is just weird to me since Essos is fucking bigger and probably richer and more powerful. The Dothraki are probably a thing of the past by now. I mean, the "Khaleesi" story is on life support. I'm positive that GoT spends a lot of time in non-Westeros places (as it has), but it appears that all those could just be transitional phases. We were all ginned up for the Dothraki horde dynamic, but that probably won't happen; likewise Qarth will probably come and go. Qarth isn't even a well thought out region. It's a trading mecca in the middle of a Garden of Bones. Um, what? GRRM probably didn't spend enough time on figuring out Qarth, or all of Essos for that matter.

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And, if it needs to be pointed out, I doubt the producers would go to such lengths as to include Qarth in the opening credits sequence if the Dany storyline was only going to be there in passing.

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The would. They did it for Riverrun or the Riverlands or the Twins or whatever, and that hasn't seen much action. Several characters and plotlines have all but died too. Tyrion's dagger, Alliser Thorne, and Barristan Selmy come to mind

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Agreed that Theon is one of the most interesting characters. Abandoned by his father, raised with the Starks but has to identify by and be proud of his Greyjoy name, finally meets his father and family and is basically abandoned again since he's been socialized by another house.

Will he fight for the Starks as an honorable man or with the Greyjoys to reclaim his lost identity and family or will he fight for himself as some hybrid honorable man who takes what he can?

Tune in next time!

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Ya, im left wondering what the others do. Quip? Declare yourself king/queen? Drink?

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Ya, im left wondering what the others do. Quip? Declare yourself king/queen? Drink?

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'Y' has the character explain his motivations while having sex with a prostitute.

I thought that Stannis said "we'll not sail for KL without Melisandre", but somebody said he said "we'll sail for KL without Melisandre". So I don't know which he said, but if they're not bringing Meli to KL then Stannis stands no chance of winning. I feel like GRRM might have a soft spot on his heart for the Stannis character, but he's not beating up Tyrion on just brawn

he said "we'll sail w/o her"

ya, def w/o

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Also, unlike all those twats on TWoP...

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I found this funny. That site has got to be the only one with soooo many women. Their style is just different. They treat the show, the thread, and those involved interacting in the thread more seriously, which is such a girl thing to do. But they do end up getting a ton of interesting and unique perspectives. Example, I felt that, even though he was never introduced, Stannis was a main character back in season one because the TWoP chicks kept referencing "the elusive crustacean" and whatever because Ned (or Renly) said he had the personality of a lobster

Nope, no body wants to talk about the smoke monster on the show anymore. What show you think this is, Lost? John Locke woulda made a good Eddard Stark though.

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Nope, no body wants to talk about the smoke monster on the show anymore. What show you think this is, Lost? John Locke woulda made a good Eddard Stark though.

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Huh?

Laughed good at Arya and A Man. That was just great

Dragon plotline is going best as it could. I only hope that the House of the Undying isn't just imposters, but have some legit powers. They won't be able to keep the dragons for long, though, because they're probably just imposters. The rich black dude chaperoning Dany around to get ships didn't make much sense. She may have to marry him now, in order to get the dragons back. I feel like he wouldn't coerce her into that sorta deal, he wants her to make that decision on her own

Theon dies before the season is done. His character seems almost in death throes. They've been all over the place with him, and have had trouble actually showing who he is/his motivations IMO. Or maybe I didn't see that he had such a villainous betrayal in him because he was just a douche, and a lot of people act in the douchey ways he did, so it just slipped my mind, perhaps.

I think Jon Snow's captive is fucking awesome. My type of girl. Part of me wants to see an actual love story develop. Not because it would help the GoT story, but that I always wanna see that shit because I'm the sappiest sap in all sapland

I'm now hoping that instead of Sansa poisoning The Joff, Hound bludgeons him to death to save Sansa from his wrath. That won't happen though because The Joff is getting put in his place quite neatly now. Sad, really; I was hoping for him to play supreme villain. Since last season, it was pretty clear Hound cares for Sansa

Tywin is GOAT

woah.. fuck.. I just got off work, and I clicked the thread out of habit, and just started to ready our last post wuf... only read like half of the first sentence before I realized it was referencing something I had never seen...

This is like putting on your winter jacket for the first time of the year and finding a $20 bill in the pocket. I completely spaced on the fact that there's a new ep tonight. Fuck yeah.


after watching: wow, I don't even know what to say, that was a downright phenomenal episode. I guess I'll just touch on a few different things..

Osha's plan was so cool. Normally she would have slept with Theon and then waited til he was asleep so she could tip toe to the key ring that he kept around his belt which he only takes off when he has sex. Instead she simply did it so that she had credibility with his men should she be unfortunate enough to encounter one.

I really like how they have juxtaposed Robb against the late Renly. Renly was generally well liked, but it was all show. In private he was a bit of a douche and basked in how people seemed to worship him. Robb commands the same sort of loyalty and respect from his men, but it's not a show. He is at war, not playing at it. It's like a Roosevelt vs. Patton. Both have the loyalty and reverence of the people, but one is a politician-- and one is the real deal.

Poor Theon... not even Brann took him seriously when he burst into his chambers. Brann's reaction was near comical. "Like, dude, what are you even doing?"

Tywin is obv on point. That guy is just such a boss. It was cool hearing him talk about his dad... it seems to be a subtle suggestion that he was very much like Ned. Which would be very subtle foreshadowing for Arya, or the Starks in general. I doubt the latter though, as Robb seems to very much be his father's son.

A Man and Arya scene was great once again. Speaking of Arya, I really liked how she got such a kick out of being praised by Tywin. It showed very much that she is really still just a kid. Oh, and what was up with the LF thing. Did he catch that it was her or not? I would think that he had to, simply because he is very astute, and it's a bit of a cheap way to get suspense if nothing comes of it. But even if that were the case, I wouldn't mind-- but the english lit nits on TWoP definitely will pick it apart.

The little throw away knowledge about how Maestors are loyal to a castle, not to a house was cool. Bits like this truly help to flesh out the world.

Not sure what to say about Dany's storyline. Not in a bad way-- I thoroughly enjoyed the Qarth scenes, but I just don't have any much to say, except that I'm excited to see it play out.

Back to Winterfell, the guy with the flayed man as his sigil's bastard is going to lead the charge to take back Winterfell. Without Robb around to temper these guys, things might get nasty.

OH SHIT.. how have I not mentioned Tyrion smacking the shit out of Joffrey's bitch ass again. What a fucking boss. That whole scene/series of scenes were shot really well. The chaos felt very real. The streets being in a full on riot, Sansa almost getting gang raped, everyone shouting commands, Tyrion losing his shit...

Can't find a .gif yet, but it's already looped on youtube Tyrion slaps Joffrey... AGAIN! - YouTube

Theon is not cut out for what he's trying to do. The first night of his campaign and he's trusting any robe-dropping slut that asks. He can't fight for the Starks now, since they're honor bound to have his head.

Renly was not two-faced or somehow different in private, he was just trying to become a different king than Robb. Renly wanted to be a king for his people to love, which has its merits since it probably means great social policy during his reign, while Robb is trying to be a king for his people to follow. It also has his merits since his would be a kingdom of laws. You should have some respect for the dead. Renly didn't bask in how people worshiped him, he understood his skill-set, his tool-kit, for being king. We see Robb developing a different skill set with all his military decisions.

I suspect that the blue-lipped methrock moonshiners don't divine any great power from their drugs. That they're like native american drugs that give great insight and wisdom to those who journey and affect the decisions they make in business but are still just drugs.

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Just commenting on how the characters seem to have just forgotten about the magical smoke monster thing. Cat and Brienne get back to Robb, dont look shaken up at all...dont really talk about it again, its like it never happened.

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Just commenting on how the characters seem to have just forgotten about the magical smoke monster thing. Cat and Brienne get back to Robb, dont look shaken up at all...dont really talk about it again, its like it never happened.

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Oh I see. Yeah that's true

I thought you were pulling a dranger by suggesting the smoke monster makes a return

I will never comment on any opinions or theories, nor talk about future events, and am only talking about past events that have strong TV Show support and have previously been discussed itt to avoid suggesting importance.

Also Locke wouldnt have given away that Eddard was gonna die. Curse you Sean Bean, you two legged spoiler!

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Can't find a .gif yet, but it's already looped on youtube Tyrion slaps Joffrey... AGAIN! - YouTube

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Theon is not cut out for what he's trying to do. The first night of his campaign and he's trusting any robe-dropping slut that asks. He can't fight for the Starks now, since they're honor bound to have his head.

Renly was not two-faced or somehow different in private, he was just trying to become a different king than Robb. Renly wanted to be a king for his people to love, which has its merits since it probably means great social policy during his reign, while Robb is trying to be a king for his people to follow. It also has his merits since his would be a kingdom of laws. You should have some respect for the dead. Renly didn't bask in how people worshiped him, he understood his skill-set, his tool-kit, for being king. We see Robb developing a different skill set with all his military decisions.

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Ya, I may have overstated what I was trying to illustrate. But it was certainly all a game to Renly, he was very much a politician. He was very much into the aesthetics of it all. I'm not saying he was a bad guy, but his motivations for being such a good guy were less than pure. While Robb's motivations for doing what he is doing are steeped in honor and duty. Robb isn't a down to earth, friendly guy as a means to some end, he just is a good guy... he is his father's son.

Up thread wuf predicted that Theon's remaining breaths are numbered, but I'm not sure I concur. If Theon dies, then what comes of the Greyjoys? Theon's arc may seem exhausted, but the Greyjoy arc isn't, and for their arc to continue I'd think Theon needs to live. But how he continues to live? I really don't know. Things are looking grim for our favorite weak willed latchkey.

edit: rilla, wtf.. did you tell me to respect the dead? They are dead, fuck them. And on top of that, no one is even dead, it's a story... you know, fiction, not real.

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Stannis' Shadow and Lady Stark's reaction - Lady Stark didn't even introduce her new BFF to Robb in that scene so a lot of details were kind of left out. Besides, what does telling Robb do but satisfy your need to see them bewildered by what they saw? They don't know what they saw and if they'll see it again. But if they do, I'm sure they'll mention the connection.

Where was Jorah this episode? Where was Bronn during the riot?

The Greyjoy story can be told without Theon. His role is really just in him being a total cunt. I'm not sure if he has much role outside of being that total cunt, and he's already reached peak cuntiness. However, he could go more cunty, I just doubt that GRRM took him there. What I mean is that he most certainly could be written as Uber Joffrey, so to speak. Where the The Joff has been marginalized, it seems, Theon has some crazy epic desire to be respected, yet he's so damn cruel and dumb that he may only be able to get worse and worse and worse until somebody kills him

Come to think of it, I like that line, and hope they play him like that. I wanna see him betray his own family and try to get back in good with the Starks. Not that it would make any sort of sense or that it would work, but that's the sort of thing somebody like him would do

Also, he was eating fruit. 1) How the fuck do they get fruit up in the damn tundra? 2) Eating fruit could mean he's gonna die. I would HATE it if HBO did that though because it's so fucking dumb if it's a running symbol. It does work for a one off, but that's it.

Nitpick: Greyjoys could never invade the way they did. They're pirates who live on rocks and ships. Winterfell is in the middle of a damn continent, LOL at pirates even knowing horses well enough to get the job done in the time scale they did


A Man is easily my favorite character right now. I hope Arya doesn't tell him to kill Littlefinger though. It would be pretty shitty writing if LF needed to die for essentially the same reason the illiterate dude did, and I think her final kill should be saved for quite some time.


Part of me has Robb screwing the pooch big time by falling in love with that chick. Like he ends up losing the right alliance, then a specific battle, then becomes Lannister's prisoner or something


I want the Nightswatch to get fucked. Not that I don't like them, but I just can't respect anything that takes a vow of celibacy. So I hope that Snow falls in love and perhaps betrays the order. My hope is that he gets captured by the wildlings, and finds that things are different than he was taught and Benjen is still alive and had "defected". There needs to be some really deep and important mystery in the whole north of the wall stuff, and I want Snow to undergo some shifts in his belief system

Bronn being gone was certainly weird, but I assumed Jorah being gone was because he's out looking for a boat

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The Greyjoy story can be told without Theon. His role is really just in him being a total cunt. I'm not sure if he has much role outside of being that total cunt, and he's already reached peak cuntiness. However, he could go more cunty, I just doubt that GRRM took him there. What I mean is that he most certainly could be written as Uber Joffrey, so to speak. Where the The Joff has been marginalized, it seems, Theon has some crazy epic desire to be respected, yet he's so damn cruel and dumb that he may only be able to get worse and worse and worse until somebody kills him

Come to think of it, I like that line, and hope they play him like that. I wanna see him betray his own family and try to get back in good with the Starks. Not that it would make any sort of sense or that it would work, but that's the sort of thing somebody like him would do

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Ya, I think he's just heading down a path of self destruction.

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Also, he was eating fruit. 1) How the fuck do they get fruit up in the damn tundra? 2) Eating fruit could mean he's gonna die. I would HATE it if HBO did that though because it's so fucking dumb if it's a running symbol. It does work for a one off, but that's it.

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1) what kind of fruit was he eating? Apples store very well. They are routinely available at farmers markets in Chicago well into the winter. 2) Ya, on one hand I like the symbolism, but on the other if it becomes that easy to predict who will die, it would be pretty lame. I don't think that's he case though, I think they strategically broke that symbolism when they had A Man eating (what I assume was) The Tickler's fruit while he was perched up on the wall.

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Nitpick: Greyjoys could never invade the way they did. They're pirates who live on rocks and ships. Winterfell is in the middle of a damn continent, LOL at pirates even knowing horses well enough to get the job done in the time scale they did

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I think you're wrong. What timescale are we using? From the show itself we know that a slow moving caravan of mostly young boys and a prison cart had expectations to do a 30mi march in one day. Unless we know fairly precise distances and a pretty accurate timeline, I don't think we can really say that this is unrealistic. I know TWD is off air, and you have excess nittery building up in your brain, but I think you're reaching here.

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A Man is easily my favorite character right now. I hope Arya doesn't tell him to kill Littlefinger though. It would be pretty shitty writing if LF needed to die for essentially the same reason the illiterate dude did, and I think her final kill should be saved for quite some time.

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Ya, A Man is a great character. I loved their scene, but I did think the A Man doppelganger was borderline cartoonish, but I'm fine with it. I don't think Arya kills LF, I'd actually assume that he is already gone from Harrenhal. I was super happy with the urgency twist that forced her to kill someone who was A) not on her list and B) not really guilty of much besides being stupid, a little mean, and in the wrong place at the wrong time. Killing the people on her list can be morally justified-- with this guy it becomes a little bit of a grey area. But even if you don't agree with that, it's still fantastic story telling to have a wrench thrown in the gears like that.

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Part of me has Robb screwing the pooch big time by falling in love with that chick. Like he ends up losing the right alliance, then a specific battle, then becomes Lannister's prisoner or something

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I think this could be interesting, but I don't see it happening. I think by the end of the season...

1) Tywin is dead
2) Lannisters are fucked, they lose KL
3) Tyrion has the wildfire made for and transported up to the wall before everything goes to complete shit for him and his in Kings Landing. Possibly Tyrion goes to the wall himself in exile.

The only real problem with this is how Tyrion and Jamie are handled. Less so Jamie, but still, losing both those characters would be a huge loss to the show.

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I want the Nightswatch to get fucked. Not that I don't like them, but I just can't respect anything that takes a vow of celibacy. So I hope that Snow falls in love and perhaps betrays the order. My hope is that he gets captured by the wildlings, and finds that things are different than he was taught and Benjen is still alive and had "defected". There needs to be some really deep and important mystery in the whole north of the wall stuff, and I want Snow to undergo some shifts in his belief system

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Ya, a twist on how we have been taught to think of the wildlings would be interesting. More than likely though I have a feeling that Snow and the girl will encounter White Walkers, and be forced to fight together to survive. Either way, there has to be some way that the girl stops being such a liability to Snow's life, because she doesn't seem to be a throw away character.

*edit: supporting the Tywin dying predictions, he is an awesome character who can't die without us getting to know him. Well, here we are, hearing him talk about his childhood and his relationship with his father... he may as well be munching on a nice juicy apple.

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1) what kind of fruit was he eating? Apples store very well. They are routinely available at farmers markets in Chicago well into the winter. 2) Ya, on one hand I like the symbolism, but on the other if it becomes that easy to predict who will die, it would be pretty lame. I don't think that's he case though, I think they strategically broke that symbolism when they had A Man eating (what I assume was) The Tickler's fruit while he was perched up on the wall.

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I think you're wrong. What timescale are we using? From the show itself we know that a slow moving caravan of mostly young boys and a prison cart had expectations to do a 30mi march in one day. Unless we know fairly precise distances and a pretty accurate timeline, I don't think we can really say that this is unrealistic. I know TWD is off air, and you have excess nittery building up in your brain, but I think you're reaching here.

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LOL. Why won't Rickon just stay inside the house?!

On a more serious note, nothing about the Greyjoy story makes a whole lot of sense. I think it's a great idea, but the logistics of pirates who live by the iron price being big enough and skilled enough to be a reasonable threat to the Starks is just lol. At best, the Greyjoys would be unruly bandits that are just hard to catch, but when caught, the actual army would wipe the floor with them. I guess you *might* be able to say that they're able to support a large population on the Iron Islands due to immense fisheries, but they simply don't have the tools to engage an inland campaign. They don't even have their own horses. Even if you assume that they all somehow spend lots of time off the Iron Islands handling horses (because they most certainly can't support them on the islands), they simply can't be that effective without their own stock. So they basically raided Tully's (Tommen's? Tories?) Square on foot, won, then stole the horses of those they raided, beat up a bunch of actual land warriors with better equipment, and made the trek up to Winterfell

The Greyjoys could not be as efficient in both travel and fighting on land as non-pirates. They just couldn't. Now, that doesn't mean that this part of the story couldn't happen, weirder stuff happens, but the whole idea pirates being more than bandits is something out of fantasy. But it is a fantasy, so I guess. Ultimately, this isn't what matters. What matters is how they tell the story, not that they stick rigidly to non-fiction standards

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I think this could be interesting, but I don't see it happening. I think by the end of the season...

1) Tywin is dead
2) Lannisters are fucked, they lose KL
3) Tyrion has the wildfire made for and transported up to the wall before everything goes to complete shit for him and his in Kings Landing. Possibly Tyrion goes to the wall himself in exile.

The only real problem with this is how Tyrion and Jamie are handled. Less so Jamie, but still, losing both those characters would be a huge loss to the show.

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I could see that happening, but for some reason, no other party feels like the "rulers" more than the Lannisters. It would be a pretty huge shift in the story to take them out. There appears to be four main stories from the very beginning; Stark, Lannister, Dany and her dragons, and Winter is Coming/The Wall

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Ya, a twist on how we have been taught to think of the wildlings would be interesting. More than likely though I have a feeling that Snow and the girl will encounter White Walkers, and be forced to fight together to survive. Either way, there has to be some way that the girl stops being such a liability to Snow's life, because she doesn't seem to be a throw away character.

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I want to see some crazy stuff north of the wall. If you think my nitting on the Greyjoys is bad, my nitting on wildlings/Mance Rayder forces would be waaaaaaaaaay worse. They're basically living in eskimo territory, yet there's over a hundred thousand gathered in army? lolwut?

I feel like there needs to be some serious mysticism in the north. Things like them coming across enormous oasis-like caves with tons of hot springs and growing vegetation. I doubt they're gonna do that, and the story is *cooler* without that, but it's not realistic at all. But if they did, they could then go deeper into some serious lore of why the north is so damn important, why Walkers exist, perhaps those old "crueler" gods are really the only true gods...

Besides, I think I'm on team Mansraedar (much cooler name than that dumb Mance Rayder George Lucas ejaculate) simply because I love that wildling ginger. Is it a personal problem that I like aggressive, manipulative chicks?

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*edit: supporting the Tywin dying predictions, he is an awesome character who can't die without us getting to know him. Well, here we are, hearing him talk about his childhood and his relationship with his father... he may as well be munching on a nice juicy apple.

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Um, seems pretty clear that the greyjoys have an advantage in the north right now due to the Stark host being in the southern lands. Additionally, the remaining defensive force in Winterfell was sent to to retake Torrhen's Square, leaving a skeleton crew of only a few guys which was easily taken by Theon's attack.

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Um, seems pretty clear that the greyjoys have an advantage in the north right now due to the Stark host being in the southern lands. Additionally, the remaining defensive force in Winterfell was sent to to retake Torrhen's Square, leaving a skeleton crew of only a few guys which was easily taken by Theon's attack.

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Yes it is clear, but it couldn't be anything other than raiding. The Greyjoy story has been portrayed as campaign to conquer and rule the north, that's what I don't like. If it was portrayed as raiding then returning to their pirate island, that would actually be fantastic

But they shouldn't have the slightest shot in hell in actually conquering the north. They don't have the numbers, the farmland, the tools, or the connections. Maybe it was portrayed differently in the book, but if Balon thinks he's gonna sit at the head of Winterfell, he's got another thing coming. Even if the Stark forces were completely wiped out, the Lannisters would just stroll on up there and lay a strong pimp hand

A raiding aspect of the Greyjoy campaign is fantastic though. Like if their plan is to blitz through, rape and pillage, then scurry on back to their island stronghold before the Starks can counter, then that's pretty smart.

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Laughed good at Arya and A Man. That was just great

Dragon plotline is going best as it could. I only hope that the House of the Undying isn't just imposters, but have some legit powers. They won't be able to keep the dragons for long, though, because they're probably just imposters. The rich black dude chaperoning Dany around to get ships didn't make much sense. She may have to marry him now, in order to get the dragons back. I feel like he wouldn't coerce her into that sorta deal, he wants her to make that decision on her own

Theon dies before the season is done. His character seems almost in death throes. They've been all over the place with him, and have had trouble actually showing who he is/his motivations IMO. Or maybe I didn't see that he had such a villainous betrayal in him because he was just a douche, and a lot of people act in the douchey ways he did, so it just slipped my mind, perhaps.

I think Jon Snow's captive is fucking awesome. My type of girl. Part of me wants to see an actual love story develop. Not because it would help the GoT story, but that I always wanna see that shit because I'm the sappiest sap in all sapland

I'm now hoping that instead of Sansa poisoning The Joff, Hound bludgeons him to death to save Sansa from his wrath. That won't happen though because The Joff is getting put in his place quite neatly now. Sad, really; I was hoping for him to play supreme villain. Since last season, it was pretty clear Hound cares for Sansa

Tywin is GOAT

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Wait so is Amory Lorch the name of the dude A Man killed? Is that not the same dude who killed Syrio Forel?

I will say boost you were right about Tyrion and The Joff. I didn't expect teh pImp to push his shit in the way he has. I figured Teh Joff for a much more aggressive loose cannon than that

Lorch killed Yoren.

The guy who killed Forel is a member of the Kingsguard, I believe the same guy who was ordered to slap around Sansa by Joffrey.

But Lorch is the dude Arya had A Man kill?

If so, that fits a particular line. Was not Lorch somebody Arya wanted to get revenge on in the first place i.e. somebody she was whispering in her sleep?

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But Lorch is the dude Arya had A Man kill?

If so, that fits a particular line. Was not Lorch somebody Arya wanted to get revenge on in the first place i.e. somebody she was whispering in her sleep?

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Yes, Lorch was killed by A Man. I watched it and I'm not exactly sure how that was accomplished. Lorch was the guy who fucked up on sending one of Tywin's messages because he can't read.

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(A Man's name is Jaqen, btw.)

I'm not sure on the names Arya recited in her prayers, for sure it was Cersei, Joffrey, the Hound, and some others. It would make sense for Arya to want to kill Lorch but she had quite a list going.

lol i totally know he's jaqen. A Man is so much cooler. His dialogue is some of the best there is

A man has a name!

A Girl cannot tell A Man how exactly he must name a thing

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I see what you did there :cut:

Also, its a sexism joke!

Im slow, bite me.

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lol i totally know he's jaqen. A Man is so much cooler. His dialogue is some of the best there is

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I agree it's cooler, I sorta didn't want you to stop calling him A Man.

A man is seen eating a piece of fruit when he kills the tickler. Or at least, I think he is. Looked like an apple to me

Here's how I'm hoping they play Snow's story:

Jon and Ygrette come across a Walker ritual like from the first episode, it's made up of Jon's dead companions. They run and hide, then after they find their spot, Ygrette convinces Jon to finally make that fire (because that's the only way to survive a Walker attack). Shortly after, the Walkers attack them, but they're kept at bay, and suddenly Ghost shows up and kills one. Ygrette is then shown there's something special about Jon, and Jon is forced to follow her to the wildlings encampment because if he did not, he would die since he's all alone


Also the Littlefinger/Tyrell story:

LF brokers an alliance with the Tyrells by way of marrying Margaery with Jaime. Obviously, this happens after Lannisters and Starks come to peace, and exchange their captives. This could happen, logistically. Another thought is Margaery marrying Tywin, but I'm not sure they'd do that. Overall, I like a sneaky play between Margaery and LF marrying down the line because it's another added dynamic and it's niftier than just repeating the tired "she married a Baratheon for an alliance, but he's dead, so now she marries a Lannister..."

Come to think of it, marrying Tyrion and Margaery would be pretty neat. Could happen. I just hope to GOD that they don't marry Margaery and Teh Joff. I feel like Teh Joff is on the way out. Tyrion said a few eps ago, "Joff can't be helped, it's everybody else I'm worried about", then in the last ep he directed them to get Joff's younger brother, the prince, back to safety when he realized some shit was gonna go down in the streets. Personally, I think Teh Joff as king is pretty dumb if he doesn't do lots of stupid ass crazy shit. I just don't see how him being king changes without the Lannisters losing altogether

I don't know if this has been revealed or not. I think it's been mentioned, if not it should be obvious if you think about it:

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at this point, some of us book readers are as in the dark about stuff going on as you

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the Kingsguard are celibate, like the Night's Watch

Lord Renly was a fruit and Lord Stark and King Baratheon ate fruit in season 1 and they all died.

QED on the fruit thing.

When did Ned eat fruit? I don't remember Robert eating any either, but I don't doubt it...

lol rilla, wp.

Fek that last ep was painful to watch all the Theon stuff. He's a pampered brat and now he's trying to play the hardass to impress his daddy's people who will never accept his soft tits, and watching him poorly commit to his betrayal makes me cringe. The actor playing him deserves props tho.

Man that greasy tomboy he nailed went from a 2/10 to a 7/10 when she disrobed, eh?. butterface but slammin' body amirite? I hope she kills Theon, that'd be cool but it probably won't go down like that.

ya looks like theon fucked up royally, as bran rickon osho and hodor escaped. looking forward to how he takes his dad and sister's disappointment

"You let...a crippled child...escape..."

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When did Ned eat fruit? I don't remember Robert eating any either, but I don't doubt it...

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From their journey south back to King's Landing.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qjz9Wwx6vzc/0.jpg

boom... it seems like this fruit thing has legs...

Shae ate fruit as well in her first scene as Sansa's handmaiden.

i may stop watching the show in protest if everybody who eats fruit dies. that is just some of the worst writing possible

meh... it doesn't mean they will die in the next ep... we can assume that most people on screen will die, cuz this show has balls like that.

aren't you still watching walking dead? bluff...called...

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aren't you still watching walking dead? bluff...called...

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excellent call. you win

A Man's infiltration of the Lannisters has me intrigued. At first, before we realized he was a super ninja, I just figured that he joined up. But now... now I feel like he managed to subdue a soldier during the chaos following Yoren's death, and then don his garb, Agent 47 style. This is so much cooler than what I first thought. I really hope he doesn't just vanish from the show after wish three is granted. If he does leave the story, I hope he has a bad ass exit, like a quick scene showing him 'subdue' and assume the identity of another person. He's one of the few strong characters that could be written off the show in a way where he doesn't die.

I think A Man is becoming one of my favorite characters of all time. He's like the perfect cross between handsome and rugged, serious and playful, badass and thoughtful, loyal and unpredictable

It could also be that he looks like Brad Pitt. I used to fucking hate Brad Pitt because all the chicks love him (so all that haterade in my veins began flowing), but after I watched some of his better roles, he turned out to be a legit as fuck actor