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We knew it was Rilla who started this. If you remember, I blamed him for this wolf failure. That doesn't change anything. We had Rascal and Wuf independently deciding to trust Rilla. They needed to trust that a) he was villager and b) he knew what he was doing. Also, Wuf was involved. There's a >80% chance he fucks the whole thing up as a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ong, if Gabe is a wolf here, who is he partnered with from my POV? BID? You and Aubrey?
You want percentages?
51-49 in favour of boog/hoopy/gabe/keith vs wuf/rascal/rilla/gator
That's two potential pairs. Or you might be concerned that there's only one wolf pair in the other group. You're not even thinking about this, you are fixated on wuf and co.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Well, actually I'm never a wolf here with gabe because I'm really puishing for gabe here.
But monkey/drew could be.
Oh God, this is like the time where I fucked with you with some bullshit story about how I wasn't a wolf. How do you not see this shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
However, you're right. I should weigh different possibilities. Wuf/Rascal are always wolves from what I can see. Rilla/Gator, maybe wolf 98% of the time. Aubrey and yourself get the other 2% (this is a compliment as you'd cum all over yourself at the thought of a crazy play like this).
Also, that means I'm locking on Rilla tomorrow.
Drp, Rascal.
Ok so I'm proposing we lynch gabe because it eiliminates two viable teams...
gabe/keith/hoopy/boog, and
gabe/keith/monkey/drew
gabe's job can be to find a better lynch that eliminates more viable wolf teams.
A gabe lynch, fine. Mind if we wait to hear from BID/Monkey prior?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
drew sure, I'm not holding my breath for monkey though.
The 4 wolves are the only ones who can muck around with their pairings and not get immediately outed by a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
wuf/rascal/rill/Gator are the 4 players with confusion about their pairings. Shocking.
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Originally Posted by lilrascal
Agreed when you put these two together.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by BooG690
Can't you see that I was the only one who could correct the pairings? It was me that rilla claimed as his partner and therefore I was the only one who could say I wasn't his partner. Anything else looks like a staged gambit.
wuf could've called bullshit.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
LOL
Why can't gator see that wuf would be in a position to know rilla was full of shit?
Did the might gator wolf just slip?
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Originally Posted by BooG690
gator is quite clear here that he fails to realise that as villager pair with wuf, that wuf would also know that rilla isn't gator's buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
I would immediately know aubrey can't be rilla's buddy if that's who he picked, I wouldn't need to think about it.
Yeah ok we got them.
lynch gator
Boog, if you really are a villager you are screwing things up royaly by your play here. Ong keeps trying to get you to open up, but all you can do is defend another pairing. I don't see a world where a villager does that today. If we don't win today then absolutely all of this needs to be discussed tomorrow, but not today.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
wuf did know that rilla was full of shit. It is in all of his posts after rilla claimed me as his partner. What are you trying to say here?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It wouldn't have been as impactful and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Then why are you telling boog only you could've known?Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
Reply to #718, that's the meat of it.
You are making this way too hard on yourself Ong. It scares me how you can figure this out and then retreat at the slightest comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
If you lynch me and see that wuf and I are villagers what is your play tomorrow? Is it still Gabe? What if Boog/Hoopy/Aubrey/BID are the wolves?
Gabe is the best lynch today by a mile.
This isn't my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
Let me summarise what just happened...
boog asks wuf why he didn't call rilla out earlier.
You tell boog only you could've known.
I point out that's not true.
You agree that wuf knew as made it clear.
Do you see where you're grossly inconsistent here? Or am I too stoned to get the correct context?
I am not telling him that only I could have known I am saying it had to be me to say I wasn't rilla's partner because that gets the most impact out of what Rilla did.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Yes, wuf, or even rascal, could have outed the play by rilla but that didn't make sense to do. It made sense to let it sit until I got in and made the counter claim myself.
Yes you are. My context is not "couldn't" it is "shouldn't".Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I am misreading the context. You're not saying wuf didn't know, just that wuf shouldn't be the one to clarify.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
rescind
I love my moments of paranoia. While arguing with gator there, I thought "he sounds like a villager but FUCK YOU I GOT YOU".
Don't worry. You still get my vote for mvp. While Rilla's move was brilliant he/we needed someone outside of us four to realize that only a villager would make that play and you figured that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't think "only" a villager would make that play. If you're wolves, then this is a forced moved. You have to come up with something. But the idea that this team would make this mistake does strike me as unlikely.
I like wuf's interactions with me while this was going on, in retrospect. His tone was relaxed and somewhat smug. He knew something I didn't. If this was a desperate wolf plan, I think he'd have been more nervous.
You've nailed it on all points. Nothing in wuf/rascal or me looks like a panic group trying to right a mistake that would have been a HUGE mistake (not pairing up at the beginning of the game).Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
what a crazy day. stuff like this is why i love werewolf
rascal/wuf/gator/rilla have to do this routine when they get caught fucking up. it's the only viable excuse once they get put into a corner. i think the reasons we had for them fucking up are more likely then this weird cross partner claim.
i know i'm a villager so i dont see who else it could be.. boog/hoopy/smf/bid ? also if we incorrectly kill one of that foursome, we gain 2 confirmed villagers. i'm not sure killing me locks up the game because you could hope the wolves are the crazy-claim 4some, but its not a lock because their explanation easily could be real (and thus wolves are boog/hoopy + one of the softcleared pairs)
check out this wolf post:
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
It's funny.
The GOAT wolf Gator has to roll in and save his buddies hides. I doubt he thought up this plan.
drew get your ass in here, stop pretending to have a life.
the entire explanation for things looks like a panicked group. you 4 were dead no matter what, then came out with the only possible explanation. "uhhh we said the wrong pairs! these are the actual pairs! trust us, we were really smart to do this"Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
theres just not enough universes where you are villagers doing all that. in all the universes where you are wolves, this is the reasons you have to come up with to give yourself outs
boog's early pressure on gabe can totally be "they'll expect us to hard defend each other, gabe isn't getting lynched, we can work together later to make sure of that, this muddies the water when people try to figure out who's protecting who".
Is me wanting to be alive when the village wins the best thing you can come up with Gabe? Come on, you are better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I read through the entire thread again.
This 'trap' that rilla set is non existent. It serves no purpose.
The wolves messed up and are scrambling to recover.
Looks like the village is divided.
wuf, rascal, rilla, Gator, Ong
vs
me, BooG, gabe, keith, BID
Looks like SMF and aubrey will have the final decision.
I don't have a life. I just have very little to contribute that hasn't already been said.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't believe that the 'cross claiming' was an elaborate, pre-planned, hopeful idea (hopeful in that it requires so many moving pieces to come together). I think it's more likely that the wolves made mistakes.
no thats not nearly the best thing. i just put it there because when i originally saw that post it screamed wolf. sorry jerryQuote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
the actual best thing i have is that you guys want us to believe in a convoluted village scheme that relies on one villager making a perfect soulread, and risking the entire game on it. it's 100x more likely this is wolves panicking. the fact that you say you arent panicked makes me think you are exactly that
right. and if rilla is a villager, if he made the wrong read, the village would lose. i dont see any one here making this type of play as villagersQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Can we get another count please JKDS?
If gator said this to anyone on D1, they might be suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
Say it to ong though... It might be good enough to pocket the guy.
"Oh come on. The four of us are really smart!"
GTFOH
Gabe, in what world do you think me, wuf, rascal and rilla as wolves neglect that we need to "pair up" as the first order of business? That never happens so when you get past that the next thing to consider is that Rilla would have to be making a very weird play at a very weird spot for the wolves. That doesn't make sense either.
if you really are a villager then help us understand why you can't be a wolf.
Pocket me for a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If we mislynch from gabe/keith/boog/hoopy today, then I can't see in what world we don't lynch from that four tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
It's not that Drew, it's just that we aren't THAT stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Not sure why Gabe's quote was in the above.
That four refers to wuf/rascal/rilla/gatorQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That's not very clear.
I'm stoned.
So what you're saying is - don't lynch any of the cross-claiming foursome and we have this in the bag. Is that right?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Wtf stoner lol
As a fellow WW player, I'm hopeful that you guys just fucked up beyond all recognition. This will make me very happy, in a sick sort of way.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
Also, the idea of four wolves fucking up this badly AND winning - scares the fuck out of me. I'd feel very stupid for actually believing that.
They won't win. If that's who the wolves are, all they have done is bought themselves a day in the hope a sloppy vote can be seized upon. But I can't see how anyone else gets lynched if we fail today. It must be them if it's not gabe and co.
I mean it could be you guys. But monkey crumbed early, which, if wolf, would show the wolves did have the sense to pair up immediately (or were mod assigned as pairs in the first place). That crumb looked bad at first but better in retrospect. But you're unlikely to be wolves with boog/hoopy after defending gabe against boog. I mean you still could be, but this would be a messy start for the wolves. And you're pushing at the foursome of wuf, I can't see how you're wolves with any of that lot either. You'd surely leave room for backtracking over the gambit. And I know you're not wolves with me and aubrey. So I'm happy you can only be wolves with gabe/keith, which would be unfortunate for you.
This looks really clear cut to me. We lynch from one group today, and the other group tomorrow.
And we lynch gabe or keith to ensure you can't sneak a win.
The only thing that is left is for others to decide if there's any chance of me/aubrey being wolves with any pairs out there. Obviously not from our pov.
maybe you paired up then rascal/wuf messed it up later? i dont know but the more i think about it, i realize story youre selling would never happen. a village would have to be 100% confident that the other pair were villagers to make it work. and its a spot they can never be 100% confident.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
remember all the villaging gator did last game when he got dropped into a 2000+ post game? where was that this game? him and rilla were just laying in the cut until wuf/rascal had their issues
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
If I don't village hard that game i get lynched and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
after this game, you're going to think that you banked on the wolves doing something much dumber than is reasonable to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
all the evidence you need is already here. the thread behavior of pairings shows gator/wuf and rascal/rilla. if it is true that the four of us are wolves, it means that rilla posted a different partner than we had prepped for from the beginning.
as for the idea that a team of four of us seasoned vets playing so absent-mindedly that we would make a mistake substantially worse than anything ftr has seen a wolf team do, i don't really know what to say.
as for the idea that you don't want to "lose to wolves who played this badly", don't worry, you can't lose to that because it doesn't happen in the first place. this hypothetical team never fucks up the pairings. we'd need a team of like kami, bigred, and two nubs who have never played to fuck up the pairings like this.
um because i was pretending that i wasn't paired with gator. if i wanted to join rilla on his ruse, it meant that my role was to not give the ruse away since i was the key to selling the ruse in the first place. i was happy keeping it going, because the whole point was to see how everybody would react. i figured the natural ending point was gator showing up since my lynching would kill him instead of rascal, so he would get to decide whether or not to let the lynch go through or to reveal the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
if gator showed up and continued the ruse (i dont know why he would, but if he did), i was ready to take it to the grave. that would probably be a bad decision, but it's just my personal preference. gator doesn't seem to be prone to looking for ways to fall on his sword.
wuf if you allowed us to lynch you as villager thinking it was you/rascal wolf pair based on your interactions, I would've put my fist through the fucking monitor.
btw hoopy is playing the wolfiest game he ever has.
think about this: on the merits of how people have played, those among gator rascal rilla wuf have played solidly villager while those among gabe boog keith hoopy have played heavily wolf.
gbkh is wolf and makes sense as to why. it would mean that people who played like they're wolves were actually wolves.
rrgw as wolf is way too good to be true. it would mean that people who didn't play like wolves ended up being wolves because of not avoiding the easiest to avoid mistake.
yeah i get to be selfish here since i knew that gator would come in and see the disaster then dispel the myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
i most likely wouldn't have let it go through, but i certainly would have let it go longer. rascal or rilla would have said something too
sometimes it's hard to avoid the lolz, even if it's absurd.
trying to defend the rascal pairing brought me barrels of laughter
Well I'm going out now for the evening, my vote will stay on wuf.
Here's hoping this thing is over in a few hours.
It's all good. I mean it pretty much clears me of being wolves with any of the parties involved, because I'd have known. If my reaction to that isn't the most honest reaction in the fucking world, then fuck me. I mean I can be a wolf who is seizing on two derp villagers, of course, but never in a million years am I a wolf with rilla, gator, rascal or wuf, because otherwise I'd have figured something was up.
Of course, I wasn't the intended target of the reaction test, but there's a demonstration of how it can be pro-village.
This is definitely the critical difference in my choice of lynch for today.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Wuf (5): SMF, Keith, Boog, BID, Hoopy
Boog (1): Aubrey
Gabe (4): Wuf, Rascal, Rilla, Gator
Rascal (1): Gabe
pretty sure this is where we're at
btw, is it funny that those who think there is a wolf among rrgw should actually be lynching rilla instead of me since it was rilla who claimed the wrong partner, meaning that if we're ever w/w and v/v, the w/w is more likely rilla/rascal than gator/wuf?
this is up to ong bid aubrey and smf
also the lynch today is a little more important than it seems, regardless of how much i like the idea of being lynched first so that i can dead thread lolz. what i mean is that the wolves actually have outs if gator and i die because they can still point the finger at rilla and rascal, which would be enticing to some of the villagers who really do not want to feel like they're getting tricked. for the village to win in that situation would require virtual total unity in killing one of gbkh among bid, smf, ong, and aubrey.
its impossible for you 4 to be wwvv. its crazy that you are even trying to push this idea in our headsQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
rescind and lynch wuf
lynch gabe
theres only one possible wolf team. if hoopy/boog were wolves theres no one left for them to be with unless its smf/bid which seems hard
what do you disagree with? in like 25 min ill be in thread for rest of the dayQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
what a game to be missing baud. he's like the perfect player to have at this time
wuf just made another blatantly contrived post
"what i mean is that the wolves actually have outs if gator and i die because they can still point the finger at rilla and rascal, which would be enticing to some of the villagers who really do not want to feel like they're getting tricked."
does any non wolf actually think this? the village knows the 4some is never wwvv
It's pretty much a coin flip, and we have two lynches to get it right. If you're a villager, then you know we're lynching wolves tomorrow, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
*i* don't even know that rilla and rascal aren't wolves. ofc i dont think they are because if i gave it any decent amount of likelyhood i wouldn't have played along with rilla's gator claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
it's funny that you say that villagers don't think it's possible for ww/vv among us. ong clearly has his villager cap on since he's entertaining all reasonable possibilities. but gbkh? it's all just narrow-minded focus on one set of things that keeps gbkh alive.
forum being slow. no likey
Gabe, if you lynch wuf today and find out he and I are villagers who are you lynching tomorrow and why?
i am sure its not a coinflip. we can likely win now instead of me dying and the village risking you guys botching thisQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
not to mention i've been going hard all game long yet lurkergator asks you to spare him and he gets it
dont try to buddy with ong in this way. you guys being ww/vv is NOT a reasonable possibility. think about it. anyone reading this should think about this independently and youll realize wuf is full of hot airQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
the 4some story is so much more likely to be wolves in circles than elaborate genius. combine this with the posting habits of all of them and its practically air tight wolf case
i've been trying to piece together the village solution all game. i stand by all my posts and thoughts, which is something the 4some cant say
No you're right, it's not a coinflip. I'm leaning in your direction because between the four of you, you're wolfier. I can see the village motivation in what rilla did, and it's consistent with wuf's posturing while I went into meltdown tearing apart wuf and rascal's posts. Granted, if they're wolves then gator has basically given them hope of surviving the day, which would be worth a pat on the back, but they still won't win.
But this is also besides the point, because they're not the wolves. At least I don't think so. My mind is made up gabe, you'd do better to focus your attention on my partner. Her vote is yet to be made.
the two possible (and unlikely) teams are boog/hoopy/smf/bid or smf/bid/ong/aubrey. the first one is much more likely but i think both are pretty remote. this 4some claim craziness is just too fancy to make senseQuote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
regardless how bad you read me, you should realize their story is the ultimate wolf construction. i cant be a wolf and do all these posts. reread the threadQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
id offer you a cheeba chew to do a genuine reread but i think baudib told me thats against the spirit of the game
All this talk of cheeba has reminded me of a great tune I nearly forgot existed.
I think the wolves are gabe, boog, keith, and hoopy.
This is certainly what it looks like to me. I sense a great deal more enthusiasm from your lot, and a great deal more desperation from the gabe camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I mean if you lot are the wolves, you know you lose tomorrow. It's already a lost cause. It doesn't feel like you, rascal and wuf are chasing a lost cause.
It does with gabe.
It's amazing that every "villager" of Gator, Rascal and Wuf were on the same page with Rilla's play. As a villager, I would've been confused as fuck.
I would've been confused. But I'd have gone along with it in the short term, because my initial thought would be too crazy for a wolf.
Good Morning
VOTE COUNT
Wuf (6): SMF, Keith, Boog, BID, Hoopy, Gabe
Gabe (5): Wuf, Rascal, Gator, Rilla , Ong
Boog (1): Aubrey
There is 26min left in the day, ends on the hour! (00 good, 01 bad)
Catch you cats on the flipside.
26 mins left? Well I guess wuf is gonna go, because the wolves aren't shifting, and monkey/aubrey aren't here.
Sorry, my man.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
I blame BID, personally.
drew be a hero
ong says so much wrong stuff its hard to argue with all of it. its exhausting
if smf/bid were wolves that would be pretty tilting. SMF gets cleared in a dumb way then hangs out in the den the rest of the game possibly
So much love. So little BiD to go around.
In 18 minutes we'll find out if I'm wrong.
incoming village flip imo.
drew you could literally clear yourself by changing your vote.
No way would you vote for gabe if he's a wolf, and no way would you be parked on wuf if he's a wolf.
Change your vote and keep it there, and we're always winning tomorrow.
If you're a villager, of course.
So if I switch to gabe and he flips villager, I could possibly clear myself?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'd rather try to win right now.