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If Gabe flips V then have at me, I'm owning it.
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Are all of you incapable of reading? I'm not blaming anyone.
If Gabe flips V then have at me, I'm owning it.
so am I not participating or am I a top poster, what exactly is the complaint? your whole WW existence has been lackluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
you actually know nothing of the sort, MMM, when have we ever been villagers together???????
Now, this is the Baud I'm familiar with.
Still not sure if you're wolf or villa though.
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Originally Posted by baudib
you will be haved at
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Originally Posted by gabe
TWSS
Son, what does TWSS mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
tbh im probably wrong about him. i learned a long ass time ago that d1 reads are worth shit. i do think i noticed several weird things he did with regard to me (changing his opinion without changing his vote, hating a policy that is super pro-v), but i also think it could be his naive optimism about ww that gets him to think that d1 is a day for mega productivity. granted, about a third of the games he has played in resulted in a wolf being lynched d1, so he could have gotten the wrong impression. it should be noted that both of those d1 dead wolves did not come as a result of villager logic, but as a result of coincidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
Did I miss a memo that said, whatever MMM says, just mischaracterize it and throw it back at him as though he said something else?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Your early game claim of low activity is not evidenced by your actual activity.
An early game claim of low activity is easily a low-level wolf hedge. Especially when it looks like it was a ruse.
That's what doesn't add up, which I said in the first place.
You might have me there... let me rephrase.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I have respect for you in WW, and so far, what you've done hasn't seemed all that beneficial to cornering W's. I'm used to you having a lot of banter, but I also expect a fair dose of hunting.
http://i.imgur.com/OtQde7V.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I agree with you for the most part on D1 reads. Where I disagree is people's reaction to pressure. Villas tend to react differently than wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
As far as changing opinion without changing a vote. That's not role indicative unless it's near EOD imo.
So basically MMM and a whole bunch of people expect certain things from me when they really have nothing to base any expectations on. that's good to know.
I'm guessing that Boog is a villager but we may get bailed out if Monstr flips wolf, which I think he will a decent amount of time. I don't think Monstr's posting has been wolfy, but his low activity and no-show near EOD is somewhat wolfy for him.
That never happened, and it has been explained in-thread multiple times.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I changed my opinion on whether I agreed with what you were saying about a mechanics issue. I didn't change my opinion about whether your focus was wolfy. The fact that you're still on about misrepresenting that conversation worries me.
The ONLY reason my vote has moved off of you is because I think your ranting yesterday was motivated by fear, which I interpret as a villagery response to leading in votes.
I can't wait until rilla tells us he thinks baudib is a wolf.
You have a good point on monstr. It is odd that he's not around for EOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
rilla-baud chat is not exactly warm and fuzzy
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
So, what is your read on rilla?
Careful, baud. Don't say anything about private chat that could be denied by your partner.
I don't think Rilla is good enough a wolf to be this active and engaged. Or rather, he doesn't like wolfing enough to put forth this much effort this early.
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Originally Posted by baudib
I'm waiting for rilla to say it was warm and fuzzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Commuting back home. Writing on the phone. Hard to catch up on everything though it looks like my bandwagon is based on nothing. Gabe is obvious manipulating wolf. He needs to go tomorrow. Rilla afterwards.
interesting that monstr has his vote on a wagon that isn't going anywhere while his partner is on the block...Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
looks like we're not lynching wuf. That's shit. If it comes down to gabe vs boog i feel like i should get my vote to count for something. Or everyone should just come lynch wuf with me. Time for a read-through, how much time do we have left?
I know how much you guys love a tryhard.
This is current through post #722
http://i.imgur.com/HGHm6yq.png
It's a little hard to read w/ 16 players, but it shows the VC patterns for vote leaders a bit.
~ 1 hourQuote:
Originally Posted by daven
Sorry, BooG. Wish it was different.
I was about to ask for a vote count when I saw you post this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I still need a vote count. I'm not sure how to read this.
Based on the chart, I think the current wagons are Boog with 6 votes and Gabe with 4.
If I'm reading that right.
Pretty chart.
I'm lurking instead of sleeping.
andQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
um, this stands out a lot to me on quick skim. Please explain how a rong wagon isn't the same as a gabe wagon. I'd be keen for people to vote with "lynch x & y" when partnerships are outed cos that's effectively what we're doing for those players.. basically the day has come down to wuf/hoopy vs gabe/rong vs boog/monstrQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
to me the wuf/hoopy combo is most likely to eliminate a wolf. Rong was pretty inactive last game, but monstr has been inactive this game; i'm still not sold on either of gabe/boog being a wolf. I think i'm going to vote based on which of rong/monstr would be the better lynch if i can't get a gabe/boog preference
you can see how this is inconsistent with your player pool reads right?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I don't think the two wagons are v/v and v/v, otherwise you'd think the wolves would prefer to have gabe/dan in the lead.
cmon someone grow a pair of bollocks and switch. The reason boog/monstr are leading the votes ahead of gabe/rong is because there's a wolf between gabe/rong.
i'm trying to figure out what i should infer from this! does it mean that there is more likely a wolf in gabe/dan or more likely a wolf in boog/monstr?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
what is jumping out to me is that monstr is very unlikely wolf given that his vote is on a non-wagon when he and his partner are a leading wagon. Is that too level 0 though?
i am unconvinced that any of the leading wagons are wolves because they seemed to just spring out of nowhere. but mmm is on boog and he's my most likely wolf. it could be that he's trying to protect gabe.
i dont like some other players on the boog wagon, but i'm keeping who and why to myself for now
gabe has a wolfy villager style, but i dont think he ever wakes up all of a sudden when he's villager and getting lots of heat, which he has done this game
lynch gabe
@daven: I'm expressing how hard it is for me to make a choice given the pairings.
I have 1 read on one person and a different read on the other. It's a mind-brain fuck.
It's not inconsistent. I'm fucking confused. OK, it displays inconsistencies in the pairings, but not in individual reads... because that's where I'm
:wall:
I don't agree that we should vote for the pair, but we're forced into it, so I accept that if I want to vote rong in this spot, then I have to vote gabe. BUT THAT'S SHIT because I am forced to place my vote on someone who I think is a V.
With all the attention I'm getting, if I switch back to wuf it's all, "Ooooooo look at MMM being all crazy-like."
I think wuf's a slight-V, and I got zilch on Hoopy (usual for D1, and I've given up hope of asking).
So among all my group reads, it's wuf/hoopy as distracting V + unknown.
But then I am voting for a V with whom I've had it out to the point of convincing myself he's a V... :mad:
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simultaneous post. I'm going with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Rescind Wuf (but fuck it we're lynching him tomorrow)
Lynch Gabe (which is obviously equivalent to a lynch vote for Rong = when one of gabe/rong flips wolf we go after mmm tomorrow cos he seems to be claiming that he wants rong lynched and would vote rong if he was a viable wagon but.... dunno what the but is really...)
rascal - gabe
rilla - boog
hoopy - boog
luco - wuf
rong - boog
gabe - baud
boog - gabe
key - wuf
baud - gabe
ong - gabe
bid - boog
monstr - baud
daven - wuf
mmm- boog
wuf - gabe
gabe - 5
boog - 5 (leads)
wuf - 2
baud - 3
I have openly said I'm taking the risk of protecting gabe today.
YES
agree completely. Go with getting the wolfiest player lynched. In a normal game that's the aim, and in a normal game we lose a villager overnight anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
i'm in a spot where i'm pretty sure wuf is a wolf, and now his vote switch has me questioning my vote switch ffs. But i'm happy to lose rong cos of last game and an expectation that he'll be lower involvement when it matters. I'm meh neutral on gabe. boog, i dunno, not getting far on the readthrough (reading backwards, probably a mistake? seems a lot of people don't really think he's wolf though, or have weird rationale?), monstr - no idea. Swings at least in part on whether monstr would afk with a worthless vote when he's a close wagon to the lynch as a wolf? no idea. who has reads on him better than we do? they care to chime in? all those question marks - wasn't that gabe's wolf read or something, lol at that as a read worth lynching on cos otherwise we should be lynching me for this postQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
If they're all villagers, gabe/rong is fistpump mislynch. boog/monstr is always lynchable because boog. Yeah the wolves would make more effort to get gabe/rong lynched. Granted, I could be that effort, but I'm thinking wolves would have made more of an effort earlier on. This is late stuff.
If there's a wolf between boog/monstr, why aren't they here trying to save their asses? Why aren't the other wolves trying to secure a fistpump mislynch?
It's possible there's a wolf in both pairs, in which case boog/monstr is probably the better one to lose. But that's optimistic. I think there's a very good chance of a wolf in gabe/rong, and an average chance of a wolf between boog/monstr.
baudib, boog, wuf are my 3 targets
tomorrow the game is going to be a real puzzle. there will be a best answer on what to do based on killing different pairs. tomorrow together we will come up with the best strategy, and anyone who disputes it will be shown as non village. there will be no escaping for wolves, they will have to follow the solution, or die even faster. i hope to be around tomorrow
ya if we're not wolves then the wolves sure are voting for us !Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Why, if you're a villager, aren't you questioning my motive?
what do you think of rong? I haven't been able to see the boog read, and i find monstr's absence + the location of his vote to be more likely monstr = villa than wolf. I just wish there was time to get wuf lynched still, seems that ship has sailed though.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I agree with the flip tonight potentially providing us with enough info for at least a partial solution to be found tomorrow.
Tie breaker goes to boog... I can't believe I'm considering voting for gabe after I just posted that.
It's a vote for rong, not gabe, just to be clear. I think gabe is too strong to kill on D1... but so's a lot of people here.
I could be wrong about the anti-spew... but the 2pac?
Does a comfortable person or a distraught person post lyrics?
Comfortable
What's the vibe in those lyrics?
Can I trust my partner? Do I have the strength to kill myself for the win?
I struggle to see a wolf latching onto that... am I totally off?
no MMM, you are not off. it's completely right. just like IRL when people sing the lyrics so songs, those are the lyrics the person relates to. often time different people are selective of different lyrics of the same song. people dont sing lyrics of things that they dont also think about (in some way). i stacked a guy once using that read but thats a story for a different forum
I think daven's vote was unaccounted for in wuf's count... gabe is leading right now.
cmon mojo, tupac lyrics = villager points?
obviously we cant set the precedent "post song lyrics and be cleared" but it applies in this case
Is gabe actually going to get lynched on d1 in a game where noms don't happen? So sick.
I certainly like this lynch more. Neither boog nor monstr have been making much of an effort to save themselves... not what I'd say promising, in terms of hoping for a wolf lynch. But look who's mashing f5 and making casual chit chat comments... gabe's here! Gabe cares. Gabe's a wolf.
I'm pretty sure the votes are tied 6/6 with the tie going to boog
This is killing me.
lynch gabe
I hope it's the right move.
Every time I've bolded gabe I've had buyer's remorse.
Bring it JKDS
If this is a v/v flip, I have three very strong suspects, one of them being my partner. This could get lively.
are you my partner ong? ;) so few of us remain in our comfy closetsQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
youre wrong dudes
i just played the longest, sharpest wolf game of my life. i would not let some dumb wolf slip happen on day 1 post 1 like you guys are speculating.
I set the end of D1 o/u at 11:20pm est.
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by gabe
requoted since im about to die
hopefully rong is a wolf....
if gabe/rong nets us a wolf then this late voting flurry will help us clear some villagers.
where's jkds with the flip!?
I believe in you, gabe... it's rong I have doubts about.
If I was a wolf and I made a post like gabe did with #22, I'd probably say this. Almost like a "LMFAO I CAN'T BELIEVE I DID THAT HAHAHA".Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
my view = you and boog both low % wolves. Rong medium-high % wolf. Monstr low % wolf. My lynch vote was based on that. So i can't even claim to have read your soul when you flip wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
wuf is my number 1 wolf pick thus far this game, if you flip villager i'll feel even better about lynching him tomorrow.
I fucking love/hate/love this setup and I :h: JKDS for the mind-brain fucks so far.
whoever used these weak arguments to persuade others against me is probably a wolf
I'm having some doubts but Gabe didn't care this much when he got mislynched in the anon game. Think I'm staying
Has deadline passed? This could all be theatre from gabe, especially if deadline hasn't passed.
we shouldve killed baudib or wuf today btw
rilla whats wrong with my EW equation? it is appropriate from my perspective
based on EW, rilla/baudib were a good shot. and an even better shot if rilla might be pulling a big move here
I thought it was 12 minutes ago. :shrug:
Did Boog show up since is "I'm commuting" post?
I think if you switch some names, that's the "weak" argument against you.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
If it ends up Rilla - W and Gabe - V you guys can blame me in postgame
Based on this post, the day ended at 15 minutes ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Mod Corner
Sorry for being late. Thats like, one of my 3 biggest fears. Next to alligators and crocodiles.
The Last Post made before Deadline was Post 753.
Vote Count is being Tallied. Results soon to follow. Since there is no night phase, you may continue to talk.
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im dead. my role is Woodhouse
Mod Corner
Vote Count at Deadline
(7) Gabe : Ongobonga , Baudib, Boog, Lilrascal , Wufwugy, Daven, madmojomonkey
(5) Boog : BID, Gabe, Rong, Hoopy, Rilla
(2) Wufwugy : Keybored, Luco
(1) Baudib : Monstrman
Double Checking Vote Count Now.
Mod Corner
Gabe is lynched!!!
100 People surveyed, number 1 answer is on the board. Name the person who's a wolf.
Hrm, Gabe?
Survey Says!
*BLAMO*
Spoiler:
Archer: Oh shit, not woodhouse. Who's eyes am I gonna rub coarse sand in now?
Pam: Wait, so if Woodhouse died...then that means...
Reggy: Oh, you scoundrels.
*Mind-Brain Explosion*
Spoiler:
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110320202003
You mind blew Captain Reggie Thistleton
He'll never have another glass of water. Probably for the best, fish fuck in it.
Cheryl: *Gasp*.... Just like the gypsy woman said!!!
N1 guys. Way to go.
lynch b00g
The Living
a500lbgorilla
LilRascal
Keybored
Ongbonga
BID
Wufwugy
Luco
Boog
Hoppy
Baudib
Monstrman
Bigred
MMM
Daven
The Exploded
Randy Gillette (NPC)
Janelle Gillette (NPC)
Gabe, Lynched Day 1
Rong, Mindblown Day 1
Living Roles
10 ISIS
4 KGB
It is Now Day 2. End of Day will be in 72 hours and 35ish minutes (11pm MST)
I still don't think there's a wolf in boog/monstr. I'm not a wolf, and it was me who rallied to get a gabe lynch. Were the wolves sitting back waiting for someone else to do their dirty work? Seems risky if there's a wolf on the block. boog/monstr feels like v/v to me.
lynch daven
Well that blows. I could go Daven or Boog but I'll wait to decide. Monstr could be wolfing here too
That's unfortunate. Rong was one of my villager reads :/
I kinda thought boog and I were gonna die so I didn't really care. A lot of the thread seemed pretty convinced that he was a wolf so I figured my time here was done. I don't really feel a need to vote to survive here if you guys think he's wolfing.
Guess not.
For what it's worth, I haven't seen anything particularly wolfy from Boog myself, so /shrug.
There's almost definitely two or more wolves on the gabe wagon, afaict. The third/fourth wolves prolly on BID's wagon.
I almost want to say I feel like I'm wrong on baudib, but I feel like if I said that I'd have to say rilla was a wolf and to be honest I'm having a hard time seeing that to be the case. I guess I'm just partially stuck on that wording that you used when you first entered the thread.
I think I could see daven as a wolf maybe but this comes with the caveat that I haven't really paid attention to anything he's said (no offense, I just try to stick to reading a few players at a time)
I think ong calling me and boog likely v/v seems just delightfully nonconsensusy enough to be villagery
BID's wagon... being boog's wagon.
...what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
I guess you could be saying "he knows my partner is a wolf" but, yeeeesh
Oh okay well I'm glad we cleared that up lol meQuote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
meh I still want baudib deadded
lynch baudib
GG gabe and rong.
a500lbgorilla - Villager
Baudib - wolfy
LilRascal - not sure
Keybored - villager
Ongbonga - villager
BID - villager
Wufwugy - leaning villager
Hoppy - leaning wolf
Luco - cunt
Boog - leaning v
Monstrman - not sure
Bigred - leaning v
MMM - villager
Daven - wolfy
I want to give rilla a bit more time with baudib
lynch daven
I'm thinking you make too many of these mistakes to be wolfy. It doesn't come across as weighing your words.Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
WolfyQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
This is almost as bad as 'CROSS YER FINGERS GUYS! GL GL GL US! WEEEEEEEE'
I'm losing the handle on this game because I want to revisit all of Wuf's early posts again.
But I think we need Boog or Daven dead first before resolving Wuf.
It's actually nothing at all like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I'm worried we are clearing Ong too light but he feels 90% villager. His phrasing has tweaked my eyebrows a couple times tho.
I'm still not finding a reason to call Luco a villager...it's actually becoming a problem.
villagers
BID
Rill
MMM
Ong
Monstr
Wuf
Keybored
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neutral
lilrascal
Luco
BigRed
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wolfy
Hoopy
Daven
Boog
Meh I like lynching Daven less upon reread.
Nah you're not this shit at ww, you're a wolfQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Or maybe you are just shit at ww
Maybe. I can see Daven being a villager here though.
If there's a wolf in my villager list it's Wuf or Monstr.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I can see everyone being a villager to some degree. No stand out wolves is problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Daven is a decent shot