Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

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Originally Posted by baudib

Since Wuf is back in the 2+2 TV thread I'll probably just read that and stop visiting so you can all breathe easier now.

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It's weird, some stuff I'll post there, but some stuff I'll post here. Not sure why. I think it's that this place is cool and 2p2 is a bunch of doofuses but gets lots of traffic


Zorro Dicksucks is a great actor. I had him being legit the whole time, but he was really just a liar


Noticed a problem in the writing: Tywin says "they're calling it the War of Five Kings". But, um, who are those five kings? Teh Joff, Robb, Stannis, and Renly of course, but who else? Can't be Balon because Tywin doesn't know that yet, can't be Dany because Tywin doesn't know that yet, can't be Mance because Tywin doesn't know that yet.....

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Originally Posted by d0zer

lol fuck I hate that talisa plot arc. Like she's hot as fuck but we don't need some silly chick romance-drama BS distracting us from the awesomeness of the starks.

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Oh you're one of thooooooose. One of those who think she's the hottest. I know your type.....

Anyways, her character sucks because there's no real chemistry. I love romances so much that if you didn't know better you'd think I was a girl, but I can't stand this no-chemistry mud between Robb and Who Gives A Shit

Jon and Ygritte's where it's at. But I'm sure the Night's Watch will find a way to keep Jon alone and miserable

Wuf, has it occurred to you that it is possible that the reason you feel that there's so much sexual chemistry between Jon and Ygritte is precisely because she's had interactions with him that evoke that kind of impression to begin with? As far as Robb and Whats Her Face go, it's definitely a far more nuanced attraction, but I think you can genuinely see some type of chemistry building there.

Agree on the Stannis front, though I get the impression that no one in his entourage really have much love for him at all. I mean, the guy chopped off the fingers of his closest advisor, the onion knight. Kind of Stalinesque if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

Wuf, has it occurred to you that it is possible that the reason you feel that there's so much sexual chemistry between Jon and Ygritte is precisely because she's had interactions with him that evoke that kind of impression to begin with? As far as Robb and Whats Her Face go, it's definitely a far more nuanced attraction, but I think you can genuinely see some type of chemistry building there.

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One of the tenets of a great romance is how forbidden it is. We haven't been given much impression that Robb and Talisa is forbidden. I mean, we know it is, but Talisa doesn't know it, and Robb is not portraying such in the slightest. The forbidden-ness is merely because we have been told he's promised to another, yet for all we know, that promise could mean little.

Their relationship is nothing other than Robb being lured by her for whatever reason. She never even tried, it was really just the first time we saw Robb around a girl, then lo n behold she was pretty and lo n behold he takes a liking to her


Jon and Ygritte, OTOH, has the makings of a great love story due to them being at each others throats constantly, yet they were still forced to spoon while sleeping (to keep warm, of course), and he still found his subconscious drape his leg over hers and grasp her chest. All the while she plays at him in a way where you're not sure if she's just tricking him or if she really could mean it only if things worked out a certain way


The former is boring, the latter is a story of a potentially budding romance

Of course, I am the world's most hopeless romantic, so I peer deeply into the "what I cannot have" aspect of love. However, I'm not sure this is unlike how romance is usually portrayed. The greatest romance movie ever made was Before Sunrise, and that was of a boy and girl who could not be together. Another, while many find it cheesy, was still very captivating in the fairy tale view of romance, The Notebook, which engulfed itself in two who often could not be together. Not to mention the most famous romance of all time, Romeo and Juliet, a story of two who could not be.

Of course, it could also be that my primary personality type is Negotiator, which means that I prefer strong and direct women, of which Ygritte is yet Talisa isn't so much

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Originally Posted by baudib

This is actually exactly what happened to me as I've read 2 1/2 books and got majorly spoiled in the books thread. I actually managed to survive despite this cuz I don't give a fuck about the books at all and will probably never read the rest of them.

The responses to wuf were in spoiler tags and everything else I've been posting in this thread has been strictly related to the TV show. I'd respect the sentiment a lot more if wuf/boost said GTFO but it's kind of galling when "GTFO" has been Penney's only contribution to this discussion.

Since Wuf is back in the 2+2 TV thread I'll probably just read that and stop visiting so you can all breathe easier now.

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I haven't really had any issue with you that I can remember. I do generally think that book readers should kind of stay on the sidelines in this thread, and be extremely cautious when posting if they do. There shouldn't be any comparing between books and the show, and certainly no speculation from book readers. If you read books and want to participate in this thread, just use your head and be respectful if non-readers feel like you're crossing a line. It sucks to be caught in the middle with no thread to post in, but that doesn't mean you should encroach on the non-readers' thread.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

hey boost are you reading just the speculation thread on twop, or others like the episode threads? ive heard the episode threads have lots of spoilers in them, and i checked one out and the second post was somebody comparing what happened in show to what happened in book, so i left

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I only ever opened the Completely Unspoiled thread. I will not open any other.

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Originally Posted by d0zer

lol fuck I hate that talisa plot arc. Like she's hot as fuck but we don't need some silly chick romance-drama BS distracting us from the awesomeness of the starks.

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She's gorgeous.. Ros is hot, Ygritte is hot.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

It's weird, some stuff I'll post there, but some stuff I'll post here. Not sure why. I think it's that this place is cool and 2p2 is a bunch of doofuses but gets lots of traffic


Zorro Dicksucks is a great actor. I had him being legit the whole time, but he was really just a liar


Noticed a problem in the writing: Tywin says "they're calling it the War of Five Kings". But, um, who are those five kings? Teh Joff, Robb, Stannis, and Renly of course, but who else? Can't be Balon because Tywin doesn't know that yet, can't be Dany because Tywin doesn't know that yet, can't be Mance because Tywin doesn't know that yet.....

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Why doesn't Tywin know about Dany/Mance?

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Originally Posted by boost

Why doesn't Tywin know about Dany/Mance?

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Actually, it's not that Tywin doesn't know, but the "they" of "they're calling it the War of Five Kings". Whose "they" other than the observers and effective media of the war? According to these people, only four kings are fighting for the throne. Only the Wall cares about Mance, nobody even knows about Dany and the dragons, and the last thing anybody saw of the Greyjoys was them sitting on an island reminiscing about going back to the Iron Standard. My guess is the fifth king is Balon Greyjoy, but the show still hasn't mentioned that anybody below Robb's army has heard of his rebellion yet

I feel like with such heavy source material, things like this can be chalked up to scenes or parts of scenes being left on the chopping block, instead of it being a case of bad writing. They could add a line or two to Tywin's dialogue to make the "five kings" line nit proof, or they can just slip it in there knowing 95% of the viewers know what he's talking about and will assume that there's a reason he knows what he's talking about. They chose the latter and then get to have more fun interaction with Tywin and Arya or Arya and A Man, or Tyrion and anybody...

-Tywin knows about Dany by way of his grandson king by way of his advisors who knew and informed boisterous baratheon of her pregnancy.

-Sansa being raped would be awesome.

-Robb's romance is lame because that bitch acts too good for Robb. "Oh, you're waging a war against the kingdom to save you sisters and avenge your father? You're such a child. What will you do when you win?" Bitch, the kingdoms were run serviceably by a Mad King, a fat drunk, and now a twisted little shit, I think Robb can handle the administrative duties of the North.

-Stannis is sweet because he's a true Baratheon.

-Also, the end game of Lannister+Baratheon+Stark v Dany would be awesome but I don't get the sense that this story is working towards an end game. Maybe I'm projecting from The Wire where everyone just is and does as they do and the story moves along driven by everyone living out their days, the same could occur in this tangled political mess. The war can settle to a long, dragged out affair that leaves thousands in famine and strife, and westeros just becomes a shittier world to live in and the story ends after each character from the original book has fallen. The only thing that changed was the carnage kicked up over a fight for a throne that kings don't really seem to enjoy and probably can't hold without overwhelming military strength.

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Originally Posted by boost

She's gorgeous.. Ros is hot, Ygritte is hot.

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I'll not have my drunken language nitpicked, but Ygritte is made much hotter by her unapologetic wildling filthy girl demeanour, and the guaranteed implication that she'd be a beast in the sack, but she's kinda got those fetal alcohol eyes.

As much as I enjoy my fetal alcoholic trashy whores, I'm more interested in Talisa than Ygritte by a mile. Pure and clean over whore-ish and filthy any day of the week.

Would pound both into the mattress, though.

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Originally Posted by d0zer

I'll not have my drunken language nitpicked, but Ygritte is made much hotter by her unapologetic wildling filthy girl demeanour, and the guaranteed implication that she'd be a beast in the sack, but she's kinda got those fetal alcohol eyes.

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If I had known you to exaggerate that egregiously then I probably wouldn't have raged so hard when you called that other girl a 2/10 butterface.

Dozer, I know what you mean.. she does have a slight glint of fetal alcohol face, and she wouldn't be nearly as hot if she didn't have that over the top thick accent and attitude that lets you know her goal in bed is the same as mine: a bruised cervix.

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Originally Posted by boost

Dozer, I know what you mean.. she does have a slight glint of fetal alcohol face, and she wouldn't be nearly as hot if she didn't have that over the top thick accent and attitude that lets you know her goal in bed is the same as mine: a bruised cervix.

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haha awesome.

Edit: Alright so I'll come clean, my friends have always told me that I vastly overrate women on a regular basis. But, then again, I never think I'm wrong. I also tend to underrate incredibly beautiful women. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I don't get the sense that this story is working towards an end game. Maybe I'm projecting from The Wire where everyone just is and does as they do and the story moves along driven by everyone living out their days, the same could occur in this tangled political mess.

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That is the impression I am getting more and more. Rather than working towards something, it looks to be more just a retelling of a passage of the history in this fictual fantasy world. I really like this, but didn't expect it from the way season 1 started.

I do see some sort of endgame. There's a reason all sorts of magic that are thought to be gone have returned. Plus I'm not even sure if any fantasy material hasn't had endgames yet. The Wire was pretty unique and unusual in its storytelling (for our culture)

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

haha awesome.

Edit: Alright so I'll come clean, my friends have always told me that I vastly overrate women on a regular basis. But, then again, I never think I'm wrong. I also tend to underrate incredibly beautiful women. Go figure.

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I think I have a similar tendency to overrate "average" women, and underrate super hot ones. I'm fine with this though, as I get to enjoy more of what I consider top tier than the average person, because the average person thinks my top tier is simply mid-grades.

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That is the impression I am getting more and more. Rather than working towards something, it looks to be more just a retelling of a passage of the history in this fictual fantasy world. I really like this, but didn't expect it from the way season 1 started.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

I do see some sort of endgame. There's a reason all sorts of magic that are thought to be gone have returned. Plus I'm not even sure if any fantasy material hasn't had endgames yet. The Wire was pretty unique and unusual in its storytelling (for our culture)

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I would much prefer a Wire-esque snap shot of the world instead of a beginning-middle-end LoTR lameness. I have a strong feeling that we are going to land somewhere in the middle, a bit more towards Wire-esque than is standard. I'd be happy with this.

A TWoP snippet...

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I used to discuss the episodes with my best friend but after the murder of the two kids she decided to stop watching.

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just, wow...

ignorance is bliss

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

I do see some sort of endgame. There's a reason all sorts of magic that are thought to be gone have returned. Plus I'm not even sure if any fantasy material hasn't had endgames yet. The Wire was pretty unique and unusual in its storytelling (for our culture)

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Yeah it's unusual, that is why I wasn't expecting it in GoT also, but season 1 was pretty much like that, and season 2 is looking like it also. Instead of working plot elements towards a big finale, it's more of a moving chess pieces around the board. Makes it all a lot less predictable, if this is indeed the way it is going to stay.

Are we really not discussing last night's episode? Come on, people!

I haven't seen it yet! NO SPOILERS :x

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

Are we really not discussing last night's episode? Come on, people!

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just got to watch it now, but I really need to rewatch. Really solid setup episode though. I wonder if this will be like last season where e09 is the climax and e10 is the denouement.

I have to say that Arya and A Man stole the show again. And there was a ton of really heart felt moments packed into this episode. I feel like that stuff can be very hard to pull off well and not feel like a complete sap fest. Anyways, looking forward to a rewatch so I can dig in some more.

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Originally Posted by boost

just got to watch it now, but I really need to rewatch. Really solid setup episode though. I wonder if this will be like last season where e09 is the climax and e10 is the denouement.

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I really think that will be the case. Last episode, Stannis' ships were 5 days out. Now they expect to arrive within a day. Tywin just departed Harrenhall to face Robb, and the Kingslayer and Brienne should be arriving at King's Landing before long as well. If they manage to stuff in another episode before anything of consequence happens I'll be rather pissed. But, it most definitely won't be the case.

Is anyone else on the same page as me? With 5 minutes left in the episode I was like DAYUM Dany and her dumb dragon plotline still hasn't made an appearance yet! Hooray for a no-Dany episode! and then bam. Sadface.

i lol everytime i see somebody joke about dany and jorah by way of

Jorah: "Be careful, Khaleesi"

Dany: "I AM THE MOTHER OF DRAGONS"

That is their theme, for sure

EVERYTHING YOU LOVE WILL TURN TO ASH IN YOUR MOUTH
-the dwarf, motherfucker

Really liked this episode, and as usual when I see that scene that is obviously the final one, and then the credits roll, I scream out a loud nooOOoo, run out into the street and beat up some random passersby.

Part of me was hoping Bran and Rickon really were dead

Because that would have been hilariously bad writing

And I would have had fun pointing it out

Part of me thought dranger's "lol" was because he knew they actually were dead, and we were all saying how not dead they obviously were

If they seriously are taking the Jorah/Dany story through him being romantically in love with her I am removing this show as a contender for GOAT. It would mean they don't realize that they have developed a story about his need for redemption and undying loyalty, not one of romantic feelings for her

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

If they seriously are taking the Jorah/Dany story through him being romantically in love with her I am removing this show as a contender for GOAT. It would mean they don't realize that they have developed a story about his need for redemption and undying loyalty, not one of romantic feelings for her

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There have been several instances where Jorah's love for Dany has been seen. I dont really get why he cant love her?

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There have been several instances where Jorah's love for Dany has been seen. I dont really get why he cant love her?

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There have been maybe a couple where a romantic sort of love could have been seen, but every other scene is showing something else, as well as how they've portrayed backstory, and how the characters have evolved

They've been selling a story of Jorah being unbelievably loyal to her, probably due to wanting redemption, but also due to him learning to respect her and finding out she's very special, and he has a lot of paternal sort of instincts. But an actual romantic love has not been borne out. All that stuff has been more appropriately portrayed as an undying loyalty sort of love, not that he wants to fuck her.

Most of what people say shows he's romantically in love with her is actually just other characters talking about it. Like when Zorro Dicksucks says it or when masked lady says it and Dany then starts seeing it. But that actually makes my point because they have to straight up tell the audience of that love because they haven't shown it adequately through the storytelling

The best thing we've gotten is when masked lady says "you love her", he just makes an acknowledgement then moves on with the agenda. This shows that he does have some feelings for her, but it could be as simple as a him having some romantic feelings, yet not wanting to pay attention to them because he has a more important role

He is not treating her like he's in love with her; he's treating her like he's her most loyal servant. And in the first season they set up why Jorah would feel so deeply about this role

If he is romantically in love with her, they have not been doing it right. We would need to see him conflicted more when dealing with her, at the very least. But it has been nothing other than him giving the best advice he knows how, but doing what she says and not really even questioning it. He treats her very much like she's the master and he's the servant. Also, his rhetoric has been very pro-servant anti-romantic-love-interest. The show has had many opportunities for Jorah to tell her that he cares for her based in his own personal feelings, but every time they have that opportunity, they instead do other things like "you have a good heart and should be queen" and "I will never forget the day you walked out of a fire". This is not the dialogue you give to a man in love, this is the dialogue you give to a servant who believes the most important thing is his master

I think my point is very well demonstrated in how Masked Lady said "you love her", and that this not only was supposed to be some kind of a big deal, but it's a main point that those who say he's in love with her go to. My point is not that he's not in love with her (I'm pretty sure he now is, based in what others have said), but that they have not portrayed it well. The fact that what Masked Lady is so important is demonstrating that they indeed have not portrayed the love

Ever since like episode 4 or 5 of season 1, I was positive Jorah's motives were based in redeeming himself from his dishonorable past. The show told us he felt this way when he told the audience nothing about himself other than this part of his past, when his father alluded to the issue, and when Jorah took on a highly protective and loyal role for Dany without even one single bit of him having jealousy or manipulativeness towards her, nor doing anything pretty much other than what a loyal servant does

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

All that stuff has been more appropriately portrayed as an undying loyalty sort of love, not that he wants to fuck her.

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Ha, ya ok. Thats a pretty compelling point.

Thank you for validating that I'm not crazy. I mean, I know I'm not crazy, but whatever. Half the dicksucks on 2p2 have already spoiled themselves from books or wiki, the other half don't consider a different perspective anything other than retardation

Funny thing is I asked my closest friend who is also watch GoT, "Is Jorah in love with Dany, yes or no?", and his response was, "No, but I seem to be the only one who sees it that way. He's exceptionally loyal, not in love"

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Re: old dude loving dany.

I don't know what you expect him to say when the masked lady says "You love her, I see it." The point is that it's obvious to observers well versed in how old knights act around young girls they're in to. And it was pointed out in season 1 when old golden domer said something to the same effect.

He's in a strange land talking to strange people, not exactly the best opportunity to open up and expose your emotions. Plus, he's going to have to interact with Dany for quite some time and it's always good to keep those things out of the realm of the well defined.

And in how they interact with each other, his role was always as a servant, protector and advisor. She was a gift to the Khal in exchange for an army to take Westeros. He was never gonna get a slice of that Khalesi pie. After the Khal falls, you would rather expect him to make his move then continue to serve her in the same fashion and sit on his old man lust as best he can? Ridiculous.

ofc he does, she's hot, how could he not want up in those dragon mama guts?

He's just a consummate professional and does his damnedest to not let it show because he knows it's inappropriate.

Latest ep confirmed my hatred for the stark / healer plot. gaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy except we got to see her lovely bottom and that almost made up for all the jibber jabber that preceded it. Also confirmed a man / a girl scenes are awesome.

They have not even shown him struggling with making the decision to not act on his supposed love. That would be the first thing they would need while keeping the integrity of the protector and khal dynamic. But they showed us nothing that could specifically point to him being in love with her, and the only reason it looks like he could is because there are not too many options to choose from, and for many that becomes a default, I guess

All of Jorah's behavior is better explained by something else, and that's probably why they've had to start telling the audience he's in love with her by straight out having other characters talk about it

Jorah loves her, but is not in love with her. Thats what im getting now from the show. I cant see jorah at any point coming out and going "IMA BANG THE SHIT OUTTA YOU KHALESSI". Just cant see it. I think we all saw Robb and Nurselady's banging coming, dont see it from jorah+dany.

So i tend to agree with wuf now. If thats the road the show takes, it would be poorly done

Hi, im wufwugy.

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As much as I enjoy my fetal alcoholic trashy whores, I'm more interested in Talisa

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The actress playing Talisa appears to be Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter.

she could grow a Chaplin (now better known as a Hitler) 'stache and I'd still smash.

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I still don't know what this means

Just watched s1e1, it's violent and full of hot naked women. I can see why this is popular.

Theres also a funny little dwarf!

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Just watched s1e1, it's violent and full of hot naked women. I can see why this is popular.

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The violent gets violenter and the naked women get naked womener. It's great.

Re wuf: not going to say much about this since I dont wanna spoil and im not saying if the dany/jorah relationship is.important or not. But good god man. We get it. If jorah loves dany, it doesnt make much sense due to the way its been portrayed. One post suffices to explain this, not 17... -___-

Not trying to be a buzzkill, just wow.

This wouldn't be the first time I've been tricked into thinking that when 2p2ers express opinions, they're doing so from a position of intelligence. So yeah, it really should have been just a few posts

for the record wuf, I think you're right in that they haven't been setting it up -- but at the same time, he's a dude and she's hot, and HBO has many 13 yr old boys working for them so who knows wat could happen?

:mad:THOSE ISLAND CUNTS:mad:

the island cunt sister was awesome last ep, crushing theonbitch's dreams of holding winterfell like a femboss.

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I may or may not have come across a bunch of spoilers from the books, but I kinda don't care because I don't actually know and I predict the show is going to end up having deviated a lot from the books

Man I just snap avoid everything I read that might even be potentially spoiler material.

On a (surprisingly) completely unrelated topic, when I read dranger's last post I assumed he was referring to your posts itt. Apparently you went on at length about Dany / Jorah on 2p2. I find it hard to believe it took that much convincing, your point of view is relatively straightforward / consistent with what's been shown so far imo. I also wondered if he actually loved her, or just had a deep love for the idea of her, and was an honourable man bound by loyalty. F those 2p2 douches imo.

Where....where do you find these all wuf! omg <3

Got them all from this thread. If you haven't read the books, I recommend not going in there. I don't think there are any explicit spoilers, but some of the jpg material is made by people who have read the books. I think that I have figured out some things they have unwittingly posted that are spoilers, but I don't know for sure because it's mostly inference

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Man I just snap avoid everything I read that might even be potentially spoiler material.

On a (surprisingly) completely unrelated topic, when I read dranger's last post I assumed he was referring to your posts itt. Apparently you went on at length about Dany / Jorah on 2p2. I find it hard to believe it took that much convincing, your point of view is relatively straightforward / consistent with what's been shown so far imo. I also wondered if he actually loved her, or just had a deep love for the idea of her, and was an honourable man bound by loyalty. F those 2p2 douches imo.

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Keeping on topic of the 2p2 hate, they also think Dany is a terrible actress. Which is retarded. She is supposed to appear as if she's overacting, so to speak, and a dramatic entitled brat. That's exactly how Viserys was


Anyways, rewatched episode

I really like Robb, he needs way more screen time. His character and plotline is the kind you'd want to watch a movie about. So far he's had a ton of excellent lines and delivers them very well. Not sure how I feel about Talisa, but she's not my kinda girl, so I kinda don't care

Cat is a fucking idiot. I knew I never liked her for a reason. Her letting Jaime go is just unbearably stupid. Not just a dumb sort of stupid, but a crazy and destructive stupid. Anybody with half a brain should know that letting Jaime go is only going to hurt her ability to get the kids back. Bitches be crazy yo

I like seeing candid interactions between Tyrion and Bronn. Bronn is actually a pretty interesting character

Varys is awesome. Feel sorry for the guy not having nads n all

Instead of the Joker saying "Why so serious?" somebody needs to make a photoshop saying "Why so Stannis?" after Teh Joff gives him that red smile, ear to ear

Arya and A Man are a comedy duo

Cat lost her surname. She's a Tully now. Tully are worthless.

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A girl owes one more name. The Red God demands it. Give the man a name.

A GIRL CANNOT GIVE A MAN HIS OWN NAME

THIRD PERSON TALK MAKES BIKES FEEL COOL

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Must say, Osha is kinda hot

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i have decided i really hope for an in depth ygritte/jon romance. it has all the makings for something great. not just because a good romance gets me all mushy, but that there's a great story arising out of the whole "you know nothing, jon snow" implication of it all

and i dont mean romance in the sap sense, but in the serious character development sense. nothing changes somebody like the experiences borne of love

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

i have decided i really hope for an in depth ygritte/jon romance. it has all the makings for something great. not just because a good romance gets me all mushy, but that there's a great story arising out of the whole "you know nothing, jon snow" implication of it all

and i dont mean romance in the sap sense, but in the serious character development sense. nothing changes somebody like the experiences borne of love

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I think you're bang-on (pun intended LOLOLOL I'MA SO FUNNY). Given the convo Jon had with the other captive crow whose name escapes me at the moment -- the bit where he implicitly encourages Jon to work his way into the good graces of the wildlings and put the screws to them at some later time -- it seems that he'll have plenty of opportunity to do the nasty with Ygritte. Would be kinda fun and shit, but I sort of wish these romances weren't always so telegraphed.

EDIT: I've decided that there are a few possible twists that can develop from the Jon / Ygritte romance:

1) Jon falls in love with Ygritte, and ultimately can't betray her by turning against the wildlings. He sacrifices his honor for the sake of love.

2) Despite having strong feelings for Ygritte, Jon reluctantly opts to fulfill his obligations to the Night's Watch, and eventually turns on the wildlings. Possibly, Jon has to kill Ygritte in the heat of combat, ironically carrying out what he was meant to do with her in the first place.

3) Some other shit, I'm not a writer. obv

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Must say, Osha is kinda hot

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yesss

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Originally Posted by Penneywize

I think you're bang-on (pun intended LOLOLOL I'MA SO FUNNY). Given the convo Jon had with the other captive crow whose name escapes me at the moment -- the bit where he implicitly encourages Jon to work his way into the good graces of the wildlings and put the screws to them at some later time -- it seems that he'll have plenty of opportunity to do the nasty with Ygritte. Would be kinda fun and shit, but I sort of wish these romances weren't always so telegraphed.

EDIT: I've decided that there are a few possible twists that can develop from the Jon / Ygritte romance:

1) Jon falls in love with Ygritte, and ultimately can't betray her by turning against the wildlings. He sacrifices his honor for the sake of love.

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If I had to guess, it would be that a blossoming love corresponds with his realization of why he should side with the wildlings, but your way isn't too far from that

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2) Despite having strong feelings for Ygritte, Jon reluctantly opts to fulfill his obligations to the Night's Watch, and eventually turns on the wildlings. Possibly, Jon has to kill Ygritte in the heat of combat, ironically carrying out what he was meant to do with her in the first place.

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Damn, son. That is. Fucked. Up.

I guarantee that's not gonna happen. It could make for an excellent story, but it's something that only a tiny fraction of creators would approach. I like dark and counter-culture, but that would take a lot out of me to make. Accidentally murdering your lover, especially due to your misguided honor, is a beast of a story to delve into

Great idea, but terribly hard to pull off. Most sad movies don't even come close to being that distressing



One of my issues is that I think they're gonna use Ygritte as a prop to drive the Jon Snow story. So she could serve her purpose then die off. I don't really like that. It's hard to say because you gotta kill off some important characters, but also some of the coolest characters are those who seem like they're gonna eventually be discarded e.g. Stannis, Tywin, Ygritte. Hell, the side characters are cooler than the main characters.

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yesss

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It's like if Franka Potente met Creepy Chan

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nooo

also, today is the day. I'm very excited!

what's not to like about creepy chan?

dunno I just googled it and apparently that's not an insult so OK

What a great episode. Until now they had skipped over most of the battles, making it even better to devote an entire episode to the siege on the iron throne now.

fuck fuck fuck is all I can say. Loras is a douche

Holy shit that wildfire explosion was amazing

Shae's got magic powers. She's gonna heal Tyrion or raise him from the dead or something. They have made too much of her involvement for her to go out like this. And she has told Tyrion about a billion times how she's not gonna let anybody hurt him. I've been getting the impression she's special in some way for some time now, but the beginning of this episode suggested to me it could be magic. Also, it's not the most likely thing in the world that they kill Tyrion, even if he dies in the books. I could see the show straying in this way, but maybe not. If he is dead, I'd say that's a weird death. It looked like it could just be a face cut, but it also could be that they didn't want their hero to get maimed.

Was totally right about Davos' son getting blasted by fire.

I'll find it so neat if Stannis is held prisoner, in order for Davos to save him he has to use Melisandre, whom he fucks in order to make another shadow baby

Really liking the Hound/Sansa thing. I hope to see a lot there. Inb4 he protects her then 2p2 says he's in love with her

I'll be kinda sad if this is the height of the Stannis Baratheon storyline. Looks like it could be, but there is another great place they could go from here. Basically, with Stannis out of the way, an alliance with the Tyrells, the Starks may be forced to move back to take out Theon, but then the Lannisters/Tyrells could push north and greatly outnumber the Starks. This could then coincide with Mance Rayder making some sort of alliance with the "bastard son of a dead man", then they march south and ultimately save Winterfell and the Starks

I still have no idea how to reconcile the two entirely different stories they're telling i.e. the human struggle for power and the magic/dragon/probably gods dynamic. I do think this is going to a somewhat specific place, just don't know where. I'm sure it'll end up very different anyways

I should clarify. I think they're taking it in a direction of an unbelievable showdown between great magic and god powers. Walkers vs Dragons, or something of that sort. I wouldn't be surprised if that whole thing gets way more dynamic though, things like some god avatars or something show up. I've thought that Melisandre could be a sort of avatar, or maybe Jaqen. But they are talking about the gods in interesting ways. So much of the mysterious stuff seems to be attached to gods. Like how Melisandre brought the God of Light, and how the wildlings "serve crueler gods than you or I" in reference to something the White Walkers were involved in. Found it particularly interesting when Jaqen said "by the seven new gods and the old gods beyond counting". These references are in an authentic fashion that could just be really damn good writing, but I think are more along the lines of being significant to the story than creating a genuine milieu


Also Bronn killing those two dudes was the best action choreography they've done yet. He's a great character. I think I got him vs Syrio in the finals match now

Wait, I thought Stannis was getting dragged off by the Lannisters. Were those his own men holding him back?

Hells yes

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Also I bet the last ep is equally fantastic, yet will show nothing of KL. Each different plot will have more air time too. So we have two cliffhanger eps; one of KL and the Lannisters/Baratheons, and the other will be of all the cliffs in the other stories

That episode was straight paper.

All I ever really wanted from Game of Thrones was to see people chopped in half by Clegane.

Who the fuck cut Tyrion?

Pretty sure that was Meryn

I thought the Hound/Bronn exchange showed that Cersei put a hit out on Tyrion. Hound made it clear he was there to kill Bronn. Of which the only reason for this would be if Tyrion was next

It was a member of the Kingsguard.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Pretty sure that was Meryn

I thought the Hound/Bronn exchange showed that Cersei put a hit out on Tyrion. Hound made it clear he was there to kill Bronn. Of which the only reason for this would be if Tyrion was next

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Oh, that makes sense.

The scene where Cersei is whipsering more sweet nothings about being king to her youngest child shows why Cunty the King is such a dick. Who turns out normal with those kind of thoughts pushed into their head?

I have figured out from the opening credits and HBO map that Qarth is about 1/3rd or 1/4th the way around the world from King's Landing. The southern pole also appears to be winter-less. In order to go from KL to Qarth, the opening credits curvature looks like it has to go pretty deep into the southern hemisphere, where it's all sunny and the ocean is even called the Summer Sea

"Old Valyria" has been mentioned as something to be "sailed past" and full of danger. This suggests to me that it's the southern pole-area they're referring to, and that it's equally as mysterious as the north. Where the North is full of snows that can cover entire castles and frost monsters (screen-capping the white walkers shows they look like they've had their faces frozen off), the South is probably roasting; I imagine highly volcanic. It is probably the source of the dragons, perhaps even giants, but giants are usually a northern breed. They have been mentioned, so they may make a comeback. The South is also probably host to a very peculiar indigenous human culture, similar to the wildlings of the North.

I'm guessing they will eventually open up more territory in later seasons, just as they opened up Essos in this season. My guess is that there is definitely stuff east of Qarth (the existing land is clear), and there is a vast ocean to the west of Westeros

I'm still confused, however, because the play between fire and ice isn't the same as the play between good and evil; yet the show is suggesting at both. This is why I really like my idea of one set of magic being the fire/dragon/southern side, the other being the ice/walker/northern side, then a third relatively new one that has never really been revealed before. So far the story does go along this route due to all the old lore holding up while this fresh new Lord of Light is actually really dark.



So yeah, if I was writing this there would be three different sources of magic

1. An amoral northern ice form that brings things like direwolves, bran's dreaming, can be corrupted into terrible things like colossal winters and white walkers that raise the dead

2. An amoral southern fire form that brings things like dany's fire resistance, and can be corrupted as has been used in the past by the Targs with the dragons

3. An evil, never before seen dark form found in Melisandre and the House of the Undying guy

The magic would be highly dispersed where a lot of different humans would have different weird manifestations of magic, yet some is trivial and some is not, some is used and some is not. There would also need to be balance between the fire and ice magic, which are the magics of that world; but they're becoming unbalanced due to rise of the new, alien, dark magic. So everything is starting to come to a head. Walkers rose from thousands of years slumber, dragons are born again, some people find they have powers that didn't exist before, and there's a really dark secret lurking in the shadows, a threat to the normal order of things

If I went this far, I would probably bring the gods themselves into it, but they would not be any sort of all powerful type of god we usually think of. Their powers and knowledge would be specific and capable of being marginalized in ways, and how they manifest would be unique. The old gods, for example, would not know much about the new Lord of Light who brings forth such darkness

That is, if I was writing this story...



Or it could be that there is both bad and good in both the fire and ice magics. That would explain why the dragons and dire wolves appear to be currently positive manifestations of those magics, while the Walkers are clearly evil ice magic and the Lord of Light adores fire so he really is just one of the normal southern fire gods

Looks like they'll be marrying Margaery and Teh Joff. I figured something like this would happen after she said what she did to Littlefinger, but I didn't like a marriage to Teh Joff because she looks like she's ten years older than him. However, that marriage would make for a really interesting story, so they should probably do it

Tyrion isn't really dead, is he?

He's not, right?

Right?

wuf, I'm not sure I agree with how you would write the story... I think involving the gods directly in this story would probably be a mistake. Mystery is good. However I do like how you've explored the different magics and what this all could possibly mean. In that same line of thought, notice that The Hound's face got the way it is by fire, and he pretty much froze up and all he could say was that the black water was on fire. Then later he tells his little dove that he plans to go north.

Also, keen eye on Cersei putting a hit on Tyrion. But I wonder if again, like many suspect the assassination attempt on Bran was orchestrated by Joffrey, he may have also green lighted Tyrion. Cersei already got his whore. Also, note that the only person we have seen The Hound and Meryn taking orders from is Joffrey.

There's a ton more stuff I want to discuss, but I need sleep now.

can't be meryn because sers mandon and boros were with tyrion.

also <3 ser dontos cameo

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wuf, I'm not sure I agree with how you would write the story... I think involving the gods directly in this story would probably be a mistake.

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I generally agree. I am going with where I think they're going based on what they've already shown. A lot of how well it would go would be based in how well they could mesh. Things like a prophet or a priestess of a god is some level of meshing the god with the world because some of the god-powers and desires are manifested through the pseudo-avatar. I think we may already be seeing this in the story, but it is a stark contrast to an idea of gods where they "come down" and take their preferred form and do their own shit. That's a really tough story to sell

I don't really know how to play it, but I would give it some thought at least. Things like the White Walkers were humans who endeavored to be like their god, they got too close, then were stricken, and now they're some demi-god form of half-human half-monster. That's a really FantasyLand meets The Bible though. A lot of the lore in the Bible that some xtians believe is thought to involve shit like giants that were fallen angels who rebelled along with Lucifer against God long before Eve ever got close to the apple, and they roamed the Earth before the Flood, and the real reason for the Flood was to get rid of all the fallen angels that were fucking shit up. I'm not joking, some xtians do believe that.

I also remember really liking how the Rose of the Prophet trilogy did the gods. It's been so long since I read those, but they had a pretty great system that involved the gods being real and play some roles in some things.

You're right though, it would be terribly hard to do. I think we're going to learn more about the gods in GoT, not sure how much more though

I love how the bigwigs just charge into battle. Get the first ladder up? Stannis is the first motherfucker up there. Old man Tywin comes in all bloody from his many victims. If that's how shit actually went down, there would be a lot more turnover in leadership roles than there already is. I know they're supposed to be bad motherfuckers, but there's still a ton of variance in battle when things get chaotic. w/e, makes for good TV.

Hey, why wouldn't Tywin grab the iron throne? Shame for him to go through all the trouble of fucking up Stannis's shit just to return to his old worn down citadel.

Yeah this leaders charging first thing irked me aswell. Even after the wildfire bombardment he was in the first boat leading the landing party. That is just dumb, you just make it more likely to get hit by everything and die before you get anywhere. Such things stand out especially because everything else was done so well to make it feel real.

Another thing that made me chuckle was the tough guy in the room with Cersei and all the women. I don't know about anyone else but the first thing I thought when I saw him was "ok he is clearly there to kill all of them incase the war is lost". And then they proceed to act all secretive about his real purpose.. sorry but this particular thing has been done in many other movies before :)

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Yeah this leaders charging first thing irked me aswell. Even after the wildfire bombardment he was in the first boat leading the landing party. That is just dumb, you just make it more likely to get hit by everything and die before you get anywhere. Such things stand out especially because everything else was done so well to make it feel real.

Another thing that made me chuckle was the tough guy in the room with Cersei and all the women. I don't know about anyone else but the first thing I thought when I saw him was "ok he is clearly there to kill all of them incase the war is lost". And then they proceed to act all secretive about his real purpose.. sorry but this particular thing has been done in many other movies before :)

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Stannis charging in makes sense bc a) he's a legit badass and more importantly b) his host is reduced to dregs, given his combat prowess hIs participation could directly mean the difference between winning and losing.

Tywin, meh pretty unrealistic.

Wrt your second paragraph, it's a very common motif in game of thrones to set things up where things are obv to the audience but not to the players. This is a type of irony that I forgot the name of.

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Originally Posted by Renton

Stannis charging in makes sense bc a) he's a legit badass and more importantly b) his host is reduced to dregs, given his combat prowess hIs participation could directly mean the difference between winning and losing.

Tywin, meh pretty unrealistic.

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Agree. I also think Stannis is a straight up bawss and had been rooting for him throughout the last episode. The only reason to root for Joff not to die is that it would mean Tyrion would probably die too, and some other obv implications i.e. Cersei, Bronn, etc etc. So from a story perspective it was quite obvious that Stannis' army was going to lose the battle.

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Looks like they'll be marrying Margaery and Teh Joff. I figured something like this would happen after she said what she did to Littlefinger, but I didn't like a marriage to Teh Joff because she looks like she's ten years older than him. However, that marriage would make for a really interesting story, so they should probably do it

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Yeah, after seeing what went down at the end of the last ep it seems like that might be part of the arrangement in return for house Tyrell's aid. Lucky for Sansa, her ass is already halfway out the door.

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Originally Posted by boost

In that same line of thought, notice that The Hound's face got the way it is by fire, and he pretty much froze up and all he could say was that the black water was on fire. Then later he tells his little dove that he plans to go north.

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For some reason I don't think I caught this and am feeling rather dumbfounded at the moment. Makes perfect sense though.

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Also, keen eye on Cersei putting a hit on Tyrion. But I wonder if again, like many suspect the assassination attempt on Bran was orchestrated by Joffrey, he may have also green lighted Tyrion. Cersei already got his whore. Also, note that the only person we have seen The Hound and Meryn taking orders from is Joffrey.

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I'm not entirely convinced that Cersei put a hit on Tyrion. Joff is more likely, but even then he probably realizes how useful Tyrion is. He probably just hates and respects him. Bronn, on the other hand. Isn't it possible that the Hound just had it in for him? The pair have, of course, not had much screen time together so it's hard for me to cite anything that's an obvious example of these two getting a hate on for eachother, but based on how the scene played out in the brothel, it kind of stands to reason.

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can't be meryn because sers mandon and boros were with tyrion.

also <3 ser dontos cameo

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I don't know who any of these people are :(

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Agree. I also think Stannis is a straight up bawss and had been rooting for him throughout the last episode. The only reason to root for Joff not to die is that it would mean Tyrion would probably die too, and some other obv implications i.e. Cersei, Bronn, etc etc. So from a story perspective it was quite obvious that Stannis' army was going to lose the battle.

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Ed Stark's rolling head says GRRM could have killed or set to the wind every major character in King's Landing.

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Ed Stark's rolling head says GRRM could have killed or set to the wind every major character in King's Landing.

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Yeah, true. Call it retrospective cockyness on my part or what have you. I really wanted Stannis to win, but I refused to let myself believe it because of how I thought it would distort the ongoing story lines.

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Stannis charging in makes sense bc a) he's a legit badass and more importantly b) his host is reduced to dregs, given his combat prowess hIs participation could directly mean the difference between winning and losing.

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So will his death. It is a common movie thing and it makes you look cool and bad-ass, but it is just not realistic to put someone like that in front, when they have to charge through a hail of arrows and rocks to even get to the opposition. You can put your generals and commanders in front to lead, not the guy who is there to become king.

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Wrt your second paragraph, it's a very common motif in game of thrones to set things up where things are obv to the audience but not to the players. This is a type of irony that I forgot the name of.

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Yes but that is not really what I mean here. It looked they were playing this off as being a surprise to the *audience*.