YouTube - PIT BULL FIGHT II
If a pit sets out with the intention to kill you, I can guarantee he'd succeed.
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YouTube - PIT BULL FIGHT II
If a pit sets out with the intention to kill you, I can guarantee he'd succeed.
Perla is only 44 lbs BTW
I seem to remember my brother telling me a story about getting attacked by a dog. He happened to be carrying a 4 d-cell maglite flashlight. One blow and the dog instantly did a 180.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
I'm sorry but no pit I outweigh by 6x is going to kill me if I see it coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
honestly wuf, i know little about pit bulls and even less about you, but you're probably over-estimating your own strength and quickness here and underestimating the pit's.
i still think you're an underdog here (no pun intended)
40 pounds is very light relative to my size and strength, and dogs are not good at killing large adults. Fight dogs are not bred to kill much more than other dogs. Dogs are not solo killers, not extremely explosive, and do not have dynamic attacks. Their tools are inferior to both cat-like and chimp-like attributes. A chimp will make a 40 pound pit look like an infant child. While I'm about 3-4x weaker than a chimp, that's still more than enough strength to send a pit bull out of its strength-zone.
The video actually showed how weak a pit bull really would be against a large man. The fact that the pit attacked the arm and the guy was still standing and able to move his arm around and all that is quite telling. Pit bulls don't kill things that aren't tiny without biting the neck. If I see a pit coming, he's not getting my neck, he probably wouldn't even know to go for it anyways, and then he's getting wrestle-fucked given that I'm about 10x more capable of that sort of fighting than he is.
This changes a lot when the dog simply gets bigger. I still think I would kill a dog that I didn't outweigh by much, but it would be much harder than a small dog that weighs as much as a dumbbell curl warm up
There's a reason the only time dogs kill humans they're children or small women
I could be wrong, I've never seen a grown man fight a pitbull. And "guarantee" was an overstatement on my part, I'll agree.
But add in psychological shock and blood loss that you'd endure, it would definately be an uphill battle of wills.
Meh.. I could so totally kick a pit bulls ass....
Maybe.
Spenda, I take it you would let some random human get mauled to death by a pitbull without trying to intervene? If you wouldn't, then I really don't see how you would not step in to help a pet of yours.
I have a few puppies/dogs, and I would go out fighting like a champ to try and help them in that situation. I'm way more attached to them than random people, but I would still do my best to help a random stranger out also.
what that random person first trying to save a pet?
root canal advice needed from the dental health professionals on FTR:
i've had some problems with my second to back molar on my bottom left side. quick history: cracked/chipped it on hard candy, it developed a pretty nasty cavity, got it filled and capped (i think) a couple years ago, 6 months ago i developed brutal cold sensitivity, which developed into general chronic pain the last couple weeks. i went to the dentist last week. x-ray showed an infection under or in the tooth or something, put on antibiotics, root canal is necessary, and a crown will be put on a few weeks later. the root canal is tentatively scheduled for friday (i.e. in 2 days). note: this will be done by a dentist, not a root canal specialist, but i was very comfortable in the office and with the people (it was my first time there).
i told my brother about this, and he strongly urged me to go to a root canal specialist and had a specific guy to recommend. now i know next to nothing about dental work, but apparently root canals on back teeth can get pretty complicated/messy. i figure that the previous work that i had done might complicate it a bit.
what say you ftr? should i re-schedule?
Going to a specialist sounds like a good idea, but I don't know much about this stuff.
gmml said it. When it's yours it's not "some pet", it's the coolest fucking dog in the world. I think any owner would have to be pretty cold blooded to be able to stand there and watch their dog get ripped apart by another. Plus it's not like it's something you really think about. You just see your little buddy in trouble and have to intervene.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
There's this one video on youtube where it's a pit bull attacking some lab and it's awful to watch. There's like 10 people around the scene and they all just stand there and watch. It's unbelievable. I can't believe someone wouldn't come up from behind the dog and just wishbone that fucker's hind legs or something to immobilize it.
I don't know either, but it's really just gonna depend. If you have good references go with that, if you have a good feeling go with that. I suspect that dentists who do root canals don't do them unless they know how to do them, and most root canals are done by normal dentists anyways. When a dentist doesn't know what to do, generally they will refer to somebody who does. Given that you weren't referred, chances are your guys know what they're doing
I got a root canal from what I think to be a normal dentists' office that does root canals. I think my guy was possibly a rookie, but my tooth had an abnormal, small, hidden, extra canal, and he caught it. I think a lot of guys would have missed it. Really just depends. My preference would be to go someplace nice where I'm comfortable and make damn sure they have laughing gas. You don't really know if you need to see an endodontist unless you know you should see an endodontist, I guess
Also, call the office. Ask for some cred or something. Your dentist may be fully trained for this already
For real. I'll jump on a cougar if he messes with my dachshund. Well, my dachshund is dead, but if I ever got another one....I ain't standing by while some punk ass bitch attacking her doesn't pay the priceQuote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
totally agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
haven't seen the videoQuote:
There's this one video on youtube where it's a pit bull attacking some lab and it's awful to watch. There's like 10 people around the scene and they all just stand there and watch. It's unbelievable. I can't believe someone wouldn't come up from behind the dog and just wishbone that fucker's hind legs or something to immobilize it.
but there's absolutely, positively no way that if a random dog is getting attacked by a pitbull that i'm going to insert myself into that fight.
edit: maybe give me a baseball bat or something and i might
thanks for the advices, wuf
I dunno, man. I love my dogs and two of the worst days of my life were putting two of them down, but at the end of the day, it's a dog. You need to make the executive decision to sacrifice your pet to preserve yourself. You don't want to make it and you feel shit about making it, but you should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
Especially, if your dog is in a fight with a black bear or some shit. I might choose to intervene with a pit bull, since I'm not sure a pit bull would also fuck me up gravely.
edit if it was 10 on 1 pitbull on 1 lab, I would intervene and be calling for others too as well. Then you can blame the resulting scars on the depths of society's rotting and bag some goth-y college chicks.
If after assessing the situation (as best you can under such circumstances), you felt there was absolutely nothing you intervening would do, then I can see not stepping in. But personally, for the people or pets that I care about, if there was any chance of me intervening helping, I would definitely do my best to try. I really don't see me being able to just stand by and watch it happen without at least trying something.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
idk.. Dogs are fucking awesome. There is definitely merit to the "man's best friend" saying imo.
I know my dog would do it for me. No chance in hell would I worry about stopping a pit bull vs my dog. I have a much better chance of coming out of it than he does. The pit bull won't kill me and I may get hurt, but there will be a carcass.
I'm with jyms. Part of my responsibility as a dog owner is to protect them and I'd never let them down. I got in the face of a big Rottweiler this past summer that was trying to get at one of my Bostons. Thankfully, the Rotty backed down immediately (turned out he was a 'puppy' with no social skills), but if he hadn't there's no way I wasn't going to take him on.
Agreed. I thought we were talking about some 45 lb trained man-destroyer or like your dog is attacked by a bear or cougar.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
These are fights that if my dog can't handle it on his own, I doubt my jumping into the fight will help anyone. I could only attempt to scare the other thing off.
If we're talking about a class of beast less than man-killers, then yeah I'll jump in.
15 edits later - Today is one of those days where I can't seem to write a damn thing well. I'm having the worst email-spec-memo-writers-block.
Well if it happens to be something like a bear or cougar attacking the dog the situation is greatly different. Whereas with a pit bull, at the very least I can have him redirect his aggression towards me, which as jyms said I have a better shot than any of my dogs would (fucking pussies). But against a bear, he would just maul the shit out of both of us, likely at the same time if I tried to intervene. I guess that is when I would make use of these nifty hands I have and try to distract him, or use something nearby as a weapon.
My dog could probably shred me up if he were rabid and hungry and didn't think I was the single most awesome collection particles in the known universe. But that's probably true of a lot of animals.
So, if a bear is mauling a lady friend, does the same logic apply? Are you just gonna threaten the bear loudly and look around for a stick?Quote:
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Not bunnies.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
If a bear is running at my lady friend, I'd tell her to stand tall. If the bear is mauling my lady friend, she's probably dead.
It's like that video of the father who was attacked by lions when he got out of his car on safari. There were other men around and they knew they couldn't do shit. No guns - no chance. They just waved and screamed while the lions casually ate the man (in front of his wife and kids, no less)
edit And here you go - NSFW - Video - Wild Lions Eat Man Alive - ToxicJunction.com - NSFL
Just my general point on the whole conversation, if you work out you feel like you're a strong cut of meat, but humans are generally pretty soft compared to similarly sized animals the world over. If it's a fight between man and just any random animal interested in killing the man, I'd bet the animals tend to win out.
Wrong. You grab his wang (or apply an insertion in the case of a mama-bear).Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
If I still get et, that's fine with me...at least I went out like I lived.
Yes, I agree. Humans are slow, fat, and weak. But we're smart enough to team up, form battle plans, and make/use weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Distinctions need to be made. If a cougar attacks my dog, I'm all over him. Cougars are pussies and the only way one kills me if he catches me by surprise. Cougars are pretty afraid of bodily harm, so coming at them in a way they don't expect or fighting back scares them off. They're not tough enough to kill a grown man in a fair fight without a fight, and they won't stick around for the full fight, so I'm saving my dog from a cougar
Any of the actual big cats e.g. tigers, lions, leopards, is an entirely different story. Tigers and lions will kill the pet instantly and you as well. A leopard will torture you first. Brown bears are also a no go. Black bears OTOH are somewhat of a mystery. You can't convince a grizzly to be scared if he's already coming at you, but you can with a black bear. Unless they're hungry or protecting young. I'm not sure what my line is, but because I know I'm not losing a fight to any dog on the planet or a cougar, I'll save my pet from them unless the cougar is protecting young or the dogs are in a pack. But once you get into leopard, hyena, bear territory you're going to lose if they decide to keep fighting
whoa, just got a huge (for me) bonus from full tilt i forgot i signed up for, sweet!
But would you fight a pitbull for it?
Wow, you really didn't just sully one of the most epic threads on FTR with poker content did you? Not to mention the commune.Quote:
Originally Posted by couriermike
this is why they make .44 magnums. maybe .357 if you're a true badass.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
lol, is that not allowed? i thought this was the thread for random thoughts. should i delete it? sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by jyms
At this one shelter I worked at, we had this vicious pit that had a court case. Beautiful red pit bull. Its name was KB, dogs with drug names or gambling names are always trouble. Well, when you walked up to its run, it would always jump at you and snap at your face, but when no one was around, it would finally lie down. So, I took to catching him lying down, and popping a treat in his cage. Pretty soon, he'd lie down whenever I approached. Lol, the laws of animal learning are inexorable. I still wouldn't go in his run with him though, not without the pole.
I think an adult human could take most any dog, once you got your hands on its neck, but you'd def get mauled in the process.
There's like 20 fatal dog attacks in the US each year, out of about 60 million dog owning households, and half of those are little dogs that get in the crib and treat baby like a chew toy. Dogs are cool. Alot of people treat 'em like babies though, and that's trouble with a strange dog.
what would you do in this spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
YouTube - ? ? Crazed Mother Deer Attacks Dog and Cat- (WARNING Crazy Video) ? ?
How much of a fucking moron is the cat owner? All mammals will go absolutely crazy to protect their young, a friend's girlfriend was lucky to escape with a few broken ribs recently when she walked her dog in a field of cows and their calves. The cat owner there should insta put down the camera, pick up the cat and lock it indoors the second it approaches the baby deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
In terms of what I'd do as the dog owner? Assuming that in Canada deers are hunted and therefore shitscared of people, look for an intimidating looking weapon like a broomstick or dustbin lid and run towards the deer making as much noise as possible, angling my approach so that the deer's retreat sends it straight towards the calf. But jeez, people need to be less retarded about their pets.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I sure as hell wouldn't sit there screaming.. I mean wtf does that help?
I guess my first thought would be to look for some sort of weapon. Then attack. I don't think I have to kill the animal, so much as break them up. There's somewhat of a decent chance that if I break the Deer's aggression on the dog up, that he would then either feel threatened by the both of us, me, or feel his job is done that he would scamper off. If not, I probably fuck a deer up.
that's just an assumption though right, you'd be taking a huge risk going into that. Let's say you know you'd be killed 5% of the time, are you still going into the fray?
If it's my dog, that deer gets her shit pushed in
That was harder to watch than the lion attack video.
I was actually in a situation last summer that was somewhat similar.
I have a Golden Retriever and a Chocolate Lab. At the time we had a fenced in backyard so instead of walking the dogs 3-4 times a day, we would just let them run around in the backyard etc. Our neighbors next door had 2 brendle pits (male and female) and a pretty young son ( 6 or so). You're average American family.
The boy, dad, and 2 dogs were in there backyard and the boy apparently walked over to the chain link fence to pet my dogs. Bear (the golden) was licking him or jumping on the fence or whatever excited dogs do when someone shows them attention, and the male pit hurdled the fence and and latched on to Bear's front right leg.
I wasn't outside for this but the neighbor comes pounding on my door, incredibly panicked and half-assed, out of breath, tried to fill me in while rushing me to the back door.
I've seen some ridiculous things over the years (brutal ass whippings, saw a guy get stabbed at a pool hall, 3guys1hammer over the interwebs, etc) and none of that compares to the way i felt seeing my defenseless dog getting mauled.
Anyways, I tell him to get his kid in the fucking house, ran inside and grabbed the little .25 beretta I keep above the fridge. I'll keep the graphics to a minimum but I had to put the first shot into his abdomen area since the neck or higher meant Bear would be collateral damage.
The dog wasn't going to make it so I did what I felt was morally correct after that, plus even if he did survive the first shot, my neighbor would have to put him down. As much as I hated that goddamn dog at the time, it was absolutely without a doubt the toughest thing I have ever done and easily ranks #1 worst day of my life thus far.
On a good note though: After $2500 worth of anesthesia, surgery, stitches, and medicine (paid for by the neighbor obv) Bear is back to normal and still the most awesome golden on the face of the planet.
But after seeing my shaved, stitched up, doped out little buddy (who had to wear one of those Elizabethan collars for 2 weeks after) I can't say I regret what I did and put in that situation again, I would make the same decision.
I'd never be able to assess the situation that accurately with adrenaline flowing. I feel like a the fight or flight mentality would be invoked (where flight is just stand by idly while your little buddy gets his shit stomped in), and I would fight. And this would occur without much consideration to how often I am to be injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Obviously the question becomes harder as the risk I am putting myself into arises. I wouldn't sacrifice my life for the life of my dogs. I wouldn't go in knowing I would die, and they would live.
What happens to the pet the 5% of the time I die? Do they also die? Do they live? I assume the 95% of the time I am successful that the pet also lives?
Honestly, I feel that 5% is too low of an imminent danger for me not to help.
People expect that they will die some percentage of the time that they go to war, yet hey still do, and the reasoning is a lot less solid than helping out a loved companion who is in immediate danger. There is risk with skydiving, yet people take that risk for the shear enjoyment. I'd like to think I'd be willing to take that risk to help out a friend.
Would you help out a loved family member or friend who is getting attacked if you knew you would die 10% of the time? 20%? Where do you draw the line for these people you care about?
just remembered a somewhat funny exchange at the dentist's office..
so the assistant is flirting with me/playfully touching me while inquiring about my tooth pain, and the topic of which pain relievers i typically use comes up (ibuprofin, aspirin, etc). i say that i really don't use those very often. then she asks what i would normally take for a headache, and i (truthfully) said that i can't remember the last time that i had one. she gave me this blank sort of...um... ok.... (new subject, more playful touching)
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Originally Posted by Lukie
she wasn't that attractive, unfortunately
random aside, how come animated GIFs are super slow and choppy? this is true both for your sig and in other places, like the lolthread
i know chrome slows them down, but them not performing well is probably just a data processing issue
Total epicness itt.
and wuf, you can't take a pitbull. Jim can, bit you can't.
Maybe not, but I can take a rottweiler a.k.a. a big ass dog a.k.a. your mom
Damn, DTB. That's crazy. Did you buy that gun for your wife?
http://www.covertcarrier.com/sitebui...d25beretta.jpg
This is not a dig at the gun or your ownership thereof. I own a sissier pistol.
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/ima...WAP90000-1.jpg
Walther P22 3.5"
Ahem...
next to you my mama looks like a barbie dollQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Yeah, I like to keep a little gut gun around the house that my gf could handle if need be. Page 62 of this thread I (Under the 'OP' account) talk about getting robbed at gunpoint in my house and after that I've kept firearms around.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I also ended up buying a 12G Remington and a .357 S&W. While it's funny as shit to watch her shoot them, no way in hell i trust her to use either in a panicked state.
I have a Remington bolt action .30-06 which is > Remington any gauge.
You crazy Virginians and you're crazy deer rifles
dropthebanana i think it's your, not you're in that sentence.
Five years ago at 180 pounds I couldn't do a single pull up, now at 240 I can do three. Soooo like I said, better shape than most, but worse shape than I should be since I haven't exercised in foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
I can't do any at my weight, but I have had 2 shoulder surgeries in the last 10 years too.
Injuries are such a bitch. I went so heavy on deadlifts and squats with such frequency that I got to the point that I couldn't even sit on the pot without hip pain.
Were you doing a lot of stretching at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I was also doing a lot of heavy squats and deadlifts a few years ago which led to some injuries. I figured I just wasn't stretching often enough back then.
What else can I do to avoid injuries if I decide to start going heavy again?
one time my buddies rot and pit were going at it and i stupidly tried to separate them and the pit bit me in the ass rofl it sucked i was bleeding from my butt cheek.
Don't go too heavy with too high of frequency, keep up on flexibility, and the most important is, when things hurt, stop doing them and don't start up again until they don't hurt anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by JL
I can do 3 pull-at-bars. Where I hang there and pull at the bar.
Injuries come from several things, improper warm up, improper form, increasing the amount of weight you lift before the connective tissues have time to adapt and grow or from overuse/lack of recuperation. I can tell you that you should never stretch cold muscles before exercise because you strain the connective tissue too much when cold muscles are inelastic. The best warm up for weight training as well as all sports is doing sport specific training. What that means is do lighter work that is exactly like the work your going to do. Lighter reps with good range of motion, or skating and shooting if your going to play hockey, Swing a bat and do some sprints for baseball and throw the ball around.
Stretch between exercises, periods, quarters or even after as a warm down to get more flexible.
re: baseball, that is such a good point. I wish I would have spent more time during my career swinging the bat/going to the cages and throwing the ball around, especially long toss. Not that the weight-work was bad or anything because that clearly helps but I certainly could have benefited from more baseball-specific stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
I guess I'm lucky in the sense that I've never really been that strong in the legs, and it hasn't been due to lack of effort. For example, I can't below-parallel squat as much as I can bench and never have been able to. I'll be honest in that I haven't put quite as much effort into lower body as I have upper, but I've tried much much harder than the average gym-goer. I was always an extremely fast runner though.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
You probably have long legs and a long back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Legs and back are the sexiest muscles on a man. Both homo and no homo. For a while, I tapered down upper pressing work solely because I wanted to focus on those two areas. For both function and aesthetics, they're very underrated. Strong legs and hips up function way more than any other areas, and a big back is the main thing that makes men look buff or imposing or whatever. You can see somebody with abs or arms or a chest or whatever and they can still be pussies, but if you see a big back, you know he doesn't fuck around
I could be a little biased though because the most enviable physiques I've ever seen were olympic lifters by far, and nobody works the back the way they do
1. you're rightQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
2. I totally agree with you
I actually remember mentioning the bench > squat thing on Lyle's forum once. He said something to the effect of picking up golfing instead. THen I said every damn shot always goes off to the right, what do I do? He actually gave a thoughtful response after that. This is before he went off the deep end and started yelling at everyone for swearing.
it must be funny seeing a guy struggle with ~200 lb for 8ish reps in the squat rack (in fairness I went deep and had excellent reps) then see him bang out 10 +45 weighted chins the next day.
Wait, what? He does that now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
yeah, he's a grumpy old man now.
this is the new site, not monkey island
Oh yeah I figured it was the other site.
Lyle was never somebody you could talk sense to unless it was straight out of a book, so he made a bunch of business decisions that reflected his personality. My read is that the chick he fell in love with finally convinced him to do things like separate the meanies from the product
yeah, I mean I don't have any problem with how he runs his site. There's more free info there than I'll ever need. It's just funny to see him blow up in threads or make a new post every 2 months about how pissed off everyone is making him and how everyone should stfu with the swearing/complaining or stop posting.
When I was doing grease the groove stuff I could do 9-10 dead hang chins at ~165 and a triple at bw+35
As soon as I stop doing a bunch this goes down significantly, did 5 tough ones the other day. Always had a weak back.