*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

So this story wasn't widely reported yesterday, though it was 'around'. The only mainstream outlet that I could find featuring it prominently was NBC. They ran a story saying this lady wanted to come to America, couldn't, then died. It seems dubious that denial of access to America could kill a person, or that a transcontinental flight would have saved her life, but NBC ran the story anyway.

You could say Fox's lack of coverage here indicates bias. They don't want to criticize the President's policies or alienate their viewers who support the president's policies.

Or....perhaps they like their stories to be backed up with facts.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/02...ravel-ban.html

banana is going to send kids to school from 7am to 7pm and tell them to get a job when they're 14? I hope he's going to give these same 14 y/o kids the vote.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

banana is going to send kids to school from 7am to 7pm and tell them to get a job when they're 14? I hope he's going to give these same 14 y/o kids the vote.

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Why? I started working at 15. Couldn't vote until I was 18. There wasn't an election until I was 20.

and "school" isn't 12 hours long. It will be the same amount of classroom time, perhaps a little more. It's just interspersed throughout a 12 hour day rather than crammed into a 7 hour day. And the rest of the time will offer kids plenty to do, like extra gym class so kids stop getting so friggen fat.

I'm open to the idea of a 14 year old voting. If my plan works, they'll be smarter and more informed that most 18 year olds today, by far.

Or maybe we'll do something like give the kid and the parent a civic competency test of some kind. If the kid passes, and the parent doesn't, the kid gets to proxy-vote for his parent.

I was playing football age 15. If some cunt told me I had to get a job, he'd have got a right mouthful off me. What do you intend to do with children like me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of-GZM2CEB8

Fuck that Bill O'Reilly is dumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cP74QzyrLw

I remember watching those years back. Loved em. Stewart is very convincing.

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I was playing football age 15. If some cunt told me I had to get a job, he'd have got a right mouthful off me. What do you intend to do with children like me?

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Would the same not happen now you're 30ish?

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I was playing football age 15. If some cunt told me I had to get a job, he'd have got a right mouthful off me. What do you intend to do with children like me?

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Send them to Syria

From now on refugee admittance is on a TRADE-ONLY basis. One for one. We'll take in a Syrian, they take in one ungrateful brat.

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Fuck that Bill O'Reilly is dumb

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The guy is on for a full hour every weeknight and you had to go back five years to find an example of him losing a debate. Yeah, he's probably real fuckin dumb.

http://i.imgur.com/sPP29KJ.jpg

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Would the same not happen now you're 30ish?

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"30ish"

Thanks, I'm 38 tomorrow.

And yes, probably. But that's besides the point... at 15, I'm a kid. At 38, I'm an adult. I can't say "fuck off, I'm just a kid" anymore, as much as I'd love to.

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Send them to Syria

From now on refugee admittance is on a TRADE-ONLY basis. One for one. We'll take in a Syrian, they take in one ungrateful brat.

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Right.

So, when you say to some American 15 y/o "get a job", and he replies "get fucked, I wanna play football", you're gonna take him into a war zone and dump him there?

I like how you refer to said child as "ungrateful", as if he should be grateful about the fact you've taken away his childhood by forcing him to go to 12 hours of school a day, and now want to take away his teenage years too, just so he can pay tax, boost the economy, and make you look like a good President, instead of some fucked up oppressive arsehole that thinks the nation's children are there for your Presidential benefit, and for the economic good of others.

I think you need a more serious means of dealing with twats like me, because this idea of yours might cost you a few votes.

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The guy is on for a full hour every weeknight and you had to go back five years to find an example of him losing a debate. Yeah, he's probably real fuckin dumb.

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Unlike you I don't watch him every night, so for all I know he just rants and raves at everyone he interviews.

And yeah he is fucking dumb cause he works for Fox.

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Originally Posted by BananaStand

Send them to Syria

From now on refugee admittance is on a TRADE-ONLY basis. One for one. We'll take in a Syrian, they take in one ungrateful brat.

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Sounds like a very authoritarian style of rule to me. Makes sense why you like Trump now.

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at 15, I'm a kid. At 38, I'm an adult. I can't say "fuck off, I'm just a kid" anymore, as much as I'd love to.

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So now you see the whole point of my agenda. We're making 15 year old adults now.

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So, when you say to some American 15 y/o "get a job", and he replies "get fucked, I wanna play football", you're gonna take him into a war zone and dump him there?

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Inner city streets are pretty much just as dangerous.

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I like how you refer to said child as "ungrateful", as if he should be grateful about the fact you've taken away his childhood by forcing him to go to 12 hours of school a day,

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Do you have kids? Because this sounds hopelessly out of touch. Households with one working parent are not nearly as commonplace as they used to be. The majority of middle class families have two working parents. That means, the kid has to do something when he gets out of school. For that, there are YMCA's, after school programs, day cares, camps, etc etc etc. What do these places all have in common? They're open til 7, and they cost money.

I'm simply subsidizing that practice with government dollars saved by not paying for high schools. I have 3 kids. They get out of school at 2 or 3 and they get bussed to a YMCA where there are lots of other kids, activities, etc. They stay there until 6 when I pick them up. My ex wife pays for it every week, and every month I send her $1,000 just to cover my half. Imagine if that money got put back into middle class households.

Kids are already out of the house for 12 hours at a time. That's the reality faced by a working class household. I'm just making it better, and free.

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and now want to take away his teenage years too, just so he can pay tax, boost the economy, and make you look like a good President, instead of some fucked up oppressive arsehole that thinks the nation's children are there for your Presidential benefit, and for the economic good of others.

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I'm not taking anything away. When I was 16 I pulled a 3.7 GPA, worked 20 hours per week at a supermarket, and played both Football (the good kind), and Lacrosse. What I'm proposing significantly cuts down on the amount of school hours a 16 year old needs every day, so if anything, I'm giving time back to teenagers, not taking it away.

Also, I'm not sure I specified anything about paying tax. I doubt these kids would pay anything on a low wage, part time job.

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I think you need a more serious means of dealing with twats like me, because this idea of yours might cost you a few votes.

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I think a popular exasperation with folks who wanna do nothing is what's going to get me elected.

http://i.imgur.com/A4aoWmA.jpg

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/...is-family.html

I don't know about this one.....I guess I feel bad for the guy and all. But a gofundme page seeking donations for limo repairs??

What ever happened to insurance?

I remember hearing about that. I'm guessing it got big because of the shitlib hypocrisy that Trump supporters love so much. Shitlibs riot against the guy they say wants to murder Muslims, and in doing so torch a Muslim's car.

The man is a philosopher genius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGYQz7cy4Po

https://i.redd.it/mm940b88sndy.gif

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-...led-it-w463995

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http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-...led-it-w463995

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Shitlib Sign #43: What somebody means doesn't matter as long as you can find a technical error. In that case, they are dogshit and you are brilliant.

What's Actually Going On #82: "Sorry to interrupt you while you're fixing America, but shitlibs are going bananas over something that doesn't matter. How should we respond?"

"Let the dog chase its tail."

fucking looool

http://imgur.com/a/FNzNE

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Shitlib Sign #43: What somebody means doesn't matter as long as you can find a technical error. In that case, they are dogshit and you are brilliant.

What's Actually Going On #82: "Sorry to interrupt you while you're fixing America, but shitlibs are going bananas over something that doesn't matter. How should we respond?"

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No-one's going bananas over this, it's just funny 'cause it shows he's an idiot.

Kind of like how he tweeted his own password out before (twice).

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"Let the dog chase its tail."

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You forgot to attribute that to someone notable. Fake news bad, fake quotes ok.

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I think a popular exasperation with folks who wanna do nothing is what's going to get me elected.

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Here's where you haven't got to know me yet. I don't wanna do nothing. I want to grow weed, but the law stops me doing so. I'm de facto retired until they change the law.

roflcopter

https://i.imgur.com/yEsEjn3.jpg

Sadly I have confirmed that FBIanon is not telling the truth. Confirmation came via my impeccable Werewolf skills.

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Here's where you haven't got to know me yet. I don't wanna do nothing. I want to grow weed, but the law stops me doing so. I'm de facto retired until they change the law.

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The law's not stopping you from doing it. It's just making you afraid to. All the materials you need are legal to buy, and there's a market out there. Now THRIVE!

Or, accept that maybe the world isn't gonna serve up your #1 dream exactly the way you want it and find a fall back.

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Or, accept that maybe the world isn't gonna serve up your #1 dream exactly the way you want it and find a fall back.

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I think Ong should join the army.

http://www.vox.com/2017/2/14/1461731...ansparency-oil

Draining the swamp.

Holy Shit!! Need any more proof the democratic party is going down the toilet?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/...WL1?li=BBnb7Kz

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Holy Shit!! Need any more proof the democratic party is going down the toilet?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/...WL1?li=BBnb7Kz

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Look at the state of the GOP

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/16/po...ent-elections/

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Look at the state of the GOP

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Not seeing your point. If Trump can get elected President, and Kid Rock is a viable candidate for Senate, what does that say about their opposition?

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Not seeing your point. If Trump can get elected President, and Kid Rock is a viable candidate for Senate, what does that say about their opposition?

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Seriously though, the absolute state of it

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLIT...ates.announce/

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Seriously though, the absolute state of it

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLIT...ates.announce/

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Dude....how can you knock Arnold? Four decades...nothin but net!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldIwEG9xQ-M

Think democrats will get the message?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...WFz?li=BBnbcA1

Unnamed Democrat would get beaten as badly. Once the name comes and the attacks come, everything changes. Clinton was ahead of the field by like 35 points at this time in the cycle. Political pundits (you know, those guys who don't understand politics) thought she was unbeatable because of that.

Honestly I'm not sure if the Democrats could do better than Warren right now. They would have to abandon their identity politics and their leftism. That ain't gonna happen; those have always been the purpose of the party.

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Honestly I'm not sure if the Democrats could do better than Warren right now. They would have to abandon their identity politics and their leftism. That ain't gonna happen; those have always been the purpose of the party.

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Almost feels like a catch 22. Hillary tried for such broad-appeal that she ended up having no message. That hurt her. Warren has a message, and she still loses.

Perhaps Clinton didn't have a coherent explicit message. The implicit one was very coherent: if you're a white working Christian male with a family, fuck you. If you're a woman or outside of the mainstream in any way, you're a victim and I'm here to save you.

Warren may even lose 2018. The GOP party leadership is actively making her the face of the 2018 democrats. I wonder if Curt Schilling can beat her. Probably not, but you never know. Her being the face of Dems 2018 will go a long way to getting lots of red wins in other states though.

I will bet everything I have on Warren if Schilling is her opponent.

If he didn't border-jump, I'd say Scott Brown could beat her in a rematch

Why are you bearish on Schilling?

The only thing I know is that he's a baseball hero and says some stuff that people call him a prick for. Just the kind of thing that Massholes love. He'd get like 20% of the vote on baseball alone. Another 10% by being an asshole. I could be completely off on him since I know little. Enlighten me.

About Scott Brown, honestly I think he might be too boring or middle of the road. He does things like say "she didn't tell the truth about heritage" and nobody cares. But if instead her opponent calls her Pocahontas every day then voters would say "I don't like how she didn't tell the truth about her heritage."

Plus she's got the "goofy" branding, which is probably A-.

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Why are you bearish on Schilling?

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Granted it's only anecdotal evidence, but I listen a fair bit to new england sports talk radio, and no one seems to have anything good to say about Mr. Schilling. The consensus seems to be that people find him insufferable.

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he's a baseball hero and says some stuff that people call him a prick for. Just the kind of thing that Massholes love.

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Massholes love guys like that cause they like to hate on people. Like, Massholes would love it if Roger Goodell ran for Senate in the Bay State. That doesn't mean they'd vote for the guy.

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Granted it's only anecdotal evidence, but I listen a fair bit to new england sports talk radio, and no one seems to have anything good to say about Mr. Schilling. The consensus seems to be that people find him insufferable.

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I've heard that of late sports newscasting has become highly virtue signally.

Among other elites, Trump has probably always been the single most hated elite. We saw how that turned out. Elites live in a bubble that doesn't include average people.

If sports elites don't like Schilling, honestly I think that could be a sign of strength because it could possibly signal that Schilling is liked by average people.

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Think democrats will get the message?

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I think it'll be funny to see people who haven't even begun to understand what went on and will just start forcing through mental picks in various positions because they think that's what it was.

That being said of the cool as fuck people I could actually back running for a political role

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kane_(...#Personal_life

Unfortunately he'd come across more as a boring insurance person than the big red machine.

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If sports elites don't like Schilling, honestly I think that could be a sign of strength because it could possibly signal that Schilling is liked by average people.

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Maybe. I just know I don't hear a lot of people getting pumped for Schilling. Most commentary I hear is along the lines of "fat joke".

I don't think it's comparable to Trump's situation. Trump has decades of business success to run on. Schilling's business ventures went down the tubes. Even his baseball career was 'meh'.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/mlb...tml/?a=viewall

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Curt Schilling has been called a lot of things during and after his career in baseball, but popular was never one of them.

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I think it'll be funny to see people who haven't even begun to understand what went on and will just start forcing through mental picks in various positions because they think that's what it was.

That being said of the cool as fuck people I could actually back running for a political role

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kane_(...#Personal_life

Unfortunately he'd come across more as a boring insurance person than the big red machine.

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Hulk Hogan would make a cool president imo. "What'dya gonna dooo when America invades youuu!"

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Hulk Hogan would make a cool president imo. "What'dya gonna dooo when America invades youuu!"

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Never happen. He'd say "brother" too many times and alienate both women and black people.

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Hulk Hogan would make a cool president imo. "What'dya gonna dooo when America invades youuu!"

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4tfzcIXUAEW9by.jpg

Trump v McMahon Wrestlemania 2018.

Also fucking lol at how similar her hand placement is on that kids chest compared to the whole Pizza related photo posted.

(I assume the photo is a joke of some kind I don't get really get so just ignore it)

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4tfzcIXUAEW9by.jpg

Trump v McMahon Wrestlemania 2018.

Also fucking lol at how similar her hand placement is on that kids chest compared to the whole Pizza related photo posted.

(I assume the photo is a joke of some kind I don't get really get so just ignore it)

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She's obviously copping a feel of the girl's future breast. Fucking pizza eater.

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Maybe. I just know I don't hear a lot of people getting pumped for Schilling. Most commentary I hear is along the lines of "fat joke".

I don't think it's comparable to Trump's situation. Trump has decades of business success to run on. Schilling's business ventures went down the tubes. Even his baseball career was 'meh'.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/mlb...tml/?a=viewall

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Trump was definitely "a joke" before he announced. Even after, long after. Still a joke after he won. Still a joke after the Dow demonstrated that he is better for the safety and prosperity of the world than Obama was and Clinton would have been.

I thought Schilling was considered a Red Sox hero. ??

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I thought Schilling was considered a Red Sox hero. ??

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I can't speak for every red sox fan out there, and I'm certainly the least qualified person to comment on baseball. But, it seems to me, that no one around here gives a flying frisbee about Curt Schilling. The bloody sock game was dramatic, sure, but he also got shelled in Game 1 of that series. In fact, he wasn't even the biggest hero of that series, Johnny Damon's grand slam seems to be what people remember.

But then they remember that Johnny shaved his beard and moved to the Bronx. So.....fuck him.

Schilling is probably on the low B-list or high C-list when it comes to Boston sports heroes. This is what happens when a city gets tired of winning.

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Trump was definitely "a joke" before he announced. Even after, long after. Still a joke after he won. Still a joke after the Dow demonstrated that he is better for the safety and prosperity of the world than Obama was and Clinton would have been.

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Luls at the Dow demonstrating anything other than Wall Street ejaculating over the upcoming tax breaks and deregulation, such as the one I linked earlier on this page.

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Luls at the Dow demonstrating anything other than Wall Street ejaculating over the upcoming tax breaks and deregulation, such as the one I linked earlier on this page.

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Yep. And, what you just said, shows that the Dow believes Trump is better for safety and prosperity than Obama was and Clinton would be.

The Dow is by leaps and bounds the best single source of information about the world. The next best source isn't even close, and it would be a different stock exchange anyways.

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Yep. And, what you just said, shows that the Dow believes Trump is better for safety and prosperity than Obama was and Clinton would be.

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I agree, with a minor éclaircissement. Amend "better for safety and prosperity" with "of our corporate overlords, but cares fuck-all about anyone else's", and we're quite accurate. If anything, Trump seems to be bullish regarding war, conflict and pissing everybody on the globe off, apart from those willing to do lucrative business deals with him and/or stay at his hotels.

I think it's absolutely clear that Dow is excited about the upcoming dismissal of pesky regulation such as Dodd-Frank, oil company transparency, EPA, FDA etc. What's good for the small number of megacorporations and their shareholders that mainly influence the Dow, has very little bearing on what's good for the consumer.

https://i.imgur.com/hqdDBNk.jpg

Do that with FTR wuf, I dare ya.

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I agree, with a minor éclaircissement. Amend "better for safety and prosperity" with "of our corporate overlords, but cares fuck-all about anyone else's", and we're quite accurate. If anything, Trump seems to be bullish regarding war, conflict and pissing everybody on the globe off, apart from those willing to do lucrative business deals with him and/or stay at his hotels.

I think it's absolutely clear that Dow is excited about the upcoming dismissal of pesky regulation such as Dodd-Frank, oil company transparency, EPA, FDA etc. What's good for the small number of megacorporations and their shareholders that mainly influence the Dow, has very little bearing on what's good for the consumer.

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The price level changes represent information impacts in virtually the entire economy. There is no better single source of determining expectations for that which is good for consumers than behavior of stock prices on the Dow.

If Trump was bullish on war, stock prices would fall (by a lot). Stock prices give us all sorts of empirical information regarding claims.

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Do that with FTR wuf, I dare ya.

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What do you mean?

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What do you mean?

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FTR is its own "area of human activity".

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FTR is its own "area of human activity".

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Neat idea.

Even though analogy is not persuasive, to somebody who is already open to being persuaded, by analogy "doing it for FTR" would be very enlightening at how ridiculous the logic identified as SJW is when applied to broader society.

This is because "doing it for FTR" would include things like "those better at debate are oppressing those worse at it" and "those better at debate should be hated." Both claims are clearly stupid. Understanding that they're stupid opens the door to understanding why something like a demographic that makes more money than another is not oppressing the other.

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What's good for the small number of megacorporations and their shareholders that mainly influence the Dow, has very little bearing on what's good for the consumer.

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Changes in the DOW reflect investor confidence. If the DOW goes up, there is less uncertainty, hence more confidence in taking risks, hence higher stock prices. That's good for everybody. Those 'megacorporations' have to sell things. If there is confidence in their ability to sell, then we must also have confidence in consumer's ability to buy.

The confidence fuels new investment, and deters sell-offs. That means more capital. Which means more investment, more innovation, and more jobs.

The DJIA tracks 30, yes 30 stocks, and even those are weighed to give higher priced stocks more influence. It has very little correlation with the stock market, let alone the economy as a whole.

Your argument seems to be that the latest surge is due to investors believing Trump will have a stabilizing effect, lack of uncertainty so to speak. Exactly how everyone would describe the Trump administration, right? I on the other hand believe that Trump's aggressive deregulations will heavily favor the 30 stocks and their shareholders, causing their price to hike. I guess we'll never know.

Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo stocks have gone up ~25% since the election. So obviously they're feeling very comfortable with Trump in charge.

Can someone explain how that helps the average person?

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Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo stocks have gone up ~25% since the election. So obviously they're feeling very comfortable with Trump in charge.

Can someone explain how that helps the average person?

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They have very broad holdings, and what their holdings represent go far beyond what they are explicitly.

If there's an activity (like a deregulation) in the housing market and then a bank with a large proportion of its assets in housing sees a stock rally, this means that investors view the housing market as a whole as increasing in respective value. The cynic may look at that and just think that it benefits the bank because the rally is in that bank's stock, but what's really going on is the rally in the bank's stock is coming from the value increase in the market itself, which is made up of homeowners themselves, whose home values are expected to rally. This means that that activity that initially sparked the rally benefits the individual homeowner.

Furthermore, it means that particular activity benefits every sector of the economy since benefiting homeowners on average means their demand for other products services will increase.

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The DJIA tracks 30, yes 30 stocks

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Those 30 are good enough to show the effect I described above. Those 30 companies are selected specifically to best represent the economy as a whole.

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Those 30 are good enough to show the effect I described above. Those 30 companies are selected specifically to best represent the economy as a whole.

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You're right. Pretty much the only people who disagree with that are economists, who tend to criticize the DJIA heavily and favor S&P500 or Wilshire5000.

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...72&oe=5942BDDF

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The DJIA tracks 30, yes 30 stocks, It has very little correlation with the stock market,

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I have no idea why you would think that. 3 out of 4 stocks move with the market.

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I on the other hand believe that Trump's aggressive deregulations will heavily favor the 30 stocks

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Great, that means favorable results for 75% of the market as well.

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Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo stocks have gone up ~25% since the election. So obviously they're feeling very comfortable with Trump in charge.

Can someone explain how that helps the average person?

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They're the firms responsible for financing economic growth. They're the ones loaning out the money to support new businesses, expansions, and research. For their stock to go up that much, it means the market is expecting one or both of the following
1) Profits - which is tied to the volume of loans and investments these companies make. If more money is going out the door....it's gotta be going somewhere. Jobs!
2) Cash Flows - which is tied to the collection of principal and interest on those loans and investments. In other words, people paying their bills. If people are paying their bills....then business is good.

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I have no idea why you would think that. 3 out of 4 stocks move with the market.

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My understanding is that no actual economist claims that DJIA should be used to represent the market. Also, 63% != 2/3 but 75% = accurate?

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Great, that means favorable results for 75% of the market as well.

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The stock market can surely affect the economy and it does follow it, but I wouldn't start claiming that it represents its health.

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Also, 63% != 2/3 but 75% = accurate?

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Wow, you guys here are gonna be dick-holes over this forever huh?

If you want to change the constitution, it's not ok to equate 63% and 2/3. The difference matters.

And 75% out of a population of thousands and thousands of stocks is most definitely a meaningful trend.

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Wow, you guys here are gonna be dick-holes over this forever huh?

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We, whoever that is, never forget.

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We, whoever that is, never forget.

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Great. So when the bill to eliminate the electoral college fails in the senate by a vote of 63-37.....remember who called it