Just wandering since Ongabonga has been raised from the dead , he doesn't get his power back as before , right ? So now there's 9 of us villagers against 4 wolves/vampires and 2 special powered people . Were winning , weeeeeee , lol . GO VILLAGERS .
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Just wandering since Ongabonga has been raised from the dead , he doesn't get his power back as before , right ? So now there's 9 of us villagers against 4 wolves/vampires and 2 special powered people . Were winning , weeeeeee , lol . GO VILLAGERS .
Vig, you are fucking awesome, thank you.
Vamps, great nom.
Necro guy, cheers for bringing me back.
Village is in good shape here.
Hi bikes. Sorry but you gotta endure more onging in this here game.
I have a vote, but no seer powers. Kinda wish I hadn't outed pascal now but it's done. Sorry pascal, you're wolf food pretty soon.
To explain the pascal scan... he's new, thus hard to read, and I didn't think he'd get lynched or nommed any time soon. I was trying to look towards endgame, rather than luckbox a wolf.
I stand by this post. I think stacks is our man today, very unliekly he's the necro guy since he brought me back, he must know he's gonna be my prime target.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Bigred got my attention for lying about how he was gonna read the thread, but it seems sloppy for a wolf to do that, so I'm not confident about that read.
pascal, since you're gonna be high nom priority, you should post your thoughts about who you consider suspicious, since everyone knows it's the words of a villager, not wolf bullshit.
lol what a luckbox for the village. can i vote to lynch ongbonga?
the play here is to lynch stacks
it's not close
I look forward to dying soon and I trust bikes with WW so I'll go with lynch stacks
Was fun playing everyone ;)
Craziest first two days I've seen in WW, that's for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by bikes
We still need to avoid a snap lynch today. Conversation helps the village.
In addition to stacks I could jump on a bigred lynch for today with vette, kiwi and vinland also on my suspect list.
I'll retatispect you if you try my hand man.
fuck: retalispect*
wuf, you read my soul like a fucking book.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Wow, maybe we should just let the vamps and wolves kill each other off. It seems to be working so far.
Lynching Stacks isn't a bad choice, but there might be better ones. At least Stacks articulated his reasons for lynching Ong. I'm more curious about those who jumped on his wagon without good reasons.
bikes -- "he talks too much" is a horrible reason, talk is information and information is the only way the village will win. And trying to pass off that reason as "+EV to the village" is just as deceptive. Killing a talkative player on Day 2 is definitely not a +EV move for the village.
jkds -- he jumped onto the wagon immediately and only budged for about an hour near the end.
For now: lynch bikes
Also, Gator's late switch off Ong makes me think he's more likely a villager. Not 100%, since he could have realized that Ong was going to die anyway, but at least he did change his vote.
With Ong being a villager then my read on Crazz is less solid. I'm liking a Fatred lynch (I'm always liking his lynch) or a lynch stacks. like bikes wrote...it's not close.
That's ok my Kiwi friend. I don't know what either word means.
Shouldn't we be looking more at who didn't want to kill jymz than who wanted to kill ong?
Epic 2 days. Every kill has been a special? That's crazy.
Alright so, how do I go about convincing you guys not to vote for me? Cuz it sure seems like I'm about to have to fight one hell of an uphill battle if I want to ward off what looks like has the makings for a record day 3 bandwagon.
Let's see, what are my transgressions again? Is it because I went after Ong? The guy that I provided the best evidence for going after, which many of you agreed with and voted to lynch. Voted to lynch before I even decided to lynch him.
Idk, I'm just kinda missing what the hell transpired that has moved me from Ong's "looks like a villager with sincere reasons for voting for me" camp, to "shoot him in the fucking head" camp.
If anything, I'm quite disturbed by the fact Bikes failed to rescind his vote, and lynch BooG, after Ong outted himself (which would have forced a coinflip). I can really see no excuse for why anyone who was here and active at the time would neglect to do that unless it's in their best interest to see the seer die.
For everyone that has already jumped on my bandwagon, or is thinking of jumping on my bandwagon, please take some time to look back through the thread and see if I really warrant a lynch here. Rather than piggybacking on Ong's opinion here, which is no doubt going to be a little biased seeing as how I was the one who unfortunately first threw suspicion his way. But I did so based on logical evidence for good reason.
The play here is to lynch bikes.
And it's not close.
That's all the reasoning needed apparently right?
like you?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
rescind stacks
lynch bigred
Although above post makes me wonder why bigred would basically out himself
Stacks has a good point about the coinflip and bikes. It won't take much for me to flip my vote to him. But for now I'm gonna stick with him.
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
gonna see where this takes me...
rescind stacks
lynch bikes
I think we've got at least one baddie in stacks, bikes or Red.
Ok had a nice read.
Wolf - boog
Wolf turncoat - JKDS
Vamp - stacks
Vamp turncoat - bikes
Happy to see any of these four die.
bikes is looking like a baddie. How keen was he to impress that I out the villager? bikes is a man who understands optimal play. Yet he doesn't rescind when the seer outs? Serious? Even if he didn't think it would in itself stop the lynch, you still rescind and hope someone else comes online.
Plus, I nailed jyms on day one, and bikes was keen to impress that early soulreads are dumb.
stacks is jyms' buddy, between them they sniffed me out and got me lynched.
boog, I like him as wolf because jv said he was gonna flip to boog if he didn't show up, but he didn't.
and JKDS as turncoat... he has boog dangled under his nose, surely too tempting for old jaykay? There was his chance to get boog deaded, and brag about it for months, but he declined, in favour of the guy who talks a lot. Very strange choice for JK.
So yeah, that's what I think.
Back. Sorry for the absence. Playing catch up with this entire thread starting from after Justin was killed. Ma bad.
sounds ok but the part about boog and jkds could also go to fatred and boog. red's constantly after boog and yet didn't latch onto a golden opportunity.
my last post was in response to Ong. boog snuck in...and now prolly sneaking out.
Yeah bigred falls into my next wolfy categry, with gator. But them two always looks suspect. Always. Doesn't matter what they do.
Vinland is being allowed to float by without voting, something else I noticed in my read. He moves out of my villager camp and in with BR and gator.
Vinland was on my list because of the same reason, but that could just be a disinterested villager.
Absolutely no arguments with you here. I'd like to hear Bikes reasoning for not rescinding, and for pressing for the villager to be outted. There is literally no need for the villager to be outted, even after you are revived, as that just leads to a confirmed villager that the baddies will target. Instead, you should have kept him to yourself, and then when revived, you just obviously don't push a bandwagon towards the villager you know to be confirmed. Bikes not rescinding, and insisting the villager be outted, is pretty poor play imo. And only becomes logical if he's a baddie imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ong
Early soulreads are dumb. They are typically more often than not incorrect, and just leads to a biased view of that individual for the rest of the game, based upon very little information. And could easily influence other's opinions towards that person to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ong
Everyone likes to make early predictions, but it's wasted energy. It's not at all beneficial, and is simply so they can then spout off about "nailing" someone should one of their reads be correct.
I just want to clarify. You think that Jyms and I are some incredible baddies with the ability to sniff you out on Day 2, and press for, and succeed, in getting the seer lynched. Yet we aren't cunning enough to distance ourselves from each other? Is that what I'm hearing?Quote:
Originally Posted by ong
I read back through some of the previous pages, and I'll quickly admit that it does look a bit like me and Jyms were working together. But I can assure you that's simply because I was pressing the action towards you and Jyms happened to want to see you gone and felt I was doing a compelling job of painting you in a poor light, which again I don't apologize for (sucks you were the seer, but still I think you were the logical lynch up until you outted late).
Anytime someone is pushing the action, as I was, there is always going to be baddies that jump on board. JKDS, Gator, Bikes, and Shotglass all were pretty quick to string you up after I presented the evidence as well. I guess I just don't see why Jyms following my lead is any different than those.
This I can get behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ong
Can you please put forth some evidence as to how this would make sense? It would seem like a pretty fucking terrible strategy for the turncoat to attack the last remaining baddie at this time. Especially when he's vulnerable from his incorrect bandwagon the day before.Quote:
Originally Posted by ong
Can you link me back to some sort of hint that bikes might have tried to throw my way? Because, you would also have to assume I missed said hint, for it to at all be wise for me to push the action away from me towards the turncoat, putting us at the forefront of the day 3 lynch contention.
Would an absolutely remarkable vampire, one that can sniff out the seer on Day 2, miss the turncoat hints?
i like how stacks takes the part of ong's posts he likes and ignores the rest.
very mitt romney of you wolf/vampire w/e
Wow. I'm less of a bandwagon than I expected to be. Actually, I expected to come up dead since, well, BooG's Theorem.
Anywho, Stacks seems pretty wolfy to me. There was a bandwagon on me which are usually pretty difficult to derail. Stacks musters up the balls to defend me and go after Ong (who was apparently "a wolf" because he wanted to lynch a member of his own team that would never get modkilled - what?).
It's only as easy if it was for him to defend me if he knows it's unlikely for me to be a baddie. He has a lot of information towards this if he, himself, is on a baddie team.
I vote lynch Stacks for the mother fucker's a vampire.
Bikes didn't rescind because it was very likely Ong was a werewolf screaming seer given his weak defenses before becoming the majority leader.
Stax has to have one hell of a role for all these essays!
Things aren't looking super hawt for the bigred machine. Two confirmed villagers either lynching me or suspicious. Not much of a defense for me as I've really only tried to lynch gator the whole game although I'm still pretty sure he's a bad guy.
@shottie, I don't know what you're prattling about. I think I posted boog was suspicious once? Doesn't seem like I'm constantly going after him, does it?
I read through some of the pages and I think Chelle is off my radar after her TJ battling. That's about all I got so far. Besides that, I'm still thinking Gator and Stax. I'm wondering if there's any hints from JV's posts but not really.
Blah, I suck at this game. I'm still that kitty being poked by the stick.
@shotty
Oops, wrote @shotty a second time.
One thing to note is that JV bolded vinland. Makes vinland less of a target for those of you going after him.
What did I ignore?Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
I like how you start a wagon without any sort of reasoning.
I'm just loving how everyone was more than happy to follow my lead on Ong given I provided sound evidence for him being a good lynch candidate. Yet, now I'm being targeted without any sort of reasoning other than people following my lead, by the people who followed my lead.
Sigh. This is going to get old fast I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
I never defended you. I never at all said I didn't find you wolfy, or that I wouldn't be down for lynching you at a later date. I simply didn't jump on your bandwagon because it was unfounded, and lacked the reasoning that we had, and I provided, for lynching Ong.
And I very clearly stated that it practically never turns out to be a good idea to lynch someone before they can defend themselves.
Ong was a wolf suspect because he was gungho to lynch Justin before finding out there were no modkills. At which point, he switched to Joker. Actions that would clearly be in the best interest of any wolf teammates of Justin's who know Justin isn't going to participate.
Wat?Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
You are literally making no sense BooG.
It's absolutely 100% standard to rescind when someone outs, almost no matter how unlikely it is that he is telling the truth. It gives so much more information from which to make decisions on future days.
And how can you say:
in your previous post, then follow it up with your post here. So I'm wolfy for attacking Ong, yet Bikes isn't wolfy for attacking Ong? My reasoning for pushing the action at Ong is unfounded and wolfy, yet Bikes reasoning for not rescinding is perfectly understandable.Quote:
(who was apparently "a wolf" because he wanted to lynch a member of his own team that would never get modkilled - what?)
:facepalm:
So you're not paying attention but you still notice this? And tell me why that means Vinland can't be a baddie?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
I think I have seen enough to lynch bigred
Nah it's just late, and I'm just trying to make sure I don't get lynched later while playing poker or sleeping without the attempt to defend myself. So trying to get it all out right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
You're reading what you want to see, old man. I said I read through the pages looking for info so there goes sentence one. I also said it makes vinland less of a baddie. Not that he can't be one. I knew someone would quickly jump to conclusions and state that. I was just waiting to see who. You're making some pretty big leaps and misinterpretations simply to continue my bandwagon, mr gator.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
Your reasoning to lynch Ong was fine (I just found it weak but, then again, hindsight is 20/20, I guess). That's not what I find wolfy. I find anybody that defends me and puts their WW life in jeopardy to be wolfy.
Page 5: Where Bigred, Boog, and Stax get super duper defensive.
Never defended you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
All I did was question JKDS's reasoning for voting for you.
As I would have done for anyone who was absent, wasn't going to be able to defend themselves, and was only a lynch candidate because they were silent. Hell I was going off Kiwi's post where he said you posted somewhere that you would be absent before the game started.
How is it not in the best interest of the village, and the obligation of any active villager, to try to halt a wagon on a silent player who is absent? Especially, if it's the villager who provided the evidence towards the other likely lynch candidate (me)?
I haven't defended myself at all. I'm just bored on a Saturday morning is all.
Bros before hos.
Sup gangsta bitches?!
They better bring more logical reasonings for lynching my ass if they want me to go down without a couple of essays.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Also fuck Bikes minimal participation. He was just as apt to lynch Ong as I was. Yet when presented with the most compelling argument for why he shouldn't lynch Ong (seer outting), he kept on the wagon, even prompting him to reveal information needlessly.
Saturday morning?!?! What's the future like? Does Arsenal win?Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
I'm a virgin, btw. Sacrifice me!
The future brings high internet speeds, the use of NFC chips that carries your money instead of wallets (lolpapercash), and clean subway systems.
Also, yes, what is the future like? Is there still chocolate in the future, because honestly, that's all I care about.
It just hit me.
Boog = vampire
Bikes = vampire turncoat.
This would explain why Jyms inexpliciably changed from BooG to Ong, which was the vote that forced Ong to out as seer in a last ditch save attempt.
This would also explain why Bikes decided not to rescind on Ong.
I haven't looked back at their interactions yet with each other, so can't be certain, but it's something I think is possible, and deserves looking into.
Right, so I can throw justin under the bus as a wolf to gain villager cred, but bikes won't throw you under the bus for the same reason?Quote:
Can you please put forth some evidence as to how this would make sense? It would seem like a pretty fucking terrible strategy for the turncoat to attack the last remaining baddie at this time.
After yesterday, you're a dead man walking. Bikes recognises this and gets on the wagon instantly in order to make it look like he was happy about it.
It's not ideal for him, but it's a forced move.
I might be wrong stacks, in fact I'm probably wrong about someone, but don't be falling back on bikes' vote for you today. And besides, if I'm wrong, well it might just be a case of being on a different team.
Day one soulreads are not dumb, and those who keep harping this tired old line have a reason for wanting people to think this. jyms isn't the first wolf I've sniffed out on day one, and when I was a wolf I should've died on day one because I spewed my role but somehow got away with it.
Also pretty odd that yesterday you thought boog was a bad lynch, now you can get behind it based on jv not lynching him when he said he would?
It's a thin read I got on boog, the jkds link is more solid than the jv link for me.
I understand the JV link and myself but JKDS link? Guess I didn't do too good a job of catching up.
Ong, i do more than just spam 'go after boog' every game :/
See like right now
Lynch boog
JK had a choice between you and me last night... he went for me based on "I'm sold". Why would someone who has history of lynching you for no good reason not lynch you when you're absent, and instead go for the talking guy?
He also pretended to not know you were in the game, like when I called him out on not lynching you first he snap bolded you with some "lol boog is in?" type crap.
stacks
boog
jkds
bikes
Doesn't that just make JKDS a strong lynch candidate? I mean, let's say JKDS and I were on the same team. He would've prodded the shit out of me and demanded I post some sort of defense instead of playing dumb. How would that implicate me?
Or are you just saying that we are then connected somehow and that JKDS being a wolf --> BooG is a wolf? Either way, I can go for a JKDS lynch because fuck him.
No fuck you!
I'm happy to lynch any of the four I just named. If jkds dies and shows up turncoat, well I'd say that = fucked boog. But jkds being reg wolf would sever the link.
JKDS is prob a better lynch than you boog. Stacks or bikes better yet.
You situation with possibly throwing Justin under the bus would be no where near the same as Bikes throwing me under the bus here. Really don't see how you can compare the two. Yours was based under the assumption that Justin would likely be modkilled due to inactivity (until Wuf said he wouldn't be). Bikes throwing the only other vampire under the bus, making it very hard to reach majority and win, isn't nearly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by ong
And you are right I probably am a dead man walking. But honestly, I still don't know why. I don't feel like I did anything wrong. I provided good evidence for why I thought you were the best candidate at the time, and many other players back me up on this, stating you had a poor defense (which you acknowledged yourself). So I don't really see anything wrong with pushing for your lynch with the information given.
I've had plenty of villains shove with 1 out and hit. That doesn't mean it wasn't dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by ong
When you continually make Day 1 soulreads, you are bound to get some correct, by shear numbers of continually flipping back and forth. That doesn't mean that you are doing any good. You are just voting without any solid reasoning to back it. And yes, that's dumb.
And if you should have been lynched in another game for spewing your role, that wouldn't have been a soulread. Your mistake would/should have been noticed, and you lynched because of that evidence.
I don't see how anyone could feel like lynching BooG yesterday was a good idea. Why are you not understanding this? You think I should provide evidence for lynching you, have a lot of people agree that it's the best thing we have at the time, then be okay with those people switching to lynch a player that isn't there to defend themselves? In what way is this something any villager should not question?Quote:
Originally Posted by ong
I think there are more compelling reasons for why BooG is a good lynch candidate now. Reasons that weren't apparent before knowing Jyms role.
If you look back, when everyone was flip-flopping back and forth between you and BooG to start, he said it's a good idea to lynch the quieter people (BooG). At the time, you were leading votes. Then JKDS, you, and someone else swithced to BooG, and Jyms comes back after Wuf says it's a tie and about to end, and rescinds boog and votes for you.
What made him change his mind that voting for the quieter player was in the village's best interest? I'm thinking the fact that BooG is his teammate is a pretty compelling reason for changing.
Poker time.
Stacks, you keep saying that you provide evidence and everyone agreed with it...
I said earlier in the thread that I thought wolves thought I was vamp and vamps thought I was a wolf... and with me being seer, if any wolf picks up on any special hints, well I'm a great lynch for the wolves to push through, both sides would want me dead. So there's gonna be wolves aplenty on my wagon. With two teams, two turncoats who know I'm not on their side, there's not going to be much communication, so baddies are not going to be able to spread the votes around as easily. I think most of my wagon is wolf/vamp.
If my final wagon is wolf heavy, well it would suggest the majority of villagers didn't agree with your "evidence".
crazv voted for me because lol obviously she's gonna at that time.
shotty, I do think she's sincere, and I think she recognised I wasn't a good lynch. She was on boog pretty early, and trying to drum up support. She tried to stop my wagon.
The rest... dodgy motives.
I'd really like to hear TLR's thoughts on the events of day 2.
I can confirm that what happened during mine and Ong's wagon was fishy as fuck. I should have been lynched especially after Ong outed.
here's a room full of people who believe dat homieQuote:
Originally Posted by Chelle
http://kaplanpicturemaker.com/yahoo_...212017_std.jpg
You just can't see them, okay? They're ghostly people. THEY'RE STILL PEOPLE, BRETT!
rescind bikes
lynch chelle
My wolfy list:
Stacks
Bikes
JKDS
My "what wtf are they" list:
TLR
Kiwi
Pascal: I agree with Ong - post your top few picks before you become dinner.
....WHY DO PEOPLE HATE ME AN' WANT TO HAVE ME LYNCHED?! I AM GOING TO GO CRY NOW.
..or just type up a RP about my nipples bein' hard as I step out of bed, cause I totally sleep naked.
Shotglass was like the second person to jump on your wagon Ong. Even posting that "howl" thing that crazzvette pointed out. Which I didn't think held any merit btw.
There are likely to be wolves on your wagon. However, I honestly don't think it would be in my best interest to go all out trying to lynch you if I were a baddie. How would I not know that if wrong I would be a prime candidate for the next day?
And I don't really get why you think the wolves think you are vampire, and the vampires think you are a wolf. I don't think you did anything that even remotely put you in a possible vampire camp.
Why do you keep opting not to speak on BooG? Do you not make anything of Jyms flipping from BooG to you when it was tied, after saying it's dumb to vote for you previously?
And yes BooG, there is something fishy going on with Ong's wagon. And after he outted, you should 100% get lynched, or at least anyone here and active at the time should switch to you in an attempt to lynch you. The fact Bikes didn't is easily the most fishy (read wolfy/vampirey) thing we have.
Maybe because you aren't contributing to the thread whatsoever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelle
Good job Vig
Ong, I think you are too focused on 'known' players and ignoring the newbes in the game
My suspect list right now includes Stax, Chelle and Crazz
Stax is way to involved not to be a special, and I dont think he is playing this way as Vig/Necro
Chelle and Crazz are posting close to zero content, mainly posting for posting sake, this is classic noob wolf/vamp behavior
We have two confirmed villagers, Ong and Pascal, they should drive the discussion, Ong is doing a good job at this , Pascal should be more involved
It is expected when your bed is a coffin in the cellarQuote:
Originally Posted by Chelle
Glass houses, rocks etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinland
Don't post... OMG HES A WOLF LOOK AT HIM LAYING LOW!
Post... OMG HES A BADDIE LOOK AT HIM POSTING!
There is no middle ground with you people. I've been active in past games both as a wolf and as a villager. I'm active this game because I thought I had a good read on Ong and basically started his bandwagon. So for me to not follow through on it, and now not to defend myself, would be retarded.
For anyone wondering, last game I played I was a very quiet wolf, and ended up winning the game.
Of course I would change tactics from something that worked quite well for me last time. Because that just makes sense right?
Being quiet is and always has been the best way to play baddie roles. The only caveat would be if you are a very exceptional player, which I don't think I fall into the category of.
i'm likely going to be mia for a few days, gonna dunno. anyways not a wolf or vampire don't lynch or mod kill me obv. dunno if i'll have internet access so yeah peace.
i would lynch
stacks,
jkds,
vinland
and then gator on day w/e.
gator should not be lynched because he's too valuable to the village if he's a village and too dangerous to be kept around for endgame if he's not.