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The set on my 2nd draw worked out. It was the best play, right?
Eric (dealer)
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I think your play is okay, but since the draw contained a 9 and a spade, the decision is pretty thin. After playing the trips in the mid and the Q on top on the 2nd draw, you have 2 live Qs, 3 live As, and 3 live Ks to try to make an FL hand on top, and there are still 7 spades in the deck with 2 draws to come, giving you a 78% chance of making the flush. You could have played the spade low to complete the flush and the 9 in the mid to make 2 pair, and the FL outs for the top are almost the same (you only sacrifice the Q you played to the top on this draw).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
I think your more aggressive line is justifiable although the safer line is probably a little better. However, if the other cards had not contained a 9, then your play would have been mandatory.
The decision is between the play you made and playing the A in the mid and the 9 in back (to make 1 pair). I think your play is by far best because not only have you got the top and mid parts of an FL hand made, but with two draws to come you have a straight-flush draw and six 2-pair outs, so some hand that beats AA is very likely to pan out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
I think you mean play the queen on bottom for the flush but keep the 4 mid for trips, right? This way we still beat a high 2-pair mid. I think this is the best line if we don't take the more aggressive line.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneByPhi
Agreed. In this game a gssfd with 2 draws coming is pretty strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneByPhi
Do you agree with my decisions on the 2nd and 3rd draws? I didn't make fl but at least I didn't foul so I got the 4 royalties from the bottom flush.
Eric
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I was talking about this hand:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
Yeah, I said 4:s: low 9:h: mid, but I failed to notice that the Q was the Q:s:. D'oh! For some reason I didn't notice that the Q filled the flush too, so my point was that on the second draw you could have played the 4:s: in back to complete the flush and the 9:h: in the mid to make 2-pair and still have 8 live FL cards with 2 draws to come to try to luck into an FL hand with the back and mid already rock-solid. You played the third 4 to the mid (forgoing the flush) and the Q on top, and then never completed the flush. Your play still had a decent chance to finish the flush, but since the draw contained both two spades and the trip card, I think playing the Q in back and the trips in the mid was the better play, now that I am paying attention :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
No worries, I see what you're saying now.
3rd draw, Q:s: on top for fl draw or on bottom to complete the flush? I went the aggressive route putting it on top but I'm not sure whether that is the right play or not.
Eric
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Did I set it right?
Loui21Eriksson
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mytch71 (dealer)
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ya i like it as played. you have 6 outs to hit your flush which is still 52% with 1 draw left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
i rarely (maybe never) place non-FL cards up top on the set. the 2:d: up top doesn't help you at all. pineapple ofc is all about getting to FL. i would have set it like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by mytch71
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a more aggressive set, and one i assume obp would go for would be:
A:d: / 6:h: 2:d: / 9:c: J:c:
I go back and forth here but tend to place Aces in the middle and save the top for Ks and Qs.
Agreed...I see a lot of people dumping rags up top early on. Save that top row for FL!!
If I'm IP and opponent is showing something like :ks:/:2d::2h:/:jc::tc:
and I get :jh::9h::7s::6s: :2c:
I'd go with something like this:
:2c:/:7s::6s:/:jh::9h:
Because I really don't see a better way to set it, and I've found that you can make 2 flushes or straight/flush quite often, with a decent shot of still making a FL pair up top when you're that live.
I agree with the thoughts on mytch71's hand. I don't set the deuce in front there.
On this set do you leave the mid empty like me?
Eric
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Baudib is right (IMO)...There's definitely a time/place to set a rag up top but it's usually very rare. In the example he states, the opp has killed two deuces already; thus rendering his 2c nearly useless. And since he has two suited connectors (nearly), they are a good bet for a bottom & middle flush and or straight. I've seen some people talk about "never" setting a non-FL card high, but there simply are no absolutes. Even an old squirrel gets a nut sometimes...
Tough call, Eric, setting KK up top. I hate playing catch up right off the start. Depending on my Tilt-Factor at the moment, I probably would have set the KK mid just to be conservative. Problem is, what to do with the Kd on 7th? Do you make trips above your pair? I wouldn't. So, after 7th, I'd have set the Ace high to improve win odds up top: A/KK4/JJ8. Then after 9th, I'd have: AQ/KK47/JJ8. Yeah, discarded an Ace but my top is strong with two potential FL hits. Then after 11th, I'd have had: AQ/KK477/JJ8J. This is a solid hand with a decent potential on bottom for a boat (no dead J or 8). And then the river brings joy: AQQ/KK477/JJ8J9.
Yeah, I would have gotten to fl on this particular hand whether the 8 was mid or bottom but I'm trying to decide which is best for the long run.
On the first draw do you go for the 3-flush or the JJ on bottom?
Eric
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As a rule, with only one dead heart shown, I generally stay with my flush after the first draw.
Again, being conservative, the KK would have set mid: x/KK3/Jh,7h.
1st draw: x/KK32/Jh,7h,Qh.
2nd draw: Q/KK32/J7Q2. 6 cards to come with 8 hearts out there, no problemo!
3rd draw: QA/KK32A/J7Q2. Ace high to improve that line against opp's Q-high. Winning middle. Still looking at 8 outs below.
4th draw: crap! Lost the flush game again...
I'd actually take your line since we're in position and all 8 Ks and Qs are live.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
With two 2s dead, I agree with your line.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I was honestly totally confused on what to do with this. I decided to forego 55 with a dead 5 already and went for a gutshot.
Player 1 (Dealer)
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I can see the logic with that, especially since our opponent is showing a nine and an eight as well. Still, I might consider putting 55 mid.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
ya i like it considering villain is showing a 98 and a gssd in position in pofc is like 75% to hit. if villain didn't have 98 sometimes i'd go with x 556 / 89.
I got to fl here but do you think I made the right choices on the initial set and the 4 draws?
Eric (dealer)
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I made fl but was I too aggressive putting the ace on top on the 3rd draw?
Eric
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With a 4-flush going and only 3 of your outs dead, it's safe to bank on making the back.
But the Bot killed two of your middle outs on first draw, leaving you with a 3-outer there to support AA up top. Your discarded 3 is dead. So putting the 4s mid gave you 3 more outs. A 6-out gamble is safe enough in my game. Problem is, the river had to provide for both lines. That's asking a lot. Aggression won in this case but a conservative may have settled for the scoop since Bot had crap line-for-line against you.
Yeah, I need to do a better job of not gambling for a home run when I can scoop with less risk.
3rd draw here is similar to the last hand I posted about in this thread.
I have the bottom locked up and I'm ahead mid and top too.
Do I gamble and go for fl with KK on top?
I couldn't resist and it worked out.
Eric
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u set trips 2nd draw?
Eric (dealer)
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OneByPhi
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Don't think I woulda set trips with only a 3-flush after 1st draw. You had a 7-out shot at catching two-pair mid. I'd set the 9c up top. 3rd draw gave you the 4th flush and 99 top. Plenty of outs on both lines. But it wouldn't have come for me that way, oh well...
Check out this monster starting hand. I ended up hitting fl, do you like the set for pine?
Eric
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BaldBullBot (dealer)
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Yeah, the trips were risky with just a 3-flush. I wish we had a way of knowing when to go for it and when not to go for it. 1st draw might be ok. 2nd draw is risky. 3rd and 4th draw are probably too risky with just a 3-flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
I don't know...Setting KK top puts you way behind off the get-to. I need to have a stronger base to do that. And that lonely Q on bottom is too unpredictable. What if you hit the A on first draw with no help to the Queen? In my conservatism, depending on opponent read also, I'd likely go: Q/KK/ As,5c. Catching another ace locks the deal; hitting two pair in back is likely; then maybe the straight if lucky. Also, pairing the Ace in back early on enables the kings in mid to add a second pair later.
Hitting an ace with the first draw for AA mid is something I welcome. There are many ways to get 2 pairs, trips or better on the bottom with 3 remaining draws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Crappy hand here. 2nd draw we get A, K, Q. How do you play it, 2 of them on top or ace mid and king on top?
Eric (dealer)
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Did I play it right?
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Wow, congrats on getting super lucky! I wouldn't advise that set for points or money in the long run though. I've never seen anyone set QQQ on top like that.
On the 3rd draw do you go with AKJ on top or the more aggressive JJK route? I went with AKJ with our opponent showing AQ.
Eric
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Do you set KK on top with the 3rd draw and risk fouling which would take away 6 points of boat royalties?
I'm more apt to risk straight royalties on bottom and maybe even flush royalties but boat+ royalties on bottom make me think twice.
I didn't risk it and I still got a scoop, what do you think?
Eric (dealer)
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misclick on the 2nd draw? you threw away a full house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
edit - i wouldn't risk JJ on top here either.
hm, 3 outs with 1 draw to go is about 29% for an additional 8 points + FL. i think im going for it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
(if my math is right)
So we have about a 29% chance of getting there and about a 71% chance of fouling and losing the 6 boat points, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
We've already won the mid and bottom hands and we're ahead with the top hand. I'm not sure how all the math works out but it seems like the risk of giving up a boat and a good chance of a scoop might not be the best play.
It would be cool if MMM or someone could work out the math on this one.
I'm thinking this is a rough approximation:
Go for it:
.29*(6+6+8+10) (boat + scoop + KK royalties + 10 getting to fl bonus value)
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.71*(-6) (foul)
= .29*30 - .71*6
= 8.7 - 4.26
= 4.44
Play conservative:
.x*(6+6) (boat + scoop)
+
.y*(6+1) (boat + 2 streets only)
= .75*12 + .25*7
= 9 + 1.75
= 10.75
*I plugged in 75% for x and 25% for y, these are just guesses.
*For simplicity some cases like the following were ignored:
1. Both players foul.
2. We go for it and miss but villain fouls as well.
3. We play conservatively but foul anyhow.
On the 2nd draw do you set the boat on the bottom or the pair mid? I think the boat on the bottom is the better play but for some reason I just set the mid pair.
The choice between 2 pairs mid and the bottom boat might be different though...
Eric
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Check out this hand. I don't think too many people will argue with my 5 card set - it got me to fl. Getting kings mid with the ace kicker on the first draw was cool.
Eric
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did i set this ok against FL?Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
http://s8.postimg.org/qjallcxld/Capt...che=1411087499
duffff,
That screen shot is small and hard to read. If you type out the set or give us a link to the archive page then I'll give you my thoughts.
Cheers,
Eric
Did I set it right?
dhubermex (dealer)
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Eric
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2nd draw 2 pairs mid, right?
dhubermex
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Eric (dealer)
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I'm rusty, but it looks good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
Your other main option is to set the 7-high gutshot on the bottom and put the 3 in the mid or top. I don't really like low straights on the bottom, but I don't like the draw to 7's up much more. Altogether, the 337 set has more flexibility. The mid also gets a good start with 65o coming in under the 7 in case 7's up hits and 6's up is covered.
Either way, I would not be making bold plays for FL during the rest of this hand. Sure, I'll drop AKQ up top if I draw it, but I'm not completing that FL pair without securing it... so no bold moves.
ya being oop i like your set. in position seeing the dead 3 i'd go: - / 336 / 75Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
agree, but maybe some italic moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
i don't like the set. you broke up a live pair for a three flush that contains 2 FL cards. i'd much rather go K / A / 773. as played it seems fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
On the contrary, I think it's a good hand for straight-forward play.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
...
Just to underscore my point.
Agreed. A,K,Q have more value as FL pairs than they do to complete a flush. I can possibly understand if the 7:s: was the T,J,or Q:s:, meaning there was a draw to royal flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
A, K, and Q have too much value up top and in the mid to be wasting them on straight and flush draws on the bottom. At least on the set and 1st draw. On the final 2 draws, the goal of creating good options becomes overshadowed by the goal to create good hands.
missed
Eric
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:ofcset::tc::ofcset::8s::ofc9::8d::ofc11::8c::ofc1 3::2c:
Discard: 9:heart: 4:heart: Q:heart: 6:diamond:
ugottabekiddingme (dealer)
:ofc11::5c::ofc11::th::ofc13::5d:
:ofcset::6s::ofcset::ah::ofcset::7h::ofc7::ks::ofc 13::ac:
:ofcset::9d::ofcset::2d::ofc7::7d::ofc9::7s::ofc9: :2s:
Discard: 3:club: J:club: 6:club: A:spade:
post #358 in the hand above - 3rd draw (cards 11 and 11) I was putting the 8:c: on bottom no matter what but I was thinking about putting the Q:h: on top instead of the 4:c: mid. This would have worked since the 6:d: came on the last draw. I've had to make that type of choice before, what do you think?
considering dead cards i like how you played it. if my mid was fully live and had a few more outs i'm usually putting the Q up top there, but i can't fault you for taking the safe route here. you still have 4 outs for FL and can't foul, whereas putting the Q up top you only have 5 outs not to foul.
Yeah, I think you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
Securing the win on the bottom and mid is big.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
Also, securing 2 royalties in the mid doesn't suck.
Not sure about this 5 card set.
Eric
:ofcset::qh::ofcset::ks::ofc7::qc:
:ofcset::as::ofc9::th::ofc11::9c::ofc13::8s::ofc13 ::7c:
:ofcset::2h::ofcset::2s::ofc7::3c::ofc9::2d::ofc11 ::js:
Discard: 7:spade: 6:heart: 4:club: Q:diamond:
BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofcset::kh::ofc7::ts::ofc13::ah:
:ofcset::4h::ofcset::4s::ofc7::6c::ofc11::9h::ofc1 3::9s:
:ofcset::7d::ofcset::jd::ofc9::8d::ofc9::ad::ofc11 ::6d:
Discard: 5:club: J:heart: A:club: 3:heart:
Did I play it right?
Raindownchips
:ofc9::jc::ofc11::7d::ofc13::5s:
:ofcset::9s::ofcset::7s::ofc9::as::ofc11::js::ofc1 3::ts:
:ofcset::4h::ofcset::8h::ofcset::9h::ofc7::6h::ofc 7::5h:
Discard: J:diamond: T:
12randolphc (dealer)
:ofcset::3h::ofc9::3c::ofc13::6d:
:ofcset::9c::ofcset::7h::ofc7::ks::ofc9::qs::ofc13 ::9d:
:ofcset::qd::ofcset::8d::ofc7::5d::ofc11::4d::ofc1 1::ad:
Discard: 6:spade: 4:spade: 5:club: 7:club:
club: 2:diamond: 2:club:
Did I play it right? 5 card set was obv but not sure on draws.
Eric (dealer)
:ofc7::kh::ofc9::kc::ofc13::qs:
:ofc7::jc::ofc9::9c::ofc11::3h::ofc11::3c::ofc13:: jd:
:ofcset::4c::ofcset::5s::ofcset::6h::ofcset::7s::o fcset::8h:
Discard: T:club: 2:heart: 2:club: 5:heart:
BaldBullBot
:ofcset::ad::ofc9::6c::ofc11::7h:
:ofcset::3d::ofc7::3s::ofc7::kd::ofc9::ks::ofc13:: 6s:
:ofcset::8c::ofcset::th::ofcset::td::ofc11::8d::of c13::8s:
Discard: Q:heart: 4:heart: 7:club: 2:diamond:
Did I play it right?
2nd draw too aggro?
xuster22 (dealer)
:ofc7::qs::ofc9::qh::ofc11::5h:
:ofcset::4c::ofcset::8d::ofc7::kd::ofc9::4h::ofc13 ::tc:
:ofcset::3h::ofcset::3s::ofcset::9d::ofc11::9c::of c13::qd:
Discard: 2:diamond: J:spade: 2:heart: 5:club:
Eric
:ofc7::as::ofc9::ad::ofc11::ks:
:ofcset::6c::ofcset::2s::ofc7::4s::ofc9::4d::ofc13 ::kh:
:ofcset::td::ofcset::7s::ofcset::7c::ofc11::jh::of c13::9h:
Discard: 8:club: 3:diamond: 8:heart: 9:spade:
Did I play it right? too aggro 2nd draw again?
xuster22 (dealer)
:ofcset::4h::ofc9::ts::ofc13::jc:
:ofcset::5s::ofcset::7s::ofc7::8h::ofc9::7c::ofc13 ::5d:
:ofcset::ad::ofcset::9d::ofc7::kd::ofc11::kh::ofc1 1::9h:
Discard: 3:club: 3:heart: 6:club: 6:spade:
Eric
:ofcset::qs::ofc9::qd::ofc11::8s:
:ofcset::6d::ofcset::4c::ofcset::kc::ofc9::as::ofc 13::4s:
:ofcset::th::ofc7::2c::ofc7::2s::ofc11::2h::ofc13: :js:
Discard: 7:diamond: 3:spade: 6:heart: J:diamond:
The bot really confused me here. Why did he set the T:h: on top instead of on the bottom where he had the heart flush draw?
Eric
:ofcset::qh::ofc9::ah::ofc13::kh:
:ofcset::2s::ofcset::5c::ofc7::2h::ofc11::4s::ofc1 3::qc:
:ofcset::9d::ofcset::6d::ofc7::6h::ofc9::js::ofc11 ::jc:
Discard: A:spade: 7:diamond: A:club: 3:club:
BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofc7::th::ofc9::8s::ofc11::6s:
:ofcset::5s::ofcset::4d::ofc7::7c::ofc9::ts::ofc13 ::4h:
:ofcset::5h::ofcset::jh::ofcset::7h::ofc11::kc::of c13::5d:
Discard: 2:club: Q:diamond: 4:club: 8:club:
Worst fl hand ever.
Eric
:ofcset::9h::ofcset::9c::ofcset::qd:
:ofcset::jd::ofcset::ad::ofcset::as::ofcset::ts::o fcset::7s:
:ofcset::6d::ofcset::6h::ofcset::6c::ofcset::5h::o fcset::4c:
Discard: 2:spade:
BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofcset::kc::ofc7::ks::ofc7::3s:
:ofcset::5s::ofc9::4h::ofc9::2d::ofc11::ah::ofc13: :ac:
:ofcset::js::ofcset::jc::ofcset::7h::ofc11::jh::of c13::5d:
Discard: T:diamond: 9:diamond: K:diamond: 4:diamond:
I'd have played 6's full of 9's on the bottom.
Did I set it right?
MadridBill (dealer)
5:c: / Q:h: / 3:s: J:s: 8:s:
xuster22
5:d: / 2:s: T:s: / 6:c: J:c:
Did I set it right?
MadridBill (dealer)
2:s: / 9:h: 8:d: / 7:c: 8:c:
xuster22
Q:c: / 2:h: K:d: / 5:s: A:s:
I'd flip the 5:c: to the mid and the Q:h: to the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadridBill
If you're setting 3 to a flush with 2 blockers on the bottom, you should play aggressively to complete the flush, perhaps even playing the Q:s: on the bottom if the mid doesn't develop well enough to protect QQ up top (a good chance with the restrictions placed on the bottom).
2:s: / 7:c: / 8:d: 8:c: 9:h:Quote:
Originally Posted by MadridBill
The power of pair + kicker to start the bottom should not be underestimated. Sets, boats and quads are much more common in pineapple than other games.
As a general rule:
Do not split pairs when you set your first 5 cards.
How do you play the first draw?
Eric
:ofc11::ac::ofc11::jh::ofc13::qc:
:ofcset::2s::ofcset::7s::ofc9::td::ofc9::tc::ofc13 ::5d:
:ofcset::8s::ofcset::8c::ofcset::8d::ofc7::jc::ofc 7::jd:
Discard: 7:diamond: T:spade: 4:heart: 3:heart:
BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofc11::as::ofc13::9s::ofc13::kd:
:ofc7::5h::ofc7::5s::ofc9::qs::ofc9::kc::ofc11::7c :
:ofcset::ah::ofcset::8h::ofcset::2c::ofcset::6c::o fcset::6d:
Discard: 2:diamond: 5:club: 6:heart: 4:club: