i mean, i really wanted to be a wolf this game because i had a strategy to do just that, one that would have cleared myself and my partner by about 23/rds the way through d1
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i mean, i really wanted to be a wolf this game because i had a strategy to do just that, one that would have cleared myself and my partner by about 23/rds the way through d1
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I mean you can say who your village reads are. It's up to you, of course.
It's possible, of course. But it would be incredibly reckless of boog to do that in this format, and having just lost as wolf in this game, I just don't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
But it doesn't even matter if they are both wolves. We only need to lynch one wolf.
*last game, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
ong, we have 2 lynches. if we get a wolf in either, we win the game. we should not be in the dark on either one of them
you dont have to keep explaining yourself. i know what youre saying and its not right. villagers have reads that are off all the time, so making it awkward for the wolves who put reads out there doesnt actually matter. you are tunneling on a bad idea. earlier in the game you said something like it wasnt that big of a deal to you anyway. so nows the time to take the village to level 2 today
Why's that?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
gabe I don't trust you. I dunno if I can put it any more blunt than that.
it was a general tone read at first but then the vote quote mistake seemed like very loose posting compared to last game. theres too many people with real suspicion above herQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
It would be reckless to put heat on a buddy that might result in his lynch. Why put a wolfbro against the wall right away for no reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
why dont you guys like rascal's slip: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...23#post2252723
you guys all skipped over it. rilla/ong one of you must be his partner ?
How is omitting the word "seeing" a slip?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
You're desperate here gabe.
I mean it's really, really obvious to me what rascal did there. So obvious that I can't imagine how gabe ever thinks that's a wolf slip.
I call bullshit.
i agree with ong
Yes, there are strong villager reads.
i dont see how that is a wolf slip menaing what gabe thinks it does. i do see how it's just a typing slip like people normally do
Polly wants a cracker?Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
yea it is obvious what he did there. he forgot a word. thats a slip. his brain had some set of thoughts and thats what sentence it came up with
a desperate person usually has votes on them. thats not me. i'm trying to get my thoughts out there because i'm going to be gone starting in ~40 minutes
hmmm i have come to the realization that gabe's solvey posts could have been heavily skewed towards fellow wolves
you dont have to trust me. use your best possible logic circuitry and see where it takes youQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
lol gabe is actually trying to sell this shit.
lynch gabe
theres only so much time before this day is over and only some of that i'm available to help the village. i dont see how we were going to get there with what info was in the thread when i woke up.
check out the vote counts when i've been trying to get you guys thinking about this. i'm trying to get us to win the game tonight why you guys are stuck in classic WW mode
rescind rascal
rereading, really digging a gabe boog keith hoopy team.
consider this line by boog. if he's a wolf, this means that he knows that he should probably attack a fellow wolf early
also consider how easily and staunchly gabe defended boog. boog is lock v in gabe's mind, but his reasoning for why is about as loose as it gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
I would dig that team too if it wasn't for boog taking a swing for gabe. Something is wrong somewhere.
the only place the village was going that i didnt like was not outing partners. i think not doing so is bad village work. i've pushed this agenda while having no heat for 100+ posts because i think its smart for the village. i also had a slip-catch that no one else mentioned. this was also during a time i had no heat. i'm a villager frustrated by you thinking the wolves have night kills or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
wuf, i made that boog read on the fly. you made it seem cynical but it's a natural read to make after last game
also consider, if i was a wolf, would i tell boogwolf, who got cornered 8 different ways last game, to immediately stick his neck out and draw attention? that theory is tinfoil FPS
gabe you can't truly believe that what rascal did was a wolf slip.
It was a typo, and an easy one to make at that. Also an easy typo to figure out. It's null as fuckity fuck.
you wouldnt, but boog wouldn't need promptingQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
your boog read doesnt seem to be considered and reconsidered.
the case i just made is that boog could/would do just thatQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
plus ong somethign is always wrong somewhere. the wolf teams never make the most about of sense. there's always something screwy that doesn't seem to belong
i feel like this isnt v gabe posting
I don't see what there is to gain. Even if it causes confusion, it's not like boog can get any definite village cred for it. It makes no sense. Boog is not reckless. Even I would do that in this format.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I really don't see it.
"forgetting" a word is deeper than a typo. there isnt a reason for a typo caused by a fat finger. but there is a subconscious reason when not typing an entire multisyllable wordQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
ong have you done any hunting this game?
*wouldn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
gabe's gonna have a meltdown at that one.
this post was about boog where i was doing just that http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...48#post2252448Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
gabe, how you you suppose I conclude you're not a wolf with boog? Because, yes, I am hunting. Just because I'm not giving everyone a running commentary, doesn't mean I'm not looking at previous pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by BooG690
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Originally Posted by BooG690
this post means that boog's wolf hunting strategy is to find those who are defending each other. if you believe this and you are a wolf, it means that it is naturally logical for you to NOT fall into that category. boog is showing us his thoughts here and they tell us that if he is a wolf he would attack a fellow wolf
Forgetting a word is exactly the same as a typo.
im not seeing much thereQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I think you're making a leap here. I would argue that boog is being honest when he says wolves will have to hard defend one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Did gabe ever explain why boog was in his "will not lynch" plie?
but the subconscious reason you're applying to it is quite an assumption and leap.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
the leap is only in assuming boog would have thoughtful consistency with himself. it is not, however, a leap to say that if boog is a wolf, he should be expected to think that attacking a wolf is a good idea. he said the complement of that, so but deduction we can assume he believes itQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
*by deduction
this is all pointless. i'm a villager
i have smf, bid, boog, hoopy and aubrey as villagers
gator/ong should not be wolfbros together
wuf/rascal and wuf/rilla are not wolfbros together
i think more of this would make sense if i knew gator, rilla, and rascal's partners exactly
But the thing is, we can't know he's attacking a wolf until we've either won or lost. Sure it makes this whole figure out thing a little more murky, but it doesn't make it murky enough to justify putting a buddy against the wall right off the bat. The risks are too high, and I think boog as wolf would understand that. I don't see hard wolf on wolf action here, more outright buddying, or fence sitting.
you said i didnt seem to reconsider boog, and i showed you where i did, but only for 1 post. i thought about it and didnt stick with my suspicion on himQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
its a freudian slip. the words just get typoed into a sentence that admits what his subconscious is thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
this isnt relevant because we're assuming "if". you're saying if he's a wolf you dont think he would act a certain way. i showed that if he's a wolf he could/wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
i dont think v gabe views it that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
i typo all the time, accidentally words and such. im sure you do too.Quote:
its a freudian slip. the words just get typoed into a sentence that admits what his subconscious is thinking
So if you buy this freudian slip rubbish, then my "would" instead of "wouldn't" would imply that I have indeed took an early swing for a wolfbro in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Oh, also I said "this game" where I meant "last game". Oh dear, now I've implied I'm a wolfbro with boog this game.
I've been on boog's case, and here I am giving him village cred for never being a wolf with my now most wolfy read.
It's all falling into place for you gabe. You're not even having to do any work, I'm doing it for you.
MVP = Sigmund
gubu
wuf, i wasnt trying to make a case for how much i went back and forth on boog. i just saw you use the fact i never reconsidered boog against me, so i pointed how where i did
ong, i agree with your potential reads on yourself
you two are dragging down a villager
ong you are really being yourself this game
i want to press whichever pair exists in [rascal ong gator rilla]
i guess you guys can go ahead and out your partners now...
How many pairs do we have now, 3/6?
Lets get the rest out in the open and evaluate things.
JKDS can we get a count and time left?
My partner's Gator.
Fine. Mine's aubrey, so that's wuf and rascal?
So we have
monkey/drew
boog/hoopy
gabe/keith
rilla/gator
rascal/wuf
ong/aubrey
I think had it not been for boog's early move, this would be simple.
So, The KBGH, whose up in your sights?
Ok, so now that you know wuf is my partner. How does that help us solve the game?
I still think we lynch the wolfier players and that IMO is gabe followed by boog.
Rilla and Ong would be my top two villas after me and Wuf.
This took me a minute. KBGH = Keith/Boog/Gabe/Hoopy I assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
The highlighted is where I stand on reading individuals, by extension their partner gets villa points too. I can't see the wolves being in the bottom three in the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm neutral on monkey/drew, but even if there wolves, lynching their partners wins this, so gabe today and if that's wrong, then boog tomorrow.
Lynch gabe
monkey/drew - monkey crumbed drew early, has disappeared. drew is in and out, he's coming across as villager to me. I don't think the wolves would be so quick to out their buddy, simply because there's four of them and they have options on their pairs depending on which looks best for them. I didn't want to point this out before, but this is what I was getting at with holding back. There's more scope for them to trip over when deciding which one to claim as partner. I think monkey/drew is village.
boog/hoopy - very little evidence of villager. The only thing in their favour is boog swinging for gabe, and gabe looks bad to me. But maybe boog did do that, or maybe I'm wrong about gabe. I think boog/hoopy is wolf.
gabe/keith - gabe's energy is a good sign, but I've not had a good feeling from him throughout. I feel like he's been trying to control the village, and him voting for me for disagreeing with him was not very village motivated. keith has had very little to say, but I haven't much liked his input either. Possibly because he's busy, or possibly because he's a wolf. I think gabe/keith is wolf.
rilla/gator - rilla's entrance felt good. Removing his obviously-not-buddy wuf first was indicative of someone thinking more than they are letting on know. It seemed villagery. gator has felt good too, and if rilla got paired up with gator as w/w, I can see rilla really making a go of this. rilla has not been trying to run the show, which I feel he would as wolf in this format buddied to gator. village.
rascal/wuf - this would be my weakest village read. Both make me nervouse, and both town reads are based on tone and pretty much by being on the same page as me. But they could be wolves who see me on the wrong path and taking advantage. I can see them being wolves, but more likely village.
So yeah, I'm thinking boog hoopy gabe keith, but boog's push at gabe has me thinking that I'm wrong somewhere. But I doubt very much I'm wrong on both pairs, so I'm happy to slay my way though them until we win/lose.
dittoQuote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
Ong, you've gone in more detail, but your reads look pretty much like mine.
The one pair you don't mention is Ong/Aubrey. I have you pretty much as a villa here as I see your thought processes coming from a villa perspective. I need to reread Aubrey, this game. I've only played one game with her and I can't get a read from her on that.
I think the boog/hoopy pair is wolfier than gabe/keith.
lynch boog
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
Nice this improves our ability to find wolves quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Oh sorry...Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
ong/aubrey - village, 100% confirmed from my pov
im comfortable enough on gabe that we won't hit d2
You/Gator, wuf/rascal.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
further evidence that hoopy/boog is not paired to gabe/keithQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
I'm thinking it's boog/hoopy and wuf/rascal
SMF & BID, got any thoughts you'd like to share?
Sick crosspostQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
lol what the fuck is this? I would say this looks villagery, like a raction test and an attempt to fuck with the wolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
idk, made me laugh though.
Yeah gabe and boog are not wolfbros.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
do you really think that the wolves are going to completely avoid any sort of finger pointing at each other? that would get so easy to spot. given that boog is one of your wolf picks, you have to know that boog himself thinks this.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
im the opposite, i think the wolves will be acutely aware that they can't fall into a trap of only putting suspicion on those other than themselves. that strategy could probably get them through d1 but would get blown wide open on d2
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't see how this makes gabe/keith not paired with boog/happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
i know i was like THAT BITCHQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
lol againQuote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
ok I think what's going on here is the wolves had not paired themselves up yet. The other two wolves have jumped the gun, and forced wuf and rascal into pairing.
I think this looks really bad for rascal/wuf
the "lynch gabe" comes from the guy who said "wolves should know better than to only protect each other"Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't know if I've ever gone a game where I didn't bold wuf. Didn't want to start with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Damn MQ's. :(
Here's wuf putting rascal in his wolf pile.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
This is horseshit. Wolves hadn't got their shit together by this stage.
gabe, this is PRECSIELY why I wanted to wait to claim.
lynch wuf/rascal
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
i figured out that rascal was fishing. i fished too. notice that gabe bit
That's only the first two pages. I need food, back in an hour or two.
Now every villager has only 5 possible choices which should make things easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
I'm surprised you think gabe is a wolf.
Ong, I think you're a villa that just got it wrong. In this game, reaction tests is one thing that I think we have to work with, so I went with it to see where it would take us.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You'll also notice that I rescinded my vote fairly early on.
Why would I not think gabe is a wolf? He's tried to fabricate cases on a couple of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
ong, listen to yourself. you're saying that rascal and i are both wolves who are not paired together. this would mean that the wolves we would really be paired with are "paired" to two different villagers, both villagers of whom would know that they're paired to the one person, which means their partners are paired to people on their partners.
*wrong, not "one".
*not, not "on"
1) What you described was a CFDQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
2) Will claim in good time? This should read as "I hope anyone on the block will claim in good time. I hope no one is lynched blind."
going back to this boog line, i dont think he would say it as a villager. if he's a villager, he would know that saying it would negate some of its power, wouldn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by boog
I feel like if what you described was not CFD, you wouldn't have made this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I haven't seen him fabricate cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
Working on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
For one, I think it's a good idea that we outted.
if da hoopman aint a wolf, gabe's a jedi, having convinced da hoopman that rascal's a wolf because of a freudian slip that doesnt look anything like a freudian slipQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
There's four wolves. I'm assuming here that the wolves are a group of four, and not two pairs. Thus, they need to pick their own pairs for the claim. Thus, you and rascal look bad for casting shade on one another when you should me mutually confirmed villagers.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
You honestly think that, as a wolf, I would be OK sharing my thoughts like that? I'm pretty careful about what I post as a wolf, you know that better than most.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy