Part of me agrees with this. Another part of me saw that the 4:s: was my only spade and setting the J:c: down with it would stop any flush or straight draw from developing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
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Part of me agrees with this. Another part of me saw that the 4:s: was my only spade and setting the J:c: down with it would stop any flush or straight draw from developing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I'm not sure there's too much value in a 1 card flush OOP. (~28.5% to catch a flush, assuming you'd play the K:s: up top. I.e. 11 outs over 4 draws where a success means drawing at least 4 outs.)
So the question is: Does placing J4 on the bottom, and making all straights and flushes impossible cost more in value than getting an extra draw to pair the extra card?
Bear in mind that you only need 2 pr to avoid foul and you can still draw into a full house or quads. If you miss the flush/straight, then you not only foul, you lose the FL bid.
I think the safest rout is the pair-based hands... and since you're strong for a FL play, I don't think it's worth chasing the flushes and straights with a 1-card set.
The important point I'm overlooking is an EV calc, but I don't even know how to approach it on the set.
Did I set it right?
Jessie99 (dealer)
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GlassJoeBot
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Setting JJ in the middle is a low EV play, usually. I see that you're hoping to catch a flush on the bottom, but you're IP, with 3 blockers to your flush already (since you play the J:s: outside the FD). This makes you ~41% to catch the flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie99
If you had played KK, AA in the mid, instead of JJ, then I'd have different thoughts. As it stands, the JJ can't protect a FL pair on top by itself, and you set a Q up top, implying that you want to pair Q's. So you're shooting for JJ's up in the mid, which is a strong 2 pr to protect on the bottom.
I see why you felt to go for the flush given this analysis, but I think a set of Q/6/JJT will work out for you more often in this case.
Was i too aggro?
Eric
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Eric
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Too aggro setting kk on top 2nd draw with just one more 8 left in the deck?
Eric (dealer)
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No. You got a difficult hand to play, but discarding the A on 9th street was the right move, and NOT discarding the A on 11th street was good, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
Looks good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
It's close, but with 2 draws at 4 outs, and a success is drawing at least 1 out... you've got 58% equity to avoid foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
If by some miracle you complete the boat on 11th street, then you'd have even more equity going into the final draw due to the fact that trips in the mid is not a foul anymore.
MMM,
Cool, I'm glad you didn't see any major mistakes there.
I think shifting gears from flush to trips on the first draw is ok while shifting for a single pair is wrong. Shifting on first for 2 pair is ok some of the time I guess. What do you think?
Eric
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Jessie99
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BaldBullBot (dealer)
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Did u give up the fl draw and set 99 on top?
Eric
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It's a pretty close call here, but I would not have given up on the FL draw. Since there are 3 Qs remaining, you have a about a 30% chance of hitting one, which would net you around 15 points (7 for royalties and ~8 for FL). So the EV of going for FL is 15x0.3=4.5. Setting the 9s up top is 4 points, so you would be slightly better off going for FL. If there were only 2 Qs live, however, I would set 9s up top because then, you would only have a 20% chance of hitting one on the last draw for a EV of 15x0.2=3 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
xuster22,
You're right, it was very close.
Is kk up top on the first draw too aggro?
Eric
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I guess it was a mistake to set aa mid instead of completing the flush?
Eric (dealer)
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What do you do on the third draw?
Eric
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Weird hand. How do you play the first draw? What about the third draw?
Eric
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3 to a straight flush beats 66 as the bottom set, right? How do you play the 3rd draw?
Eric
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I like putting the KK in mid there. If you happen to get the last K you should be able to avoid a foul. 3rd draw looks fine to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
kind of confused, you weren't able to set 66 on the bottom? as played it looks perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
Yeah, not sure why I thought 66 was an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
Do you set AAA bottom or AA mid and 3-flush bottom?
Eric (dealer)
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I never split trips for a 3-flush.
I wouldn't consider it either outside of QQQ, KKK and AAA. You might be correct that those shouldn't be split either but at least they make the decision closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Crazy set but it worked out...
Eric
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BaboJo (dealer)
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ThinhVanPham
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I can't see BaboJo's cards so it is hard to say for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThinhVanPham
Your 5 card set looks fine though.
This was a weird hand, what do you think?
Eric
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Not setting the 6 on top with the 3rd draw worked out nicely.
Eric (dealer)
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Did I play it right, was this line too aggro?
Eric
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Your play on 7th street is confusing. You discard a Q, after setting a Q up top for a FL hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThinhVanPham
You play the J to the top, when you could have made pr J's on the bottom.
You played the 6:s: to the mid, when you could have played it to the bottom for your flush draw.
Really, it's confusing the whole way through the hand. Seeing the Villain's cards would help, but it's hard to see what your end-game plan was on 9th street.
I think you luckboxed some rungood, first of all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
I think your play on 11th street to drop the K and Q on your bottom for the flush was prob the best move, too (I know, I know... FL cards are not flush cards, I always say). In this case you had big damage control to think about, and you saved an almost sure foul.
WP.
... despite being a -EV play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
I think this looks pretty straight forward on a brief analysis. Did I miss something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
Did I play it right?
Mi1km4n
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No, you didn't miss anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Mi1km4n,
I probably set Q / A 4 / 7 8 instead of Q / A 8 / 7 4. However, you got to FL your way so it worked out.
Ditto. I think Q / A 4 / 7 8 is demonstrably better. It much more easily allows a back-door to 2-pair in the mid if an Ace doesn't come and the back makes only 2-pair (i.e. you sneak into the land with something like QQT / A4433 / 88776); with Q / A 8 / 7 4, 8s up beats 7s up, so either the back needs to boat or straight or the mid has to catch an Ace. So Eric's set makes the mid stronger and more flexible. Furthermore, 87 is connected, whereas 74 has two gaps, which makes it significantly harder to make a straight in back.With 87, you can catch T9, 96, or 65 to make an open-ended straight draw, but only 65 gives you one if you set 74. So, both in the mid and the back, your hand is more flexible and stronger with Eric's line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
How do you play the 3rd draw?
Eric
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datronic (dealer)
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Looks like a foul. QJT8 flush mid beats QJT7 flush bottom. Just flip the mid and bottom hands and I like it - trips on top are a rarity.
It was interesting getting KKA.
Eric
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First draw do u go 3 to the straight on bottom or pair of tens?
Eric
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On the initial set do you go 3 hearts in back or 2 sixes? How do you play the third draw?
Eric
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acg123 (dealer)
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First, you got dealt a really awful hand, sorry. But it would be better to set XXX /5:h: 3:s: 2:d: /9:h: 7:d:Quote:
Originally Posted by acg123
The loose plan is to make 9s-up (or 7s-up) in back and 5s-up (or 3s-up) in the mid and to backdoor an FL pair on top. Of course, you would be open to making a full house in back or two straights if the cards should fall that way, but that won't happen all that often. On the first draw, play the 3:h: in the mid and the 7:s: in back, giving you a pair in mid and in back. On the second draw put the K:s: on top (to allow an FL draw) and the 6:s: in back, still with an eye to a 2-pair/2-pair/FL pair structure. On the third draw, put the 2:h: in the mid, making 2-pair, and the 8:h: on top as a consolation draw to a 3-point pair of 8s if things work out that way. On the last draw make your hand by playing the 6:h: in back and brick the top with the J:h:. You don't make any royalties, but you avoid fouling, and you end up winning the mid and top.
This is an ugly starting hand imo. Do you set the gutter on bottom out of position?
Eric
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BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofcset::qd::ofc13::9s::ofc13::as:
:ofcset::ah::ofcset::4h::ofc7::3s::ofc11::4c::ofc1 1::ad:
:ofcset::8h::ofcset::9d::ofc7::6d::ofc9::7h::ofc9: :5h:
Discard: 2:club: J:diamond: 8:club: 2:diamond:
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epicname (dealer)
:ofcset::qd::ofc7::js::ofc13::jd:
:ofcset::7d::ofcset::5c::ofc7::9d::ofc9::7c::ofc13 ::5h:
:ofcset::kh::ofcset::ks::ofc9::jh::ofc11::3h::ofc1 1::3d:
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BaldBullBot
:ofc7::th::ofc9::as::ofc9::6d:
:ofcset::9s::ofc11::9c::ofc11::3s::ofc13::7h::ofc1 3::8c:
:ofcset::4c::ofcset::4h::ofcset::ad::ofcset::ac::o fc7::4s:
Discard: 8:spade: 3:club: 7:spade: 6:spade:
Play more aggressively at FL.Quote:
Originally Posted by epicname
You set the Q up top, don't discard a Q on the 2nd draw.
:ofcset::qd::ofc9::qs::ofc11::3d:
:ofcset::kh::ofcset::ks::ofc7::9d::ofc11::3h::ofc1 3::6c:
:ofcset::7d::ofcset::5c::ofc7::js::ofc9::jh::ofc13 ::jd:
Discard: 4:d: 7:c: 2:c: 5:h:
Maybe we don't set the open ended straight on the bottom since we're holding 2 kings which means 2 less outs?
Eric (dealer)
:ofcset::ks::ofcset::kh::ofc11::6d:
:ofcset::5c::ofc9::5h::ofc9::4h::ofc11::7h::ofc13: :2h:
:ofcset::jd::ofcset::9h::ofc7::qc::ofc7::th::ofc13 ::tc:
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BaldBullBot
:ofc7::qd::ofc13::ts::ofc13::6c:
:ofcset::6h::ofcset::5s::ofc7::kd::ofc9::ac::ofc11 ::kc:
:ofcset::9d::ofcset::3d::ofcset::3s::ofc9::9c::ofc 11::qs:
Discard: 7:diamond: 8:heart: 8:diamond: 4:club:
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babar1 (dealer)
T:s: J:s: K:c: / Q:h: J:h: T:c: 9:c: 8:d: / 2:h: 2:d: 2:c: A:c: A:h:
BaldBullBot
X / 4:s: 3:s: / J:c: Q:d: Q:c:
JJK/AAQ98/222TT
earns 2 more royalties.
When setting a boat, remember that the power is in the 3-of-a-kind part of the hand. Placing 222AA is exactly equal in hand value to 22233. Since only one person can have 3 of a card value, no boat-over-baot situation is determined by the pair.
When playing a boat, always use the smallest pair possible, so you may use larger pairs where their card value matters.
If you were playing for the straight in the mid, that's OK, but you can get more points from placing a pair of TT+ up top than for a straight in the mid. In general, play for highest royalties on FL hands.
(This is the pineapple thread, why no discard?)
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firstrow (dealer)
:ofc9::ad::ofc11::qs::ofc13::qh:
:ofcset::6c::ofcset::9s::ofc7::9d::ofc11::9c::ofc1 3::ks:
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BaldBullBot
:ofcset::ac::ofcset::4c::ofcset::7s:
:ofcset::jd::ofcset::js::ofcset::jh::ofcset::8h::o fcset::6s:
:ofcset::kh::ofcset::kd::ofcset::kc::ofcset::5d::o fcset::5h:
Discard: 3:spade:
You played fine.
I don't see why you played the 3 and discarded the 4 on 7th street.
It's BaldBullBot who laid a stinker.
The bot could have played
JJJ/KKKA5/87654
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Adiavroxos93 (dealer)
A:c: 5:h: T:s: / Q:c: Q:s: Q:d: 9:s: 4:s: / 8:h: 9:h: T:h: J:h: Q:h:
GlassJoeBot
2:s: / J:c: 6:c: / A:d: 8:d:
I'd have played AT9 up top, but it's incredibly unlikely that your 2nd kicker will matter.
The 9 has no value in the mid, anyway.
***
Why isn't it showing Hero's discard?
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JagaForever (dealer)
7:d: J:d: Q:c: / 3:d: 3:s: 4:c: 4:d: 4:s: / 9:c: 9:h: A:c: A:d: A:s:
ultrac
X / X / X
Congrats on the double boat!
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themiller85
Q:d: K:c: / 8:h: / 4:s: 4:c:
GlassJoeBot (dealer)
Q:c: / A:c: / 5:d: 5:h: 6:h:
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Pijntje75 (dealer)
6:d: K:c: K:d: / Q:h: T:s: T:h: Q:d: Q:c: / A:c: A:d: A:s: 7:d: 7:c:
BaldBullBot
X / 5:s: 3:c: / 4:h: J:h: 5:h:
Like a boss!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pijntje75
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chrislamee (dealer)
:ofc9::kd::ofc13::3c::ofc13::3d:
:ofcset::ac::ofcset::6s::ofcset::2c::ofc7::ah::ofc 9::4s:
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AwesomeIndividual13
:ofc9::tc::ofc9::th::ofc11::9h:
:ofcset::5c::ofcset::8s::ofc7::5d::ofc13::qc::ofc1 3::9s:
:ofcset::jc::ofcset::qh::ofcset::kh::ofc7::qd::ofc 11::js:
Discard: 2:heart: 8:heart: 4:diamond: 3:heart:
On the set, the Q goes up top. I'd split the KJ85 into J8 on the bottom and K5 in the mid. The plan is to draw a K and a Q and hit 2 pair on the bottom. If the two pair on the bottom comes in early, then 2 pair in the middle is an option... so long as the K hasn't paired yet.
On 7th
Pair the Q up top, pair the 5 in the mid, discard the 2
On 9th
Play the pair of T's on the bottom, discard the 8. Villain already played one of your outs (8), so going for T's is a higher pair with more outs.
On 11th
Play the J to the bottom, completing 2-pair: J8TTJ. 9's are more live (Villain played a 4), so go with the 9 to the mid, and discard the 4.
On 13th
Luckbox that 9 to the mid, making 2-pair: K5599. Play the 3 up top to avoid fouling with the Q and make QQ3
Final hand
QQ3
9955K
JJTT8
The middle got a bit scary near the end there. The danger was imposed with the K being no good to us as an out due to it making 2 pair in the mid higher than 2 pair on the bottom. It's a risk I take on the set, and there are other styles. It was pretty lucky to draw that 9 on 13th street.
Some people would set the KQ up top. Some would set like you did. I think the power of Fantasy Land is too great to be setting AKQ anywhere but the top. Placing a K or A in the mid when there's a Q up top can protect that FL bid.
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u_n_owen
X / 9:h: T:s: / 7:d: 7:h: 5:c:
GlassJoeBot (dealer)
3:h: / J:s: 5:s: / Q:d: 4:d:
I don't really like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by u_n_owen
You're going to be in trouble hitting 2 pair in the mid with this set. It could make you foul if you can't beat 2 pair on the bottom and you're looking at 77's up on the bottom and TT's up in the mid.
T9o is an OK starting hand in hold'em, but you are playing a tough game here trying to go for a straight in the mid. You've already blocked 7's from your straight draw, since you're obv playing them to the bottom. Plus you must hit at least a full house on the bottom to cover a straight, since you already laid a pair on the bottom.
In drawing to your straight, you're not only blocked on the 7's, putting you at drawing to J-high straights and above... but those Q+ cards are at home on the top row, not in the middle, making a straight.
Shoot for Fantasy Land whenever possible, and don't block a FL bid on later streets with your early streets, just because you don't have any high cards.
I much prefer to set it
XXX
95
77T
Don't play around with straights in the mid this time. Shoot for trips+ on the bottom, 2 pair in the mid, and hope for QQ+ up top.
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davec123 (dealer)
3:c: / 9:h: / 3:s: 2:s: 6:s:
GlassJoeBot
2:h: / 7:d: 4:c: / K:s: J:c:
This looks OK. 3 to a straight flush can give you some headaches on later streets when you have to decide whether or not to play a :s: that doesn't make the straight flush. Or playing a non-:s: to go for the straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by davec123
Nonetheless, you're never going to hit a straight flush if you don't go for it from time to time.
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OriginalAlan (dealer)
:ofcset::9s::ofc9::qs::ofc13::9d:
:ofcset::7d::ofcset::4d::ofc9::td::ofc11::7s::ofc1 3::th:
:ofcset::ah::ofcset::6h::ofc7::qh::ofc7::7h::ofc11 ::4h:
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diners
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I... don't see any misplays?Quote:
Originally Posted by diners
What happened here?
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jefftheriverrat
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:ofcset::6s::ofc7::6c::ofc9::3h::ofc11::5c::ofc13: :ks:
:ofcset::7h::ofcset::7d::ofcset::ad::ofc7::ah::ofc 13::8d:
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GlassJoeBot (dealer)
:ofcset::qh::ofc7::4h::ofc13::9c:
:ofcset::5s::ofc9::js::ofc11::jh::ofc11::kd::ofc13 ::7c:
:ofcset::6d::ofcset::td::ofcset::2d::ofc7::tc::ofc 9::6h:
Discard: 2:club: 4:spade: 2:spade: 3:diamond:
I like this set better:
Q
A
776
As played, on the second draw I'd place 8 in mid rather than up to.
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dLoc
:ofcset::4s::ofc13::5d::ofc13::5s:
:ofcset::2h::ofcset::8h::ofc9::ah::ofc11::6h::ofc1 1::qh:
:ofcset::3c::ofcset::kc::ofc7::9c::ofc7::jc::ofc9: :tc:
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GlassJoeBot (dealer)
:ofcset::4h::ofc9::3d::ofc13::5h:
:ofcset::js::ofc7::ks::ofc9::6c::ofc11::td::ofc13: :4d:
:ofcset::5c::ofcset::2c::ofcset::8c::ofc7::ad::ofc 11::ac:
Discard: K:heart: 2:diamond: 9:spade: 3:heart:
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alandin888 (dealer)
X / 5:d: 4:d: 2:d: / 6:c: 2:c:
diners
X / 9:s: 8:s: / Q:d: J:d: 8:d:
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givememyleg (dealer)
X / X / A:d: K:d: Q:d: J:d: T:d:
BaldBullBot
Q:s: / 2:s: 5:c: / 3:d: 7:d:
How's that for a deal? Here's a screen shot:
http://i.imgur.com/1Cuaaou.jpg
Looks like a missed opportunity to make a FL bid with a Q or KQ up top, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
Also, going for a flush when you already know you're twice blocked is risky.
Holding out for that royal on the draw was super risky, in the long run. If you didn't get all 5 cards at once, you'd have been screwed, for sure. Seems like you were really relying on that luck-box draw to make your hand, here.
Villain already has you beat with 5-high in the mid, anyway. His Q up top is brutal, too.
I don't see how you recover from this set.
Good points, maybe I should have set it KQ / A / JT, I'll keep that in mind next time I'm dealt a royal in 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
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wilky67
A:d: / 4:s: 7:d: / 6:c: K:c:
GlassJoeBot (dealer)
X / J:d: / 8:h: 7:c: 5:h: 4:c:
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wilky67 (dealer)
K:c: 5:s: Q:s: / 6:c: 6:s: 9:s: 9:h: 9:c: / 2:c: 2:d: A:d: A:s: A:c:
GlassJoeBot
Q:d: / 4:h: / J:h: J:s: 2:s:
You're in fantasyland, right? What was your 14th card?Quote:
Originally Posted by wilky67
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kingbruin (dealer)
3:c: / 6:s: 8:d: / A:h: 5:h:
GlassJoeBot
A:c: / T:d: / K:h: 8:h: 2:h:
I'd avoid setting a heart flush when you can already see 3 hearts on the table before your turn starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbruin
That said, this is an OK set, with no really big errors in it.
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zoeellisx
:ofcset::qc::ofc7::9h::ofc13::9s:
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BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofcset::ks::ofc9::4d::ofc13::jh:
:ofcset::ac::ofcset::2d::ofc7::qs::ofc11::2h::ofc1 1::qh:
:ofcset::5d::ofcset::th::ofc7::tc::ofc9::td::ofc13 ::8d:
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SWAT1215
:ofcset::qc::ofc9::qs::ofc13::7d:
:ofcset::kh::ofc7::9s::ofc9::ac::ofc11::9d::ofc13: :js:
:ofcset::kd::ofcset::jd::ofcset::4d::ofc7::8d::ofc 11::qd:
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BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofc7::ad::ofc7::8h::ofc13::9h:
:ofcset::9c::ofcset::5h::ofc9::6s::ofc9::6h::ofc11 ::3c:
:ofcset::th::ofcset::td::ofcset::7c::ofc11::4h::of c13::ts:
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DUCKNUTS
:ofcset::ks::ofc7::kh::ofc9::qd:
:ofc9::as::ofc11::8s::ofc11::2c::ofc13::ah::ofc13: :qc:
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BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofc9::3c::ofc9::3d::ofc11::5c:
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helion
X / 9:h: 4:h: / Q:d: A:d: 7:d:
GlassJoeBot (dealer)
X / 9:d: 6:s: / 4:s: 4:c: 3:h:
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helion
:ofc7::kc::ofc11::td::ofc13::ks:
:ofcset::9h::ofcset::4h::ofc9::2h::ofc11::9c::ofc1 3::2s:
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GlassJoeBot (dealer)
:ofc11::ah::ofc13::7c::ofc13::jc:
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helion (dealer)
:ofcset::kd::ofc11::js::ofc13::kh:
:ofcset::7s::ofcset::7c::ofc7::5c::ofc11::6s::ofc1 3::5h:
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GlassJoeBot
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RedBeard
8:c: / Q:h: J:s: / 6:d: 4:d:
GlassJoeBot (dealer)
Q:d: / 5:d: / 6:s: 6:c: 2:c:
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Blackclaw
:ofcset::ks::ofc11::6c::ofc13::3c:
:ofcset::7c::ofcset::2h::ofcset::4d::ofc7::3h::ofc 9::6h:
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BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofcset::qd::ofc7::8h::ofc13::ad:
:ofcset::kd::ofc7::6d::ofc9::kh::ofc11::td::ofc13: :9d:
:ofcset::tc::ofcset::qc::ofcset::8c::ofc9::jc::ofc 11::ac:
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Ev3R
:ofcset::qs::ofc11::qh::ofc13::8h:
:ofcset::4c::ofcset::6d::ofc9::6s::ofc9::4h::ofc13 ::qc:
:ofcset::th::ofcset::8c::ofc7::9c::ofc7::7c::ofc11 ::jc:
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BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofc11::kc::ofc11::as::ofc13::td:
:ofcset::5s::ofcset::4d::ofc7::3s::ofc7::2d::ofc9: :3c:
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Ev3R (dealer)
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BaldBullBot
Q:h: / 4:c: / 5:h: J:h: J:s:
would you have done QQ/7733/KKK vs way I decided. Id only guess this secondary hand would scoop more often but maybe I am over valuing small two pair vs a single big pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ev3R
naturally the boat plus the 77s give a bit more royality from the top but not sure 77 will scoop in this set vs having QQ/7733/ and then leaving back weaker with KKK.
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Mikey B
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junior (dealer)
:ofc7::qc::ofc11::kh::ofc13::kc:
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:ofcset::7d::ofcset::th::ofcset::js::ofc9::9c::ofc 13::7c:
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robert_wrath (dealer)
K:d: / A:d: / 9:d: 9:h: 7:c:
BaldBullBot
X / 2:s: 3:d: / T:s: 6:d: 8:c:
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spazzer (dealer)
:ofcset::3s::ofc9::qd::ofc13::4d:
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GlassJoeBot
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:ofcset::js::ofcset::7s::ofcset::8s::ofc7::ac::ofc 11::ah:
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spazzer
:ofcset::8d::ofcset::jh::ofcset::ad:
:ofcset::2c::ofcset::3c::ofcset::5c::ofcset::7c::o fcset::jc:
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GlassJoeBot (dealer)
:ofcset::kd::ofc11::2s::ofc13::8h:
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OskarNuts (dealer)
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BaldBullBot
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OskarNuts (dealer)
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BaldBullBot
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tiger689
3:c: / K:d: 7:d: / A:h: T:h:
BaldBullBot (dealer)
K:c: / 3:h: / 5:c: 6:d: 8:h:
Did I play it right?
givememyleg
:ofcset::qh::ofc9::ac::ofc11::ah:
:ofcset::ks::ofc7::kc::ofc7::th::ofc9::7c::ofc13:: kh:
:ofcset::9c::ofcset::9s::ofcset::8h::ofc11::9d::of c13::9h:
Discard: K:diamond: 5:heart: T:club: J:spade:
BaldBullBot (dealer)
:ofcset::as::ofc11::ad::ofc13::ts:
:ofcset::5d::ofc7::2h::ofc7::5s::ofc11::6h::ofc13: :4c:
:ofcset::3c::ofcset::6c::ofcset::8c::ofc9::3d::ofc 9::3h:
Discard: Q:spade: 4:diamond: 4:spade: Q:diamond:
it stiill works!