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and u have mah bow.
AND MAH AXE.
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i will moderate this thread the best i can, u have mah word.
and u have mah bow.
AND MAH AXE.
ya i would bet all my star wars cards that no bookreaders are posting in the TWoP unspoiled speculation thread. well, not the fett man, obv
Thanks bikes, you're the man. I really hoped that since FTR is such a smaller community that the thread could be more or less self moderated... but idk, maybe after that whole mess, we are over the hump and it will be smooth sailing from here on out?Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
Also, the newest thread title should surely help out. The previous titles (even the original) were quite misleading.
It's happening again tonight! Every week I can't believe that I've survived a week without a new episode of this show. I think I'm way more obsessed with it this season.. and the withdraw that follows the season finale is going to be extreme. But until then.. there's always next Sunday, until there's not.
If the dragon lady is trying to become the Khalisee of the Khals and wage war with dragons + dothraki army, she's gonna get rocked come winter. The dothraki will suck nuts in any territory far enough north.
Oh god, Tyrion's quips this episode were great!
Tyrion is such a fucking boss. Only Tyrion (and maybe Tywin, yet I doubt we'll see Joffrey and Tywin on screen at once) could verbally abuse Joffrey like that and walk away from it.
it vexes me how they recasted gregor clegane.
ep was madreal
they did? He did look bigger...Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
wtf gregor clegane was in that? where?
they should have cancelled the show instead of recast him
guy who was picking ppl to torture/kill
holy fuck that hot redhead witch with the nice tits firing out that smoke monster demon baby? I wanna see that thing fuck up some lannister bitchez mmmhmmmm.
the big tall fellow. with the big tall burly voice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
also the guy who says 'we werent expecting you until tomorrow lord twyin'
fucking loved twyin coming into that prison camp like a boss and sorting things out.
Who was Clegane in the first season? The dude that de-horsed that horse's head?
Stannis has a small army + pirates + shadow demon son
Renly has a large army + butch champion
Lannisters have a very large army + gold
Starks have a very large army + dire wolves
Targaryons have very small Dothraki army + dragons
Greyjoys have a large navy
Stannis > Renly without Stark support. Getting rocked will drive Renly to coordinate closely with Rob.
Everything else is waiting on winter.
WINTER IS COMING
I don't wanna sound like a superdork or nuthin' but don't dragons take forever to reach maturity? so what's her tits will only be able to use them symbolically to raise armies and gain power for the remainder of these books. Unless her dragon blood gives her super long life and the books stretch many generations or she fires out some dragon blood offspring that'll take over for her or dragons actually grow quicker in this world than in D&D world.
I'd be pretty cool to see some juvenile dragons kicking ass too, don't get me wrong.
...so much for not sounding like a superdork
Stannis- correctQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Renly- no, Renly has the biggest army currently on the field, ~100k men
Lannisters- no, they have a medium army, ~60k the last time we heard a count
Starks- no, they have a fairly small army, last count it was ~20k
Targ- no, they have no army, what we saw Sunday night is the totality of Dany's 'horde', a handful of men, Jorah, some women, and her infant dragons
Greyjoys- yep
btw, in the scene covering the aftermath of the pre-dawn Stark vs Lannister surprise attack, the guy who says "a naked man has few secrets, a flogged man has none." check out the sigil embossed on his leather chest armor.
:mad:OI,
How many troops does the crown command because this means the Lannisters are screwed. They can't fight on 2 or 3 fronts.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
And how do all the bannermen of the North rally only 20k troops but Renly rolls with 100k? Where'd Renly's forces come from?
Could be something as simple as Renly is the most popular guy south of King's Landing. Those with Baratheon and Tyrell allegiances are on his side, and perhaps the Martels or whatever else is south of KLQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Northern/cold regions usually have lower populations, but each man is more valuable due to being better equipped to withstand the climate and terrain. IIRC, it's like how during one of the world wars, the Soviets outnumbered one of the Scandinavian countries like 10:1, but when they invaded, they got nowhere and their casualties were close to 10:1
Also, GRRM doesn't understand geography and probably not much about logistics. His geography is fucking awful. In the real world, the Narrow Sea would be way too small to keep the continents so isolated, Qarth would not be a lone city on the water source, but one of many, the Dothraki wouldn't be able to maintain so many horses, the Greyjoys couldn't really even be a culture with fortified location, almost every nation here would have lots of navy, not just the Greyjoys and the guy who wants to fuck the queen. Hell, King's Landing's navy would dwarf any other on the planet, just on the geography
The crown doesn't have a standing army as I understand it, just the gold cloaks and the kings guard. But, yes, the Lannisters are losing the war, but they have hope if they can get the other sides to fight each other. Which is happening-- Stannis vs Renly, and the Greyjoys are raiding the North, which will likely force Robb to retreat.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
As for where Renly's numbers came from... House Tyrell is the second richest house in the kingdom, and Renly is extremely popular, so he essentially has all of the banners of the Stormlands and the Reach, which unsurprisingly dwarfs every other army on the field-- at least as far as numbers go.
dont ruin it with your logic and science, you bastard!Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
You mean the lone city in Essos? You can see in the intro that there are more - Pentos, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Ya, what do you mean "lone city on the water source"?
HBOgo interactive map content, not spoilery at all imo, but it's worth it to spoiler tag nonetheless I think
Spoiler:There are currently maybe a dozen cities shown in Essos, seemingly the map will be updated with more if the show ever goes there.
Curiously, the sea farthest to the east is named the Jade Sea. Jade often being associated with the Orient makes this map feature rather intriguing. Maybe we will see some rug pissing Chinamen?
I don't consider the HBOgo map a spoiler. Every fantasy novel I remember had maps in the front of the book. Plus I think that map only designates areas that have been mentioned, with some unmentioned geographical landmarks.
Anyways, Qarth is on a peninsula and a narrow channel. This means the "Sea of Bones" or what Jorah called the land around Qarth would not exist. There would be great activity all along the coastline, and even if there wasn't, wanderers would still contact enough wildlife and food to not default die if Qarth shuts its doors to them.
Geographically, GRRM uses way too much sea/water access for them to have such small navies and mobility. The food sources and travel logistics seem all sorts of messed up too.
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It's funny when you relate Westeros, Essos, and Valyria to each other. It shows that the Iron Throne would not have been the Targaryen's destination, nor would it have been their primary care. Essos is more their region, and it looks much more relevant to the entire planet than Westeros even
From the beginning, I had this sort of problem with the logistics, but never said anything because I don't know the timelines. I guess you could make sense of things like the Dothraki being more powerful than all of Westeros, yet the Targaryens not conquering them if the dragons died before the Dothraki were anything big. However, the Targ coming from Valyria to Westeros makes no sense since Essos is their front door, and not establishing the Iron Throne in Essos, or at least with rule Essos from King's Landing doesn't make sense. The lore is as if Qarth, Vaes Dothrak, and even Pentos were not conquered by the dragons, but that's senseless since the dragons were to conquer everything. Why doesn't the Iron Throne rule over Pentos? No reason that makes sense based in what we've been told. Pentos being the way it has been portrayed is like if Germany had dragons and ruled over the European Throne for ages, yet not London. And Essos would be much easier to conquer than those Germany-dragons conquering Russia and Asia, which would have happened if at any point in Earth's history, Germany had the Targaryen powers
Shit don't make no sense
Iron Standard and Mid-Westeros made me cackle.
I dont get the qarth hate. I honestly dont know why there is a red wasteland...but surely its possible for it to exist. Whether you argue that its just some land that is naturally infertile, or that man did it intentionally, or that its the result of dragon fire or something, it surely isnt that hard to believe that a red waste land could exist in this area that has very few cities around it (as you would expect of a wasteland).
theres pretty much nothing around quarth either, so that easily explains why it isnt a major city with tons of activity. Who are they gonna trade with? What exactly do they even have to trade?
Makes sense to me.
Re Navy size: Its been a time of peace.
On the contrary, Qarth seems to be a trading mecca, otherwise it's existence in the middle of the desert with seemingly no arable lands around it just doesn't make sense. Also we have the clue that the unnamed speaker mentioned that he is "but a humble merchant" or something like that.
You've got me there. Hrmmm, now i dont get qarth for different reasons than wuf then lol.
When did we find out the Targarians are from Valyria? And I'm not sure that I agree with most of your geography nits, however this is the sort of nittery I enjoy, and I would like to hear more reasoning behind it. Why can't Qarth stand alone? Are there no historical examples of such cities? A sort of waypoint on the road, an oasis, where if you are denied entry your chances of survival on the road are slim... I'll do some wiki'ing, I'm pretty sure I can come up with an example.
Careful boost, wiki-ing will give u massive spoilers. MASSIVE.
:mad:this is not the sort of nittery I enjoy. Moar about tits, smoke monsters, dragons, incest, and whore-beating.:mad:
In light of the old gods being real and fire gods manifesting shadow demons, what is up with Bran's dreams? 3 eye'd crows and him being wolves?
The issue is that there's a coastline. Coastline and inlets provide for most of the pre-industrial world's population. Qarth couldn't have a Sea of Bones because it's not an oasis in the middle of a desert, it's one small place on a TON of coastlineQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Boost's point about trading mecca is astute. That entire coastline would be a trading mecca. In fact, the region would probably be a bigger place than Westeros since Westeros seems to be unrealistically isolated from anywhere else. The Narrow Sea *should* be nothing more than a channel like between Britain and the mainland
It was a time of peace because the Targs ruled. Without dragons, the Targs couldn't rule with the shit navy they have. One of the keys of civilization is use of water, everything from transportation and military to food. The Iron Throne not ruling over the greatest navy is just bad logisticsQuote:
Re Navy size: Its been a time of peace.
Pretty sure season one said Targs came from Valyria. I'm not googling it though.Quote:
When did we find out the Targarians are from Valyria? And I'm not sure that I agree with most of your geography nits, however this is the sort of nittery I enjoy, and I would like to hear more reasoning behind it. Why can't Qarth stand alone? Are there no historical examples of such cities? A sort of waypoint on the road, an oasis, where if you are denied entry your chances of survival on the road are slim... I'll do some wiki'ing, I'm pretty sure I can come up with an example.
The Sea of Bones would work if Qarth was an oasis, but it's clearly not. It's like Spain, and GRRM assumes that this Spain wouldn't have a France, UK, or Morocco around it. In many ways, a better example would be that Qarth is like United Arab Emirates, but we know a lot more about Europe than the Middle East, so I try to make my analogies there, I guess
who the hell cuts out the other ones?
http://i.imgur.com/8T2eq.jpg
That's exactly what Qarth is - the Arabian Penisula. Look at the map and consider the societies we've seen...it's exceptionally similar to Earth (WITH WINTERFELL ALL TORONTO-Y AND KING'S LANDING AS SHITTY WASHINGTON DC, the Dothraki like the Mongols) with the Atlantic shrunk so that we wouldn't be all like, whatever GRRM, there was no crossing of the Atlantic in Medieval Times, fucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Season 1 went on and on about how broke King's Landing is. They can't afford a navy.
My two main points are that Qarth is like UAE, but GRRM's version of Qarth is not. UAE doesn't have a Sea of Bones around it. All that coastline is in heavy use; so if Qarth rejects you, just go to a different part of the coastQuote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
The other point is that the Narrow Sea is not like the Atlantic, but a channel. If it was the size of the Atlantic then the trip from Pentos to Vaes Dothrak is not scaled even close to correctly and would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long for virtually anything to survive and would be like traveling from Israel to China while taking the time it would take to walk the whole globe or something
Also, KL being too broke to afford a navy would mean that within the year, a navy destroys them. Navies completely and utterly rule land areas where there's sea access. That's why, in history class, we learned so much about the naval dominance of Spain and Britain along with their vast empires.
GRRM's world has greater access to sea than our current world, yet less mobility. It's weird. One of the most important aspects of how civilization develops/distributes is sea access
I did not mean wiki'ing the show, I meant wiki'ing actual historical cities and whatnot that would show that GRRM's geography isn't horseshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
LESS NITTERY MORE ENJOYAMENT IMO
bikes' response every time he sees me post: ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
I'm sure you're half joking, but the world GRRM created is clearly a heavily Anglo-centric world view. Westeros is essentially mainland Britain but 10x the size. People from the north even tend to have Scottish accents.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
some preliminary googling on oasis cities...
Mediterranean was once dry. Mind blown.Quote:
When the Mediterranean Sea was a hot dry hollow near the end of the Messinian Salinity Crisis ...
I also dislike most of your posts in this thread, but the climate change ned poast was fantasticQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
wtf how do u dislike my posts? ive been making some nifty predictions
I guess it's the whole "here's why this is unfeasible in the real world" shenanigans.
I don't get engrossed in fantasy only to have reality come and crash my party :x
im sorry, i didnt consider it much party crashing. lots of stuff has to be taken for granted with almost every fiction, i understand this. i do think the geography stuff sticks out interestingly, but not importantly
im like a cross between the most pragmatic yet most imaginary person. no stories are as enjoyable as a good fantasy or scifi, but when the logistics are off, i tend to notice it
o btw, a big ice wall couldnt exist, dragons arent real, and pregnant ladies dont give birth to wraiths
you don't KNOW that, man :xQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
do u have a kid or something?
Why can't the ice wall exist?
lol
have you seen the size of that thing? im not sure our world has anything even 1/10th the size not backed by natural geological rock/ice formations
The Wall is pretty much something that was created way back when, in magical times forgotten, but I guess it could be real if it was mostly stone like used in Giza and China's Great Wall.
Doesn't really matter though. My nittery is really only about superficial aspects of generalizations
hey i found an old gif of arya (look to the first split second of it, total arya)
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/a...F/image-12.gif
but if you wanted to get SUPER nitty you could go on about how the wall is too slender to be real. reality would require a sort of ascending base/structure to build in the first place. but then all sorts of nittery apperas like OMG THEYRE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS OMG.. NED STARK ISNT REALL HOW CAN YOU BEVLEIE THIS TRASH OMG
ive been drinking eff why eye. i also wanna poke my gif right in the boobie. should probably change it, but cant. needs to be poked
ha, you are a strange one, that's for sure.
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ffs boost stfu, it's badass to have an ICE WALL. Let's just say some fucking Eskimo mason wizards cast the spell of hot piss melting snow to solidify up a bunch of superice that will keep blue glowing eyed monsters the eff out.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
huh? I wasn't nitting, I was asking what the basis for wuf's nitting was.Quote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
I'm not really seriously hating on the nitting, I nit from time to time...just f'n around, trying to lighten the mood after the shitshow that was the last couple pages :x
Angry face is my favorite ftr emoticon.
Well, I did just want to suggest the Starks are Canadians, but Westeros is probably more of a amalgam of the Western world than strictly North America or England, what with a frozen North and a hot South that's reminiscent of Spain or the Southern US.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
dranger, I haven't used +/- reps since like a week after the system was implemented. You are the exception.
stop being a cunt dranger.
Cant make me stop daaaaaawg.
WHY SO SERIOUS BRO?Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Black man rage is so cute, especially since its over a tv show lololololololololol
Banned 24h starting when I wake up.
If dranger were in GoT, he'd be Hodor's dong.
did i miss some spoilerts?
bikes deleted a bunch of dranger posts, including one where he said I was the greatest thing to happen to this thread and that I was more handsome than jamie lannister
lol amazing
I didn't see any actual spoilers that he posted recently, but he was just being a complete douche, making light of the idea that someone actually cares about not being spoiled.
There's very little that I would actually get mad about online... but spoiling something is not an insult, it can't be taken back, and it can't be forgotten. So, ya, tv shows and movies are serious business.
on another note, new sig is awesome wuf, I want to pee all up in her butt.
edit: actually he did do some borderline stuff, by giving the thumbs up to someone's specific speculation. That is exactly what book readers should not be doing.
A+
The costume design on Stannis in that scene is impeccable. Balon's get-up was pretty nifty too. Whoever is in charge of this is really nailing it.
angryface is the new period to end a sentence :xQuote:
Originally Posted by bikes
they're doon' this shit right imo. After years and years of horrible tv fantasy we finally get some fucking quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Hey boost!
Guess what...? I haven't read the books, but I have skimmed the wiki pages for the next few books to find out what happens with a few plots.
How does that make you feel?
That's cool. I mean, I kinda cringe at the thought of self spoiling. Reading the books is one thing, you are enjoying the same story in a different medium... But cliffs or wiki'ing seems like you're getting the gist, but missing out on a lot. To each his own though.
But if you mean, how do I feel about you posting in this thread while having that knowledge... I couldn't care less, because I assume you are intelligent enough to not drop spoilers, and if someone points out how a post of yours could imply certain future events, you wouldn't get defensive and then post more spoilers.
cliffs: you are a mature(ok, maybe not, but you know what I'm saying) person who can handle the responsibility of not spoiling the rest of us.
Oh yeah, that's the stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
If Sansa doesn't murder Joffrey, I'm gonna be so damn pissed.
Her story is probably the best subplot of the whole show, on the theoretical level, that is. The whole "being wed to the king who murdered your father while at war with your brother" thing. They could do some really awesome storytelling with having Sansa trying to avenge her father
[ ] spoiled anything for anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by boost
[x] defended self against bitching from e-tard.
Dude, didn't you just get banned for being obnoxious in this thread? Anyone with any sense thinks you were at the very least on the edge, and they also probably think I was too harsh. But despite how I responded, you were at the very least on the edge. The fact that you can't see that... I mean.. I just don't even know what to say anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
I don't get what your goal is here.. are you just going to troll this thread for eternity? Don't you have anything better to do? We disagree on what is a spoiler, as a result there are now two threads suitable for both of us to post in... So, like, just go away, or stop being an obnoxious child.
Im one of those persistent pieces of shit that you cant get rid of.
Stop posting in this thread dranger. I'm not telling you again. You made it clear already in the thread you weren't gonna post in this thread again and I'm not gonna let you troll the people who don't want even the slightest hint of anything spoiled.
Fuck me I guess. I act like an ass for two posts, instabanned for a day. Get called a piece of shit and berated in an extremely over the top fashion and not a single word is said a out it.
C.S.B.
Yeah except he apologized and you continued to act like a douche.
Apparently your trolling in this thread isn't entertaining to anyone but yourself. Cut it out, it's already wasted enough pages of this thread, nobody gives a shit who started it, or who was more annoying or if you were treated unfairly, I think we just all want it to stop :xQuote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
Im just living up to the piece of shit name.
caption the black guy as "dranger trying to post in the GoT thread" and white guy as "moderator"
http://clutch.mtv.com/wp-content/upl.../03/a2vqrl.gif
btw dranger here's your new sig. apropos imo
http://i.imgur.com/imVi8.gif
http://i.imgur.com/YPrOP.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
9 pm Sunday
Let us gogogogo
solid episode
A lot of the new plots are really good
Glad Renly died. Not because I thought he should, but because google spoiled me on him eventually dying. The way he went was pretty damn lame, but now it's obvious the whole thing was just a small setup for something bigger. Each new episode looks to be more important than they really are in the scheme of the whole story, thus Renly appeared a more significant character than he really was, I guess
The shadow queef monster usage suggested that magic is really limited, as he just appeared, killed, then vanished. It also seems that each "major power" is being provided with their own super powers, so as to even the field. Last episode, it seemed the Lannisters were soon to be a dead family walking, but now they have more firepower than anybody
Every bit of Theon's scene suggested he's betraying Robb, except for one small bit where he decides to attack a different target based on an undisclosed reason.
Dorea is hot as shit. Would bang, then smack until she cries, then bang again
Not a fan of Jorah. He seems like such a prototype of androgyny or something.
Stannis showed extra layers. Davos and Stannis are gonna be kind of a big deal IMO
The opening theme and HBO maps are not sync'd. HBO map has Qarth and The Wall being far as shit from each other, but the theme scene has them being not that far when passing over a southern pole, it seems. Which doesn't make sense in itself, but ultimately doesn't matter
Really dig the Brienne/Lady Stark stuff. Not sure why, but my three favorite stories right now are Sansa's, Arya's (relative to Tywin) and Brienne/Cat
Renly's death was perfect. It's why this show is so amazing. It's not the normal suspenseful build up in the last five minutes, commercial break, re-engage suspense, oh shit he's about to do it, Next Time on Game of Thrones: Does he do it? Find out next week.
Instead Renly is just relaxing early in an episode when no major characters would ever be killed and all of the sudden, he's down.
I guess I didn't like the "get out of jail free card" aspect of it. Need to get rid of the most powerful lord? Just create a new magic in the previous episode then use it to kill him in the next episode. Brilliant!
I have a guess that the new Brad Pitt with long hair guy might have magic powers too. How did he kill that one guy? He didn't shoot him with an arrow or anything. Wouldn't be surprised if he used his mind or some shit
Also, fucking hate Shae. She couldn't die any sooner. Just needed to say that
Yeah, I get that. But the shadow demon came at some undisclosed future cost. Stannis owes for Renly's death. He'll prob die to the Red Woman when she senses him trying edge her out.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy