Shit just got very interesting. My gut feeling tells me that DTB is a wolf here WAY more often than the angel, but that story will be told soon enough.
As for today I am ok with either TLR, Boog or Fulksy.
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Shit just got very interesting. My gut feeling tells me that DTB is a wolf here WAY more often than the angel, but that story will be told soon enough.
As for today I am ok with either TLR, Boog or Fulksy.
The wolves would eat that individual quickly. It's information that is only useful for a very limited time. If I had a longer list of lookups, I'd agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopyDude
I'm not really going to throw you to the wolves Benny. I'll flip a coin and decide who to save and if the wolves want to flip against me then it's just unlucky whoever gets it between us tonite. Just plan your actions for tonite like you're going to see tomorrow.
If you don't believe me, you are in the position to get a definite answer and since the village hangs on your every word, I would prefer it.
I am surprised at how fast a BW started to roll against me, with very little reasoning
I am a villager, and I still think SDM is our best bet.
I am also highly suspecious of Flomo at this point, he is playing very low profile and just enough not to get modkilled.
Stealing my pink text how DARE YOU! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
I am as well... as a wolf you tend to be a lot more verbose. You're either changing it up or are a regular villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
My vote belongs to the seer. If anyone sees me deviate from that, I'm an easy lynch/vig shot.Quote:
I am a villager, and I still think SDM is our best bet.
If Benny votes to lynch me, I vote to lynch myself.
I could go for a Flomo lynch if Benny desires it. Low-profile players are very bad for the village.Quote:
I am also highly suspecious of Flomo at this point, he is playing very low profile and just enough not to get modkilled.
As I recall self lynching is punishable by suspection, benny, I would be tempted if I were you...Quote:
Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney
Yeah, but they still rank above Lolcat players coming out as fake seers and blindly voting the way the seer votesQuote:
Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney
If SDM is a wolf, he deserves this. This level of insanity is pretty epic.
Your confusing insanity with stupidity
Self-lynching rules vary by moderator. I've done it at least three times before. The first time was in my first game and nobody batted an eye. I also remember doing it once before the most recent rilla game where I had the epic suicide death message (thanks again for that rilla :cool:).Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
In regione caecorum rex est luscus.Quote:
Yeah, but they still rank above Lolcat players coming out as fake seers and blindly voting the way the seer votes
- Desiderius Erasmus, Adagia (III, IV, 96)
Some final thoughts before I head back to work (I should be on against tonight). Here is how I see things now:
wolf suspects:
DropTheBanana - wolf
His play this game seems to be consistent with his last game as a wolf. As a villager his posts had content, and as a wolf they seem to be aloof.
Willburforce - wolf
Tends to talk more as a villager. Is usually funnier as a villager as well.
GatorJH - possible wolf
You never know with Gator, of course. His posts just seem to lack the effort and urgency they do compared to when he plays as a villager. His laid-back "damn guys I'm also trying to figure things out" attitude is similar to what he played last game where he eased his way to victory. He mentions Onga on day 1 early in the game as posting a lot and excited, then Onga gets killed that very night. Then the best villager in the history of WW (JackVance) dies on night 2. This kill pattern is consistent with how Gator plays as a wolf. Since Gator is a good player, though, it is possible he tuned his style to be more survivalist.
I have no other suspects right now, but I do feel rather strongly about DTB and WF. Here are some thoughts on other villagers:
DanAronG - villager
He goes after me every single game, and from my vantage point looks wolfy every game. With some reflection I'm putting him firmly in my villager camp.
TLR - villager
Is a lot more spastic as a wolf. He's a villager in my books, but I'm voting the way Benny does right now.
Carroters - villager
Current style of play is consistent with past performance as a villager. I don't think he is a wolf.
I have no strong feelings about the other players right now, but to me they aren't suspicious enough right now to name as possible wolves.
Wow, that came out badly. I'll repeat the above post but this time fix the formatting.
Some final thoughts before I head back to work (I should be on against tonight). Here is how I see things now:
wolf suspects:
DropTheBanana - wolf
His play this game seems to be consistent with his last game as a wolf. As a villager his posts had content, and as a wolf they seem to be aloof.
Willburforce - wolf
Tends to talk more as a villager. Is usually funnier as a villager as well.
GatorJH - possible wolf
You never know with Gator, of course. His posts just seem to lack the effort and urgency they do compared to when he plays as a villager. His laid-back "damn guys I'm also trying to figure things out" attitude is similar to what he played last game where he eased his way to victory. He mentions Onga on day 1 early in the game as posting a lot and excited, then Onga gets killed that very night. Then the best villager in the history of WW (JackVance) dies on night 2. This kill pattern is consistent with how Gator plays as a wolf. Since Gator is a good player, though, it is possible he tuned his style to be more survivalist.
I have no other suspects right now, but I do feel rather strongly about DTB and WF. Here are some thoughts on other villagers:
DanAronG - villager
He goes after me every single game, and from my vantage point looks wolfy every game. With some reflection I'm putting him firmly in my villager camp.
TLR - villager
Is a lot more spastic as a wolf. He's a villager in my books, but I'm voting the way Benny does right now.
Carroters - villager
Current style of play is consistent with past performance as a villager. I don't think he is a wolf.
I have no strong feelings about the other players right now, but to me they aren't suspicious enough right now to name as possible wolves.
Not overly convinced with that outing but I guess:
Rescind DTB
After winning last game I was a wolf and almost winning the game before that (bigred flipped better than I did that game) I am expecting to be seen as a wolf just about every game, however if anyone says my "style is different" at this point of the game then they are just plain wrong. I tend to lay back and absorb things early in the game and pick up the posting/strategy contributions when the field gets thinned.
If the seer is overly concerned that my play this game is wolfish I am certain I will get looked up. If not then feel free to lynch me, just don't use the "Gator skated to victory last game" argument, because that is an insult to how much thought and strategy I put into that game to win it.
If the majority of us believe that at some point that SDM should be shot, hung, or is going to be eaten I don't understand what is holding this wagon back?
What good is he to us just latching on to Benny like that? It gives us absolutely no information voting pattern wise and allows him to slide through votes since he already announced his exact voting plan.
I'm also curious as to how I can make it to 7 votes on speculation and the fact I refreshed the thread after a wolf was brought out, but SDM can just run around and reek havoc and confusion in the village and and everyone is like "Awwwwww, look at the cute little SDM"
If we lawyer SDM and Benny does his thing tonite (assuming we win the flip [if the wolves are feeling courageous] and he makes some sort of an announcement) then we'll have a firm grasp as to where we stand. We'll nail down some of the accusations from today/previous days and have a clear path to start a group discussion on how my wagon panned out after Benny bolded me. We're grasping at straws right now and while I respect peoples votes for TLR, is it really going to give us more to hold on to than an SDM lynch?
Assuming I'm looked up tonite we will blow the doors wide open to analyze and win if we get rid of him.
I just don't think there is a better choice at this point other than that.
That nails it for me.
SDM >>> TLR today in terms of info.
lynch SDM
It's definitely not goin to hurt the village voting SDM, so lawyer SDM
Are we totally believing DTB here? I can get behind an SDM lynch now. He's made me semi-turned off to the game. I still don't think he's a fed but getting rid of him means I'll enjoy the game more.
Rescind DTB
Lawyer SDM
It's not necessary yet. My point of view has changed with all the shit that has come to light today. Rather than try to take down a wolf first and foremost, I'm now of the mindset that we should try to hurt the village the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
It all comes down to you and me. If I die, we know you're telling the truth and SDM should be lynched or shot next and you can follow the trail of posts by or about SDM to determine where to go. If I live, you die next, SDM looks a lot less wolfy and we know to go elsewhere to determine who to lynch next. If the angel protects whoever from getting nommed, we'll know a lot more from that and can determine the next course of action with significant info behind us. If you're the angel and I was protected, you can, of course, tell us that was the case and you'll be trusted.
I think that removes you from the decision making today, which is important for the village. If you are a wolf, SDM is likely not and bring rid of SDM today is something you want for some reason.
I'd rather go after someone unconnected to the players mentioned above. I think lynching flomo now harms the village the least. My TLR vote was just to get a reaction. I consider what I got to be no reaction so it neither clears him or confirms him.
No, you shouldn't totally believe DTB today, not yet. Enough people believe this is a tactic that doing what he wants is a bad idea. All will come to light tomorrow. If I die, believe him all you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Total Player Votes:
DTB 2
SDM 6
TLR 3
Boog 1
8 votes need
I thought I would pop my head in real quick... lynch train is rolling on me, not going to resist this time. bigred, am I permitted to self-lynch in this game?
Nope
All right guys great game good luck village!
if SDM turns out to be a wolf it will TOTALLY change how I perceive the wolves to be playing this game.
If SDM turns out to be a villager, he should be banned.
...away for a night and day and it all goes crazy.
I doubt that DTB is the angel, but we'll see. I think we need to get the day over with, see where we're at
Recind whoever, lawyer SDM
For what? Fake outing as a seer is not permited?Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
Permitted but not really that good an idea if you're a regular villager. Look at the confusion. Villagers that cause confusion are liabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney
But know that I was just being Benny...I was kidding.
I'm certain he isn't a wolf now, but I still think the best thing is to lynch him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
He's good for the game - he's like the crazy Russians on Pstars. You just have no fking clue what they're doing....
yea i agree with benny that DTB's approach to his defense is dumb as shit if he's the angel. But basically im just stoked to have SDM out of the game so early for once.
I'm getting a funny feeling from Willbur. A real bad feeling actually. I can't put my finger on it though. Sigh, I wish SDM didn't tilt me so much. I would easily bold Willbur.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
I'm just being my usual villagary self. Luckily The vig hasn't just randomly shot me in the face this time.
You only have to wait one day before you can. Factor in showers, eating, sleeping... it's like 3 or 4 hours really.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
In b4 someone comments on BooG showering.
There is no direct rule against it but it defeats the purpose of the game, there is an underlying assumpion that you are playing to help your team win, and if you purposely go against your team it makes the game unfair, for example if a wolf is about to be lynches and posts who all the other wolves are just to end the game he should be bannedQuote:
Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney
I think SDM had good intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
This is like the second time I've come back to this thread and got a rush of "WTF is this?"
I'd wait to lynch SDM after I got home to see if anything new pops up as I'm pretty sure he's the vig. Who the funking waggles doesn't shoot SDM but SDM? But this day has been rich with info and the convo has died out.
rescind TLR
lawyer SDM
As an aside, I don't really mind SDMs outing fetish. It's confusing and brings a foreign element to the usual sort of game. I just couldn't understand why he didn't just do one lolcat and move off. I have zero interest in parsing that crap faux kid's language.
ARRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
hahahahahh i so hope so
he's got 8, so can you just go ahead and confirm he was a wolf??????
also wbf and rilla with no impact SDM votes there at the end if he does turn out to be a wolf.
I'm totally stunned if he's actually a wolf.
im not thats why i kept pushing for him
will be so disappointed if he did the arrroooo for no reason lol
LOL This is actually what I expect.Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Exactly my thought and why I've been putting the brakes on. We shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
If this is true I DEFINITELY have a thought that fulksy is a wolf as well. Once it is confirmed I will post those thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney
For now, in case he hasn't officially died I may as well rescind TLR, lawyer SDM
my quick thoughts (in case I die tonight) are related to wuf's quote that made me believe SDM wasn't a wolf. If wuf was that bold then he may have also been bold enough to throw out a lynch vote for a fellow wolf as well to try and gain separation.
In that line of thought he voted for fulksy, IIRC, when there were plenty of other votes out there he could have gone with. Fulksy seems to be wolfish to me, but I keep hesitating because I keep wondering why wuf would do that. Based on SDM potentially being a wolf that changes things up and fulksy could be one as well.
If SDM is a wolf, I don't think he played that badly. If he's a vullager, then he is just usless.
If SDM is a wolf, this post of wuf's could become important:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2032853
He points out 6 ppl, Roid, fulksy, DTB, Labour, flomo, and SDM.
Roid, he simply accuses of being a wolf. We know he wasn't.
Fulksy, he wavers, could be a wolf, might not be.
DTB, he wavers. We'll know tomorrow what he is.
Flomo, he simply accuses of being a wolf.
SDM, he wavers.
I see this as a positioning post, providing an excuse for wavering on certain ppl. This could exonerate flomo and implicate fulksy. Again, if SDM is a wolf, it would be human nature not to place the two wolves next to each other in a list containing some lies. As well, he isn't providing himself a reason to not vote for flomo, he's simply accusing him.
where is big red ridinghood :(
Cufflink emergency, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
SDM's biggest slip up imo is being like "everyone thought ong bonga was a special" when nobody had even said close to that....obviously one of his wolf buddies said it in their den.
I dunno, looking back I was right with my initial thoughts I think. His behavior if a wolf was odd but almost made sense. As a villager its ridiculous.
looking back at votes and previous posts my list of villagers/wolves changes a bit :
VILLAGERS:
-Dan A
-TLR
-HOOPY
-PHILLY
-FLOMO
-500LB
-CARROTERS
WOlVES:
-GATOR
-BOOG
?
-FLOMO
-WILLBUR
EDIT : Villager now includes DTB, this is based on SDM being a wolf.
Nothing's confirmed. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if SDM was just being a troll with his 'ARROOO' post.
I have been informed that in the past that after an ARROOOO went out and the thread took a while to get locked, the ARROOOer rescinded.
I rescind. Sorry guys, I'm a regular villager. I expected the thread to be locked minutes after I posted and for the village to be informed almost immediately, but it looks like bigred is busy.
Busy day folks, thanks to whoever locked thread
Final Votes:
SDM 9
TLR 2
Boog 1
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C4-72pO-2Q...at-500x332.jpg
SDM, a regular poker player, left the game the same way he entered...an lolcat and no dignity.
13 players with manies in their accounts:
a500lbgorilla
HoopyDude
Philly and the Phanatics
Flomo
Carroters
Boog690
GatorJH
DanAronG
DropTheBanana
BennyLaRue
TLR
Willburforce
Fulksy
Frozen Accounts:
Labourhater, a normal poker player, was lawyered on Day 1
Ongbonga, a normal poker player, had account frozen on Night 1
Wufwugy, a Fed, got lawyered on Day 2
Jackvance, a normal poker player, had account frozen on Night 2
Roid_Rage, a normal poker player, was tweeted on Night 2
SDM, a normal poker player, was lawyered on Day 3
7 Players
Lee Jones
Defense Attorney
Tom Dwan
3 Feds
It's Night 3! Specials PM me by 8PM EST Friday May 6th.
Specials need to PM me by 8pm EST today. That's in one hour and twenty minutes. If I get your PM at 8:01PM you don't get to act on night 3.
A shadowy figure logs into his government account. As he scrolls through the files of evidence he has for suspected poker players, he comes across a certain player and smiles.
"Yes," he hisses. "This one has been asking to have his account frozen for years."
The fed loads up his freeze account app on his iphone (they have an app for that!) and type's in the player's name. He hits the freeze button. A processing bar comes up and right as its about to finish a message pops up:
Cease and desist. This player is protected by order of the Federal Court.
Love,
Defense Attorney
"Curse you, defense attorney!" the fed yells.
13 players with manies in their accounts:
a500lbgorilla
HoopyDude
Philly and the Phanatics
Flomo
Carroters
Boog690
GatorJH
DanAronG
DropTheBanana
BennyLaRue
TLR
Willburforce
Fulksy
Frozen Accounts:
Labourhater, a normal poker player, was lawyered on Day 1
Ongbonga, a normal poker player, had account frozen on Night 1
Wufwugy, a Fed, got lawyered on Day 2
Jackvance, a normal poker player, had account frozen on Night 2
Roid_Rage, a normal poker player, was tweeted on Night 2
SDM, a normal poker player, was lawyered on Day 3
Night 3 was very quiet.
7 Players
Lee Jones
Defense Attorney
Tom Dwan
3 Feds
It's Day 4! 7 votes required for lawyering. Majority holder lynched by Tuesday at noon EST
gogogogo angel!
Wow, nice flipping, DTB. Who did you protect? I guess my soul reader is broken and will take a step back from being so vocal but next time, PLEASE put up more of a defense. Even as a reg villager, it's lame to just do nothing.
I bricked my lookup again, will share my confirmed villager list once it gets to 3.
LOL I saved myself. I won't explain my logic sense we seem to have some ballsy wolves.
I really want to take a closer look at Wilbur, Dan, and Hoopy since they caught my eye as suspicious after I was outed.
Gonna read through yesterday a bit closer and try to digest some things.
benny, is it really worth risking you dying and us not finding out who any of your lookups were? Can you at least explain the logic behind not sharing who you looked up?
Also the move to go after the angel when it was going to be a flip like that is concurrent with what Gator did last game, they thought JV was the angel and went for him when it was a 50/50 like this.
I already did. I confirm these guys and they'll be eaten quickly because it's too much of a logical advantage for the village to be able to believe that player completely, along with me and DTB. I think a list of 3 is a safe reveal pt because the wolves can't eat them all before the village has sufficient opportunities to lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
yea but surely thats outweighed by the fact you are at least 50% likely to die tonight :(, that way we have 2-3 days of their honest opinions and we can go back and look at all the things they have said and their relationships with people etc...
and we would have today for you/dtb/ and those 2 to come to some form of consensus for where the village should go
It's surely < 50%, probably far less. The wolves may not feel like flipping again.Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
I could be revealing as early as tomorrow and then with as many as 5 confirmed villagers, we're talking about half the village. That's huge and it's the advantage I'm gunning for.
yea and if you reveal today we will have 4 confirmed...whereas if you dont make it to tomorrow we will be stuck with just DTB (not that DTB isnt a good player, just 1 is obviously <<<< having four today)....but yea i've said my piece, you obviously know what you are doing and i cant complain about the job you have done so far.
Meh, you want the village to cash in the tourney and I want the village to win.
Patience, my friend.
yea my thinking on the reveals is the same as philly's, but you obvious have a plan hopefully it works out.
this save doesn't completely exonerate DTB from being a wolf IMO. i think its just as likely the real angel was still protecting benny, but obv we have to stick with the assumption DTB is the angel. just something to keep in mind.
Agree with fulksy.
My top choices atm are hoopy and flomo. I find the timing of DTB's outing and flomo's rescind (after barely posting at all) very suspicious.
Still not sold on Fulksy but he is looking more villager than wolf lately
Oh, right. This could be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by fulksy
Wait a minute, that IS the case. I looked up DropTheBanana AND HE'S A GODDAMN FED SUMBITCH.
I could have let this go on for a while but I don't want there to be too much opportunity for information. I think this pretty much clears fulksy and Philly as villagers.
Lynch DropTheBanana
Can you say two soulreads on Day 1? I knew you could.
*opportunity for MISinformation, I mean
lynch dtb good work benny...knew there was method to your madness.
also it is possible that DTB has switched up his game since i was a wolf with him but id say with about 80% confidence that hoopy/wilbur/dan are clean.
The question is, did DTB believe me? If he did, which one of Wilbur, Dan and Hoopy is a wolf? Surely one of them. It's classic wolf to drop at least one name for later disassociation. These three need to be scrutinized.
Philly, I posted that before reading yours. Why do you say that? What was his style when he was a wolf with you?
idk we basically tried hella hard to get everyone to go after one another but i dont think DTB pointed a finger at a fellow wolf once even after us stressing how important it was the whole time.
by get everyone to go after one another i mean get each of us wolves to actively go after the other wolves so that if anything happened we would have cover for later.
sigh idk its still worth looking at those 3 i guess....out of the 3 id say i have the strongest feeling that Dan is a villager. When he was a wolf last (dune game) he was a lot more quiet and reserved compared to this game, and i do not think he would have been pushing for SDM's death quite as hard if he knew SDM was a villager.
lol, probably notQuote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
I knew there was a 0% chance I don't get looked up after yesterday. I can't deny the village has a damn good seer. My list was constructed accordingly, and take that how you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
My fake outing was orchestrated on Day 2 and was executed perfectly (including getting caught early Day 3). The same way you say "you want the village to win and not cash" has been our plan since the beginning. I guarantee the village will find one more wolf before the game is over but don't take pride in that fact. Anything you have thought about, about to think about, or any course of action you can take from here on out has already been thought about and discussed in the wolves den and taken into consideration.
Thanks to all who posted after my "outing" and a special thanks to the vig for your night 2 shot! ;)
By the way, the last person to bold me is getting eaten by my fellow wolves.
Lynch BennyLaRue
that was one of the gayer things ive ever read.
Lynch DTB
Willbur's next.
Lynchthe banana man
Nice job Benny but could have held out a little longer on the reveal.
Nice work BennyQuote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
BTW I dont think it clears fulksy, his post about DTB being a wolf just makes me more suspecious of him, eventually DTB fake outing would have been discovered, and then fulsky could have tried to use this post as a defense post.
lawyer DropTheBanana
Very ballsey crazy wolves to go after Benny.
What's going on?
and this a further level....lynch fulksy then tlr :-pQuote:
Originally Posted by TLR
This post seems very Wufwugy-esque. This plus Wuf's post in the dead thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
...worries me that Wuf may still be taking part in their den. Can we get confirmation that this is not the case?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I can confirm
not that it means anythings :/
I can also confirm that a wolf has bolded me
I will also confirm that anything confirmed by a confirmed wolf should not be taken as confirmed
But seriously, Wuf hasn't been to the den