oooh man.. is this for real? That's awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
What do you do at team practices?
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oooh man.. is this for real? That's awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
What do you do at team practices?
Alexos - yeah of course. Rock paper scissors >>>> poker imo.
griff - haha 100% for real. You get a certain amount of points each week for how well you do. It lasts 16 weeks and each week there is a 32 man tournament. We get to have our own nicknames, kind of like wrestling, and the announcer hypes each match up. If we dress up as our nickname we get extra points too. Winner gets $1000 haha.
haha.. whats your nickname? Kmind?
always throw paper first
Got 2nd out of 32 tonight in rock paper scissors. Dammit. There's a small pic of me and my friends in the local magazine from last week...SHIP! But seriously, I came up with the greatest RPS theory ever and it would have won me the whole tournament had I have not fucked up by accident in my last round, losing 1-2. It was flawless throughout. Ship $75 to "suitsus" at fulltilt poker for the hidden secret. I had this hot mom rooting for me the whole time and sat at my table (she did come with friend's of my friends but come on) so that was sweet. She kept saying stuff like "I KNEW YOU'D WIN!!" and kept high fiving/hugging me. I'm going to try to get some pics on here from tonight soon.
I finally reformatted my computer and I am really excited. It's a lot faster and I finally put HEM and everything on it. I started 6 tabling for the first time in awhile and enjoyed it, running like 27/24. I haven't gotten my set (not plural) paid nor have I gotten AA in awhile. This is all the last like 1k hands or so. I have received KK like 5 times but pretty sure I am losing with it. QQ same story but got it like once. Lost flush over flush. Oh yeah one of those KK hands was vs. a donk and I got pwned on the river when I went b/b/b and the 8 hit giving him the winning hand with Q8s.
edit: The last paragraph isn't a complaint, I'm actually happy with poker right now.
Just lost 2 stacks to 45o and 92s. Same villain. Dammit.
Finished the day up a buyin in 1500 hands. Definitely lost some sklansky dollas but what's new. I think I played pretty well for the most part and made at least one bad play in big pots. One was 200bb deep vs. a regular and I have got to tell myself even though some regulars seem better than others, they are never bluffing when 3 barrelling. Looking back at my hands I received AA and KK a lot :( . No excuses.
Edit: Bleh just lost Td9d < 5s6s on a Jd7h4d board allin on the flop 100bb. I am down on my session and again even far more with sklanskies. I am coming to accept I'll never run good/normal again.
Poker is dumb.
Typical 3am trip to 711 is not dumb. Highlights include some fucked up sort of chuppy twenty year old saying random shit (not insults) to me and my friends outside of 711 and inside. I guess I should mention he had no shirt and he took off his pants and came in with just his boxers and I saw his weiner. Anyways, I overhear the manager calling the cops on him (he was there I guess for awhile before we got there) and giving them a description when he proceeds to run out of the store with a fucking recee's cup or however you spell it, I look at the cashier and ask if he needs to be caught, he nods. I drop my shit, book it, and run him down into a corner in which my roommate comes running down with another kid from the store and we keep him contained. He starts talking in a british accent on purpose and was completely fucked up on more than alcohol and definitely not weed. I try to be friendly, he starts talking shit. Cops come. They reminded me exactly of the cops in Super Bad or Super Troopers and we all just laugh at the dude and laugh how I'll have to explain to the judge that I saw his "wang". We go back to 711, they give me a free donut. We have to walk by the cops/kid again and he's in handcuffs. I say "how fun in jail man" and he tries to run after me but Snyder, a 24 year old cop, catches him and starts saying shit to him. It was pretty sweet because I just wanted a donut at 3am.
Earlier today I played in a chick-fil-a dodgeball tournament and the first round consists of 12 games and 5 teams in each division and you play all 12 games against the divisional teams and top two make it to the next round. We got fucking 3rd after being 1st or 2nd for the longest time. Dammit.
Oh yeah we knew Snyder was 24 because he busted a highlighter party my friends threw. It was the second one in like 3 weeks but for some reason I didn't have as much fun as I thought I would. The last one was where my roommate beat the shit out of people. I am on such a dry with girls and it's really affecting my head. This shit needs to stop. I'm such a pussy.
Friday I don't really remember what happened because I am so tired but it involved a bunch of plans being fucked so we all just kind of hung out at my neighbors.
My roommate went 16 days without masterbating earning himself a dozen donuts. That's impressive imo.
This is very enjoyable to read.
But study more, imo.
Haha.. awesome story dude! man.. weird stuff like that never happens to me. Maybe cause I don't loiter around 711's enough? :)
you impress the lady there with your rock/paper/scissors skills?
Thanks guys haha.
I pwned someone trying to play rock paper scissors with me last night, I suggest you DON'T play me.
Anyways, as cliche as this is getting, I am fucking run bad again. Taking wayyyyy too long for this shit to keep going on. I'm talking about runner runners going on in 200bb+ pots, not getting any action on my big hands both pre and post and everyone 5betting my 4bets. 5bets at 50nl are the nuts every time. Shit's getting old. I completely confess to playing some hands shitty. In fact, I tilted and got a FD in on the flop in a -EV spot just to try and chase my losses. Didn't catch it. What sucks more is that when people sweat me I run like God and not only do they think I already play well, I can't get interesting spots in play with their analysis. It's all just standard shit.
I think I promised some pics and here are some:
Me beating my friend in the 2nd round
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1571130067
Me losing in the finals
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1571130067
Not sure how to caption this
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1571130067
LMAO at the third pic!!!!
good stuff!
Dude..... its a pretty well known fact to NOT go paper in the finals! cooome on
sooo.. are there like books on rock/paper/scissors that you've been reading or what?
I still don't get this game...
haha all luck griff. BUT I have been using a pretty good levelling strategy. I may as well say it. We play the best of 3 games. It seems as if NO ONE wants to use all 3 decisions. So, basically the first throw is a complete crap shoot. This is where it's completely 50/50 but whatever. They usually change to something else on their second go and then one the third one they go BACK to the first decision like 60% of the time, 30% choose the one they last chose and 10% go with their 3rd option.
For example: I throw rock first, they throw paper. They are up 1. I then throw rock again because the second option is usually something different and that means I'll either tie with them throwing rock as well or them throwing scissors in which we win. On the third go I can either throw paper and play it safe as they'll usually go rock again or more frequently paper. I could use frequencies and go with scissors knowing like 60% of the time I'll win but they still have a 30% chance of throwing rock again and beating me.
Of course this is my unknown range and I can adjust to eachc opponent ;)
btw alexos - the dude on the left used to be a WWF wrestler or something and the guy on the right goes by "reptile" and wears contacts making it look like lizard eyes if that makes sense. It's so weird.
Anyways, our flag football team isn't good but we managed to make it to the divisional finals tonight vs. the chinese team that I wrote about earlier. They take a quick lead then I catch a pass and somehow they keep missing my flag so I get a touchdown but we miss the extra point. We ended up not scoring again and lost by the slaughter rule. Dammit. But I think I mentioned how there were hot girls that go and watch them play and the hottest came up to me and talked to me for like 10 seconds after the game and gave me a high five which was sweet and I'll take it! haha. I'm sure it was all innocent talk but meh.
Just got another poker check in the mail thankfully, been running low on groceries and shit for awhile now.
Blah on huge life tilt in a huge delimma(sp) but can't say it but just wanted to post it here. Sigh.
Halloween was cool. Went as Mario and friend was Luigi. Will probably post pics sometime soon. Talked with some girls (I think I am pretty good now at talking to random girls) but never got with any of them which I am doing really bad at. I need a girlfriend. People are also fighting outside of my house right now.
Not sure if daylight savings messed up HEM but I just had a session that didn't load for some reason. At least not all the hands. It said I was down $9 but in reality I was up at least $75. This sucks not only for my records but for the prop with griffey. If you haven't read the rules I'm going to be lazy and say to read his blog. Got like 1.8k hands in the past 24 hours and went down a lot then managed to squeek by for a small profit BUT HEM says otherwise :(.
Hmm, doubt 75$ will make a difference when you'll be up like 5k this month, and play ยป30k hands, imo..
I like your style
and also my hands finally got imported. Up $60 total over that span now.
nice one and good luck sorting that life tilt out, I'm sure you'll be back on top of things in no time at all :)
Appreciate it a lot, Gary.
Up 5 buyins now after 2.5k hands. Going to watch some football and hang out with some friends so not sure if I'll get any more hands in before the night's over. Will aim at at least 500 more though.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1571130067
Here's me (mario), my friend (luigi) and my roommate (bruce wayne)
I'm actually playing poker wtf. I'm also informed (hai kingnat!) that my facebook pics don't show unless you are friends with me there which I did not know sorry. If you want to be facebook friends go to the flopturnriver group on there or PM me. It's really not important haha.
Anyways. Played about 4k hands this month so far which is ridiculously good for me. Going to start a session right now. I'm down only $16 today which I am PUMPED about. I played pretty poorly. I liked this hand though:
Full Tilt Poker Game #8799823568: Table Divide (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:21:23 ET - 2008/11/03
Seat 1: iconnect ($53.45)
Seat 2: Dao ($7)
Seat 3: CheapMonday ($50)
Seat 4: southernstyln7 ($20.10)
Seat 5: girl guide 11 ($73.05)
Seat 6: SuitsUs ($70.65)
CheapMonday posts the small blind of $0.25
southernstyln7 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Ac Ah]
girl guide 11 raises to $1.75
SuitsUs raises to $6
iconnect folds
CheapMonday adds $0.25
CheapMonday folds
southernstyln7 calls $5.50
girl guide 11 calls $4.25
*** FLOP *** [2h 5h 6h]
southernstyln7 checks
girl guide 11 checks
SuitsUs bets $13.75
southernstyln7 calls $13.75
girl guide 11 calls $13.75
*** TURN *** [2h 5h 6h] [7d]
southernstyln7 checks
girl guide 11 checks
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs bets $20
southernstyln7 calls $0.35, and is all in
girl guide 11 calls $20
*** RIVER *** [2h 5h 6h 7d] [5c]
girl guide 11 checks
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs bets $30.90, and is all in
girl guide 11 calls $30.90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SuitsUs shows [Ac Ah] two pair, Aces and Fives
girl guide 11 mucks
SuitsUs wins the side pot ($101.10) with two pair, Aces and Fives
southernstyln7 mucks
SuitsUs wins the main pot ($57.55) with two pair, Aces and Fives
southernstyln7 is sitting out
girl guide 11 adds $47.60
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $161.65 Main pot $60.55. Side pot $101.10. | Rake $3
Board: [2h 5h 6h 7d 5c]
Seat 1: iconnect didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Dao (button) is sitting out
Seat 3: CheapMonday (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: southernstyln7 (big blind) mucked [8s Kh] - a pair of Fives
Seat 5: girl guide 11 mucked [Tc Th] - two pair, Tens and Fives
Seat 6: SuitsUs showed [Ac Ah] and won ($158.65) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Wow - I think I just hit a small "aha" moment about bet sizing (on our bets as well as villains). Kind of about manipulating the sizes and what not. I also had a moment of a concept I have known about for awhile, two-way betting. Sure I have known about it for awhile and have applied it in some situations but I think I figured out even more spots. I am really tired but yeah somehow I figured out that stuff tonight. In a way I think they can correlate with each other but of course be in their own spots.
aha moments are good! you getting in more hands this month?Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
bet is looking good for you right now, and everyone else in the world I made a bet with. 3k under EV in two days of playing.. shippp.. hopefully the trend breaks!
yeah finally getting in the hands needed. Why the hell aren't you running better yet?? I'm really hoping we tie on this bet.
That said I played only like 200 hands today but won just over 2 buyins. Kind of busy day, had to travel a little ways to vote. Again, I think I am playing really solidly. I feel very comfortable. I'm probably not going to play for the rest of the night though.
From what I hear, it sounds like your voting is pretty messed down there. Like you guys gotta wait for hours in line to vote and crap!? No wonder so few ppl vote. I think I waited like 9 seconds this year to get in to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
I'll try to run better, tying would be ideal. Preferably tying by both of us reaching our goals and not tying by both of us not reaching our goals :P
haha yeah man first time I voted it took like 2 hours. A lot of people complained today as well but I got in there at a good time (11 am) so I guess everyone was still working and I was first in line basically.
And woops! Def. meant both of us reaching the goal! ;)
I'm away for about a week. After that though I expect you see you online a lot more than recently! I need someone to talk poker and motivate me!!
I'm interested in your bet sizing realisations, I thought you had a pretty good handle on most of that stuff already.
FINALLY. Wtf man, been waiting for updates in your blog. Getting on AIM/MSN is still meh for me but I want to be better at it. Sucks because most of my time online is for school/grinding. The bet sizing stuff isn't THAT great and kind of deals in small pots for the most part (also on turns in biggish pots and less frequently rivers...which should be std anyways, just blocking bets or overbets) so don't be eagerly waiting haha. But I also just think I have a much greater feel on spots to bet/fold, c/c or c/f whether it be on the flop, turn or river.
Also, remember, very rarely bluff with pocket pairs. Especially small ones. Insta-up your winrate by folding them postflop more. That has nothing to do with anything but a "friendly" reminder to myself.
Not much to update :(.
I keep thinking "I should play some poker" then finding myself doing something else. After this trip (few days away for work then right into a few days visiting friends/family) I hope to be back into it a lot more. I do think one thing is I've gone from chatting poker almost daily to not chatting poker at all.
Good tip about PPs. I keep reminding myself of that, but I keep forgetting too. Folding in general is +EV (even though mathematically its 0EV ;)).
haha nice little inside joke. Start playing again! Prop bet for hands played during a certain amount of time or something if you keep avoiding it.
Hmm, tempting. On one hand I know I'll struggle to get hands in this month, gonna be hectic and I lose the first week already, on the other maybe its the motivation I need to make sure I do get a bunch of hands in.
Griff - I am using my parents' computer so I want to jot down all my hands played here. I will HONESTLY not cheat AT ALL. Please trust me :). So far 377 hands and down $74.90. KK < AK 130bb deep preflop and then FD with what I assumed to be overs/maybe even best hand on flop lost to a set 100bb deep on flop. I also got coolered vs. a very bad player in like a 60bb pot and then lost some money facing small bets that I had to call on the river. So yeah, I actually feel pretty good with my overall play still. Ran slightly higher than normal with 28/24 stats but that's mostly because of variance. I'm usually 25/21 or so.
Alright here are my totals from parents' house:
706 hands / -$15.5
I feel pretty good since I am running $79 under expectation in those 706 hands. I never got a complete stack during this time which is actually a good thing because I think it shows that I played pretty solidly grinding my losses back to almost neutral. I do admit to playing one hand pretty poorly and losing a lot of value; but during the hand I realized that what I had was the essentially the nuts and villain would call with much worse, yet I played semi-passively. No need to post the HH, just believe what I say ;).
I'm folding a lot more. I know it's the big thing nowadays but seriously do it.
I'm getting 3bet and 5bet shoved wayyyy too often right now. I think I might dedicate this whole day trying to get a better grasp in this area. Just played a session of only 500 hands and down 3 buyins. Lost KK < AA < 99 all-in on flop. AA guy squeezed (he had 3bet 33% of the time over 100+ hands and obv he has it), I elect to just call, other dude calls and flop comes 469r gg. Also lost 5bet shoving JJ into AA vs. a 3bet% of ~16% button vs. sb. Other than that, probably played really poorly. No sets or AA/KK/QQ in any big pots (other than the one I lost) so that's something to be semi-happy about.
I gotta study/run an errand/go to a meeting and the rest should be pretty much devoted to pokah.
Down 5 buyins after 600 hands. AK < AJs allin pre 100bb deep. Meh. Tilting A LOT right now.
Are you assuming people are 4-bet bluffing too much?
Not assuming because I have been shown the bluff :(
Btw, are you down 5 buyins or 8?
Ahh, so they're 5-bet bluff shoving? And you're 4-bet bluffing then folding?
I'm surprised, I wouldnt expect to see a lot of this at 50nl (I certainly dont). Are you 4-betting too much?
just 5 buyins total. Yeah they are 5bet bluff shoving but also 4betting me very frequently. It could just be variance but I did actually witness the guy's T8o. And yeah I probably am 4betting a tad too much.
I complain way too much. Like not even in this thread or to people on AIM/MSN. I seriously get sucked out on and flip shit and start hitting things. I need this to stop. I think the reason is that I never (at least in my mind) get to suck out nearly as much as people suck out on me so I feel my money is just being fucked over at times. AQ = AQ < 84o 40bb deep (ha so small wtf) but still and then of course a pot in which I lost a stack vs. a HORRIBLE player when he hit his 3 outter on the river (money was going in anyways). And I knew it once I shoved the rest in but wtf. My friends seem to never complain. Especially Alexos (SHOUT OUT). Seriously, in MY mind and how I view his reactions, he seems to take beats very very well. I want to work on the emotional part of the game. Not sure really where to start as I don't want to pay a chunk of change for a coach.
Anyways, I've played 7443 hands so far this month and am up $237.15. Ouch right? I still feel like I am playing really really well which is a little discouraging. That said, I think if a few things happened my way I'd be to at least $400 which gives me slight hope but you can't really think of the "what ifs".
Yah I agree, Alex definitely does handle it well. Maybe winning $50k a month helps ease the pain?? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
orrr maybe we're NOT winning $50k a month because we CAN'T ease the pain ourselves.. hmmm.. innnteresting.
Either way, yah tilttt sucks and emotional control is keeey.
I don't know about you,but I play with my HEM running and I refresh to see an updated tally of winnings/losses. I'm starting to think that maybe this constant reminder... just isn't good emotionally while playing. hmmm
Aren't we supposed to suck out less? Sucking out implies that you were substantially behind in the hand while getting your money in, which is exactly what we are supposed to avoid doing! In my retrospective look at my HHs, I tend to see suckouts as examples of me playing poorly and getting rewarded for it. This is not good. If we only associate suckouts with bad play, for them and for us, then we'll want to avoid them when we commit them. Yes it can be gratifying, but I don't like to revel in the true misfortune of others. When you play bad and still win, you attract criticism from others...so why not from yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
You have been running really poorly, but are still showing a profit for this month. I know nothing about you and your playing, but if things have really been as bad as I've read, then you are a very good poker player. Perhaps this is a month that you'll be minimizing losses more often than maximizing wins, but either way you seem to be doing it well enough to show a profit. Take comfort in the fact that a lesser player would have lost much more money than you. Be confident in your ability to perform! You aren't perfect, and poker is a game of so many estimations and assumed expectations that to be able to consistently profit and understand why you do not (beyond the bad beats) is an astounding achievement.
Fry phish and win monies, sir. Play on.
Good posts both of you. Very much appreciate them!
Griff - seems like another prop bet about not looking at wins/losses until a specified time ;)
ill - yeah very good points. You are right in the fact that I shouldn't complain about me not sucking out but I think I completely worded what I meant to say wrong and meant that I guess I feel like I don't run near neutral EV. But very good point on that and I seem to forget that a lot. Your second paragraph realllly helps me out. I like that a lot and will put that in the front of my head as opposed to the back next time I feel I am running bad.
Now I am inspired to play a session. GL me!
Just sucked out twice in 200bb pots...
ha! suck it tilt!
THIS IS HOW VCU DOES IT SONQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
We should suckout less, but our EV should be neutral over long term.
Nice on the suckouts, keep working on the tilt thing. I'm sure you read it in Griffeys log, but he paraphrased something Alexos put to him, which was the concept of Tilt coming with a bill, and how would we react if we played all month and at the end of it got presented with our Tilt bill all in one shot. We'd pretty fricken quickly focus on ways to cut it down, but because it happens as we go theres a tendency to a) ignore it, and b) underestimate the full affect it has on our monthly earn. I'm still not perfect, but focusing on how tilty play affects my overall earnings has helped me with it. "Its just not worth it" is a the sort of phrase that now goes through my mind when I take a beat and feel like I'm about to flip the tilt switch.
Good post, Ben. Speaking of that, the psychological side of poker has really been a main focus of mine recently. I get really jealous hearing others just not fucking care about how unlucky they get or anything, they just keep playing the most EV way they know how. I've also been reading some stuff (in my school book ld0) about certain emotions that kind of hit home with me and made me really think about stuff. For example, I thought about "anxiety" and how this is kind of what makes me not play at levels higher than I am. This was before I started withdrawing too. I just feel like there are spots in which I get really anxious about and surprise me and then I fuck shit up. My immediate thought was to play poker in a much more passive way, allowing me to only put in large sums of money when I heavily expected to be good. Then I realized how stupid that is and laughed. However, I DO think I put myself in bad spots too often and there are times that folding on an earlier street would not only leave me balanced on my feet, but most likely would be more EV in the long run. Some high stakes players kind of gave me this concept unintentionally.
Another concept I think is pretty powerful is, well, "power". I think I wrote something about in real life how power is so fucking ridiculous and I hate most people who abuse it, which is quite often. I'm obviously a hypocrit as I fully admit to committing the same crime at times, but I think I am getting better. That said, and this won't be long, power should be a huge part of your game at a poker table. Sure it's obvious and instinctive to most, but I mean looking at the core definition it's if A can get B to do something B would not normally do, A has power over B. That is a pretty spectacular thing to have on your side in poker.
I am also starting to learn more about the mathematic side of poker. Like psychology, I seem to lack a lot of important knowledge in this regard. I won't go haywire with it, but I think it will help me with different odds in general, knowing how much fold% needed in certain spots, and overall how to play more non-exploitively. Specifically, I am trying to learn more about 3/4/5betting preflop and what kind of ranges, odds, etc. will affect my frequencies because, at the time, I am losing large amounts in this area.
I played a tad bit yesterday and finished down like $50 which is OK because I was +EV. Today, I am up just over 2 buyins in about 300 hands.
The good: I lost a stack KK < 72o on a Q972r board and I just shook it off and laughed.
The bad: He was playing like 75/0/.8 over a small sample and he just c/c flop and then c/r turn. I felt kind of dumbfounded that the 2 helped so I just shipped. Maybe all options are decent there?
The good: I started pushing and raising more in spots that seemed to have a lot of FE and the results have been pretty good.
The good: I started sizing my bets in ways that would allow worse hands to play. Once it included me inducing two overs to c/r on turn and I called. He bet small on the river and hit, but I think I played it well.
The bad: I think I left a lot of EV at one of the tables because some dude was playing 80/40/8 with and we were both 200bb deep. A semi-good part was that he was to my immediate left which sucks but I think if I could just hit one hand I'd get his stack no problem. I mean he was literally betting 50bb into a 2bb pot at times. But the reason I left is that now that I withdraw, I kind of became scared money wanting to play more pots with him but knowing I may get it in with a much weaker range than usual.
Onto the real life stuff. I have 3 tests this week. 2 are gone but the toughest is Thursday and I am pretty scared. I should have all day today and tomorrow to study for it. The good news is that my church basketball season starts Thursday as well so I will have something to look forward to. My church basketball league is sweet because it's REALLY competitive and people will play dirty and stuff and we're all pretty equal. My team usually finishes like 2nd out of 6 teams. Also, one team has a bunch of obnoxious fans (which is really fun to play because I love beating them), one team brings their hot wives and another brings the high school youth girls who are all really hot (I am going to hell). I also had court yesterday for witnessing the shit at 711 I wrote a few posts back but got lost on my way there and came in as they were all leaving so gg me. I got the results though and the court date just got rescheduled until January so I may have to go then.
Haha.. I actually said this TO Alex, and then I'm pretty sure he replied with some comment about how I say nonsense or something :) So then I posted my nonsense in my blog!Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Either way, yah its true. I think I watched some CR vid lately, or maybe it was krantz, saying how ppl's winrates would probably double, triple or more if they could fix their tilt. I'd say thats definitely true.
GL with tests and B'Ball. I've only got 3 games left this season and I just noticed we dropped to last (we'd beaten the other team without a win, but they've managed 2 wins since). Ahh well, next season we'll drop down a division.
Interesting idea on Power, I'd never really thought of it that way.
:)
Shows how poor my short term memory is ;). Its a great concept though.
back to even on the day. will not play anymore.
I think I played one had horribly and tried to make a hero call, QQ < AA 100bb deep allin pre vs. regular who 4bets a lot (obv. hit a Q on flop but still gg) and then got, well, I'll just say I put my money in very well. I think the last 2 were played well and standard so I can't complain about that. I just need to stop thinking ahead of what I'll buy in the near future to only be let down by continuing to play.
You're probably in the toughest spot for that from most of us in that your roll isnt that big, AND you're literally using it for groceries. A buyin, even at 50nl does have a realworld impact. My only advice is to keep withdrawals to an absolute minimum, and tough it out till you hit a good upswing and build the roll up to where thats no longer the case. Until then, just try to block it out while at the tables I guess.
Yeah I was thinking about all this today. Good points and I tried to come up with an absolute minimum amount each month to withdrawl. I think it came to around $450. That's a complete estimate though and I am hoping after a few months I'll be able to have a good general idea on how much I can withdrawl as well as how many hands I should be playing each month.
Thinking about 3betting ranges (the bluff part), is it bad to think that we should 3bet bluff more OOP with Axs type stuff and more SC IP because with Axs (maybe off too) we establish more folds preflop as opposed to SC in which we can play our hand pretty easily postflop?
In position I think there's a lot of value flatting sc's and suited aces so I prefer 3bet bluffing with stuff that isn't good enough to flat... like Axo, T9o, KTo, crap like that.
I think I played poker for one of the only times of my life. I actually went pretty indepth in hand reading, something I am trying to work on. I used kind of manipulative lines that I will most likely post either here or in the short handed forums to see if others agree. Some bad hands include getting KK < set on flop allin on flop. I "slowplayed" preflop but I seem to be getting mixed results by doing that. I also lost a huge pot allin on flop and the dude runner runners me so no harm there.
I won't say if I won this next hand but I thought it was very interesting. I am going to post it in the short handed forums but basically I had AKo vs. a tilter and he open shoves 28bb preflop, I elect to flat on the button and the BB semi nit pushes for 140bb. My initial thoughts is I have blockers and most people with KK and AA would slow down more but meh that's an assumption. But I'll let you know the results later on.
I think I played pretty well in 3bet and 4bet pots. I 4bet some dude 3betting over 20% with KQo and he insta-5bet shoved which I thought was interesting. Oh yeah, I lost when I cbet vs. a loose guy with QQ on a T high board, turned a set putting 2 hearts up and then river was another heart and I shoved for pot. He called. Bleh. There's another couple of hands of me trying new lines that I will post to see how awful the are. I think I already said that though.
Anyways, I have my first bball game tonight and I am pumped. Just finished the school week basically. Class at 4 but it's kind of like an extra session for the class so may not attend since I went to bed at 12:30 last night and fell asleep at 4. I just couldn't sleep. Woke up at 6:30 obv.
Special shoutout to anyone who has helped me in anyway. That stuff really doesn't go unnoticed and I appreciate you all very much. Because of my support, I think right now I am more determined than I have ever been or been in awhile in getting really better and understanding this game more. I'm down over a buyin today and couldn't be happier.
Edit: just realized I am down 2.5 buyins at 50nl which includes winning at 100NL in a short session so maybe not as happy I was haha.
Yessss... getting better is good!Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
oh and that AK hand, I wouldn't really get tricky with it, and just ship it. Yes sometimes a hand like AQ/AJ might shove over you to get the dead money. BUT I think flatting will more often either encourage lower/midpairs to call pre or jam over you, and those are the hands that you'd like to have fold when you have AK.
As played, how "nit" is semi-nit? If a semi-nit is shipping 140bb's... I'm not even sure I like my AK too much anymore.
I hate AK but the hand in question is in my SH thread. Good advice about just shipping it myself.
Wronggg, tourney donks!Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
Its something Ian and I argued about a few times. I just dont feel like we need to slowplay PF at 50nl. I'm all for shipping AA and KK preflop. AK I'll try to ship if I'm OOP, but IP I use my judgement.
As for the AK hand in question. Tough spot. I had a similar one last night where I isolated a shortstack laggy fish for 22bbs with AKs and the nit SB shipped it in. I nearly folded that but chose to call and flipped well v's QQ. Its kinda borderline though. Your image probably comes into the decision.
I used to hate AK. Now it's one of my favorite hands. So many options.... It's in pretty much every one of my ranges.
don't do this to me! I always have AK being no goot in the back of my head because of you specifically so now I have change my thought :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
haha! wow, i just had this exact same thought out loud today when I was talking to my buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
reminder to posts stats
warning: down 4 buyins today and now losing on the month
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2945/50novposhv5.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2...ugleaksxo7.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1...ovgraphvm7.jpg
Not a big sample but still just in case
i puked
new graph plxz
Quote:
Originally Posted by flomo
Tighten up UTG.
Tighten up OTB.
I dont know if its just sample size, but think about your 3-bet range OTB.
Probably tighten up in the blinds more.
This is largely guesswork, but I think you're stealing OTB so wide that regs are 3-betting you wide, which is getting you into crappy 4-bet/5-bet bluff spots. A valid adjustment to being 3-bet a bunch is to tighten your button range somewhat. I dont know how much of that is resulting in your red line of doom. Something I've noticed on mine is when the redline heads down, I'm often making speculative calls too much (SCs, Suited Aces, crap like that, to both normal raises and 3-bets).
Spend some time messing around with your HEM report filters and see what pops out at you.
GTFO NITQuote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Nit works ;).
Seriously though, he's winning more from the CO than OTB, and his trouble area atm is handling people who 3-bet him too much. Taking those two things into account, perhaps running 38% vpip OTB isnt the best plan.
so like your solution if someone was burning their hand on the stove would be to tell them to stop cooking instead of to use an oven mitt?
I like thisssssQuote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
he's pretty tight UTG already, though tightening up OOP can never hurt too much.
I wouldn't tighten-up on the button though, so do as spenda says and use an oven mitt, and start playing some postflop!
zomg the BTN is your gold mine, NEVER TIGHTEN UP THERE if u likes ze gold!!!!
Butttt, maybe try not 3betting as much on BTN see if it works for you? Just an idea, not sure if it will fit in your game...
Also I'm playing the exact same VPIP and PFR with won at showdown of 51 like you... but I go to showdown a hell of a lot more, how come urs is 21.. tbh im not even sure how i could even get it this low (loves to make sick calls on the river)
speaking of which : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHABA...200809&paged=3
BTN stats are fine but CO are too high by quite a bit imo. 3bet numbers are ok, you might be 3betting a little too much from the BTN though and I think SB 3bet% should usually be higher than BB. You usually close the action in the BB so squeezing isn't as attractive and you don't mind flatting some hands like pp's that you would 3bet in the SB. Small sample size could easily be skewing this though. I'm a little worried that you're not winning with those tight showdown numbers, but again, sample size isn't big enough to draw any conclusions I don't think.
Wow yah I didn't notice that your WTSD was so low at 21%. What may be happening is that you might be betting your marginal hands in position, and getting called. THen you check through the turn, and perhaps are folding rivers?
How often do you check your marginal/second pair hands through on the flop, and then call their turn leads, and sometimes peel off their river nonsense too?
LOL this is worthy of a sigQuote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Wat? How is break even with a 6 buy-in swing not totally standard over 10k hands?Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
Well its a strange analogy Spenda, but lets just say that along the lines of that analogy I suggested using the oven less (not to stop cooking), whereas other than Alexos everyone else just said continue cooking as you have been regardless of your burns. Noone (until Alexos on 3-betting) has made any mention of the equivalent of an oven-mitt to actually suggest how he stop getting burnt so much while cooking the same way.
I do this a toooon. Should I just start betting them instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
I talked to another friend that said I might be cbetting a tad too much?
zook - shouldn't BU and CO numbers be quite similar?
ben/spenda - first of all, ben, yeah I definitely call with Axs and SC maybe too much to small 3bets because of the price. But not sure if folding that would help? About the button stuff, IP is sweet but I guess maybe I just need to learn how to play it better?
rest - why is 3betting on the button a lot bad? I was thinking this was the best position to do so but maybe doing it in the the other positions besides the blinds is better and calling more on the button is good? I mean, I obv. look down at KT0 in the sb a lot and want to 3bet the shit out of that vs. stealers but should my OOP 3bet% be near or higher than my IP %? I think to get my red line down more I should double/triple barrel more, c/f flops more and also c/r flops more. Seem good at all? I think the hardest thing I have is finding the good times to raise people's cbets. They seem to always have it.
How the hell do I get my WTSD better and what is a std number? Any good suggestions on simple ways to improve this stat, maybe with examples?
I definitely appreciate all the responses guys!
I'll admit I purely looked at your profit per position. As we all agree the button should be your biggest winning position, so the fact its not means you're probably doing something wrong. The two things that stood out to me was how much looser you were there than the CO, and how much more you 3-bet there than anywhere else. If you're doing those things and not being as profitable as you should, they're good targets to modify your game.
Well I thought your WTSD might be low cause you were betting marginal hands on flop, check turn and then FOLDING to river leads.
As opposed to take the same range of hands, checking flop with second pair, calling their turn leads and sometimes checking through river. Pot control is definitely something that increases your WTSD a lot... not saying this is good or not, just saying a change that would make this higher!
Played just like 3 sessions consisting of like 500 hands each. 1st two I won two buyins each about. I luckboxed in one big hand though. I seem to not know what to do with JJ or TT to a 3bet vs. an unknown because only some of the regs are doing it lightly. My last session I ended down a buyin but I am confused. I would have sworn I was up but alas I wasn't after reviewing via HEM. I am tired now but will post hands tomorrow. I need to play about 6k hands this week.
I am really focusing on putting opponents on better ranges than I ever have. I mean I never really focused on card combos which is dumb. I'm playing a tad nittier preflop as well to see how that works and cbetting somewhat less to get to showdown more. I'm pretty happy with results. What's interesting is I can't recall getting it in preflop AA vs. KK at all this month besides me being on the KK end once. I guess I never really have gotten it in preflop at all 100bb deep with the best hand. EDIT: Upon further review, HEM filters show me getting it in 3 times preflop vs. 100bb stacks+ and winning. 1 was AA vs. KK, 1 was AA Vs. TT and finally QQ vs. ATs (which was the only one above 100bb deep). These were all the first 3 days of playing this month so maybe that's why I have the bad memory and also why I jumped to an early good start.
I just withdrew another $200. I'm coming to terms with this because I am still very determined to crush this game and I think, and hope, by the end of the month I'll have a much better grasp of this damn level as opposed to Nov. 1.
NC State was 2-0 this weekend (bball and football) and VCU crushed so all is good there. Also got an A on a stats test. gg math.
Been playing tighter the past couple of days. Like 20/17. Seems to be doing well and I am now up I think 6 buyins for the month which is good considering how I felt a few days ago.
4am here, thinking about just staying up all night. Have class at 8. Kind of like the thread in the commune. Thing is though, if I fall asleep I won't wake up but if I stay awake, I won't be awake during class...Anyways, I have kind of given up on trying at school at least for this semester. I haven't been to a certain class in over 4 weeks and another today was my second time in about 4 weeks as well (with the other time being test day). And then going to like every other one with my other classes. I kind of scope out my classes in the beginning of the semester and decide which ones will be safe to miss and then miss way too many of them. Kind of a shame. I keep getting haunting dreams of failing my classes though which have helped me somewhat keep up with it. Maybe I should start a prop bet like the one I won with DogIsHead about missing school = $$ to a random person.
Speaking of DogIsHead, I ran out of all my subscriptions (DC and Leggo). Since I am low on funds, I decided to use some FTP points on StoxPoker just to try to check out a site (for basically free) and also have at least some content from videos available. Luck has it that Leggo was ashamed of their performance last July or something so they also gave me a free month. So now I have a month of Leggo and Stox. Stox I can always get for free via FTP but I really want to test out CardRunners. I might save up money for a 6 month there but would really like to save up FTP points but I spent a majority on the Stox deal and headphones.
Anyways, Leggo videos have been really good for my game lately. I started watching some 100NL videos by Isuru and they are good. I think I forgot how much videos can impact my game. I also clearly forgot how to table select and by table selecting recently I have gotten a muuuuuch better winrate. I'm an idiot.
Today's session was great. I think I played one hand really well and then another not so well. I could have saved my money by not betting the turn into some donks royal when I had two pair. He was awful though.
I'm really tired which is why this post makes zero sense.
u shud of downloaded tons of DC stuff since theres no DRM.
yeah got lazy + reformatted computer = no excuse still because I have an external HD FUCK. Thinking about signing up again and using their 7 day free trial and d/l everything I want but seems kind of shady.
Table selection is something I've been poor with lately. I'll table select initially, but then just stay at tables even if they turn bad.
Yeah that's how I was doing it. Quickly search the high VPIP tables and sit no matter what, regardless of positions. Now I changed that. Now I am winning again.
Hmm, maybe theres something in that for me?
I made some really big mistakes last night costing me almost 2 buyins. They literally kept me up last night. Pretty healthy, eh?
Anyways, after reading a few blogs from friends of friends, I was wondering if anyone here has a decent red line (won money without showdown)? I know it doesn't mean anything if we are making more with the worst red line possible but I am just curious because I predict my line to be a lot lower than optimum.
brag: my red line is craaaaaazy up this month... along with my AFQuote:
Originally Posted by kmind
beat: my blue line sucks ass :)
As would be expected!
Siccccck. I'd say we should combine our play but you and Alex are already going to do that
This guy had the best of me:
Full Tilt Poker Game #9101332727: Table Deerbrook (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:41:37 ET - 2008/11/21
Seat 1: SST1 ($41.40)
Seat 2: YoungIn24 ($104.40)
Seat 3: Dan The Man ($49.50)
Seat 4: SuitsUs ($50)
Seat 5: amroth64 ($51.15)
Seat 6: Casparxx ($53.90)
Dan The Man posts the small blind of $0.25
SuitsUs posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Kd Ac]
amroth64 folds
Casparxx folds
SST1 calls $0.50
YoungIn24 calls $0.50
Casparxx: no how does it work?
Dan The Man folds
SuitsUs raises to $2.50
YoungIn24: nm
SST1 calls $2
YoungIn24: just got it hooked up
YoungIn24 has 15 seconds left to act
YoungIn24 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [6d Ks 9c]
SuitsUs bets $6
Casparxx: need rakeback
SST1 calls $6
YoungIn24 calls $6
*** TURN *** [6d Ks 9c] [Jc]
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs bets $18.50
SST1 raises to $32.90, and is all in
YoungIn24 has 15 seconds left to act
YoungIn24 folds
SuitsUs calls $14.40
SST1 shows [Js Jd]
SuitsUs shows [Kd Ac]
*** RIVER *** [6d Ks 9c Jc] [Qc]
SST1 shows three of a kind, Jacks
SuitsUs shows a pair of Kings
SST1 wins the pot ($88.55) with three of a kind, Jacks
SuitsUs adds $41.40
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $91.55 | Rake $3
Board: [6d Ks 9c Jc Qc]
Seat 1: SST1 showed [Js Jd] and won ($88.55) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 2: YoungIn24 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: Dan The Man (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: SuitsUs (big blind) showed [Kd Ac] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: amroth64 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Casparxx didn't bet (folded)
Full Tilt Poker Game #9101295633: Table Deerbrook (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:39:04 ET - 2008/11/21
Seat 1: SST1 ($23.75)
Seat 2: YoungIn24 ($104.15)
Seat 4: SuitsUs ($50)
Seat 5: amroth64 ($51.15)
Seat 6: Casparxx ($50.25)
Casparxx posts the small blind of $0.25
SST1 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [7d 8c]
YoungIn24 folds
SuitsUs raises to $1.50
amroth64 folds
Casparxx folds
SST1 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7c 8s]
Dan The Man sits down
SST1 checks
Dan The Man adds $50
SuitsUs bets $3
SST1 calls $3
*** TURN *** [Kc 7c 8s] [Qh]
SST1 checks
SuitsUs bets $6.50
SST1 calls $6.50
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7c 8s Qh] [Ah]
SST1 checks
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs bets $15.25
SST1 calls $12.75, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $2.50 returned to SuitsUs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SuitsUs shows [7d 8c] two pair, Eights and Sevens
SST1 shows [Jd Td] a straight, Ace high
SST1 wins the pot ($45.40) with a straight, Ace high
SuitsUs adds $23.75
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47.75 | Rake $2.35
Board: [Kc 7c 8s Qh Ah]
Seat 1: SST1 (big blind) showed [Jd Td] and won ($45.40) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 2: YoungIn24 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SuitsUs showed [7d 8c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 5: amroth64 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Casparxx (small blind) folded before the Flop
Full Tilt Poker Game #9100908186: Table Deerbrook (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:13:26 ET - 2008/11/21
Seat 1: SST1 ($32.90)
Seat 2: YoungIn24 ($111.85)
Seat 3: enolagay4 ($14.75)
Seat 4: SuitsUs ($50)
Seat 5: AHHHYYOOOUU ($80.60)
Seat 6: Casparxx ($50)
SuitsUs posts the small blind of $0.25
AHHHYYOOOUU posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [As Qd]
Casparxx folds
SST1 calls $0.50
YoungIn24 has 15 seconds left to act
YoungIn24 is sitting out
YoungIn24 has timed out
YoungIn24 folds
enolagay4 folds
SuitsUs raises to $2.25
AHHHYYOOOUU folds
SST1 calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [8s Ac 2h]
SuitsUs checks
SST1 bets $1.50
SuitsUs calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [8s Ac 2h] [8d]
SuitsUs bets $5.50
AHHHYYOOOUU stands up
SST1 has 15 seconds left to act
SST1 raises to $29.15, and is all in
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
YoungIn24 has returned
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs calls $23.65
SST1 shows [Ah 9c]
SuitsUs shows [As Qd]
*** RIVER *** [8s Ac 2h 8d] [Ad]
SST1 shows a full house, Aces full of Eights
SuitsUs shows a full house, Aces full of Eights
SuitsUs ties for the pot ($31.65) with a full house, Aces full of Eights
SST1 ties for the pot ($31.65) with a full house, Aces full of Eights
SuitsUs adds $1.25
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $66.30 | Rake $3
Board: [8s Ac 2h 8d Ad]
Seat 1: SST1 showed [Ah 9c] and won ($31.65) with a full house, Aces full of Eights
Seat 2: YoungIn24 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: enolagay4 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: SuitsUs (small blind) showed [As Qd] and won ($31.65) with a full house, Aces full of Eights
Seat 5: AHHHYYOOOUU (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Casparxx didn't bet (folded)
down over 3 buyins in my last 1k hands or so. Pretty dumb if you ask me.
Not sure if this is really bad:
Full Tilt Poker Game #9101097424: Table Greycrest (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:25:38 ET - 2008/11/21
Seat 1: abrkeith ($31.05)
Seat 2: WaceyRabbit ($67.75)
Seat 3: SuitsUs ($65.85)
Seat 5: GiebYourStack ($50)
Seat 6: luckychief ($49.30)
SuitsUs posts the small blind of $0.25
GiebYourStack posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [8d Kh]
luckychief folds
abrkeith folds
WaceyRabbit folds
SuitsUs raises to $1.50
GiebYourStack calls $1
*** FLOP *** [3s Ts Ks]
SuitsUs bets $2
GiebYourStack has 15 seconds left to act
GiebYourStack has requested TIME
GiebYourStack raises to $6.50
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs calls $4.50
*** TURN *** [3s Ts Ks] [7d]
SuitsUs checks
GiebYourStack has 15 seconds left to act
GiebYourStack has requested TIME
GiebYourStack bets $11
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs calls $11
*** RIVER *** [3s Ts Ks 7d] [2h]
SuitsUs checks
GiebYourStack has 15 seconds left to act
GiebYourStack has requested TIME
GiebYourStack bets $16
SuitsUs calls $16
His aggro was 2.0 on flop and seemed to be a 50nl regularish type guy. Like 21/21 stats over the few hands I had.
I'm hoping to get coaching soon again from a new person but that won't happen anytime soon if I keep going backwards. Shits old, what's new.
Just fold that K8 hand, for reallll. You're OOP, with a marginal hand, that probably has at BEST 50/50 equity (given his most likely draw to be raising is the As) and thats if you're not already drawing dead!
yeah agreed. I was just in that tiltish-wtf-everyone-can't-have-everything-every-time mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
haha well in that case I applaud your hand, cause I shippp this flop when I'm in that mode :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
Ok, I managed to get like 2 buyins back yesterday or late Friday night I forgot.
Today, I got disconnected in a big pot where I would have won a pot totalling at LEAST a buyin (had a set vs. HUGE donk and it got to the river in which he was calling huge bets on flop/turn) and then river I have to restart my comp. I get back to the table to see that he has won the pot because of my misfortune. Then, I made a huge mistake on a flop vs. a maniac. This cost me at LEAST 1/3 of a buyin because I had a chance to draw to the nuts but had to fold. If I hit, pretty sure I get his stack. So that's like at least $70 lost right there. THAT said, I am up 3 buyins today. Feels pretty good. That's like 5 buyins in the past 800 or so hands which is a small sample, but I'm ok with it. I'm knocking on wood because I am reverting back to a few key concepts one of my coaches told me awhile ago. I remember playing the way he told me too which gained nice profits but for some reason I decided to ignore his thoughts and try something else for awhile. So here's to using his advice for the next 5k hands (I have a little less than that to get to 20k hands this month). I am really hoping I'm not just running good.
disconnects suck...
ja!Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
interested in sharing those few key concepts ? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
It's ridiculously stupid and VERY basic that you'll think I am lying but:
- we are usually ahead of wide ranges so betting into them should amount to a lot of folds
- conversly, when they have a tight range we are usually behind and we want to see as many cards as possible
These are straight from PMs with my coach.
Obviously, you adjust to these concepts when you have bluffs/nuts and play accordingly. There are a few other concepts but this was the gist of it and I guess it'd make more sense if you watched this person use this stuff in game which really helps. It's basically ISF stuff to its core(who is the coach I am talking about anyways) as in his theorem, other theory posts, etc.
Nah man, this is what you've been waiting for. The whole flip side of running bad is it comes back eventually. Play it well and crush!