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6 weeks tomorrow. ship it.Quote:
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6 weeks tomorrow. ship it.Quote:
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4 weeks today.Quote:
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I feel that first cigarette aaaaaannnyyyy time now.Quote:
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douchebag itt
I found one!Quote:
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ciggs are evil little things that take over your life!111111!!!!!!!
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maybe the best fyp ever?
^ Happily married?
haha, yes ;)
^Why'd you hesitate? Ruh roh...
Why don't you paint "NASCAR SUCKS" "I LOVE MAN-LOVE" "VOTE FOR HILARY CLINTON" on your cars and drive through Alabama.
http://jinxiboo.squarespace.com/blog...-deep-sou.html
^^ Top Gear road trips/races are fucking awesome.. you guys ought to check out the Bolivia, Japan and North Pole road trips, esp. in 720p.. they're just amazing
I think vietnam on the motorcycles was by far the best..
I am such a geek
http://www.syfy.com/caprica/
http://www.earthlings.com/
Viewer discretion is advised.
^^^ I can't say I'm glad I watched that but I forced myself to.
damn
random: I hate when I poop and the water splashes back up at me
wtf
They skinned a dog (??) alive; it was still blinking and skin-less. Why the hell wouldn't you just put it out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
That was, without a doubt, the most disturbing part.Quote:
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wtf are you guys watching... srsly, that shit sounds gross.
Food Inc. 2: Animal Sacrifices to their Lord King Man.
Change of subject, I also hate back-splash from dropping a log.
pretty sure that was a fox. and the most disturbing part BY FAR was when the cow was like squeezed or something in that machine and it came out the other end alive. wft.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
The reason I have not joined in any movement against the mistreatment of animals is because 100% of those involved spend the majority of their time protesting based in ignorance.
What I mean is that if these people actual spent some time in the wild or researching nature, actually spent some time using their cerebral brain instead of primitive brain, or even learning things about genetics, then they would realize that so much of this crap is not mistreatment outside of the norm. Sure, crushing a cow and it dying a slow death, writhing in agony, looks pretty gruesome, but don't tell me that death by python isn't somehow less torturous and painful.
The problems with mistreating animals have to do with chronic conditions, not acute conditions. 99% of wild animals suffer absolutely horrible deaths. Real mistreatment would probably be on the order of chicken farms like the one in Napolean Dynamite, not the actual process of maiming and killing the chicken. Some of those killings are pretty humane when compared to the wild.
Maybe somebody should tell PETA that wild dogs don't even kill their prey before they start eating it. If animal rights activists want the backing of actual intelligent people, they need to stop pretending like actions that hold no significance over what happens in the wild are wrong
K, I'll bite with the most obvious one:Quote:
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Why should what happens in the wild excuse human cruelty? If I violently raped a woman I'd be known as a fucked up individual and rightly so. Furthermore, I wouldn't be able to cite rape within the animal kingdom as a justification for my crime, because as a human being with empathy and a conscience, I'd be expected to be able to control violent or sexual urges.
Therefore if one can't justify human rape with rape in the animal kingdom, how can one justify animal cruelty?
There's a big difference between comparing something that happens to animals and something that happens to humans. We're really different in some ways, and this was why I mentioned understanding genetics. Rape in the animal kingdom cannot be compared to human kingdom like this for the simple reasons that it causes tremendous problems for humans, but isn't that big of a problem for animals.Quote:
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The point I was making is that an animal that is brought into this world has an extremely high likelyhood of being taken out in a very cruel and miserable fashion. It is then silly to fault humans for doing that which is completely natural. It's an illogical double standard that we put against ourselves. Statistical significance in cruelty arises from chronic conditions of cruelty (which humans do create exclusively and I am very much against).
It's like those against animal cruelty are so naive and delusional that they think that humans are not somehow a product of the natural world. Not that long ago, it was quite natural for humans to hunt and kill animals all the time, but I guess when being born into modern civilization, humans delude themselves into thinking that this kind of killing is somehow wrong.
Another problem with the rape analogy is that it brushes over how we treat animals and how we treat other humans. An example is that it is NOT natural for humans to suffer tremendously upon death in a similar way to animals. Our genome has evolved in a much more controlled environment, and we are literally far more sensitive than animals. Killing a human by clawing your way through its guts is likely to be immensely crueler than doing the same to a wildebeest.
There is, however, another sort of problem inasmuch as it doesn't actually matter if something is 'natural' or not. Evolution doesn't select for that. It is possible that prey dying at the hands of predators is unfathomably horrible, but it cannot be evolutionarily selected for. This brings in a whole different realm of problems though, and ultimately creates a state of philosophical paralysis IMO.
The bottom line is that a human killing an animal isn't somehow different than an animal killing an animal (assuming methods and results are similar, which they are). The real cruelty is in creating conditions for the animals which are worse than what they would experience normally. While I do understand that somebody could philosophically still believe that the human killing the animal is wrong, I have no respect for animal rights activists who remain naive and project their own emotions on how reality really works.
If PETA had their way, all the dogs and cats and gophers and everything would live wild and natural lives, but when they suffered at the hands of other animals, PETA would for sure look the other way and just splash some blood on somebody's coat. I am honestly upset that animal rights activists are ruining their agenda by catering to their primitive instincts and focusing on stuff that is irrational because I do think there are real problems of chronic animal suffering at the hands of humans, but they're hidden amongst all the naive silliness
fuck yeah I like meat
Rare or med-rare?
wufug, you're FOS.
medium rare, I like the pink but don't want a living/breathing animal on my plate. most places don't cook medium rare, though, for health reasons, and that makes me sad.
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+1. i'm about as far away as you can get from being a PETA activist, but give me a break wuf.Quote:
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ya, srsly, wtf? I have never eaten anywhere that wont serve medium rare. But then again, if a place didnt want to serve medium rare, then I wouldnt want to eat a medium rare steak from their kitchen, ducy?Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
Wuf, while logic leads me to completely agree with you, I still find some objection. Im not going to cry out and turn into a vegan cuz of one video of a mishap in a meat processing factory. But I do think we should strive to do the killings in the most (reasonably) humane way. Hell, doing it humanely is probably more efficient anyways.
Where I completley agree with you is that the real problem is how the animals are treated when they are making weight or on the way to slaughter. Animals packed into tiny pens forced to live in their own excrement, its not only inhumane and a worse condition than the wild, but its also is bad for the people consuming the meat as these animals are more likely to be sickly and diseased. And then theres physical abuse... workers punting chickens, excessively prodding cows, etc etc.
Thinking of slitting off this topic into it's own thread. Food for thought:
http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~yount/text/engel.pdf
http://www.uta.edu/philosophy/facult...%282000%29.pdf
Yeah I don't disagree at all. It's a frustrating topic though since it's easy to accidentally conflate issues or let intuition/emotions take over.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
There is one entirely different way to look at it than I did. That way involves human emotion. A good example can be found in the difference between killing an unknown animal for food vs killing your pet dog for food. From a cold and statistical perspective, there is little to no difference, but from an emotional perspective, there can be tremendous difference. This kind of emotion behind killing can very much carry over into slaughtering practices or slaughtering itself
Anyone ever write an article on the immorality of eating oranges? Because I consider fruit to be the same as fish.
staying in a beach house in australia with durrr, ziigmund and a couple other buddies... zig has 4 tattoos, 3 of which he lost in bets with his friends and the 4th is his ex girlfriend's name
fucking awesome
lol, gabe, that's pretty sick
when are you going to be on TV like durrrrrrrrr?
this is why this thread is awesome.Quote:
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sounds like livin
def, I'm whatever the color of jealousy is with jealousy.Quote:
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Also, quick chuckle. Sarah Palin reads notes off her hand during her Q&A yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhY7uvoI9Oo
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omg I ate so much tonight at my SB party, way too many pigs in a blanket thingies
I made these: http://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/s...-chicken-wingsQuote:
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I got the recipe from 2+2 and they were a huge hit. We had parm cheese chicken wings and home-made honey bbq, they were all amazing.
My roommate is a pretty awesome cook so he made bbq pulled chicken sandwiches, some extremely delicious mac n cheese platter with bread crumbs and bacon, potato skins, spinach dip, and pigs in a blanket. I gained 5 billion pounds.
I was thinking how FTR is a rare occurrence on the interwebs where people are generally mature and respectful to each other. When trying to think of a reason, I came to the conclusion that besides reactive moderating, the legal age restrictions of poker is a major contributor. This led me to think about other age restrictions like drinking and how I've always thought 21 was ridiculous for a drinking age. However, what would it be like if it was 18? If there wasn't a legal age limit? Would bars turn into 4chan filled with cp?
Apparently, FOS is the new thoughtful analysis
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wuf, I used the term because your argument(s) in the post I was referencing were purely conjecture and not backed with any supporting evidence.Quote:
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nuff said imo
Not sure what you're looking for with regards to evidence. My post wasn't really about what any evidence says, but about not ignoring the obvious and looking at it logically.
I mean, I didn't feel like I should back up the fact that most wild animals die horrible deaths because this fact strikes me as being pretty obvious. What I wanted to point out was the common naivety to this fact
If there's something specific you would like for me to back up with some data, let me know.
Expand. Such as? Our genetic material is for the most part identical.The differences that make us human are actually minor.Quote:
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Is it? We breed billions of animals in controlled environments for human consumption. That is hardy "natural." It's biological manufacturing.Quote:
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If they're making a moral argument, how is that delusional?Quote:
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O RLY? This is the most bogus part of your argument. Evidence please.Quote:
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I remember turning a blind eye on dwarfman for his age and he eventually exploded. It could possibly be a microcosm of the real-world. Though there do exist lenient drinking laws abroad (18 in G.B.) and I don't hear about those countries burning to the ground thanks to youthful drunken hijinks. On the other side of the coin, alcohol is outlawed in Muslim countries and those guys are effin crazy!Quote:
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I'm thinking about swinging out and buying more wings and making another half-batch tonight.Quote:
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I think a Poker Cookbook would sell well.
i had a 5lb bag of wings, so i only made a 1/2 batch to start with, but i did 24 sriracha/12 reg hot wings. If i had to do it again, they all would be sriracha. i mean seriously, those may be the best wings i've ever eaten.Quote:
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I'm not sure what the precise label is (probably something along the lines of false comparison or false analogy), but making sure to not falsely compare similar things is important in science. A great example can be found in pharmaceutical experimentation with mice. Many supplement companies love to claim that a new product that works in mice will also work in humans, but the science has shown that this is not reliable. Even though we test with mice partly due to very similar genome, we also know that just because something works with mice doesn't mean it will work with humans.Quote:
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This was the point I was making. Just because one species is a certain way does not mean that another species is that same way. Genetics is not as straightforward as it may appear on the surface. We share a lot of DNA with lots of stuff that is very different than us
I was referring to wild animals, but apparently I forgot to mention that. Your point is valid, and I don't really disagree with it at all. Modern civilization systematically breeds animals for the sole purpose of consumption, and I do think that may be a problem. But that is also a different issue than what I was trying to addressQuote:
Is it? We breed billions of animals in controlled environments for human consumption. That is hardy "natural." It's biological manufacturing.
My experience is that moral arguments depend upon cognitive dissonance, represent one of the problems in Loki's Wager, and ultimately ends up in philosophical paralysis. My response to morality is to keep it pragmatic. This is, however, not an issue I care to discuss. When I first become interested in philosophical things, I became very turned off to the entire concept due to the circular dilemma created when not viewing the philosophy through pragmatic lenses.Quote:
If they're making a moral argument, how is that delusional?
This is one part of my post with a lot of speculation mainly because there are a loads of unanswered questions with regards to differences in pain experiences between animals and humans. I also partly went back on it in the next paragraphQuote:
O RLY? This is the most bogus part of your argument. Evidence please.
The point is that from an evolutionary perspective, high pain threshold and tolerance is likely to not have been selected for with humans as much as with other animals. On top of that, the higher brain functions appear to be very important with regards to experience of pain or emotions. There doesn't appear to be much conclusive data on this stuff other than just knowing that the role is important or showing the responses in other areas. That's all I was pointing out. Nobody knows exactly how animals perceive pain or emotion, but we do know that psychological factors play heavy roles, and that animals do not appear to have many of those factors relative to humans (but they do still have some). Low enough down that chain, and biological organisms will only experience things like fight or flight or a simple nervous reaction, but higher up the chain you'll find organisms that go well beyond that and experience things like crippling fear and despair or very sensitive and acute nervous reactions.
This isn't really a different topic than evaluating the differences of consciousness of animals and humans, but even cutting edge science hasn't gotten that far on that topic. Conclusive peer-review research on this subject is gonna be few and far between.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E7wg...layer_embedded
Apparently 25% of the world's imprisoned population is in the U.S.
What. The. Fuck?
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Arguments aren't very random...
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/201...nhandclose.jpg
reads
energy
budget cuts ('budget' x'd out)
tax
lift american spirits
shawah paylin 4 president plzplzplz
all i could think of was handjobs
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And disgusts. Seriously, what the fuck?Quote:
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On the bright side, I have now discovered QI.
WWE has changed the name of this month's Elimination Chamber pay-per-view name back to "No Way Out" for fans in Germany, as the company felt the phrase "Elimination Chamber" could be seen as politically incorrect in the country. (Source: PWInsider.com)
there was an earthquake just outside of chicago this morning... wtf?
the end is commmmminnnnnnnnnggggggggg
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!111!
yo momma so fat, when she visits you in Chicago it registers 4.3 on the Richter scale!Quote:
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Fox News poll. Do your duty:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...arty-movement/
awesome gabe. we miss u round here.
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Can finally check seeing durrr topless off my bucket list
Call me a homophobe if you want, but I rofl'd at this one
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/r...r-1895818.html
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Joke was funny. Offended homos need to stop being such fags.
rugby is full of gays
haha NASA Scientists Plan to Apporach Girl by 2018
http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...nion_rss_daily
lol, just a little too awesome
haha epic
So if they scout it out in 2018, when do you think the rest of us will get a chance?Quote:
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bigred my man where the fck you been?
http://tv.gawker.com/5470990/
Oh Canada, way to kick off the Olympics.
lol canada is so much fail. nail in the coffin imo
its that uhc they got up there. it keeps evolution from killing the least fit
i ended up choosing miller '07
Necova '06
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miller 08
had to jerk it afew times to decide a few pivotal matchups
Decker '07
Funny thing about the opening ceremonies fail is 95% of Canada will just shrug it's shoulders and say "meh, shit happens". The world will forget about it in 3 days as well. If this happened in the US, you guys would shit fucking bricks and have the president asking for heads to roll for the embarrassment caused to the US people. The whole world would run with this in the press for weeks and you guys would never be able to not have a sore spot when it gets mentioned by a non US citizen for the next 10 years.
Canada's got two goals for this Olympics. IT's first gold medal on home soil EVER, and Olympic hockey gold as well. Try finding another country going into any Olympic games with that little expectation for a 35+million people. Life is good up here.
speaking of winter olympics
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/video/n...-crash-9823485
I honestly don't think it's a big deal.
It was a boring opening ceremony with a technical malfunction which caused an awkward pause. Not exactly "epic" material.
I think people just like to complain about stuff and/or forget that the olympics aren't all about the opening ceremonies.
Edit: Also, everyone should be happy the organizers didn't pull out the Celine Dione or Nickleback card
Exactly, if the setting were a couple of latitudes southwards, there would be outrage!
this was just awful. they're running the men's competition from the women's starting point for now and have erected a barrier where the accident happened. just sick.Quote:
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do you know why the women have a shorter track? makes no sense to me....