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Just grinded a solid 3.5 hr session. Felt like I played great and didn't come close to tilting.
One fascinating hand occured when playing a reg HU about 140bb's deep.
He 4-bet me and I felt like it was the perfect time for him to be 4-betting me light so I reshoved Q7s. He SNAPPED it off with KQo and shipped the pot.
We chatted after the hand and he said "I thought your range was Ax suited and big pairs"
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lol, what? Good call for a bad reason, sucks :(
Put in a quick session at the juicy late-night tables and am happy with a solid day's work. I got into a couple interesting spots but overall didn't experience anything too crazy.
I think I'm finally getting a handle on low-limit PLO. I've been sitting at a few tables here and there and am starting to see some decent results.
Sorry if the poker content of this blog has sucked of late, but I've really tried to concentrate on the grind itself rather than everything surrounding it. In the past I've avoided playing as much as I could and taken refuge in the forums, railing ppl and talkign poker. Now is the time to grind baby.
If anybody still takes the time to read this yawn-o-blog, feel free to ask questions - be they poker specific or general stuff - and I'll do my best to answer them. If you're looking for discussion on specific situations it might motivate me to look at interesting hands so just fire away.
post some PLO handzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
don t have ptracker or anything else for PLO :(
shit I don't even have PT3 or HEM yet, gotta get off my lazy ass
Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
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Just shut things down 600 hands into a session. It’s a good thing there weren’t any bananas lying around my apartment because I’d have probably eaten all of them and been constipated for a week. Felt like such a fucking monkey.
What does it take to put me on tilt? I think regs owning me hard by taking weird and fishy lines puts me on tilt. I just reviewed my HH’s and decided that 5 hands caused me to want to punch a hole in my monitor. Let’s go through them 1 by 1.
Here’s my 1st tilt-hand. Villain is a reg I’ve owned over and over and over again, mainly by playing strong and straightforward.
Seat 1: HERO (€200 in chips)
Seat 2: Chavinder (€164.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Snaitug (€200 in chips)
Seat 5: Danton (€33 in chips)
Seat 6: stekarn (€256.60 in chips)
stekarn: posts small blind €1
HERO: posts big blind €2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO :ks: :qc:
Chavinder: folds
Snaitug: raises to €8
Danton: folds
stekarn: folds
mrxxxxx joins the table at seat #4
HERO: calls €6
----- FLOP ----- :5d: :4d: :9h:
HERO: checks
Snaitug: checks
----- TURN ----- :5d: :4d: :9h: :6d:
HERO: bets €13
Snaitug: raises to €26
HERO: raises to €62
Snaitug: calls €36
----- RIVER ----- :5d: :4d: :9h: :6d: :kh:
HERO: bets €130 and is all-in
Snaitug: calls €130 and is all-in
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows :ks: :qc: (A Pair of Kings, Queen high)
Snaitug: shows :ah: :ad: (A Pair of Aces, King high)
Snaitug collected €398 from Main pot
I’m not gonna spend a long time writing this entry, but this hand just blew my mind on so many levels. My river shove was a strange play but I really thought he’d be shoving all better hands on the turn and that the only hand that I’d be value-stacking myself vs would be AK with a diamond. My head kind of exploded when he flipped over his hand. Vs my calling range in the blinds, how can he not bet the flop? Because he thinks I’ll spaz out and 3-bet bluff a turn after he minrases me?
So I’m already steaming.
Next I play this hand vs my poker soulmate, Ravageur. Nothing much to be said except that ppl never ever give me any credit in this spot because I appear to be spewy preflop. I seriously had a bad feeling when I saw the gutshot draw on the flop :
Seat 2: Jackb2502 (£200 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO (£200 in chips)
Seat 4: 0fresh0 (£227.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Ravageur (£282.39 in chips)
Seat 6: Jibby147 (£289.10 in chips)
Jackb2502: posts small blind £1
HERO: posts big blind £2
Ravageur: posts small blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO :ad: :ah:
balmore joins the table at seat #1
0fresh0: folds
balmore sits out
Ravageur: raises to £7
Jibby147: calls £7
Jackb2502: folds
HERO: raises to £31
Ravageur: calls £24
Jibby147: calls £24
----- FLOP ----- :jc: :5s: :kh:
HERO: bets £56
gift joins the table at seat #4
Ravageur: raises to £251.39 and is all-in
Jibby147: folds
HERO: is all-in £113
Returned uncalled bets £82.39 to Ravageur
----- TURN ----- :jc: :5s: :kh: :9s:
----- RIVER ----- :jc: :5s: :kh: :9s: :qh:
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Ravageur: shows :tc: :ac: (A Straight, Ace high)
HERO: shows :ad: :ah: (A Pair of Aces, King high)
Ravageur collected £429 from Main pot
So that one is just kind *sigh*… What can you do? In itself it definitely didn’t tilt me. In fact, it felt good to get it in as such a huge favourite and kind of un-tilted me.
About 3 mins later, I ran KJ into 77 on KJ7hh board at fullring for an 800$ pot. Meh.
Then this hand took place vs same villain who had AA in hand 1. It literally put me off the deep end :
Seat 1: HERO (€211.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Chavinder (€163.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Snaitug (€248.20 in chips)
Seat 4: mrxxxxx (€194.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Alang2109 (€308.60 in chips)
Seat 6: stekarn (€227.60 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind €1
Chavinder: posts big blind €2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO :ah: :th:
Snaitug: calls €2
mrxxxxx: folds
Alang2109: folds
stekarn: folds
HERO: raises to €11
Chavinder: folds
Snaitug: calls €9
----- FLOP ----- :ts: :2c: :2d:
HERO: bets €16
Snaitug: raises to €40
HERO: calls €24
----- TURN ----- :ts: :2c: :2d: :8s:
HERO: checks
Snaitug: checks
----- RIVER ----- :ts: :2c: :2d: :8s: :js:
HERO: bets €41
Snaitug: calls €41
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows :ah: :th: (Two Pairs, Tens and Twos, Ace high)
Snaitug: shows :kh: :kd: (Two Pairs, Kings and Twos, Jack high)
Snaitug collected €183 from Main pot
How can ppl play so bad and own me so good? I seriously don’t know what to say about this hand. It’s fascinating how much it tilted me. Any advice or comments are welcome. Seriously why does shit like this drive me off the deep end?
The proverbial nail-in-the-coffin to my shortlived session came during 2 small pots that occurred simultaneously. Nothing too weird, but seriously what the fuck is going on in the 1st hand (oop float) and I just shut down my cpu after the oesd hit the river in the 2nd one :
Seat 1: Yorkie25 ($473.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Teamgods1 ($278.01 in chips)
Seat 3: KWR460 ($480 in chips)
Seat 6: Lovequeen ($222 in chips)
Seat 7: HERO ($545 in chips)
Seat 8: Neemelo ($480 in chips)
Seat 10: mmhhmm ($288 in chips)
mmhhmm: posts small blind $2
Yorkie25: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO :as: :5s:
Teamgods1: calls $5
KWR460: folds
0fresh0 joins the table at seat #4
Lovequeen: folds
HERO: raises to $21
Neemelo: folds
mmhhmm: folds
Yorkie25: folds
Teamgods1: calls $16
----- FLOP ----- :qd: :4h: :qh:
Teamgods1: checks
HERO: bets $31
Teamgods1: calls $31
----- TURN ----- :qd: :4h: :qh: :5h:
Teamgods1: checks
HERO: checks
----- RIVER ----- :qd: :4h: :qh: :5h: :tc:
Teamgods1: checks
HERO: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Teamgods1: shows :kh: :ts: (Two Pairs, Queens and Tens, King high)
HERO: mucks hand :as: :5s:
Teamgods1 collected $108 from Main pot
Seat 1: dunderich ($46.75 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO ($301.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Napstar ($61.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Kaiser004 ($68 in chips)
Seat 5: Bob26071 ($38 in chips)
Seat 6: placebo66 ($199.28 in chips)
Seat 7: PaulB75 ($405.69 in chips)
Seat 8: The_miko ($63.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Sarah66 ($45 in chips)
Seat 10: Gonnaneed ($73 in chips)
Bob26071: posts small blind $1
placebo66: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO :ah: :qh:
PaulB75: folds
The_miko: calls $2
Sarah66: folds
Gonnaneed: folds
dunderich: folds
HERO: raises to $8
Napstar: folds
Kaiser004: folds
Bob26071: folds
placebo66: folds
The_miko: calls $6
----- FLOP ----- :5s: :8h: :7c:
The_miko: checks
HERO: checks
----- TURN ----- :5s: :8h: :7c: :qc:
The_miko: bets $8
HERO: raises to $35
The_miko: raises to $55.80 and is all-in
HERO: calls $20.80
----- RIVER ----- :5s: :8h: :7c: :qc: :9s:
----- SHOW DOWN -----
The_miko: shows :6h: :6c: (A Straight, Nine high)
HERO: shows :ah: :qh: (A Pair of Queens, Ace high)
The_miko collected $127.60 from Main pot
While posting a bunch of lame hands might not seem productive, hopefully I can get closer to understanding what it is that tilts me. I think it has to do with feeling owned. The guy who won the 2 big pots off of me with AA and KK is definitely not a big winner. Paying him off when he takes terrible fishy lines makes me feel like I suck which, in turn, makes me feel like a monkey.
Man, those are some weird lines.
I'd guess it tilts you because you pride yourself on playing well postflop, which means reading hands well, and when people take spastic unreadable lines you lose that edge.
Some of those hands are a bit lol though.
just played another 400 hands and got set-over-setted 3 times for stacks, twice in 3 bet pots
blahblahblahblahblah fuck variance fuck it fuck it
it s a broken record... but man is it ever important to detach myself from results
what I find so hard is this : staying connected to and worried about results is the easiest way for me to avoid making spewy and fancy plays and warring with regs. instead, when I'm "worried" about my results, I lower my variance out of fear of posting a big loss.
The obvious problem with this is handling brutal beats and coolers. It's hard to be attached to results as a buffer against fancy play and spewing without the irrational emotional reaction to suckouts and coolers.
How can I be more even-keeled and straightforward without tilting the minute variance bites me in the ass?
That, my friends, is the question.
Man I (and just about everyone else probably) wish there was an easy answer to that question.
I've had some luck working on that side of things recently, but who knows if what helped me will help you. Like you I probably follow my results a bit too closely. I'm getting better at not tracking my results too closely during sessions (I used to refresh HEM session results every 5-10 mins). Mainly I just sat down one day and really considered what poker could mean to me. What it would mean to get the kinds of monthly results I should be capable of getting? Then I really thought about how the sessions where I tilted or spewed were affecting that. It was literally handicapping me. I even took a screenshot of my monthly graph and edited it to remove my spewy sessions to see what it would have looked like if I hadnt played those ones (not results oriented, just the 3-4 sessions where I really spewed), and it was amazing the difference it made (and what my BR would have been otherwise). So for me a real focus on the downside of those bad sessions to my overall results, and how much better my progress would be if I could remove them helped me focus a lot. It comes to mind now when the tilt starts creeping in. I'm even finding I can reverse it and get back to playing well now, where I never could before, but even at worst I'm now good at quitting when I should because I'm aware of the risks of playing on when I'm not right.
ya that s def solid advice (keeping the "longview" in mind)
I m good at quitting, but the greater concern is - what you seem to be getting good at - avoiding the path that leads to quitting out of frustration/fear in the 1st place.
This is all obvious shit, but I think the path to equanimity or peace of levelheadedness is different for everybody. Just when I think I'm getting over the hump, things pop up that make me realize just how far I have to go.
Much of it probably has to do with the state of mind I'm in outside of poker. It's a constant and interesting challenge.
FWIW...Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
I'm just beginning to learn the game so can't say much about it. It certainly helps keep me level to know that even accomplished players find the psychological and emotional battles associated with the game challenging and, to an extent, insurmountable.
As for your personal journey.. I know very few individuals of such aptitude, intellect and inspiring disposition. So if there's anyone I know that can excel - not just at a game of cards but at anything he chooses - it's you.
Now if you could just show me how... ;)
thx for the kind words al
when I start my luckboxpoker.com training site, maybe I'll use that quote on my main page?! ;)
just a little ramble - sometimes it helps me to spit things out here. actually fuck the "little" part. this ll probably be long.
The anonymity of this blog affords an unusual and valuable opportunity to create a virtual alias. While this may seem inconsequential, I feel like it's essential in making myself believe in my online persona.
I was never much of a computer nerd but I know quite a few and the online poker experience for me has been similar to what I've seen some people go through with characters in online RPG's. The imagined persona of a character acquired through battles with other level 47 Felar Assasins isn't all that different from the special dynamics acquired through nitty or spewy history between myself and other regs. It changes things dramatically and it's what makes playing regs interesting and stimulating and challenging.
Believing in my poker alias means assuming a kind of imaginative ownership over the virtual life of my poker screenname. Without this I'd feel empty everytime I popped open the tables. Obviously if there were no financial incentive, I wouldn't be constantly searching for new ways to motivate myself to play more hands.
Most people might just be inspired by the idea of making tons of money. I am a strange and creative person. The idea of creating and maintaining some kind of imagined online legacy (like rolling some awesome Duergar Warrior) gets me a whole lot more excited that the idea of making 400$/hr. So I have to accept this and exploit it and tap into it. When I'm really playing my best, I take responsibility for every play I make, almost in an ethical sense. The good plays - both creative and disciplined - make me feel like I'm living well. The spews and stationy calls make me feel like a douche. For someone relatively uninterested in money, it's important that there be some emotional value - even if it's completely imagined - in the activity I'm choosing to spend my time pursuing.
I've been thinking of paying relatively big bucks to hire a poker coach. This is kind of tangential to the above blahblah because it relates to ownership and pride for my game.
Throughout my life, when working really hard to get good at something, I've always had a mentor, sometimes several. Some were decent, others were awesome, a couple were meh. Regardless, they all elicited a strong desire in me to show them I could improve. I have a natural desire to see myself progress, but I get a huge kick out of taking the advice and guidance of others, assimilating it and churning out improved results.
Much of this is due to a basically pleasing, suck-up nature. There's part of it, on the other hand, that is simply a product of my love for camaraderie and a team or group mentality. Right now, when I evolve as a poker player and achieve good results, I feel happy for myself. In other activities, I've always felt the double satisfaction of getting better for myself and reflecting well on my mentor/coach/team.
As I write this I realize that paying lots of money for an overpriced coach who's probably not much better at poker than I am might seem crazy. But I know myself well enough to know that regular sessions and someone eagerly looking for me to post good results, move up and crush the games would be a huge motivation and make my success all that much more satisfying.
As a sidenote, the coaching that I've done has been hugely satisfying. I'm working with a lowstakes grinder right now who's been sweating me quite a bit (maybe 5 hrs or so per week). I get much more pleasure out of my sessions when I'm explaining things to him as we go along. Maybe the same will be true when the roles are reversed.
I'd really appreciate any advice or comments from people who've either given or received serious coaching in the past.
Good post man,
I've never gotten any coaching, so I probably can't be too great input on that. But I've definitely thought about it and am pretty sure that someone else watching your game can be a god way to find certain leaks that you wouldn't even consider.
That's pretty interesting about your whole "poker legacy" thing that you wanna create. I kind of always associated the legacy and the earnings side by side. The more you earn.... the greater chance of you creating your legacy!
last night I played for about 5 hours, just 4 juicy late night tables, mixing in plo and NL
Within the 1st hour I was down no less than 8 full stacks at plo.
Then my QQ lost AI pre to JJ 800$ deep at NL 2-5.
Then something strange happened. Or rather, didn't happen.
It's hard to say how much of it was the result of mental work I've been doing lately, but I just felt no tilt. None. I wasn't eager to win it back, wasn't looking to outplay the douches who had sucked out on me.
Instead, I just kept thinking about gameflow, equity and position.
I won it back at NL and then left a PLO table with - wait for it - 1100bb's. This is not a joke or an exaggeration. Too bad I don't track my PLO play. But I feel like I improved at PLO more in 1 session than I have in all of my previous sessions and study.
Don't want to celebrate too much. No doubt tilt will creep back in at just the wrong time and tempt me to get spewy and impatient and emotional.
But, for at least one night, I felt invincible to tilt and just kept dispassionately looking for the edge and exploiting it.
sick. nice comeback. quite a transformation from your usual raging monkey tilt. ;)
but monkey tilt makes for so much for fun when someone's railing you
i concurQuote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
Just played a late-night session at some AWESOME tables.
I'm not sure the word is tilted. I guess I'm just flabbergasted. Variance is a bitch, yadayadayada...
I made exactly 2 high variance plays this entire session.
Two.
Not one, not 3, not 14.
Two.
Here's high variance play #1 :
I misclicked preflop and hit the “fold to any bet” button so I insta-checked the flop to him. I think the shove is fine since his calling range has to be super tight and includes lots of draws that don’t have a pair yet. It’s a little spewy but puts him in a gross spot with less than AK.
Table "Heartsdefender" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 2: luckydonk ($896.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Ruste2508 ($485.71 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO ($1096.65 in chips)
Seat 6: The_moron ($1096 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind $2
The_moron: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO :9d: :9s:
luckydonk: folds
Ruste2508: folds
HERO: raises to $20
The_moron: raises to $55
HERO: raises to $181
The_moron: calls $126
----- FLOP ----- :3h: :ks: :ts:
HERO: checks
The_moron: bets $200
HERO: raises to $915.65 and is all-in
The_moron: is all-in $715
Returned uncalled bets $0.65 to HERO
----- TURN ----- :3h: :ks: :5s: :ah:
----- RIVER ----- :3h: :ks: :5s: :ah: :as:
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows :9d: :9s: (Two Pairs, Aces and Nines, King high)
The_moron: shows :tc: :td: (A Full House, Tens full of Aces)
The_moron collected $2190 from Main pot
In the next hand, villain had been peeling flop raises UBER light OOP (think bottom pair + gutter). I felt like there was a decent chance he’d call me for a normal bet a good % of the time on the river since he’s a pretty laggy stationy type so I shoved since I can have a flush and he pretty much can't ever.
A few hands before I had raised flop and 2 barelled turn then called his river shove after hitting BD flush and got coolered by his higher BD flush on another table.
Needless to say, my head exploded a bit when I saw his hand. The most soul-crushing part was I was 100% sure he was folding. He called with less than a second left in his timebank.
Game #8185273584: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/10/30 - 06:38:23 (UK)
Table "RiohachaGuajira" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: HERO (£1071.20 in chips)
Seat 2: farmer-g (£1248.02 in chips)
Seat 3: Dukatos (£602 in chips)
Seat 4: MF199 (£147 in chips)
Seat 5: Tuana0907 (£908.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Loser18 (£1283.15 in chips)
farmer-g: posts small blind £2
Dukatos: posts big blind £5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO :5h: :3h:
MF199: folds
Tuana0907: folds
Loser18: raises to £20
HERO: calls £20
farmer-g: folds
Dukatos: folds
----- FLOP ----- :jc: :qs: :ks:
Loser18: bets £34
HERO: raises to £92
Loser18: calls £58
----- TURN ----- :jc: :qs: :ks: :7h:
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets £135
Loser18: calls £135
----- RIVER ----- :jc: :qs: :ks: :7h: :6s:
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets £824.20 and is all-in
Loser18: calls £824.20
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows :5h: :3h: (High Card King)
Loser18: shows :qh: :qc: (Three of a kind, Queens, King high)
Loser18 collected £2146.40 from Main pot
Sucks that this was the biggest pot I’ve ever played. Also sucks that I played awesome the entire session at awesome tables and made 2 moves that crushed me, both 200+ bb's deep.
it s funny there s part of me that wants to cry and another part that feels completely unaffected and is kind of chuckling
god I guess this means Loser will never ever fold to me again?
I guess I'm more pissed than I've admitted to myself about these two pots since I keep coming back to this thread.
If I look at my lifetime moving up, down and around various limits, one trend is constant :
all of the biggest pots I've contested (400bb's +) have involved giant bluffs that have been called. I have never, in all of my hands played (maybe 450k or so?) won a pot over 450bb's and I've twice gotten sucked out for 500bb pots, once when I was a 96.3% favourite.
Weird. I guess this is a kind of running bad on the swingy massive pots. At the same time, if I had avoided getting myself into spots where I was spewing away 250bb's, maybe
I'd be playing 10-20 and 25-50 right now instead of 2-5 and 5-10?
Food for thought I guess.
This is exactly exactly how i feel about my poker year right now. Glad to see (or I guess I'm not really glad to see cause it sucks) that I'm not the only one that feels like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
Hope things turn around man! I'm starting to think that its almost bet to just cut out these massive bluffs really... I'm not even sure ppl adjust enough to call down that light and instead just call down when they have it.
srsly though how the fk does loser have QQQ in that last hand
in the 1st hand, whatever, he flopped a set in a 4 bet pot 200bb s for him when there was exactly 1 set he could ve flopped on that board. gg
for some reason I just untilted from the hand where Loser called me with QQQ. His range is weak and can't take much heat. I like my bet.
The 99 hand isn't nearly as good, although there's already a buyin in the middle and I've repped a hand that can't take heat (JJ-QQ) so it's far from terrible vs a thinking reg.
Yay poker is fun
Variance is all well and good, but I'm yet to hear anyone explain why when villains win a 2 outer its for a 200bb+ pot, and when I win a 2 outer its for a 50bb- pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
hmmm i just finished a long intense session and it looks like I dropped 2k
maybe that s a bad sign? I'll post some hands
haha god i was surprised i lost so much... Guess this is why :
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Seat 1: redmundir ($883.25 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO ($747.15 in chips)
Seat 3: Ierokama ($218.85 in chips)
Seat 4: bluecheek ($508.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Loser18 ($1032 in chips)
redmundir: posts small blind $2
HERO: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [8d Jd]
Ierokama: folds
bluecheek: raises to $15
Loser18: calls $15
redmundir: folds
HERO: calls $10
----- FLOP ----- [6h 2s 8h]
HERO: bets $31
bluecheek: folds
Loser18: raises to $109
HERO: raises to $732.15 and is all-in
Loser18: calls $623.15
----- TURN ----- [6h 2s 8h][Ah]
----- RIVER ----- [6h 2s 8h Ah][Th]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [8d Jd] (A Pair of Eights, Ace high)
Loser18: shows [6d 6c] (Three of a kind, Sixes, Ace high)
Loser18 collected $1508.30 from Main pot
Table "Heartsdefender" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Loser18 ($573 in chips)
Seat 2: redmundir sits out
Seat 3: ShootEmUp ($537 in chips)
Seat 4: Mefatbird ($121 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($758.25 in chips)
ShootEmUp: posts small blind $2
Mefatbird: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Ks Kc]
HERO: raises to $13
Loser18: raises to $55
ShootEmUp: folds
Mefatbird: folds
HERO: calls $42
----- FLOP ----- [Qc Qh 6s]
HERO: checks
Loser18: bets $91
HERO: raises to $703.25 and is all-in
Loser18: is all-in $427
Returned uncalled bets $185.25 to HERO
----- TURN ----- [Qc Qh 6s][5h]
----- RIVER ----- [Qc Qh 6s 5h][Js]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [Ks Kc] (Two Pairs, Kings and Queens, Jack high)
Loser18: shows [Qd As] (Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high)
Loser18 collected $1151 from Main pot
Table "Heartsdefender" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Loser18 ($573 in chips)
Seat 2: redmundir sits out
Seat 3: ShootEmUp ($537 in chips)
Seat 4: Mefatbird ($121 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($758.25 in chips)
ShootEmUp: posts small blind $2
Mefatbird: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Ks Kc]
HERO: raises to $13
Loser18: raises to $55
ShootEmUp: folds
Mefatbird: folds
HERO: calls $42
----- FLOP ----- [Qc Qh 6s]
HERO: checks
Loser18: bets $91
HERO: raises to $703.25 and is all-in
Loser18: is all-in $427
Returned uncalled bets $185.25 to HERO
----- TURN ----- [Qc Qh 6s][5h]
----- RIVER ----- [Qc Qh 6s 5h][Js]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [Ks Kc] (Two Pairs, Kings and Queens, Jack high)
Loser18: shows [Qd As] (Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high)
Loser18 collected $1151 from Main pot
Table "Keizan" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 2: HERO ($525.05 in chips)
Seat 4: redmundir ($398.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Loser18 ($1590 in chips)
redmundir: posts small blind $2
Loser18: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Kh Ks]
HERO: raises to $17
redmundir: folds
Loser18: calls $12
----- FLOP ----- [Tc 8s 3d]
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets $31
Loser18: calls $31
----- TURN ----- [Tc 8s 3d][5h]
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets $81
Loser18: calls $81
----- RIVER ----- [Tc 8s 3d 5h][Td]
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets $396.05 and is all-in
Loser18: calls $396.05
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [Kh Ks] (Two Pairs, Kings and Tens, Eight high)
Loser18: shows [7h Th] (Three of a kind, Tens, Eight high)
Loser18 collected $1050.10 from Main pot
Table "Chaucer" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: redmundir ($463.55 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO ($1017.90 in chips)
Seat 3: berjobull ($191.40 in chips)
Seat 4: bluecheek ($495 in chips)
Seat 5: Loser18 ($594 in chips)
bluecheek: posts small blind $2
Loser18: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Ad Kh]
redmundir: raises to $20
HERO: raises to $71
berjobull: folds
bluecheek: folds
Loser18: folds
redmundir: raises to $463.55 and is all-in
HERO: calls $392.55
----- FLOP ----- [6c 5h Jd]
----- TURN ----- [6c 5h Jd][Ts]
----- RIVER ----- [6c 5h Jd Ts][3h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
redmundir: shows [9c 9h] (A Pair of Nines, Jack high)
HERO: shows [Ad Kh] (High Card Ace)
redmundir collected $931.10 from Main pot
Table "Keizan" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 2: HERO ($511 in chips)
Seat 4: redmundir ($397.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Loser18 ($2101.05 in chips)
redmundir: posts small blind $2
Loser18: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Kc Qs]
CLS350 joins the table at seat #1
HERO: raises to $16
redmundir: raises to $65
Loser18: folds
HERO: calls $49
----- FLOP ----- [Qd Th 9c]
redmundir: bets $115
HERO: raises to $446 and is all-in
redmundir: is all-in $217.50
Returned uncalled bets $113.50 to HERO
----- TURN ----- [Qd Th 9c][7h]
----- RIVER ----- [Qd Th 9c 7h][Jh]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [Kc Qs] (A Straight, King high)
redmundir: shows [Kd Ah] (A Straight, Ace high)
redmundir collected $798 from Main pot
Guess that's how you feel like you played decent and end up losing 2k. Funny that I can't wait to play 2morrow.
Also, Alex and Griffey get back to me on the prop bet imo.
Just checked out those hands, and I don't know, I just feel like in general some of them are just overplayed. Though I know thats probably moreso to do with your style and your history with like Loser and stuff.
The first hand, top pair 8 hand is just kinda whatever. You're at best flipping with his calling range there and I think he probably doesn't even fold 8x, and all 8x beat you and dominate you.
The KK hand, I think if someone is 3-betting your UTG open from UTG+1 that you can safely just 4-bet there and expect they will get it in. I'd be more likely to slow play from like CO vs button or something like that.
The KK on TxxxT board. I really think Tx is his most likely holding by far, follow by other midpairs. I think your bet on the river, and the sizing is just polarizing his calling range to hands that beat you (Tx) and folding out the others. But you'd know this better, since this is an image/history spot if anything.
others are fine obviously! Man you play such a high variance style, I couldn't deal :)
Ok book the propbet for 500$. 15k hands min at 2/5+ running at 7ptbb+.
oh and just saw you and dylan's halloween costumes.. ahaha.. aweeeeeesome!
haha last night was epic imo
Grif in the 1st hand it was effectively Co vs Btn and he seems to fold everytime I 4 bet him since he rr's trash so often in LP wars
Ok Alex book it
just make sure you don't bust and still have 500$ in you account to pay me at the end of the month
just deleted the records for every hand of poker I ever played while installing HEM
not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing
I've been playing awesome so far in November and getting absolutely destroyed.
I have never gone this long without winning a flip in a rr pot.
I'm not tilted, just kind of bored waiting for variance to turn around.
Genitruc and Griffey's variance turns......Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
nowwwwwww
BOOM SWITCH
tyty
edit : if I keep running bad it s obv your fault now
if anybody who reads this thread is interested in going to UFC 91 Lesnar vs Couture, PM me. I have 4 extra tickets that I am willing to sell for cheaper than you'll find anywhere else.
Where is this going down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
I'm guessin not Toronto...Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
Vegas?
vegas baby
so you're missing it for CPC right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
Mannnnn I so wanna go.. this masters is a pain in the ass. Can't wait for next year, I'm all over vegas/cpc!
So I take it you're not gonna take the discount to go with Rav (leave Friday and get back late Sunday/early Monday)
naah wish I could.. would be sweet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
If I was gonna take any time off I"d prob go to CPC and play alex at live poker.. that would pay for the trip in itself.. after a couple hours!
Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
Have an awesome time at CPC dude!
zomg its tomarraw!!! MAKE MANIEEEEZZZ
THE F DO
is this a spoooky graveyard?
Hey rilla
WANNA TEAM UP?
MAKE THE MANIEZ?
THE F DO
THE F DO AMEN BROTHA!
What a sick sick cruise.
Had a great time. Split action in the Main Event (2.7k buyin) with 3 friends, one of whom was chip leader more than half way through after set-over-setting me (chip dump obv).
Somehow none of us paid out but it was a great fking time.
Back to the grind wheeeee...
pics of hot interpoker plat support girls obviously!
pfft drunken memories are way better imo
Some highlights had to be :Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
-Andy on the dancefloor at any point in time (lawnmower ftl)
-Alexos telling a bunch of brits that he was a pokerroom manager and offering them rakeback at 5 am and the actual poker manager pretending that he was alexos and owned them online (yeah you had to be there) and then proceeded to ask the crew staff on what deck level they sold Crack.
-Polish dealer omg broke my heart
-Bubbling main event wat?
-Wheel of fortune?!!
We should write a trip report but it would probably get a lot of people potentially in trouble so probably not a good idea.
oh god, i think we should get Jesper to write the TR :P hah!
trip report would be so deadly but so awesome agreed
we should just invent gimmick accounts and change all our names then shipit
Saw some of andy and dylan's pics. Looked like a good time boys. Dylan has some drink spillage issues!Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
so did you other guys make some money in the cash games? I know alex is a live donk.. so that answers that.
i made maybe 1k in cash but dropping 2.7k in the main event and running ice-cold in donk n go's made it a losing trip financially
lawnmower ftl? psssssssssssh
heard you're bringing some short stacking styles to crypto?Quote:
Originally Posted by andy-akb
haha yea, ill try not to tilt you guys too hard
i m sitting to the immediate left of a guy playing 96/3
he has 700bb's
it's all mine
make it 800bb's
so u stack him yet? been 42 minutes now
only got 2 buyins back before he quit
highlights were :
AQ vs his 22 on QQ2 flop in rr pot
my backdoor flush vs him running boat on 428AA
my AT vs his A9 all in on turn on A2259
my J9 vs his flushdraw all in on turn 200bb's deep on 25J93 (riv completes flush obv)
my AJ vs his J5 on JJT board ai on flop (chop ftw obv)
that s all i can remember. he left with about 750bb's after butt fking some other ppl too. it was a night to remember.
I'm guessing at his stats but I paid close attention to every hand at the table (i ran at about 55/50, making each of his limps 8x... he didn't fold once and routinely cold-called other regs' 3 bets of my punishes with stuff like 59o). He folded preflop 4 times in 5 hours at the table and raised probably under 10 times total.
My favourite hand was him owning me by calling 3 barrels on AT726 board vs my open-ended str8 flushdraw including a river shove when he his 4th pair w 69o.
96/3? SU obv
holy geez... limits? who was this guy and sounds like you lost a lot to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
bah fishhhh
I hate fish on your left, though I still think fish on your left is > no fish at all.
I had an 85/35 next to me two days ago who owned my life too... was pretty annoying!
i meant to my immediate right
it was so awesome... It was at 1-2 pounds and i was making it 14 preflop almost every hand and he would just limp-call every every every single hand
having position on him makes it even more incredible that he took stack after stack after stack. His SN was something like Veon26137...
life stuff has been relatively brutal of late. i ve been grinding school stuff like a motherfucker and that has lead to a grand total of 1.5k hands of poker in december so far
vacation starts sunday for me. the plan is 15k hands in 3 days, then a total break. gl me. i ll post anything worth posting if i have time/tilt in between sessions.
gl with school stuff! I SHOULD be grinding school stuff more.... you'll have to teach me how to avoid the poker slacking off!Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
so far I've played 10k hands in 3 days
not quite 15k but I'm happy with the discipline
I've been playing 10-14 tables of nl and plo between 1-2 and 5-10
my few forays into 5-10 have resulted in 2 buyins lost, AA being -2.4k etc
(insert running bad b.s.)
oh well I'm playing pretty great imo. fk it.
haven't updated in 4ever but I'm too tilted not to post this somewhere
I had a whaaaaaaaaale down to his last 600$ after sitting down with him deep at 5-10. Got it in w KK on KQx dd vs his bare flushdraw.
11 minutes later he was sitting on 6.3k and instaquit after winning AJ to my QQ AI pre 300bb's deep.
My roll is short these days and I'm only playing when the games are great since school is my #1 priority until the summer. Recently I have been on my worst downswing ever (somewhere between 15 and 20k depending on the value of the pound). I had won most of it back until tonight.
I just need to write asdjkf;JKD;SAJF A;DS JA;SFDAKS;
AASD FA
SJD KFLA
JWEIA
FEWJ KAS
DJ
SDAIJ
OIF JD T8W934389 T
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goi FDJDFKJ KSD JFAKDS JSDA`KJFA;SDKJSAK;F JA;DSK A;DSKJFA;DSK J;SDAF;KJA
Ok that's much better.
Man, that sucks.
those 3 words actually felt pretty good to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Bjaust I haven't kept up with things much but if you're playing these days, find your toughest hand from the past while and just for shits and giggles I'll give as detailed a thought process for every street as I can.
If bjaust doesn't read this soon and somebody else actually peeks at this old blog sometime, let me know who you are (if I don't already) and post a tough hand. I'll get on the 1st one I find and go as deeply into it as I can.
I guess I'm just in one of those moods.
also a random comment about variance :
today my closest poker friend - a 5 ptbb winner at 2-5 and 5-10 over his past 170k hands - dropped 12k at 2-5 and lower. The ev graph was pretty much a straight line towards break-evenville.
seriously.
Blaah yah I heard/witnessed this on crypto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
No more running bad boys! Time to turn things around.
gl gen, and I applaud you for making school #1 priority. I can't do it.. this thesis is getting nowhere.. sigh. How's your stuff going?
I can see the light at the end of the tunnelQuote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
Should be finished by early June. Man it's killing me to watch ppl grind 80k hand months and make the maniez, but I just really have to get this over with.
Thanks for offer :). Just started up again after a couple months break and running hot atm. Havnt had a heap of tough hands, but this one I guess confused me as there were multiple options on every street:
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG titu49 ($20.97)
UTG 1 reyes666 ($76.10)
CO DyingWolf ($46.75)
BTN Hero ($53.15)
SB Calicles ($52.15)
BB kaurty ($55.25)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN :as: :js:
titu49 calls $0.50, 1 fold, DyingWolf raises to $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 2 folds, titu49 calls $2
Flop: :4d: :2s: :ks: ($8.25, 3 players)
titu49 checks, DyingWolf bets $3, Hero calls $3, titu49 calls $3
Turn: :8c: ($17.25, 3 players)
titu49 checks, DyingWolf bets $6, Hero calls $6, titu49 calls $6
River: :9h: ($35.25, 3 players)
titu49 checks, DyingWolf bets $11, Hero calls $11, titu49 folds
[Results Hidden]
No reads on either person beyond small sample stats suggesting DyingWolf as very laggy and titu as very loose passive. One of my things is where I might normally semi-bluff, but get offered good odds.
Flop I c/r this hand fairly often, or lead out. As played, turn I call given the odds he's giving. River - he's not betting into two ppl here with worse than A high, so despite the odds we're getting, I fold here. If this was HU, I might call.
PFR acts before me on all streets. Its funny, if he bets say $5 on flop I probably raise him, but for only $3 into an $11 pot the odds just win me over. Do you think his range is weak enough and contains enough stuff that beats me but would fold to a river shove?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
I wouldn't get too fancy here, we don't know what the player left to act has. We could own ourselves bluff raising, if he's strong here. If you were last to act, its possible, but we aren't repping anything.
I've never given 'odds' as much thought as I probably should, but I seem to have the opposite reaction you do. When I see that small bet and I have an over and the NFD i'm just thinking about building the pot in position so I make it 13$ and it also often gives us an opportunity to see a free turn card that we can check behind if that is what we're feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
I just call pre and I fold the river as you played it.
Yeah, this thought occurred to me too. If I read that small bet as weakness, then I add a lot of fold equity to my pot equity, meaning I should really be more likely to semi-bluff here than v's a std c-bet.
these guys know what they're talking about
fwiw I had already seen this hand posted in your blog after offering to give out a thought process and I immediately was like wtf no flop raise
maybe if I'm high in an hour or so I'll give some sort of mathematical rationale for the flop CR or lead
hit me with another one of you want
Ok, I thought this was an interesting spot. Looks standard at first, but I think maybe stack sizes change things a bit.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG dr-gonzo ($51.50)
UTG 1 reijokinnas ($58.35)
CO xxxspykexxx ($41.35)
BTN Hero ($35.80)
SB Ozka ($27.30)
BB Gantsgorn30 ($49.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN :7c: :ac:
2 folds, xxxspykexxx calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, Ozka calls $2, Gantsgorn30 calls $1.75, xxxspykexxx folds
Flop: :js: :tc: :9c: ($7.25, 3 players)
Ozka checks, Gantsgorn30 checks, Hero bets $4, Ozka raises to $8, Gantsgorn30 folds, Hero raises to $33.55, Ozka calls $17.05
Isolation PF is v's a 50/5 serial limp/call/fold'er. Two guys who flat me are both kind of 30/10 type guys. No good reads beyond stats. I dont believe my A or 8 are valid outs, so I'm really only going for the flush, but I cant fold to the min-raise, and flatting with him being so short cant be good, but I'm about to stack off as a 30% chance. Maybe not c-betting is an option, but I think I have too much equity for that.
bj - If villain c/r you here was a full stack, I might even say flat his c/r. I don't think the 8 is a clean out all that often, and I don't think we have that much fold equity on this type of board. But given his stack, shovey shovey.
an interesting question is whether or not there s a point where playing the flop vs a short and vs a deep stacked opponent become similar facing the flop CR.
as played there's nothing wrong with flatting the flop raise and evaluating the turn. he s usually not folding when you nut and may play passively if one of a million turn cards hit, giving you a free river (if a turn J, T, 9, 8, 7, K or Q doesn t improve his hand) so I think flatting the flop raise is def +ev.
as to whether shoving is more +ev, we d have to know more about the villain to know what kind of range he s representing here since some ppl will raise this with a with variety of shit and some will only raise this with top 2 or better.
without knowing that, we just have to assume he s somewhere in between, giving us something like 38% equity vs his CR range which easily justifies shoving with all the money in the pot but probably makes calling a better play just to fold the turn unimproved to a decent-sized bet
I assume he's got at least TP+draw or better. I dont remember having much of a read on him.
If we call and he shoves turn we have to call $17 into a $23 pot, which isnt a hard fold with only 1 street to come, and we can call flop with $4 into $19 pot on pot odds alone. I think it comes down to FE and I really dont think I had any there.
Mind looking at one more?
Villain in this hand is running at 15% 3-bet and high c-bet. Flop is a fairly standard attempt by me to exploit his range, good or bad? I know most bluffs without equity are bad, but his range is so wide here I figure I pick up the pot a lot and he cant continue with much. Then on turn I find myself with a PSB and backdoored a FD. Was confused how to handle it. I figured rather than push I'd put in a 2/3 psb and give myself odds to call if he shoves over. I figure I'm representing either a set or FD so he may find a fold here:
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($56.15)
UTG 1 ($177.21)
CO ($99.70)
Hero (BTN) ($52.45)
SB ($100.25)
BB ($56.10)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN :kd: :js:
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $4.75, Hero calls $3.25
Flop: :7s: :2d: :4s: ($9.75, 2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero raises to $13, BB calls $9
Turn: :qs: ($35.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB raises to $38.35, Hero calls $14.70
gotta run right now but interesting hand ; i ll think about it and respond soon.
k i m pretty baked and exhausted right now after throwing a party but my first reaction is that preflop is o.k. to good, flop is meh to o.k. and turn is bad to meh. i ll try and spit something coherant out after I wake up.
Which part of turn do you think is meh? I think once he bluff raises turn, he should certainly be continuing on this card. The call though... I'm not sure about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
Spoke to Griffey about it. I think I like his line of calling flop and betting if checked to on turn, raising if he bets turn and a spade comes in, or just folding turn if it doesnt and he bets. Turn I have to call $15 into $90 after I bet, so I've got odds, unless of course he's either already hit or has a better FD (A or K). Is that what makes the call bad?
I prefer floating the flop to raising because we're repping sets and AA-KK as well as FD's and bluffs when we raise
By just calling the flop we can rep a wide range of stuff as strong as TT or even JJ, depending on his preflop history/reads of you, and the BD Jhi FD will come in handy some % of the time. There's also the added benefit of him dbl barreling a K on the turn since our range looks like small pairs so often.
Aggros don't care about monsters and just tend to put ppl on bluffs or draws so I think you'll see villain 3 bet shove a wide range of made hands here (prob 99+ and some good/spewy villains will 3 bet shove AQ or AK since you rarely have AK bluffing in this spot and they have good equity vs your overs + FD hands).
I think the key to this hand is that I don't see most aggros who are used to playing 3 bet pots OOP (and this villain def qualifies based on OP) showing up on the turn here with many midstrength made hands (stuff like TT-QQ with no spade), since those will mostly shove AI on flop.
If we could put lots of those midstrength made hands in villain's range on the turn then a decent-sized bet (like the one you made) would be good since the flush getting there is presumably a better thing for our range than his.
If I had to guess at a range distribution for the aggro 3-bettor's bet-call line on the flop I'd suggest that it's polarized to monsters and floats with the bare A or K(less likely)hi backdoor spade draw. Based on this assumption, he's check-shoving his ENTIRE RANGE on this turn (since nothing makes ppl spazz out more than floating with then picking up a BDFD), pricing you in and dominating you.
So as played I'd just check back the turn and bet the river for about half pot when checked to.
Thanks, lots to think about there.
just lost 7k vs a bunch of donks at 2-5 and lower playing late night my 2nd day back grinding after a bunch of school shit
why does this always fucking happen
asdf ;kjads kjQuote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
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Oh man... that sucks dude.
I took a week off and played my first session like 3-4 days ago and dropped like 6k in the first hour :(
Poker variance knows when you're vulnerable!
Good luck if you play today!