I've got Gabe, Hoopy and JKDS at exactly null btw, and Evene absent.
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I've got Gabe, Hoopy and JKDS at exactly null btw, and Evene absent.
I just realized MMM isn't in this game. Is he SuperMonkeyFace?
No I think it's an unouted gimmick for someone from 2+2
Ok, I see where MMM outed in the first post in the sign up thread.
I've got to go to bed, I've got the get up in about 6 hours. I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow night and get my spreadsheet going.
not a fan of his bold stylistically or by rationale.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
i care about not d1 ganking ww nubs not ftr nub ww vets. it would be silly to treat ww vets with kid gloves just because theyre ftr nubs. i feel like this should be obvious, which suggests you might be a wolf shooting your water pistol at me.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
lynch ong
Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I don't agree with you in the slightest on the Ong lynch but I'm reading this post as villagy for some reason.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
|| VOTE COUNT ||
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
player (votes) || who's voting for them
baudib (1) || ship
Gator (1) || BID
ong (1) || wuf
rascal (1) || baudib
ship (1) || Kami
SMF (1) || JKDS
wuf (1) || ong
no vote (8) || Cory, Evene, gabe, Gator, Hoopy, rascal, rilla, SMF
There are 15 living players. Majority is 8 votes.
Day 1 will end at 5pm Friday (Luco time)
rescind
I don't see the cases on baudib, gator, ong, or wuf having any credibility right now.
I like the monkey lynch. He clamed up immediately the second he got accused.
rascal are you wolfing on me
you can tell me the truth
How do I vote
[v]Hoopy[/v]?
Hoopy?
never bold the hoopman. the dude is unbeaten in ww. 236 and 0. he's been vig twice, killing 6 wolves in 5 shots. he was seer in a game where there was no seer. the mod was just too intimidated by the hoopman's presence that he sent him wolf peeks every night. one time the hoopman bolded a villager by accident. once.
rescind
i apologize
Wuf is trolling but Hoopy is probably exactly rand right now.
shit nigga i aint trollin nothin. remember the last time hoops was a wolf? he nommed four players in one night!
Quality postQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
respect
im on campus for 13 hours on wednesdays. if i log on tomorrow, it will be because i have free time that i may or may not have. earliest i'll be back could be thursday afternoon or evening.
Lol accused of what? You voted me and didn't even give an explanation. I couldnt care less about that vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
It's funny how you disregard 4 (yes, 4) cases on 4 other people because they have no credibility and then proceed to say you like a monkey lynch when I'm the most town-y player itg so far? LOL. Pretty sure there's more than 4 people that would disagree with you there
I can't get over that dismissal of 4 wagons and push an entirely different 5th wagon for way less.
I just iso'd him too. He's literally done nothing in this game which makes this point ^ even stronger. And way wolfier.
Lynch JKDS
so far i think gator, ong, and baud are on my suspicious list.
shipitup and monkeyface seem very villager to me
monkeyface, i dont think that jkds stuff is necessarily wolfy. after just finishing a game with him, and playing with him a lot in the past, jkds is doing that stuff often has a villager
Oh god, its a second baudib.
Gabe:
why are your reads from like Opposite Land?
SMF is very likely villager.
wolf leaning post for thinking so much about wolf roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
this post consists of an allusion to some nonsense read and a jokey tone follow up. seems unnatural for baidb. wolfyQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
telling himself to "just stop [posting]" after making so many obvious wolfy posts on day 1. the last sentence of the previous quote expresses feeling alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
meh wolfyQuote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
i had the opposite feeling on shipitup. so i feel its likely gator is a wolf knowing shipitup might be dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
thinking about wolfy roles = wolfy. especially when the 'wolf tailor' is a new role at FTR and it requires everyone to be aware of it. but villagers are less likely to bring it up on day1. wolfy points for baudib and gator for thisQuote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
maybe wolfy. not as strong of a feeling on this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
this post i thought SIU was spelling things out in a pure wayQuote:
Originally Posted by ShipItUp
Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
this is not rhetorical
is it me or you?
one thing thats cool about this game is these new players are experienced, and also have meta between themselves. its hard for me to tell how much meta wrongly influences my thinking as a villager. like if everyone was anonymous ... would we make bias related mistakes less often? i never really got to experiment with that in the FTR anon game (lol)
i am going to try and read all the new members as if they were a random person off the street
also i would never have those^ thoughts as a wolf. so rest assured
time will tell ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
ill add that ong is not on my most suspicious tier. the re read made me back off that
Why tho? He spends the first part of the day slowly building a case on SIU, after a few have called SIU suspicious. That makes SIU the most likely wagon at the time, and an easy target for a wolf. I vote him, then all of his 'investigative' work comes to a crashing halt. In addition, all he can think about is how villagery other people find him, so hes obv concerned with how people are perceiving him.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Hes done work, sure. But anyone whos ever played ww more than a few times is fully aware of the "work hard so you look towny" trick.
Ill give you this. He "NO U"'d me, which is ive seen more often from inexperienced villagers than vet wolves. But hes still wolfier than anyone else thats posted so far.
I'd probably lynch like 10 people ahead of SMF right now.
maybe it's me.
Here's how I see the early game AORN
Extremely game-solvey in ways that wolves are unlikely to act: Cory, Ong, SuperMonkey
Somewhat game-solvey, but not super villagery: Gator, JKDS, Gabe, ShipItUp, Drew
Reasonably active, which is a good sign for her: Kami
Totally lacking in any real content: Lilrascal, Hoopy, Wuf. I think Wuf had one post that made me feel good about him, but other than that he laid down an inconspicuous vote on someone who was getting heat without any real explanation, and his other posts are totally meh.
Not active: Evene
forgot one
He's in the game?!? Rilla
I see what you're getting at but just because someone is putting in an effort - does not mean they are putting together a "trick".Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
D1 is such a hilar crapshoot that I don't anyone can actually pin down someone at a high rate of success.
I've fallen victim to being lynched D1 many times in the past solely based on "bid is different this game." Most of the time, the village was wrong and I was a villager. However, I do see the merit in it because of how little we have to go on.
Take rilla for example, I know it's only been like 24hrs irl into D1 but he's nowhere to be seen. > rando wolf
baudib and ong are baudib and ong. Their balancing in this game is great as far as post count goes. Ong sucks at being tone consitent tho lol :p... No wolfy vibes from either.
rascal and wuf are using irl excuses for their lack of content, albeit wuf stated prior to the game (which is a solid strat even if irl is not busy). Anyways, both are > rando wolf.
I never have a read on JKDS. Ever. Fuck him.
Hoopy and evene need to participate more.
I have zero reads on the other new players and I'm sure I've missed many...
D1 is the most important day in every game.
Your chances of lynching a wolf on D1 is the same or greater as any other day.
I don't get JKDS' attack on SMF AT ALL.
like, he said what he had to say, said it more intelligently than any else who was looking with eyebrow raised at SIU, then nothing else was going on and he said he was leaving.
JKDS throws a random vote on him.
He says, "that's rude," and leaves
what else was he supposed to?
I sorta get how JKDS can see it as "suspicious" but much ado about nothing I think?
You must be trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Not at all. I've never seen a game where almost all the clues you needed to solve the game weren't apparent on D1.
Bunch of us here just played an 85-player mash where the wolves basically clinched it on D1.
I'd love to see your maths re: binking a wolf D1 is = binking a wolf on D2... Both for when you miss and hit
I'm pretty sure we lynch a wolf D1 here 40%+
Sick maths. I'm convinced.
rescind
lynch baudib
Lynch Bankitdrew
villager baudib that i know always has some cluesQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
lynch baudib
lynch Gabe omgus
lynch Gabe
pretty weak stuff baud. i came in here and posted my pure thoughts. i wasnt trying to post them to convince people i was a villager. i posted my version of The Truth freely to help the village see what i'm seeing
I don't like ANY of you reads. I mean, there aren't many times when I fully comprehend how your process works, but this is mostly a straightforward case of you A. misinterpreting the simplest information and/or B. not understanding meta between other players.
I can elaborate if you'd like but it'd probably be a waste of time. Only wolves think about wolf roles? Really? How often do we even have wolf roles? Something potentially game breaking like a tailor/godfather maker merits serious discussion.
Gun to my head, I'd say you're a villager more often than Gator, but it's close.
What exactly do you not like about Ong?
The Hoopman forgives you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
for instance this post by SIU is largely true but an extreme overreaction to a pretty simple point:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShipItUp
Ship is slightly more likely to post in this fashion as a wolf than a villager.
When someone says, "I do this in both roles" or "it's role-neutral" etc., this is also a pretty big red flag and often isn't true.
SIU did in fact post entirely in this manner for a whole game, as a wolf, and he hasn't done that as a villager. Thus, starting the game like that isn't a good sign, because it's not his normal opening. As for the times I had "copied" his style, I was a wolf 60% of the time (3 of 5).
Anyway, SIU is on the back burner until he and Kami talk ITT.
It does give me pause that both Ong and Gabe are on high-Gator alert. I just realized I never villaged against Gator's wolf game except for the anon game where I got modkilled early on D1.
Hoopy:
anything to share with the class?
I'm expecting some colour coding, last game you didn't have your usual analysis and were wolfing.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
Any info on how kami, Cory, SIU play?
To JKDS: Look at these posts, and click through to see context. First quote is in response to SIU. Second group is responding seemingly as he reads. Hard for a wolf who allegedly hasn't played many forum games to fake these reactions.
Also, what wolf says things like "Mindmeld."
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace
To be fair the voting last game was unusual and harder to graph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Having played against GatorWolf several times, it's fine to be paranoid about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Dude is the best wolf on this site.
that's not exactly a #hottake
what do you think of the game so far?
I don't think wuf would straight up lie about being busy, didn't he say that he hated the inactive wolf strat with a passion? Doesn't fit with how he sees the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I don't know how I missed that snippet from BID but that's a pretty AIDS post.
nice job Hoopy
Last game was different because of the multiple voting which messed me up some. This is a normal game as far add that's concerned so I will have my normal analysis and I'll try and get you some colors, but normally I'll only be posting late in the evening when I get to the hotel after work. Right now, I'm waiting on a plane so I'll do a but of phone posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Kami is a but of a wildcard IMO. Other than one long game on MU, I think I've only played turbos with her. In that game she was a vanilla villager that fake peeked me would when I was the seer. It caused two days of havoc and the wolves were able to vanillaize me. I don't have fond memories kid that game. Baudib was in it and referenced it earlier.
SIU, I only remember from turbos and that's been a while back, so I don't have much to go on about him in a long game.
Cory, my other "son" is a great player in either role, but he had a tendency to read me as wolf when I'm villa.
A what?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I think Ong jumping on Gator for 'traitor' instead of 'tailor' is a big reach, I don't think Ong actually believes he's got a wolf.
Gator would probably not put 3 errors in a post if trying to be derpcleared. 1 is enough.
Monkey is slightly defensive vs JKDS, if he goes back to hunting though I'm not worried.
It's good to have more new people playing.
That's it atm. I'm still recovering from my first MU game.
I've seen the term "mindmeld" used before in both roles, especially in turbos. That may give us an indicator of who SuperMonkey might be. I'd have to go look at done turbos to see who theirs that term around.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Does gator normally try for a derp clear? He had 2 or 3 posts like that last game which seemed odd based on what you'll have told me about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
What's bothering me the most this game is the lack of Baudib/Ong fireworks.
They've either learned from past mistakes in this regard (which would be good but unlikely IMO) our one or both then is a wolf.
Our = or
(I don't like phone posting)
Rascal you're slightly sketching me out.
Nope, what about you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
This is Cory's standard start of interaction with me no matter what his role is.
Why is that? My participation is going to be limited like last game. Right now, I'm sitting in an airport trying to do some catching up before I get on a cross country flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
As I said last night, I plan to get my spreadsheets together tonight and read more in depth. So far, this is going faster than a normal FTR game, so i thought I'd give my comments for now and get some interaction in.
This does not look like a standard Ong post. It just seems of to me. Maybe it's the new players in the mix, but Ong usually just Ong's.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Getting on the plane now. I'll catch up this evening when I'm on a computer rather than my phone.
Highlighted is appropriate response. The rest? I'm not sketched out because you're busy IRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
rascal
He a wolfy soab
Also baudib ship says mindmd of as a wolf all the time to pocket people
He a sketchy soab
He likes to suck up tbh
Or maybe just to me idk