I think the village is in luck because you bolded me and aren't putting the usually Wufwugy effort into proving your case.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
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I think the village is in luck because you bolded me and aren't putting the usually Wufwugy effort into proving your case.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
We need more VILLAGERS voting guys. There's been some astonishing shit that's gone down in this thread and people are acting like nothing's happened.
What's happened that's so astonishing? I must have missed it.
Rong, to paraphrase you, are you playing for the wolf den of tomorrow or the village of today?
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Originally Posted by baudib
Because I'm obviously a villager, and the better players will realize this.
Consider this: When I was a wolf I never got bolded, because I managed to get enormous villager cred.
Now, as a villager, I'm leading the voting.
This tells me I'm doing a good job of pissing off the wolves.
What's the case against me? If being confident in my reads was a lynchable offense, Wuf would be an auto D1 lynch every game.
My vig strat idea worked exactly as I thought it would. If you're a villager, is the endorsement from Gabe not enough for you?
I won't be lynching baudib as he is putting too much effort into the game right now. Same goes for wuf. Dan and Keith strike me wrong so I could vote for either of them atm.
I feel like Keith is just being Keith. He's not trying to make shit up and see if it sticks. He's treating me with healthy skepticism and I respect that.
Rong still bothers me but not as much as before.
I'll be off pokering for a bit.
I remember what it was -- Rong made a good catch on GrayFoxx's list of reads, which was basically a list of "the people who don't like baudib's idea are townish, lynch baudib."
GF plays on Mafiascum so he's not a noob even if he tried to pretend to be.
I touched on your idea 4/8 reasons."Basically" is kind of stretching it. What else was there to talk about? You guys are doing alot of referencing to past games. I'm working with what is in front of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
My mafia scum name is the same as this one, check it out. Its my first game, still in day one. So I guess this technically my second. Im not noob even if I tried to pretend to be? Could you rephrase that? I feel like thats a triple negative or something.
How are you so sure who's who already? If you are town, how did you expect wolves to react? Did you seta trap by voting Bikes, or do you think HE is a wolf?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
Catch 22 for me. If I'm right and he is a wolf, I'm a wolf. If you are saying this because of my vote, its wierd that you are second to vote him.
It would make me your scapegoat if you are the other wolf, and you 2 are trying to create distance from each other.
Your saying his confidence is wolfish is wierd because there is none.This could be you giving a false reason to vote him if you are wolf.
He has acted like his bandwagon is a waste of time. Seems like a good wolf strat, not confidence.
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Didn't mean to say other wolf as if there were only 2. I am used to there being 2 baddies in my phrasing.
Rong still bothers me but not as much as before.
I remember what it was -- Rong made a good catch on GrayFoxx's list of reads, which was basically a list of "the people who don't like baudib's idea are townish, lynch baudib."
Baudib, how does rong catching my wording error make him seem more town? I notice the way you phrased your second comment halfway puts words in rongs mouth.
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You're at a clear disadvantage as this is your first game. It's only my second game; I came in at the end of the last game, where I had to replace the last remaining wolf.
But werewolves, like poker, is a game of information. As you said, you're only working with what's in front of you. Everyone who's a veteran has a reputation and a play style and it's all there for you to read in the forum.
Mostly hyperbole. Everyone puffs their chest out and jokes they know everything, especially on Day 1. You seem awfully concerned about what I think though, shouldn't you be trying to prove I'm a wolf?Quote:
How are you so sure who's who already? If you are town, how did you expect wolves to react? Did you seta trap by voting Bikes, or do you think HE is a wolf?
I've dominated the conversation far too much, it's a game and it should be fun for everyone. Have at it.
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Originally Posted by baudib
Baudib, in 133 you also said -
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As I said he was my zero-information lynch pick(Keith), if I felt he was wolfy at all I'd vote for him.
But you say your vote on Bikes was a joke aka no info. This leaves alot of room for confusion.Quote:
Keith, given this exact population of players, you were my default lynch given little to no information on Day 1.
Could you elaborate?
Not really, I'm still watching the wolves react.
I think being concerned about what you think has alot to do with proving you are wolf.
There are 3 wolves in the game. Try to find the other 2. I bet you could do it.
I never said my vote on Bikes was a joke and I'm quite happy with my vote where it stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoxxxx
thats a pretty time consuming task. its an easy bluff to make if you were a wolf but the fact is the vast majority of people wouldnt do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
i was leaning towards baudib=villager since he wrote so many words, which i usually find very villagery (with a couple specific exceptions). he seemed so gung-ho after the last game that maybe hes an excited player who was destined to make alot of posts in this game regardless of role
just a request ........if you are quoting someone can you make it clear what you are quoting so that we don't have to then go searching for the lines being quoted to find who said what and work through the context. in endgame and lots of posts to work through , this is going to be more annoying than it is nowQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
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wuf's a wolf, you guys.
grayfoxxx is a villager, btw. And I believe that baudib would have read all the past game threads. The guy has got a motor for these games.
On baudib's vig the quiet people: It seems to me that this was a play to drive up post-count as he has said a few times. Baudib is the only guy currently trying anything while everyone else stays pretty day 1 philosophical. Also, he's being pretty open about what he's doing.
Keep him around.
Gator is definitely a slow starter as a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
lynch wufwugy
My bones, I feels it in my bones.
oops that didn't work
you'd think after 9 years I'd know how to post pics on this site
Of all the noob insight thus far, from my perspective, this one seems to ring most true. A noob can speed read countless threads from past games and garner a basic knowledge of procedure. But it's difficult to fully understand strategy without experiencing it. Reading early posts in this game I came to the conclusion that a silent noob is doomed and so threw out some how-ya-doin' stuff/fluff. It ain't deep but it lets folks know there's a person behind the name who's tuned in. I've been hoping for other noob content to gauge my participation but that ain't happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Anyway, considering there are 3 wolves, I suspect a high likelihood that one's a noob. So picking us off early, especially low participant ones, has its merit. I wouldn't worry about what a dead noob does in future play. If I like WW, I'll join again.; it doesn't cost anything.
A request: Can we stop using first names or other nicknames when referring to each other? I have to guess who the comment is about then look up a profile to confirm. Oy.
Changing gears, it seems pointless to fill the game with bickering on-on about games/days past. I don't feel it adds to the Gold Rush mission. At this point, with so little information, I'd lynch a loudmouth just to get some peace and put the focus back on track.
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theres no reason this series of posts couldnt have been in two posts . THis is the spinoff of baldrics strategy. but leads to the question of what rilla has to hide that he feels that he has to post in this manner .Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
They were hours apart and putting them into one coherent post would require composing that post. My way was easier.
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Originally Posted by Keybored
which names are you struggling with ? only non obvious one I can think of is dan ....who was danarong or something like that and it was shortened to rong.
Baldric's strategy?
Killing low post count players. Well, specifically having the vig do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
yeah right 11.42 and 11.43 .....no reason that they couldn't have been in 1 post .Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
3.12 ,3.13 and 3.16 and no reason that they couldn't have been in a second post. Looks at what i said and sees that i said that rilla's posts could have been in "TWO POSTS" and wondered why he posted like that to avoid a vig shot . so what are you trying to hide ? Don't remember you soing that before.
Shrug. I post the way I post.
Not buying anything Baud is selling. He has basically said that he has figured out who the wolves are, he's keeping everything tight to his vest, but will reveal soonish. Classic wolf. I gave him all yesterday to fix his shit, to see if he would actually play like a villager by trying to figure things out, but he's just still sticking to "i got this bro, no need to explain or learn more"
@Baudib. So you are telling me: you wanted to vote Keith for no reason. You voted Bikes, when bikes hadn't posted much of anything. You say its for reactionanry purposes. You then say you like your Bikes vote. I ask you to elaborate on all of this and your response is, "Just waiting for wolves to react". Very confusing.
Also, I cant lynch 3 wolves in one day, I'm going to work on 1.B ut I do have Wuf as a wolf right now.
In post 167 you said
[/QUOTE]Mostly hyperbole. Everyone puffs their chest out and jokes they know everything, especially on Day 1. [/QUOTE] This was in response to why you said bikes was wolf.
Now, In 173 you say
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I never said my vote on Bikes was a joke and I'm quite happy with my vote where it stands.
You reason in kinda empty. What do you expect the wolves to do? "Shit he voted bikes, we gotta confess".
Curse my formatting handicap
I thought bikes was wolfy through his first two posts.
Keith, I got the impression that there was definitely some post-padding going on by a couple people after I made my vig post.
Of everyone in the game, I most wanted to hear more from Rilla today because I had him as a huge question mark. I'm satisfied with his input for now but I'd like to hear why he thinks GrayFoxxxx is a villager. The only thing that I can see is that he sees him as acting like a lone noob villager trying to find his way through the haze as opposed to being coached in the wolf den. GF's reads post set off all kinds of alarm bells.
The most amazing thing about GF's list of reads is he left Wufwugy off it entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoxxxx
I rather think it's classic wolf to line up a great lynch on principle in lolzzz, commit to it day 1, then put in great effort to justify your pivot to a promising wagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
Seems wuf is ducking the accusations.
I made that greyfoxxx comment after a quick breeze through the thread this morning. When I reread later, I was tempted to back off that statement. Kinda waiting to see how he walks out the day.
@Gorilla, what do you think of wuf saying I'm probably wolf if Baudib flips wolf? Again, it felt kinda like I was trying to be used as a scapegoat, while 2 wolves had a fauxargument.
Mostly hyperbole. Everyone puffs their chest out and jokes they know everything, especially on Day 1. [/QUOTE] This was in response to why you said bikes was wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoxxxx
Now, In 173 you say
You reason in kinda empty. What do you expect the wolves to do? "Shit he voted bikes, we gotta confess".[/QUOTE]
GF, no. My plan coming into the game, given the list of players, was to vote to lynch Keith on Day 1. I'm not gonna lynch a noob on D1, and there are a bunch of players that, absent wolfy reads, I would never lynch this early. The best way to explain this is that I feel danger of Wolf Keith >>>>>>> value of villager Keith and that he's very hard to read. There are people who are great villagers, but poor wolves, and a couple people who are great at both. It's not an insult to Keith's town game, but a compliment to his wolf game.
To be fair, my perspective is based on being the wolf in the last game, and I never felt that Keith was a threat to me compared to the other players in the game. With the benefit of near-perfect info, I felt Keith was mostly stumbling last game.
I think it's interesting that you have Wuf as a wolf when you didn't mention him at all before.
I think he was reaching for things to think about.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoxxxx
GrayFox is a villager. He's dropping too many villager tells for a noob wolf. I'm not gonna say what my favourite villager tell of his is because I don't want the wolves to start doing it.
a500lbgorilla - sporadic posting is something he does as wolf or villager. I see nothing to be overly concerned about yet, but I'm not getting a villager vibe off him either.
baudib - posting a lot, which we should expect after last game. I'm leaning wolf with him but I'm not in any hurry to kill him off today, seeing as if we're wrong we lose a lot of potential information. He's better left until later, if he's a wolf he'll leave a lot more clues than those who post less.
bigred - look how active he is
bikes - minimal stuff from bikes so far, could go either way with him but he can be a strong villager so I'll leave him be for now.
Credsfan03 - post please
gabe - usual cagey start from gabe, no read
GatorJH - usual slow start from gator, no read
GrayFoxxxx - villager, 95% sure. I'm not in any hurry to explain why seeing as I don't want wolves to start deliberately doing one of my favourite villager tells.
Keith - I think this guy is an awesome wolf and am not prepared to give him too much villager cred, even when I think he is a villager. That said, villager is my lean.
Keybored - not sure, can't remember what he's posted tbh and I'm feeling lazy. Null for now.
lolzzz_321 - replace him please, that's the best thing that can happen with lolz. He's useless and basically trolls the games. I would definitely rather see drew or SDM take his place.
rong - not gonna try and read him until later.
SweetClaireRose - post please
wufwugy - wuf is likely to be a villager if baudib is a wolf. That said if baudib is a villager, I like wuf a lot less.
lynch bigred
We should not allow him to play the way he does. He does next to nothing every game on days 1-3.
baudib is also dropping my favourite villager tell, but he could be doing it deliberately.
Remember last game when Ong fucking soul-fucked Wuf after post 1 by pegging him as the turncoat? (in b4 Wuf says Ong was right for the wrong reasons). I mean brush it off all you want but Ong doesn't get the credit he deserves sometimes. He also read Gator as a villager when everyone wanted to lynch him on reputation alone.
There have been plenty of early soul reads on people that were proven correct, including Gator pegging Dhuber last game, and courtie nailing wolves on her first two lookups.
You know who else LOVES to try to make epic reads on Day 1? Wufwugy. Villager Wuf would have made 20 posts by now explaining why each person was villager or wolf and declare, "Goddamn, I'm good at this game."
Wolves are here: Wuf, Bikes, GrayFoxxxx, Rong, Gator, the no-shows Creds and SweetClaireRose
But no really it's just Wuf, Bikes GrayFoxxxx
Here's why I said thatQuote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoxxxx
Nobody says anything relevant to Baud over the next 25 minutes then he posts thisQuote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoxxxx
WTF is he doing? How can he think Gray is a wolf? He already has pointed out how he thinks he has the wolves figured out, but it would not make any sense for Gray to have been on that list. So maybe he's playing a game to hedge against other wolves, so if one gets found out, it makes others look goodQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I didn't go into much detail because when I make up whole teams on speculation like this, I'm almost always wrong. So I just made a side comment
What accusations? Rilla provided zero, until just nowQuote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoxxxx
If Keith was a wolf, I dont think he would be against that strat. Seems towny. Your feeling of me trying to cast suspicion on him is wrong.
How could I have a Day 1 read on wuf when he hadn't posted? I didn't use anything from Day 0. Very "Amazing"
Bikes agreed with Kieth, and I took notice. They had similar, but not parallel answers. Bikes sort of went into a little more depth in the explanation. Bikes also made the point about discouraging noobs. I didn't get that vibe from Keith. That doesn't look like an echo to me.
I'm not claiming any credit for my wuf soulread last game for a reason - I was just shouting shit, it wasn't a soulread. I don't necessarily think what I post, regardless of my role. A lot of my early play is reaction baiting and basically semi-trolling with the intent of creating information. I think last game I was terrible on d1 and created far too much noise, hence the change of strategy. If I actually thought wuf was the turncoat based on his early play last game, I'd be bragging all this game.
I always do the former, but also usually find a different target when something comes up since nobody ever likes following my "great lynch on principle", as you say. The latter isn't a great effort. I would think you'd see that. Besides, I anticipate the amount of vilcred I will get this game is much less than normal because of the last game, so I expect to get the losing side of things more oftenQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
also, a guide for noobs -
dan = rong
triptanes = lolz
They're the only people who might get called something that is not obvious.
Post 163.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I'm still going with Wuf gave it all away in Night 0.
Thank you so much for saying thisQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
FWIW, you did point out one of my POV slips later in the game, but you didn't catch how important it was. It was when I said this
I was sweating bullets that you or somebody would notice that legit slip then it would crush everything I had said about POV slips being bullshitQuote:
Inb4 you change your mind and bold some rando for no reason whatsoever. It's the ongie way! It's going to infuriate me if you actually get one right, because the points you're making are so wrong yet you're gonna act like they were brilliant all along
But I don't like a Wuf lynch today.
Ridicule me all you want but I felt I had a good feel for Wuf more than any other player after last. There was nothing Wuf could do in Day 1 that was going to convince me he was villager but I didn't want to start by attacking him incessantly. I wanted to let him hang himself and possibly point to the other wolves.
At this point I'd like to keep Wuf around just to toy with him. He'll probably confirm the entire village by tomorrow for those who can read him.
I literally said you two could be doing this. Now you say me and him are doing it???Quote:
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I don't think you are to that great a degree of confidence. I'm explaining my thought process at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by GrayFoxxxx
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
Do you have anything to say about the village of this game, or stuff about me? There are 3 wolves in this game and me and GrayFoxxx are never wolves together.
should be "other than stuff about me"
I did pick up on that but I glossed it over really because I'm reasonably sure that villagers have said something to this effect to me.Quote:
It's going to infuriate me if you actually get one right
I can't tell if it's your inexperience or wolfingQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
Wuf, my "oh jesus you guys are making this too easy" was in response to bikes:
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The guy I bolded mentioning/dismissing me is pretty relevant dontcha thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by bikes
Where oh where is villager Wufwugy? Villager Wufwugy would have explained in amazetaints detail why I was a wolf by now instead of slinging out this weak shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
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GF, no. My plan coming into the game, given the list of players, was to vote to lynch Keith on Day 1. I'm not gonna lynch a noob on D1, and there are a bunch of players that, absent wolfy reads, I would never lynch this early. The best way to explain this is that I feel danger of Wolf Keith >>>>>>> value of villager Keith and that he's very hard to read. There are people who are great villagers, but poor wolves, and a couple people who are great at both. It's not an insult to Keith's town game, but a compliment to his wolf game.
Why did you vote bikes though, after saying you would vote Kieth. Now you are more happy with your bikes vote. Your explaination here would fit if you had actually voted Keith. My whole point was you saying you would vote Kieth but didn't. You obv have a better read on bikes but wont reveal it. Unless you are a wolf making things up.
I think it's interesting that you have Wuf as a wolf when you didn't mention him at all before. Already answered this