we're trying to run some trains and all jkds can do is play witch defense. sure looks alot different than his posting strategy on page 1.
burn and drown jkds
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we're trying to run some trains and all jkds can do is play witch defense. sure looks alot different than his posting strategy on page 1.
burn and drown jkds
But as a rebuttal, it was only when someone mentioned lynching the quiet as a meta-strategy that I even started to think beyond this one game.
Using the word "towning" without a lot of history is pretty strange. I could get on a Luco, JKDS wagon.
Are you going to respond to my counter points? It doesnt look like you care about your theory at all, and are just trying to spread a fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Yes, when i open a thread and see an attack, i respond with a defense. I always have, always will, and do so no matter my role. I also dont know a single player who doesnt.
Burn JKDS
ok, let's see where this goes.
My only worry was putting in a good performance, so let the wagons roll and I'll finger my best guess when it gets close.
FWIW, Luco, JKDS, gabe adn I all posted within half an hour of snap decision on night one.
who plays on other WW sites and what is the site called?
Thats interesting. How do you know it was a snap decision?Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Mafiascum.net (not .com, thats porn). Me, ong, and.....boog on epicmafia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
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Originally Posted by JKDS
Jyms-daven team making a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
I don't. The time stamps seem as though it was, but we already figure they are either working from a list or just happened to have a plan to start the first few nights.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
much discussion has been focused on jkds/luco, but they wont mention each other. also jkds defended luco vs daven.
luco has an oppurtunity to chime in after a string of jkds-centered posts and all he can come up with is
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Originally Posted by Luco
not really. im just organizing evidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
omg omg omg omg
burn jyms!!!
Fluff, "im here post". No contribution. Witchy fence sitting on Ong.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
"We're all doomed, dont even try village!"Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
More fluff.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Gambler's fallacy fluff attack. This isnt committal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Rushed the village to lynch with almost a full day remaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Ive yet to see reasoning for any of his lynches.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Still fluff posting. This isnt hunting. Hes discrediting JV as a villager though without actually attacking him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
More doom and gloom. Dont even try mentality. Again, he lynches without reasoning and just coattails someone else's charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Yes, and i questioned your evidence kind sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
The lynches are still sorta bothering me (wuf I hope you're not messing with us and having a no-baddies game like you said you might).. night 1 Gizmo nom within 50 minutes. Even though the day ended super abruptly, personally when I saw the game had started the thread was already closed, so did the witches already have a 3 person consensus ready and sent it in?
TLR did the fingering at 1:48 PM
Wuf day1 post 7:04 PM
wuf night1 post 7:54 PM
And night 2, the boog lynch was almost comedy. He was inactive, erroneously posted during the night, then was killed. And again the night was rather quick, 4 hours.
Wuf day1 post 11:06 PM
Boog post 12:26 AM
Wuf night1 post 3:07 AM
I suppose it's possible they sent wuf a list, "here nom these people in that order if still alive" but I don't think that is it because then wuf would have posted even faster after day 2 ended. I dunno what can be learned from this, apart from the witches timezones, online time and sick sense of humor. Makes me like the JKDS lynch a bit more.
Wait, thats a serious mentality? No way.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
When has any wolf team ever done this? Would this really be the game to start? No, i dont believe you actually believe this. You're reaching in an effort to defend the inside knowledge i just caught you on.
Shit's finally getting real, awesome
inside knowledge? because I feel slightly defeated because both bikes and TLR took it upon themselves to finger people and put our team in a huge hole in under 24 hours?
Oh yeah
drown JKDS
I can see the lynch JKDS logic. But I don't think its as strong as the luco evidence. Either would test my hypothesis though so I'm not against it. Glad we're finally getting some quality discussion though.
I always hate it when I have to agree with the guy I just bolded.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
I'm on the same page as rong, but do we have a back up plan? I would think you or I are next if JKDS rolls villager
Also have to add that the last time JKDS was a wolf and he did his whole fake special role outing, he stayed cocky and detached throughout the whole thing, not like this. Fuck this.
Feeling slightly defeated is relevant how exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Its cuz im a fucking villager. lynch jymsQuote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
relevant?
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Originally Posted by JKDS
Yeah, how does spreading doom and gloom explain your inside knowledge?
The more you band me and jkds together the more convinced I am that he must be a villager.
Rong is either a smart witch or a misguided villager. I'm leaning at witch.
Will be on phone for the rest of the evening so don't expect walls of text.
Jyms, all you have posted is fluff, doom, and bolds on villager wagons without stating any reasoning that could be used to discern your role. Add into that that you seem to have inside knowledge that wolves have a 'kill list' and killed on night 1 specifically during a 1 hour period and not the 6 hours JV showed, and its pretty clear that youre a wolf.
3 votes for JKDS, might want to slow the votes down.
He's not a bad choice today, but doing things quickly is usually good for the wolves.
JV you said Pascal was a villager based on him saying something that wolves never say, what was it?
They sent in the kill in a 50 minute window, but they could have already starting discussing and agreeing on their target after TLR did his finger pointing which is 5 extra hours - I tried to find some explanation as to how this can happen so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Really? With inside info I would be this sloppy? Aer you saying I am the only one posting fluff? I'm here, posting, making myself available and having conversations. But when I look at the list of names left I don't see a lot of sloppy stupid people. Would a witch team let me post things that aren't directing conversations? Come on, you're reaching because your bolded. And if you drive a lynch to me I will guarantee the village will tell me who to finger between you and Luco when this plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
This:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
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Originally Posted by Pascal
Whoever gets lynched don't fucking finger anyone. All you're doing is ending the game more often than not. We'll have more info tomorrow so don't waste that info with your hunch.
Also I agree with hoopy, let's slow this down a bit, we have ages left in the day and only one mistake left.
Hoopy, what's your opinion on a luco lynch?
For the villagers out there I did in fact look through the post game thread last ww as I knew I'd join the next one. Look in it for a post from me asking what mvp meant.
As I stated, I didn't join just to noob it up.
Another thing, regardless of our success today, tomorrow we're gonna need all the info we can get and dead villager reads will prove useful, so lets make sure we get a good discussion going so everybody gets their thoughts out there. I know this often also helps the wolves but at 6-3 I think it will do more good than bad.
If that's in response to my accusation, it does little to explain your terminology or skill at posting. If you had said you'd played before or at least read the majority of a previous game thread I'd have thought much less of it, but as it stands your posts read like an experienced player. As I said though, this may just be you being good in which case kudos to you sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
luco u said u were going to finger someone if the wagon was about to burn you. who would you finger? the village needs to know what we're risking and if youre a villager youll be open about it
Daven's been awfully quiet. I know he said he'd take more of a back seat this time but we could use the input daven, and you proved to be more than competent last game so get your ass involved.
Hang on, he's checking with the other witches to see what would be a good pickQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Gabe, fuck that shit!!!! You're post in legitimizing his decision to jeopardize the whole game. We need to all agree not to finger for the good of the village. It's stupid to make a decision now when much more information is available tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Not decided yet. But rong had better start believing me soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Also Gabe, considering Luco's response allows any wolf on the ropes to simply threaten to take down a villagery player and therefore avoid being lynched. It's a shit way to play imo.
I'm not gonna start believing you because you threaten to lose the game for us. Although a tit-for-tat response like that does seem a more noob villager post, but it's not enough to dampen my suspicions.
It's a reasonable tactic since it's an idle threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
It's a reasonable tactic if you value self preservation above a village win.
Obviously, but as a village do we continue with a lynch under the giuse of a fingering if it's only gonna screw us? We still need to think about the rest of the village if we are going to lynch someone that will finger another.
It's why I said I would if the village told me to but I wouldn't finger shit if it bought us another day.
You think you can win from 4-3, I disagree. I've already noted how bad it is but I would do it to save the village.
If I miss then so be it.
Dude if you are a villager and miss, we lose. Counts for anyone who gets lynched today. Just die. Raw numbers, tomorrow the first villager in the thread is probably gonna point his finger with a 50% chance to hit a witch, and realistically with reads a way better chance. Much better odds than today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
The only way fingering doesn't end the game is if we hit a wolf. There is no value for the vilage as a whole to attempt two lynches today (ie a lynch and an agreed finger) as if we just lynch and don't finger we will be doing the same thing tomorrow with more info and a greater chance to randomly hit a wolf.
meh but if you know you are a villager, preserving yourself does help the village. this was the assertion TLR was making when he threw down the gauntletQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
ofc the witches can do this too to blend in since imo its not a terrible strategy. but if a witch threatens a fingering, and we know his target is bullshit (ie a likely villager), then we gain info and maybe use that to build a good witch case. if a witch gets tricky, and acts like he is gonna finger a fellow witch, then he is risking build a strong case against a member of his team
so in conclusion we all need to make it apparent we're villagers, and declaring fingering intentions is a good thing. like if all of a sudden i was about to get burned i would very likely finger jkds
Almost want to switch to luco because it seems witchier now than before. He seemed to have a great handle on the game like he was getting coached but doesn't seem to get the "village" over himself mentality.
And there's also this phenomenon of villagers quarelling. Which I think we might be seeing here and there.
Also, since I didn't comment on it yet, it does look like some of Luco's more recent posts have been as if say Rilla logged in on his account and made them. Not the content but the style. This is very weird. But the other stuff is congruent with him being a noob villager so I'm sticking with that personally.
I would finger the consensus. Probably the second choice amongst the villagers since the witches would be on my wagon if I was lynched
And finally, if it's hard to find wolves, they'll often be the ones hiding in the shadows. In this case Daven and Hoopy. In fact, it doesn't look like JKDS and Jyms are gonna be both wolves, so one of these two is almost sure to be a wolf.
I don't know who the village is!Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
I'm the only lock and while I would have taken one for the team earlier we are in endgame now, it's do or die.
Unless you all can convince me that 4-3 is winnable I don't feel like I would have a choice.
What's daven's time zone? Is he normally on this time of day?
Also, if there's 3 bolds on jkds, yet no one is finishing him off, it's incredibly likely that either jkds or a member of his wagon is a wolf (if not more than one of them).
What?? Why do you say this when I think a few of us have you as next witch behind JKDS and maybe even first witchQuote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Or none of them. Why do you assume a wolf would jump this quickly on a JKDS wagon when it could end so quickly?Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Admittedly 4-3 is extremely unlikely to result in a village win. We just need to nail a wolf today really. But that's easier said than done. It wouldn't be so bad if only villagers could finger, so we'd know that if a wolf gets fingered that the fingerer is indeed a villager. But we don't, which really weakens the fingering option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
In my head in the only lock obv
Because if no wolves are involved, that means 3 wolves are hanging around and not finishing off a villager wagon that has great momentum. Why wouldn't they do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
So apart from being too good, what exactly are the charges against me?
Ok so under your logic, me gabe or JV is a witch and JKDS isn't. SO you want to take out who then? I trust you as villager more than anyone else at this moment and I am going on one specific read, that I won't share. Pick one.
4-3: 50% to finger a witch + reads is better odds
3-2: same
2-1: same
Not good but doable, and fingering today has the chance of just ending it. It's especially bad because of the higher likelyhood that the one being lynched is going to retaliate at a villager who is doing honest detectivework instead of witches just playing it coy. There is not even a calming down period because the fingering can happen at any time.
maybe we should decide as a village to get someone to finger someone else. we choose both parties and set it up in a way where if its a megafail then we have enough info to have a shot at winning. if it works out, we clear a villager and snag a witch. we carefully and logically choose the fingerer and the fingeree, and maybe we catch a witch or 2 disagreeing with good logic, or trying to derail good rationale, and we lynch them without having to do the fingering
i havent thought of this too deeply but its fun considering
No, JKDS could be too. I said any of either him or his wagon. If it's JKDS then it's obvious why the wolves aren't closing out the day, they're hoping their wolf buddy can survive. I'm not even saying it's more likely someone on the wagon than JKDS. I'm just saying that 1 or more wolves are involved with that wagon or are that wagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Jeez, after those last two posts about village strat, maybe I am the witch?
Oh, ok, that is what I was thinking was going on. We need two village posters that aren't here and aren't witches thenQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
in the rules, why did wuf write "If a witch fingers somebody else, there will be no Night phase (unless it's another witch, but that will never happen)"
seems like it could easily happen if the right person gets cornered
/off topic