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04-28-2007, 02:56 AM
Galapogos

Re: where are you

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

running like shit lately, almost a $12k downswing now.

Yeah but you probably play 50/100NL now.
05-03-2007, 08:26 PM
Cocco_Bill

downswing over! Had some sick positive variance in the last 2 days, won about $12k or 20 buyins at 600NL in about 6000 hands.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6135/aprm3rv5.jpg
05-03-2007, 10:51 PM
TerryToma

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

downswing over! Had some sick positive variance in the last 2 days, won about $12k or 20 buyins at 600NL in about 6000 hands.

6k hands in 2 days!? wow you are rockin'.
05-14-2007, 11:44 PM
Cocco_Bill

#Brag warning#

I am playing a points race for a WSOP main event ticket so I am putting in shitload of hands this month.

Today I had my best day so far in my pokercareer and am starting to feel quite comfortable at 1000NL.

These results kind of feel unreal at the moment, now if I can just keep it up the rest of the month...

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/112/14majoe4.jpg

Below is a graph of May so far.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5231/mayii6.jpg
05-15-2007, 12:12 AM
zook

Not a bad day. Or fourteen days. :shock:

Congrats.

edit: Holy motherfucking shit.
05-15-2007, 12:31 AM
storman99

wow nice job.
do you think playing a smaller site is easier then the bigger ones.
05-15-2007, 12:41 AM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by storman99

wow nice job.
do you think playing a smaller site is easier then the bigger ones.

Its not a small site, its part of one of the biggest poker networks. At prime time it has about 20 NL1000 tables running.
05-15-2007, 01:13 AM
Cocco_Bill

hand of the day http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4396
05-15-2007, 02:04 AM
silu73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

hand of the day http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4396

When I do this shit I never win :cry:
05-15-2007, 08:26 AM
givememyleg

You'd think after winning so much money cocco would figure out how to post screen shots correctly. :D

Sick and amazing as always.
05-15-2007, 12:17 PM
jyms

Teach me?? I'm serious. My PM is at the bottom of the page.
05-15-2007, 04:14 PM
TerryToma

omg. very jealous.
05-16-2007, 06:27 AM
andr3w321

How many tables are you playing at a time usually and does this vary with what stakes you are playing?
05-16-2007, 09:12 AM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by andr3w321

How many tables are you playing at a time usually and does this vary with what stakes you are playing?

This month due to the WSOP points race I've been playing 6-7 tables at a time mixing 500NL 600nl 800nl and 1000nl depending on where I can find fishy tables. I seem to be losing the race though:( well at least I'll get a consolation prize of $4000 + RB.
05-16-2007, 03:42 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by andr3w321

How many tables are you playing at a time usually and does this vary with what stakes you are playing?

This month due to the WSOP points race I've been playing 6-7 tables at a time mixing 500NL 600nl 800nl and 1000nl depending on where I can find fishy tables. I seem to be losing the race though:( well at least I'll get a consolation prize of $4000 + RB.

this still nordicbet on prima?

Also, it'd be nice to see gabes and other highstakes ballas graphs in comparison to coco's
05-19-2007, 11:35 PM
Cocco_Bill

Only playing about 4 hours a day again, I've given up on the race so I'll just concentrate on playing my A-game and running like a god :wink: Yesterday I took a day off for some well needed rest.
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1392/maycf4.jpg
05-20-2007, 03:53 AM
Halv

You're sick man. Also, what's up with not telling me wether asshat is a verb or not in the chat a month or so ago? :P
05-20-2007, 10:24 PM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

You're sick man. Also, what's up with not telling me wether asshat is a verb or not in the chat a month or so ago? :P

sry man I must have missed that.
05-20-2007, 11:08 PM
wufwugy

would you mind posting some examples of you being set under setted, flush under flushed, or similar hands? or do you just run that good?
05-21-2007, 12:51 AM
Cocco_Bill

Since set under set and flush under flush have occured so many times in my current database of 220k hands I just chose to search such situations for one hand 33. There is no magical way to avoid coolers, everyone gets them.

http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4607
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4608
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4609
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4610
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4611

33 is still showing a profit.
05-21-2007, 01:21 AM
wufwugy

thank you. it pleases me to see that you run normal, or at least very, very close.

and if you dont mind, i dont think it came up earlier in the thread, would you please provide a little clarification on why you think you are such a big winner? stupid question, i know.

what im getting at is: do you think it's the table selection; are you always playing against donkeys whom you know how to exploit? or are you playing against a lot of decent regulars whom you are just more motivated than and smarter than so you've figured how to exploit them via metagame? or are you pretty much robotic with your play based on hand strength/board texture/etc, yet will make not-so-standard plays due to just sensing something unusual?

basically, if you had to explain why you succeed, and explain in a way that would be revealing to your audience, what would you say?

also. do you HUD? if so, in what ways do you find it valuable?
05-21-2007, 03:26 AM
Genitruc

HUD?

COCCO DON T NEED NO STINKING HUD!

HE READS SOUUULLS, NOT STATS
05-21-2007, 04:15 AM
wufwugy

zomg
05-21-2007, 05:59 AM
Cocco_Bill

you don't exploit regulars via metagame, a shark is not easy to exploit at all since he will adapt his play to your attempts to exploit his tendensies. Then again there are tons of bad regulars who wont adapt and will allow you to slowly take money off them once you've noticed clear weaknesses in their game, studying their big hands in pokertracker will help you with that and occationally making raises or check raises you otherwise would not to get a feel how they react.

A HUD is very valuable for quickly detecting the big fish when playing many tables, against regulars a hud is quite useless.

And yeah table selection is one of the most underrated skills in poker, when a table gets bad leave immidiately and find a fishy one instead, no need to play the same stakes on all your tables.

One more thing, take detailed notes of regulars, this is especially important when you start playing somewhat high stakes where the player pool is smaller.
05-21-2007, 09:57 AM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

you don't exploit regulars via metagame, a shark is not easy to exploit at all since he will adapt his play to your attempts to exploit his tendensies. Then again there are tons of bad regulars who wont adapt and will allow you to slowly take money off them once you've noticed clear weaknesses in their game, studying their big hands in pokertracker will help you with that and occationally making raises or check raises you otherwise would not to get a feel how they react.

A HUD is very valuable for quickly detecting the big fish when playing many tables, against regulars a hud is quite useless.

And yeah table selection is one of the most underrated skills in poker, when a table gets bad leave immidiately and find a fishy one instead, no need to play the same stakes on all your tables.

One more thing, take detailed notes of regulars, this is especially important when you start playing somewhat high stakes where the player pool is smaller.

my god. I sooooo agree with everyword. Maybe i dont suck afterall.

One question thats probably been thrown a round a lot in this thread bill, is the reason you win so big the fact that you are simply that good? OR is it more the fact that you just play big games with bad players and therefore its not too tough to win big against spewy/bad players?
05-21-2007, 12:21 PM
Halv

Lemme come out and guess that it's a combination of both of those + great discipline?
05-21-2007, 04:40 PM
Miffed22001

ldo halv.

Im just wondering if coco thinks one has a big influence on how he does...
05-22-2007, 04:14 AM
Cocco_Bill

I think I win a lot because I run good, I am good at hand reading, I almost never tilt, I am a nit regarding table selection and I actively take notes to adapt to my opponents.
05-22-2007, 01:13 PM
Silly String

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

I think I win a lot because I run good, I am good at hand reading, I almost never tilt, I am a nit regarding table selection and I actively take notes to adapt to my opponents.

Wow, POTW. Read it again for emphasis everyone.
05-22-2007, 03:28 PM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

basically, if you had to explain why you succeed, and explain in a way that would be revealing to your audience, what would you say?

I think it definitely helps that he doesn't get stacked in hands like this:

http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4611

Did you have a read in this hand?? thats one sick fold... not a fold I think many ppl are capable of.
05-22-2007, 04:43 PM
Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

basically, if you had to explain why you succeed, and explain in a way that would be revealing to your audience, what would you say?

I think it definitely helps that he doesn't get stacked in hands like this:

http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4611

Did you have a read in this hand?? thats one sick fold... not a fold I think many ppl are capable of.

i remember hsi anser when i said that first time round.

'i dont beat anything'

look at the hand, at non-spew stakes its pretty straightforward to fold i guess.
05-22-2007, 08:49 PM
griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

basically, if you had to explain why you succeed, and explain in a way that would be revealing to your audience, what would you say?

I think it definitely helps that he doesn't get stacked in hands like this:

http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4611

Did you have a read in this hand?? thats one sick fold... not a fold I think many ppl are capable of.

i remember hsi anser when i said that first time round.

'i dont beat anything'

look at the hand, at non-spew stakes its pretty straightforward to fold i guess.

lol.... I guuuueeess..... still a sick fold!

Coco, would you have been more likely to call there if another player wasn't all-in? (ie: the all-in player forced the action to be legitimate, but if there wasn't an all-in player, he COULD have been bluffing?)
05-23-2007, 12:42 AM
wufwugy

woah i didnt' see he folded that first time round.

he had to think villian couldn't do that with J2, 52, 32. looks like a loose table, if so pf those hands aren't too unlikely.
05-23-2007, 12:46 AM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

woah i didnt' see he folded that first time round.

he had to think villian couldn't do that with J2, 52, 32. looks like a loose table, if so pf those hands aren't too unlikely.

Villain was tight and predictable, he wasn't playing a raised pot with 32 52 or J2, trust me.
05-23-2007, 01:17 AM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

Coco, would you have been more likely to call there if another player wasn't all-in? (ie: the all-in player forced the action to be legitimate, but if there wasn't an all-in player, he COULD have been bluffing?)

Yeah that certaintly influenced my decision to fold. It was just so unlikely that he was bluffing here.
05-23-2007, 03:54 AM
Jager

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

One more thing, take detailed notes of regulars, this is especially important when you start playing somewhat high stakes where the player pool is smaller.

If you could be so kind as to give us a few pointers on note taking and what some of your player notes look like?
06-04-2007, 08:06 PM
Cocco_Bill

Jager, just make notes which help you to remember how they play. My notes could be something like ' f ' (fish) or ' folds too often to 3-bets from blinds when opening from button' or 'limp raised AK UTG' anything that you pick up is good.

I now have about 20/12 PF over my last 241k hands. Here is a full graph since November.

May was my biggest month by quite a margin but I actually wasn't running at a clearly higher winrate than my previous months I just played a lot more hands than usual. This graph illustrates that.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8050/fulldboi5.jpg
06-04-2007, 09:05 PM
andr3w321

Keep up the good work... 75k in June cocco?
06-04-2007, 09:10 PM
wufwugy

oh my fucking god.

Bill, what's standard vpip/pfr stats of the tables you select? fullring if you know em.
06-04-2007, 10:17 PM
bode

holy shit, nice going bill. I wish more HS players would do stuff like this, its just makes me want to play more and get better.
06-05-2007, 04:12 AM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

oh my fucking god.

Bill, what's standard vpip/pfr stats of the tables you select? fullring if you know em.

I really table select by looking for known whales and not overall VPIP/PFR
06-05-2007, 04:29 AM
wufwugy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

oh my fucking god.

Bill, what's standard vpip/pfr stats of the tables you select? fullring if you know em.

I really table select by looking for known whales and not overall VPIP/PFR

even when you played smaller stakes?
06-05-2007, 04:30 AM
wufwugy

even then, i'd still like to know what table selection is like on non-US sites.
06-05-2007, 11:24 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

even then, i'd still like to know what table selection is like on non-US sites.

Why does it matter wuf?

Find a table where you know where your money is going to come from, sit to their left to speed up the process, then repeat.
06-05-2007, 11:38 AM
gingerwizard

How do you know who the whales are when the player pools are so big? Like at say 50NL
06-05-2007, 09:31 PM
wufwugy

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

even then, i'd still like to know what table selection is like on non-US sites.

Why does it matter wuf?

Find a table where you know where your money is going to come from, sit to their left to speed up the process, then repeat.

it matters. if Bill's FR tables have an average vpip of 30-40% then no wonder his winrate is so nice. if it's 10-20% then we all suck at poker, and he needs to write about why.

the large majority of small stakes donkeys dont rebuy after going busto. player pools are gigantic. the large majority of regulars are decent players. the best i can do most ften is just find tables with the least amount of decent regulars and never sit to the right of a decent aggressive regular.

there are no bad players whose stats dont show it. sitting with whales or donkey is nice, but if you cant beat the regulars you cant beat teh stake.
06-05-2007, 09:34 PM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

but if you cant beat the regulars you cant beat teh stake.

I disagree 100%
06-05-2007, 09:37 PM
Halv

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

if you cant beat the regulars you cant beat teh stake.

Tell that to my entire bankroll that has been made by avoiding the regulars as best I can and beating up on the fish instead.

Edit: spenda beat me to it. That's what you get for going to the bathroom mid-posting.
06-05-2007, 10:00 PM
wufwugy

any winner makes his money off fish, but if he is a loser to the grinders then he will have a much more difficult time at higher stakes, no matter how much time he spends battling the grinders.

so i guess i phrased it wrong. but if you cant beat the regs at your stake then you will not successfully move up. a large number of fish at higher stakes are winning players at lower stakes taking shots.
06-05-2007, 10:50 PM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

any winner makes his money off fish, but if he is a loser to the grinders then he will have a much more difficult time at higher stakes, no matter how much time he spends battling the grinders.

I am +EV against most of the grinders. I'm guessing that anyone who plays loser than about 30/20 is going to lose money to me in the long run. Looking at my database I am also up against most players with 20/17/3 type of stats.

But yeah no doubt about it, most of my profits come from the fish and thats probably true for any winning player.
06-06-2007, 12:55 AM
Halv

Quote:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

so i guess i phrased it wrong. but if you cant beat the regs at your stake then you will not successfully move up.

This I can agree with, seeing as I'm not more +EV at 3/6 than at 2/4 (and might in fact not be +EV at all yet).
06-06-2007, 01:01 AM
bigspenda73

I still disagree.

If you breakeven with the regs you will move up from the dead money provided by the fish.
06-06-2007, 01:08 AM
Halv

He's not talking about the regs at your current level, but the ones on the next level. If you break even with the regs at say 400NL then there might not be enough fish at 600NL to feed both you and the regulars at that level.
06-06-2007, 01:18 AM
Harry

Breakeven vs good regs isn't that easy.
06-06-2007, 09:07 AM
Kauf Jr.

Hi Bill, very impressive results!

I noticed that you limp/call all your PPs (33 hands), I wonder which hands you balance this with SCs? maybe even some broadways?
06-06-2007, 09:26 AM
Genitruc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kauf Jr.

Hi Bill, very impressive results!

I noticed that you limp/call all your PPs (33 hands), I wonder which hands you balance this with SCs? maybe even some broadways?

I think he balances it by playing bad players
06-06-2007, 06:01 PM
Kauf Jr.

When Bill is playing 20/10 he must be open limping other hands than PPs, I play the same network Bill does and I find that standard 18/16 tag tend to be very spewy. So I have been working on a more passive approach, and Bills style inspires me.

So I would really like to hear some of Bills thoughts on open limping with PPs and SCs, and calling behind limpers with these hands. TY
06-07-2007, 11:23 AM
Halv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry

Breakeven vs good regs isn't that easy.

Hear that. In addition to probable skill advantages they tend to have position on me more often than not, because I usually don't sit if I can't get the big fish one or two seats to my right.
06-07-2007, 11:38 AM
IowaSkinsFan

You could concievably balance open limping only pp's with bluffing on a shitload of flops with low cards.
06-07-2007, 04:34 PM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry

Breakeven vs good regs isn't that easy.

Hear that. In addition to probable skill advantages they tend to have position on me more often than not, because I usually don't sit if I can't get the big fish one or two seats to my right.

This is one of the best points I have heard in some time and I have never thought about this. If we are always getting position on the fish we will tend to struggle against the regs who sin on our left.
06-20-2007, 06:29 AM
andr3w321

Update Cocco? I don't want this thread to die.
06-22-2007, 02:58 PM
Toadstool

20 games running at prime time! at 5/10? is that on the prima network?
Do you know how those games compare to the iPoker networks games in terms of softness?
06-26-2007, 10:11 PM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by andr3w321

Update Cocco? I don't want this thread to die.

not playing much this month again, enjoying the swedish summer and spending time with friends and family whom I havent seen in a long time.

Here's what my month looks like so far
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1263/junevn2.png
Shot at 2007-06-26
06-26-2007, 10:17 PM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadstool

20 games running at prime time! at 5/10? is that on the prima network?
Do you know how those games compare to the iPoker networks games in terms of softness?

never played on ipoker, all i know is from one of my friends who is a heads up specialist who says that the 10-20 games have a lot of random donks taking shots.
07-30-2007, 02:05 PM
Cocco_Bill

Just hit 300k hands played since November.
Still playing quite tight and with a low aggression factor, but whatever it works for me. Probably running above expectation in 500 and 600nl and below expectation in 1000nl.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3050/300kym1.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9428/300k2rx5.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9273/300kposlg4.jpg
08-01-2007, 07:48 AM
ville18

sweeeeeet mother of god.. this is the only thread i come back here anymore...

i envy u so much, i can't understand how u can pwn the game ridic good with so passive play
08-01-2007, 01:11 PM
martindcx1e

::chanting:: Video! Video! Video!
08-01-2007, 01:56 PM
ville18

I'd kill for a video... i just dont fkin get it... Do u coach, id love to buy few hours (I play 200 atm, was up to 400 but had to withdraw almost half of my roll and didnt run that good up there either)?
09-22-2007, 09:28 PM
Cocco_Bill

Some hands from tonight..
Hands vs greatest ubermaniac known to man(80/60/16)
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/11103
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/11106
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/11102
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/11104(this one is sick)
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/11108
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/11107

hand vs Halvsame nh :)
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/11109
09-22-2007, 09:30 PM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by ville18

I'd kill for a video... i just dont fkin get it... Do u coach, id love to buy few hours (I play 200 atm, was up to 400 but had to withdraw almost half of my roll and didnt run that good up there either)?

thanks for the compliments :D I think i'd make a terrible coach though, I'm just too bad at articulating my thoughts in real time. Also i don't really have time for it.
09-22-2007, 09:47 PM
Cocco_Bill

bad day good month.

I'm glad I've had the discipline to get in many hands unlike previous months.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3415/sephl4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3...a269863a41.jpg
09-22-2007, 09:55 PM
Halv

You finally responded to my chat today, :h:!

That KQ AI pre hand had me scratching my head even though he was crazee. I think I ran 5VPIP/0PFR on that table for the 40 or so hands I sat.. sooooooooo frustrating to not get a hand vs those guys, had them both on my left and all.
09-22-2007, 10:00 PM
Cocco_Bill

I tend to not notice the chat while multitabling browsing the internet and chatting with people, no disrespect intended.
09-22-2007, 11:07 PM
Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

That KQ AI pre hand had me scratching my head even though he was crazee.

why? It was without a doubt a +EV play against this player, perhaps not the optimal play though.
09-22-2007, 11:22 PM
Halv

It's just your preflop stats that tricked me, I'm a hudbot :).

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