Sep 2015 Werewolf - Game thread

It does give me pause that both Ong and Gabe are on high-Gator alert. I just realized I never villaged against Gator's wolf game except for the anon game where I got modkilled early on D1.

Hoopy:

anything to share with the class?

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

Ok, I see where MMM outed in the first post in the sign up thread.

I've got to go to bed, I've got the get up in about 6 hours. I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow night and get my spreadsheet going.

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I'm expecting some colour coding, last game you didn't have your usual analysis and were wolfing.

Any info on how kami, Cory, SIU play?

To JKDS: Look at these posts, and click through to see context. First quote is in response to SIU. Second group is responding seemingly as he reads. Hard for a wolf who allegedly hasn't played many forum games to fake these reactions.

Also, what wolf says things like "Mindmeld."

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Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace

Ugh I don't know what it is but it just does not feel right here. It's like his posts are trying to be villagery but he's got a cheating wife on his mind

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Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace

Gator/baudib interaction there is not out of the w/w ballpark. Especially once gator casted that vote on siu



This was so perfectly posted. Ong noticed something as well. Mindmeld

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

I'm expecting some colour coding, last game you didn't have your usual analysis and were wolfing.

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To be fair the voting last game was unusual and harder to graph.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Hoopy:

anything to share with the class?

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Having played against GatorWolf several times, it's fine to be paranoid about him.

Dude is the best wolf on this site.

that's not exactly a #hottake

what do you think of the game so far?

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

rascal and wuf are using irl excuses for their lack of content, albeit wuf stated prior to the game (which is a solid strat even if irl is not busy). Anyways, both are > rando wolf.

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I don't think wuf would straight up lie about being busy, didn't he say that he hated the inactive wolf strat with a passion? Doesn't fit with how he sees the game.

I don't know how I missed that snippet from BID but that's a pretty AIDS post.

nice job Hoopy

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

I'm expecting some colour coding, last game you didn't have your usual analysis and were wolfing.

Any info on how kami, Cory, SIU play?

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Last game was different because of the multiple voting which messed me up some. This is a normal game as far add that's concerned so I will have my normal analysis and I'll try and get you some colors, but normally I'll only be posting late in the evening when I get to the hotel after work. Right now, I'm waiting on a plane so I'll do a but of phone posting.

Kami is a but of a wildcard IMO. Other than one long game on MU, I think I've only played turbos with her. In that game she was a vanilla villager that fake peeked me would when I was the seer. It caused two days of havoc and the wolves were able to vanillaize me. I don't have fond memories kid that game. Baudib was in it and referenced it earlier.

SIU, I only remember from turbos and that's been a while back, so I don't have much to go on about him in a long game.

Cory, my other "son" is a great player in either role, but he had a tendency to read me as wolf when I'm villa.

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Originally Posted by baudib

that's not exactly a #hottake

what do you think of the game so far?

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A what?

I think Ong jumping on Gator for 'traitor' instead of 'tailor' is a big reach, I don't think Ong actually believes he's got a wolf.

Gator would probably not put 3 errors in a post if trying to be derpcleared. 1 is enough.

Monkey is slightly defensive vs JKDS, if he goes back to hunting though I'm not worried.

It's good to have more new people playing.

That's it atm. I'm still recovering from my first MU game.

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Originally Posted by baudib

To JKDS: Look at these posts, and click through to see context. First quote is in response to SIU. Second group is responding seemingly as he reads. Hard for a wolf who allegedly hasn't played many forum games to fake these reactions.

Also, what wolf says things like "Mindmeld."

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I've seen the term "mindmeld" used before in both roles, especially in turbos. That may give us an indicator of who SuperMonkey might be. I'd have to go look at done turbos to see who theirs that term around.

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

A what?

I think Ong jumping on Gator for 'traitor' instead of 'tailor' is a big reach, I don't think Ong actually believes he's got a wolf.

Gator would probably not put 3 errors in a post if trying to be derpcleared. 1 is enough.

Monkey is slightly defensive vs JKDS, if he goes back to hunting though I'm not worried.

It's good to have more new people playing.

That's it atm. I'm still recovering from my first MU game.

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Does gator normally try for a derp clear? He had 2 or 3 posts like that last game which seemed odd based on what you'll have told me about him.

What's bothering me the most this game is the lack of Baudib/Ong fireworks.

They've either learned from past mistakes in this regard (which would be good but unlikely IMO) our one or both then is a wolf.

Our = or

(I don't like phone posting)

Rascal you're slightly sketching me out.

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Originally Posted by Cory

rascal are you wolfing on me

you can tell me the truth

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Nope, what about you?

This is Cory's standard start of interaction with me no matter what his role is.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Rascal you're slightly sketching me out.

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Why is that? My participation is going to be limited like last game. Right now, I'm sitting in an airport trying to do some catching up before I get on a cross country flight.

As I said last night, I plan to get my spreadsheets together tonight and read more in depth. So far, this is going faster than a normal FTR game, so i thought I'd give my comments for now and get some interaction in.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I want to trust the nice avatar's read on ship.

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This does not look like a standard Ong post. It just seems of to me. Maybe it's the new players in the mix, but Ong usually just Ong's.

Getting on the plane now. I'll catch up this evening when I'm on a computer rather than my phone.

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

Why is that? My participation is going to be limited like last game. Right now, I'm sitting in an airport trying to do some catching up before I get on a cross country flight.

As I said last night, I plan to get my spreadsheets together tonight and read more in depth. So far, this is going faster than a normal FTR game, so i thought I'd give my comments for now and get some interaction in.

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Highlighted is appropriate response. The rest? I'm not sketched out because you're busy IRL.

rascal

He a wolfy soab

Also baudib ship says mindmd of as a wolf all the time to pocket people

He a sketchy soab

He likes to suck up tbh

Or maybe just to me idk

I swear baudib just automatically votes for whoever votes for him. He really has a hard time understanding why town would think he's wolfy.

I like gabe, the "ong is wolfy, no he's not" line makes very little sense from a wolf pov. gabe has no problem as wolf attacking me, I don't expect him to posture himself to wolfread me then back off before I even reply. Town.

OK, 5 posts, 5 pages, let's go.

pg 1. Cory has a villagery entrance. Bauddib seems engaged

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

Do you really think if I was the tailor I would draw that much attention to myself? Sheesh.

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This is a wolfy post. Lame excuse that makes no sense. The tailor/traitor argument didn't really make much sense to me either. Maybe why I find this response wo wolfy, because it should just be 'lolwut'

I'm not sure that I am actually restricted to 5 posts, though. We shall see.

pg. 2 Super Monkey seems eager,so slight vill lean. Gator continues to be wolfy.

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Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace

What would be the point of making that as a wolf? What drives someone to want to fake a post like that? Of all things.

For a villager, what's the sole purpose? To lead the village to hunt for the impossible? Or to just say "hey this is probably a good idea once we have some hard info"?

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In general, wolves often like to talk about mechanics, though bauddib specifically doesnt seem wolfy this game.

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Originally Posted by Kami

hul

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What does this mean?

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Originally Posted by baudib

yeah, I'd like to know why Wuf is lynching him though.

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I thought it was for lack of avatar. I don't think joke votes are necessarily wolfy unless they stick.

This multi-quote thing is crazy.

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Originally Posted by baudib

No I think it's an unouted gimmick for someone from 2+2

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I might be clearing him too light then.

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Originally Posted by gabe

so far i think gator, ong, and baud are on my suspicious list.

shipitup and monkeyface seem very villager to me

monkeyface, i dont think that jkds stuff is necessarily wolfy. after just finishing a game with him, and playing with him a lot in the past, jkds is doing that stuff often has a villager

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Thought this was a wolfy post, but the follow-up was excellent.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

never bold the hoopman. the dude is unbeaten in ww. 236 and 0. he's been vig twice, killing 6 wolves in 5 shots. he was seer in a game where there was no seer. the mod was just too intimidated by the hoopman's presence that he sent him wolf peeks every night. one time the hoopman bolded a villager by accident. once.

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This might be the funniest thing you have ever said.

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Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace

I can't get over that dismissal of 4 wagons and push an entirely different 5th wagon for way less.

I just iso'd him too. He's literally done nothing in this game which makes this point ^ even stronger. And way wolfier.

Lynch JKDS

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He does that all the time, gets lynched early, and ends up being villager more often than not.

Sorry Hul is a secret

Not sure how games here usually run, but this still feels like very early stages to me. Lots of people I don't have a read on yet. I like gabe, baudib, monkey. Cory dropped off a bit.

Would lynch gator.

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Originally Posted by Kami

Sorry Hul is a secret

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stop saying it then?

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Originally Posted by baudib

Here's how I see the early game AORN

Extremely game-solvey in ways that wolves are unlikely to act: Cory....

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Are you kidding me? His only post of any meaningful "game solvey" content was where he basically parroted one of your posts. This is not villager Baudib.

lynch baudib and if he flips wolf we need to take a hard look at cory.

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Originally Posted by Evene

Not sure how games here usually run, but this still feels like very early stages to me. Lots of people I don't have a read on yet. I like gabe, baudib, monkey. Cory dropped off a bit.

Would lynch gator.

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Why? What differentiates my posts from most of the other's at this point? Give me some examples to show you aren't just jumping on a bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by Evene

OK, 5 posts, 5 pages, let's go.

pg 1. Cory has a villagery entrance.

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Here is another one that I just don't see. Why all the love for Cory? He is more bigred (minus the lolcats) than Gabe if you ask me.

Rascal I don't think I read you poorly in general, I'm not 100% but it hurts to hear "he reads me wrong". I would say I am right about your alignment > 80% of the time

And yes I am a villager

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

Here is another one that I just don't see. Why all the love for Cory? He is more bigred (minus the lolcats) than Gabe if you ask me.

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What you fail to understand is that this isn't even my final form

Conclusion: gabe is weird but maybe a villager?

rilla

Dk how I feel about Evene's catchup. I have never actually played with her regardless of her origin

Baudib does seem to be clearing me mildly lightly - I have seen him far more paranoid of me before as a villager - or maybe he's just figured out my tells. Trying to not overthink it, don't think it's a big indicator of his alignment and he's been villagery enough otherwise that he's not on my lunch table today

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player (votes) || who's voting for them

baudib (4) || SIU, bid, gabe, gator
Gator (1) || Evene
ong (1) || wuf
rascal (1) || Kami
SMF (1) || JKDS
wuf (1) || ong
JKDS (1) || SMF
Gabe (1) || Baudib
Rilla (1) || Cory

no vote (3) || Hoopy, rascal, rilla

8 to lynch. Please notify me if you spot an error in the VC. Day 1 ends in about 49 hours.

(My dealer sold me some shoes. I dunno what he laced them with but I've been tripping all day...)

Wow that's a lot of votes for babidi

Hul

I will make ship get his vote off baudib dw

Who we lunching Kami

haha a d1 baudib wagon that I'm not driving.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I don't like ANY of you reads. I mean, there aren't many times when I fully comprehend how your process works, but this is mostly a straightforward case of you A. misinterpreting the simplest information and/or B. not understanding meta between other players.

I can elaborate if you'd like but it'd probably be a waste of time. Only wolves think about wolf roles? Really? How often do we even have wolf roles? Something potentially game breaking like a tailor/godfather maker merits serious discussion.

Gun to my head, I'd say you're a villager more often than Gator, but it's close.

What exactly do you not like about Ong?

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re: first paragraph. both A and B are just words coming from you. you didnt try to convince me of anything. why does your game look so different this game compared to last...

re:second paragraph. "elaborate if you'd like" gives you more wolfy points. and yea the wolfy role thing i said is very true. you said, on the 10 post into the game, that YOU HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE TAILOR ROLE FOR AN HOUR!! that is very very wolfy. obv the tailor is going to fuck with the villagers a lot later in the game. i was planning on just dealing with it whenever stuff comes up. but you are spending significant time (at least in hour only 10 posts into the thread) thinking about how the tailor should operate. also wtf is up with your closing sentence in that same post?:

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Originally Posted by baudib

I've been thinking about this for the past hour or so.

It'd be nice if we can nail the tailor really early.

This is gonna be a wolf who is worth preserving for the wolf team obviously, with full bussing rights. Reading deep into interactions will be key.

This could mess with village strategies in a big way, but I'd rather not talk about that for now.

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also i said i backed off ong. i'm not making a case for him today.

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Originally Posted by baudib

for instance this post by SIU is largely true but an extreme overreaction to a pretty simple point:

Ship is slightly more likely to post in this fashion as a wolf than a villager.

When someone says, "I do this in both roles" or "it's role-neutral" etc., this is also a pretty big red flag and often isn't true.

SIU did in fact post entirely in this manner for a whole game, as a wolf, and he hasn't done that as a villager. Thus, starting the game like that isn't a good sign, because it's not his normal opening. As for the times I had "copied" his style, I was a wolf 60% of the time (3 of 5).

Anyway, SIU is on the back burner until he and Kami talk ITT.

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did you miss the post where i said i wasn't going to use other's peoples reads on the new people? telling me "SIU has acted this way as a wolf!" means 0 to me. i'm not using that

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

haha a d1 baudib wagon that I'm not driving.

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i've been able to work fine with him a few games in a row but this game feels so different. i know you are not the guy to ask since you cant help finding him wolfy but... dont yall think its a different baudib vibe ?

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Originally Posted by Cory

Conclusion: gabe is weird but maybe a villager?

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my avatar could beat up your avatar buddy!!

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Originally Posted by Cory

Wow that's a lot of votes for babidi

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Originally Posted by Cory

Who we lunching Kami

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Gentle nudges to move from Baudib?

"Gentle" seems like a hilariously poor word choice

Why are we holding Gator in some sort of deference? Seems like a scrub. Only time I saw him play he got lynched as a villager at must lynch for being a slimey soab

Is he good or something

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Originally Posted by gabe

i've been able to work fine with him a few games in a row but this game feels so different. i know you are not the guy to ask since you cant help finding him wolfy but... dont yall think its a different baudib vibe ?

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I have no intention of actually trying to form a read on him today. It's a different me this game, why isn't that a concern for you?

Same could be asked of baudib to be fair. baudib thinks I'm villager already? Why? This is a complete contrast to last game.

It's odd that both gabe and baudib have me as town already.

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

A what?

Monkey is slightly defensive vs JKDS, if he goes back to hunting though I'm not worried.

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Originally Posted by Hoopy

I'm expecting some colour coding, last game you didn't have your usual analysis and were wolfing.

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What benefit is there in telling people their tells?

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I swear baudib just automatically votes for whoever votes for him. He really has a hard time understanding why town would think he's wolfy.

I like gabe, the "ong is wolfy, no he's not" line makes very little sense from a wolf pov. gabe has no problem as wolf attacking me, I don't expect him to posture himself to wolfread me then back off before I even reply. Town.

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I agree 100% with this, particularly the gabe paragraph.

Gabe became my fav villager last game when he busted rascal so I'm going to be very positive of him until he proves to be otherwise.

Im not lynching baudib till we have some kinda realtime chat wall. That worked for figuring him out last game, and it was next to impossible to read him before that.

I'm willing to lynch baudib purely for the amusement of it.

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Originally Posted by Evene

this still feels like very early stages to me.

Would lynch gator.

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I've got news for ya...

also, a/s/L?

I'm assuming you're a girl, due to the avatar and name but I'm not entirely sure. This makes a world of difference in me reading you appropriately.

Also I'm lonely.

No but seriously, are you a female?

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Originally Posted by Cory

Baudib does seem to be clearing me mildly lightly - I have seen him far more paranoid of me before as a villager - or maybe he's just figured out my tells. Trying to not overthink it, don't think it's a big indicator of his alignment and he's been villagery enough otherwise that he's not on my lunch table today

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Am I the only one who reads this post as extremely wishy washy?

Wolfy lean

It's probably just you

Because you're bad

Now are we gonna keep sucking our own dicks for another day or are we gonna lunch some woofs

Cory's last two posts lack substance.

Wolf lean.

Cory possibly the new bigred, hopefully not

If my vote wasn't on baudib, it'd be on Cory.

Obviously I think I read baudib better, as cory is new.

List of people who are not very likely voting a wolf aorn: SIU, bid, gabe, gator, Evene, wuf, baudib, hoopy, rascal, rilla

There's too many urkels on my team aorn

What is aorn?

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Cory's last two posts lack substance.

Wolf lean.

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I'm on my phone at work

Will not be on a laptop until 5

Play better or GTFO

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

What is aorn?

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As of right now

Afaict you are voting baudib... Because he's trying? Because it's amusing?

I don't think he's a wolf and I'm not sure half his trains even thinks so, so I'm more perplexed at everyone's hilarious WIL than anything else

Do you want to win this game or not? If you don't and you are a villager, fine, just sheep whoever I vote and don't lynch the people I tell you not to and we'll be okay

Or we could just lynch people for lols and let the wolves ~laugh it off

If that's how FTR plays werewolf

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Originally Posted by Cory

I'm on my phone at work

Play better or GTFO

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I've only played on my phone this game and yet am destroying you in quality/quantity.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I'm willing to lynch baudib purely for the amusement of it.

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Like i would GUESS ong is a villager but this is clearly terrible

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I've only played on my phone this game and yet am destroying you in quality/quantity.

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i bet you that if you are a villager my reads wi be vastly superior and i'm even out of my element here

Playing this beautiful game is more than showing your tits and ass over and over again like a circus clown stripper

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Originally Posted by Cory

rilla

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As far as I can tell, this is the only time Cory mentions rilla. Which is hilarious considering he thinks people have provided shit reasons to lynch baudib.

Shit reasons > no reasons

So far you have me and baud as wolves afaict?

Think you're 0/2 champ

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Originally Posted by Cory

Who we lunching Kami

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I haven't decided yet tbh!

Rascal most likely tho

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

As far as I can tell, this is the only time Cory mentions rilla. Which is hilarious considering he thinks people have provided shit reasons to lynch baudib.

Shit reasons > no reasons

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So you're just bad at the game

Understood. Will keep in mind and work around your incompetence

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Originally Posted by Kami

I haven't decided yet tbh!

Rascal most likely tho

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Worried about his "cory reads me wolf as a villager" bit because its dishonest and a potential excuse if he's a wolf and i peg him correctly

Ears are open

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Am I the only one who reads this post as extremely wishy washy?

Wolfy lean

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Agreed. I just chose Baudib because I felt bad about lynching a new player on day 1.

I could definitely be convinced to lynch Cory.

Come @ me

I don't use logic I use soul reads bub

We aren't lunching Cory lol

Bitches if you're gonna threaten to vote me ball the fuck up and put your vote down

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Originally Posted by Kami

I don't use logic I use soul reads bub

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The true secret of werewolf is

Correct reads > incorrect reads

Kami gets it

Gator seems awfully excusey tho

Why the fook would town need to defend their posts and thoughts

Great. We have another "I'm right and if you disagree you are an idiot" type of player.

Does anyone think a wolf would be this abrasive with a bunch of people he's never played with before on their home turf?

I just ignore criticism as a town
Cause who cares tbh

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

Great. We have another "I'm right and if you disagree you are an idiot" type of player.

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Yep that's us

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Originally Posted by Kami

Gator seems awfully excusey tho

Why the fook would town need to defend their posts and thoughts

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Maybe because only the wolves know who is town and who isn't.

Ur all bakas baudib and Cory are innocent flowers


Ship possible weed tho so go ahead at him

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

Maybe because only the wolves know who is town and who isn't.

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This post makes no sense bub

kami and cory both seem too in your face to be wolves. ship and eve, those two noobs might need a closer look at.

gator


Get rekt wolf

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Originally Posted by Cory

The true secret of werewolf is

Correct reads > incorrect reads

Kami gets it

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I'm always right it's just a true fact

I have to work now

I leave everything to my hul bub

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

kami and cory both seem too in your face to be wolves. ship and eve, those two noobs might need a closer look at.

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Im leaning this way too.