People wanting to massacre Ong just cause he shot keith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Also i did it again except this time I confused mono with jkds.
At this point I think my villagers are
Jkds
Ong
bid
And then everyone else is kinda static
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People wanting to massacre Ong just cause he shot keith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Also i did it again except this time I confused mono with jkds.
At this point I think my villagers are
Jkds
Ong
bid
And then everyone else is kinda static
Being wrong is not wolfy here either. It just feels very out of character for ong to shoot a near-confirmed villager, he's usually way less retarded than thatQuote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
To your first point, no one is a lock wolf midway thru Day 1 yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
To your second, on my forum, on Day 1, we sometimes cast votes midway through the day for one of two reasons: A) to poke and prod people for info; and B) based on the sum total of all current evidence.
If I recall, he claimed drunkeness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Oh well see i don't have really any experience villaging with any of you so I'm probably not qualified to make that read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Still from an outsider perspective I can see his motivation behind wanting to shoot keith if he's a villager
Also this time I'm NOT confusing momo with anyone and saying momo is a likely villager on this page
I guess given new evidence I would replace ong with momo on my villager list, but I'd probably leave everything else the same.
Maybe gabe can be there too we'll see how he responds later in the day.
When is lynch deadline?
Day ends 3 p.m. EST Thursday (less than 26 hours from now)
I shot Gabe d1 last gm and was strung up bucknekid for misfiring a strong villager. I was V but nobody cared. I won't do the same to Ong just cuz I dislike his judgement. My lynch goes to wolf behavior, not bad play.
While rereading, I thought I'd note I didn't like this post but not because you're voting me but because you were just sponging someone you said was a "lock clear villager"Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Though I suppose as I'm posting this i'm actually beginning to think you're a villager since my initial gut reaction was exactly the same.
No, you can stay on my villager list.
I also agree that page 2 looks objectively good for daven.
i dont think we can compare what keybored did and what ong did
keith was a wolf much less than average. he wouldnt just spite his wolf team. ong spewed MEGA HARD here. and he got crazy defensive about it
lynch ong
seems like a fine place to start. and im skeptical of anyone defending ong
Of course I got defensive. I did something no sane wolf would do with a dayvig... kill a suspected vanilla... and people respond by giving me shit for it.
Anyone who actually thinks a wolf with a dayvig takes out keith in that spot is stupid. He was obviously not the seer, I even said so before I decided to shoot him. If I'm a wolf, then I'd either use my dayvig for parity, or to hunt specials. Obviously. As villager, I use it to remove problems. That's why the night vig should deal with me. He knows he's not shooting the seer, and he's removing a problem.
Where the fuck are rong, jkds and boog? There's a wolf keeping his nose clean in that group. Why no interest now there's real shit to talk about?
I still dont get why keith felt like a problem to you
Keith gets shot in the dome piece:
FWIW, he never explicitly said "Keith is a V," but goes the "I told you so," route anyway. Trying to get V points, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
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Originally Posted by Keybored
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Originally Posted by monstrman
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Originally Posted by monstrman
Monstrman is gonna be hard to read come endgame. He's confusing "MoMo" and Ong regularly. I wouldn't mind lynching him to get rid of deadweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
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Originally Posted by monstrman
Keybored seems to think everyone and their mother is a villager. Playing it a little safely, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Rescind JKDS, lynch Keybored here. His playing it too safely bothers me. If he's a villager, he won't add much since he thinks everyone else is a damn villager anyway.
I can also go for monstrman as he'll be a pain in my ass to read later.
4:07 pm yesterday = Keith self lynched
4:45-5:30 = Ong bickers about with BID
5:35 = Wuf comes alive
6:15 = Monstr comes alive
8:30 = Ong's DayVig shot
8:55 = Wuf/Monstr go away
9:04 = Keith killed by Baud
9:09 = Ong goes away
The thread was pretty much dominated by Ong/Wuf/Monstr from ~5:30-9:00, during which, Ong does the DayVig. Then Baud announces and all goes silent. BID was oot/aboot there too but he lives on this thread.
Point is, my nut hairs tingle when something significant happens when three ppl have taken over the thread for a few hours.
Collusion?
or
Coincidence?
Because he had either virtually cleared himself by unfair means, or was a wolf/SK angle shooting. I have a problem with both.
I can understand why people are annoyed with me. I did the wolves a favour. But I also did the game a favour, or at least that's how I see it.
I'm the kind of person who loves it when my calender for the following week is empty. I'm a low responsibilities kind of guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Soulreading wolves 36 hours into the game is fun but futile. Identifying known villager behavior is much easier and more credible. Statistically, ppl are villagers a helluva lot more than wolves; thus, there's more historical data to work with. Also, a person's wolfish behavior tends to change from game to game. Villager patterns rarely change. I'm using process of elimination versus soulreading.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
I've got 5 solid villagers in my camp. This makes finding the wolves amid the remainder easier to focus on. I'm not playing safe, I'm playing smart. Voting to lynch someone due to perceived "ass pain" or conservatism is reckless and hazardous to the village. I challenge you, BooG to look for wolves and not take the lazy road. We've already lost a villager today. D1 lynch is obv more important now.
ong is not a wolf. if he was, he would know that it is important to save the dayvig shot for parity or a seer candidate. this knowledge would override any idea to make himself look villagery by shooting keith
keith was not a terrible shot. the worst of it is that dayvig should be saved for parity. other than that, keith was not a cleared villager because the op writeup explicitly stated that modkills would be avoided. keith has been wolf lots lately and might have been burned out, and that would have been a super savvy move to get his wolfrole subbed with huge vilcred. you'll notice that my flip flop on him came after i saw this.
ong's logic for why keith needed to die is quite similar to the same a few days ago when mmm needed to die. players can only have so many asterisks by their names. whether or not the "needed" to die is accurate is a different debate. but it is a thought process that ong uses
i have little preference other than rong lynch. he told us the best move is to kill him d1 during postgame. and, uh, he's right. granted, that's a shitty policy to have, but it's the policy i'll have until something changes
^^ a few games ago not days ago
Agreed that monstrman needs to pull his head out of his ass when talking about people.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
These mix-ups make him a solid candidate for votes... but for now I still read him as V.
On the plus side, IF monstrman flips W before ong dies, then it clears ong from my perspective.
No way a wolf keeps confusing a buddy and a vil (me).
He did it later with me and ... JKDS ... I think?.. but second screw up would be intentional, so read-proof.
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How many asterisks does his dayvig shot earn?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
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Luco: Why are you NOT in the bottom group of posters, and yet I have no read on you?
Rong: Why you think wuf is the best place for your vote at this time?
daven, hoopy, luco, wuf: cast a vote FFS.
I'm trying to wrap my head around Ong's play.
keith would not self lynch as a wolf, there's no benefit at all to his team. So really the only thing he could have been was a frustrated regular villager.
baudib choosing to sub him rather than kill gave us a confirmed VV. Good for the village because it forces the wolves to waste a kill on him at some point.
Why would villager Ong shoot him knowing this? Then again why would wolf Ong use the power now when it has way more impact later in the game?
Either way seems FPS is present.
Luco prior to post 90 is all fun and games.
Luco from 90 - 180 is ong ong ong. Then a rescind on ong when ong gets attention.
If ong flips W, luco is goin' down.
Feels like a wolf trying to be very tricky atm.
lynch Ong
i thought i was on rong
doesnt matter now. i may have a couple tells on teh hoopster that he dropped just now
lynch hoops
I think if keith was approaching WW burnout he just wouldn't play the game period.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
burnout on wolfing, not villingQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
I'm with wuf, hoopy is wolfy. It's taken hoopy some time to decide I'm a wolf for killing keith, it feels like he was waiting to see how much momentum is against me before deciding which side of the fence to sit on. Gabe otoh feels a lot more sincere with his vote on me. I feel like hoopy has reacted to gabe's vote and feels the time is right to jump on board.
lynch hoopy
boog is fishy too, he avoids committing himself to a read on me, which could also be him waiting to see if I emerge as a lock villager or a potential mislynch.
I'm curious though wuf, how the hell do you have tells on hoopy? That's like having tells on you. I can't remember hoopy being wolf. I'm sure he has been but I couldn't tell you when, let alone recall his tendancies.
I partly mean something I've seen wolves do a bit in the past, and I partly mean something that it looks like Hoopy wouldn't normally do.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I could be wrong, just a feeling
Well it's a feeling I share, I was just curious why you call it a tell, rather than a read. I suppose it's just semntics.
Ong, you self-centered sonuvabitch. You don't change. I like how I'm fishy because I didn't mention you. You're a non-factor right now, in my eyes. I probably would've shot Keith in the face if I were in your shoes as well. It seems obvious to me that the Keith shot was more of an emotional "seriously Keith?" shot than having anything to do with logic. So, yeah, my read is that you're a villager. Being a wolf and shooting Keith with a shot is too FPS for day 1. You'd probably save the FPS for later.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by Keybored
Soulreading wolves 36 hours into the game is fun but futile yet you challenge me to stop being lazy and look for wolves? Did you miss the spiel that I went on accusing yourself and monstrman of being fishy? Did you choose to ignore that to paint me as lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
You're playing smart? How so? You hunting villagers? Is that the game you're playing? I think you missed the point of the game. The point is to win the game, not to point out that you think everyone is a villager. You're not playing smart. You're playing cozy politics hoping not to rub anyone the wrong way. I was a new wolf once. I thought that was the best move. You're now a new wolf making the same mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Actually, you know what? I challenge you, Keybored, to look for wolves and not take the lazy road. Who do you think is a wolf? Why do you think they are wolves?
Baudib stated that we are not to discuss mod decisions. unfortunately, I am not allowed to give you my opinion on what your said. I would certainly like to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Before I read wuf and ong (ugh) I felt hoopy's post (which included his read on baudib) was very wolfy.
boog, fyi keybored isn't a new wolf, he mvp'd the shit out of a game with me a few games back to win as wolves after our entire team were soulread on d1. So don't underestimate his wolf game.
Boog wolfin'.
Same reason for my ong wolf read.
What, gut?Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Yes
dayvig drew
Just kidding, I only had one bullet. Bahahahaha.
Fuck off
you can't do that twice
Seriously though your gut at least half sucks.
My lynch vote rests. I've been burnt b4 putting too much out too early. I promise this tho, if the majority of all players do what you're asking, then I'll follow. For d1, I'm confident so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
@wuf and ong: Since this isn't some closely held trade secret tell on hoopy, can you elucidate your feeling at all? I'm not getting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Is it the opportunism of the timing?
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boog and ong are both right about key.
key hasn't fully landed in the V zone yet. I've gotten mostly Village vibe from key, but one hint at maybe W-ness. I'm holding a mental note, as the W-ness thing could easily be D1 related.
It's important to note that key's wolf game relied on him playing the noob card, and while he played it to perfection, it wont ever work that way again.
For my 2 cents, if keybored is reading like a noob, then he should be heavily scrutinized.
Where's bigred when you need him?
http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/...d3abf36d_m.gif
MoMo...you can't bust ballz for withholding wolf tells and then do the same...in the same post! C'mon man
PS...let's PLEASE not resort to stupid cat posts. I beg you all.
What I said was the opposite of busting balls. I basically said, "Since I'm not busting your balls to ask, what gives?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
And no, I'm not about to tell you what you did that I find questionable. It's a weak thing that has multiple explanations, and only one of them is worth skepticism. If a pattern develops, then I'll point it out to everyone and you can deal with it then. Otherwise, ask me after the game.
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I've come down on you (key) as V for the day. Everything boog has said to you is giving me a neutral to Village vibe on him.
Just because other people have offered boog their perspective on you, doesn't mean that his questions are above answering.
(He doesn't know you.)
Your interactions with boog are of great interest to me.
(I don't know him.)
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@boog: Do you have any reads other than keybored is finding villager and that looks bad to you?
What are your thoughts on the other wagons: ong (4 votes), hoopy (2 votes)
@wuf: What do you think of Luco's position on the ong wagon. I.e. he seemed to push for it until it took off, then he distanced himself, only to vaguely snuggle with the idea again?
I'm not asking you to bold. I'd just like a general idea of who you are inclined to think may be a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Well, since I haven't been around in quite some time, how have you been burned before for putting too much out too early?
Keybored pussy-footing around my question isn't helping him look any less wolfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I explained what I thought of Ong above somewhere. He's a non-factor and I don't think much into Ong's shooting of Keith. Hoopy's interjection and stating of the obvious and jumping on the easy Ong train is quite fishy.
I never considered Hoopy to be a good player though so it may just be level 1 thinking. I need him to post more for a better read.
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Originally Posted by BooG690
this is a lot of fence sitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
MoMo...I too am interested in my BooG interaction. I need more from him and am willing to spar.
BooG...Like I said, I'll divulge more when others do. And you'll have to do your own research on me if you want more. I'm not inclined to relive my past. When I want more info on someone, I dig.
Yup, always easier to share your opinions after others have. You know, take what they said and make whatever YOU want to say sound less wolfy, right? Easier to play this game with the dealer button. I get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
YOU'RE SUSPECT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cb2OQdmK4o
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-conten...ic_thunder.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
erebody luz teh hoopster
Nation treasures do not look wolfy after one post in Day 1.
^^^^
Not that hoopy has only posted once. I was referring to one post in particular.
Day ends at 3 p.m. EST tomorrow -- a little over 16 hours.
If I had a heart I could love you
If I had a voice I would sing
After the night when I wake up
I'll see what tomorrow brings
Ahhhhhhh Ahhhhhhh
Ahhhhhhh Ahhhhhhh
If I had a voice, I would sing
-- Fever RAy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZTdiPGcTiI
No homo coming from baudib obv
No worries BooG. There's more fish out there. I'm showing all the cards I'm gonna today. Plenty have revealed a fraction of what I have. I'm more interested in those folks right now. Let's flush them out...
mmm, i see nothing fishy about what luco said/did regarding ong
as for my tells on hoopy, they probably shouldnt be called that. it's just a feeling. sure he did stuff that i feel i might have a read on, but like ong said it's semantics
put it this way: im not sure i believe hoopy believes his post on ong
i won't be back on before the gameday is over.
im guessing talkless nights
boog getting a tentative village lean for the short-term.
Hoopy's timing on the rilla vote in the anon game was not remarkably dissimilar to his timing here, IIRC.
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This post from rong, has me suspicious:
(bold removed)Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
His finger pointing at ong for the dayvig, but his vote going on wuf for some wishy washy reason.
"Tonight, I drink with my sons in Valhalla."
Ong 4
Keybored 2
Hoopy 2
JKDS 1
BID 1
Wuf 1
Player - latest vote
Dhubermex -- BID
BID -- Ong
JKDS -- Keybored
Keybored -- JKDS
Rong -- Wuf
MMM - Ong
Boog -- Keybored
Luco -- rescind
Gabe -- Ong
Hoopy - Ong
Wuf -- Hoopy
Ong- Hoopy
No vote: Daven, Monstrman
I guess whomever has the 3x vote, wins.
Keith, will you or someone else please fucking delete my foot in the mouth sig?
I feel like I'm not helping. On the other hand - I don't give a fuck. I'll try me best, I really will. But fuck me. I'm not going to bust my balls over this.
You know what would really help? Is if the mod gives the total vote count. God forbit, right? Obv it should happen. Anything less than than the total vote count from the mod would be fucking BS.
Baudib, will you provide us with a total vote count?
This would tell us if the 3x voter voted. This would help immensely.
If the 3x didn't vote, fuck him/her.
It still provies info.
anyone wanna bet I'm getting nommed N1? I'll have nestly bet $20 @ 2-1 that I do.
This should help both reads and $ in bank accounts. Holy shit I just offered $ to those who bet against me not dying.
Who doean't think I'll get nommed D1?
Before N1, if someone wants to bet against me saying I'm going to be a Wolf, please fucking speak up.
if you:
A) speak up by saying I'm not a villager and state the following: "BID is a wolf".
B) I'm killed before D2
C) I'm a wolf
I will ship you $20.
I guess this means I'm nommed N1
No fucking big deal because I'm vanilla.
Suck it wolves.
I'd rather take a vanilla nom D1 than any other nom.
This is literally the most +EV thing a villager can do.
For everyone, including wolves and villagers:
step your game up
I'm cocky because I feel like I can implement any image I want.
day 1 soulread time
Lynch MadMojoMonkey
i pointed out that ong can definitely be a wolf, but i think it's more likely that he's a villager. Mostly cos i can't imagine a wolf being given day vig powers cos that would mess hard with game structure.
reading through the thread and this amused me: Keith, writing to ong...
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Originally Posted by Keith
i feel like there's at least one wolf in [keybored/monstr], and that bid is village
Isn't monster referring to ong as momo because it's his name on another forum? He's not confusing him with anyone.
@ monstr - ffs can you please call madmojomonkey either mmm or madmojomonkey so it's clear who you're talking about.
I'm happy with switching my lynch to monstr today - along with last game there is the confused tone of his posts this game plus the fact that he's holding his vote is classic wolf styles. Looks like i'm doing that too if you look at vote counts, but baudi simply missed my bold of keith's sub after he announced that keith was getting subbed.
fuck, if he's doing that then it's even more stupid. Anything that contributes to confusion benefits the wolves, he's apparently very experienced at this game so he knows this. I think it's deliberate. He's wolfin'Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
rescind mmm, lynch monstman
if monstr flips wolf then vig should snap-shoot rong obviously.
My mistake, he is actually talking to mmm.
And what exactly should I be snap shot for? Are you just making it up as you go along?
i thought the only way you know who the fuck monstr is talking about (is it ong/mmm/someone else?) is if you talked about him calling ong momo, and that hasn't happened in the thread so where else could it have taken place. Drawing a long bow, i know, but i'm sure you'll concede that it's at least some kind of read. Not making it up, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
I'm sure song's name on quick topic was something like mono, but either way, as I stated above, it became clear that monster was indeed referring to mmm.
Having read the thread I think I'm leaning on the side of ong being a likely villager.
I still want to lynch wuf ideally. I have read him as villager real quick about 10 games straight and today I'm unable to do so. That's not much for anyone else but it's enough for me.
Beyond that I quite liked an argument put against keyboard, but I can't remember the details of it and don't have time to read again so I'm sticking with wuf for now but may change in a few hours.
DomoQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
The only person I'm getting wolf vibes from is gabe. Most people are null, with mojo / monstr / key / drew all coming off town
I have limited internet access right now so I'm phone posting.
maybe this wasn't clear but this is an extremely important point:
DO NOT talk about mod decisions.
DO NOT talk about what the mod should or shouldn't do.
DO NOT offer opinions or try to interpret what the mod did or didn't do.
Also:
Wagers are against the spirits of WW and I am amazed that anyone here would not realize that.
The wager thing is specifically referred to in an old rules post. Not that it matters really, but we aren't supposed to do it.
I understand there are a lot of new wrinkles to this game, but if you have questions that you think I should answer, PM me and I will address it in the thread if I think it's appropriate.
Everyone has the information they're supposed to have.
I think boog is a wolf but I don't want to vote him yet because it's the first time he's played in a while so if I'm wrong I'd feely shitty about him dying d1
Hmm, this is better from boog. Although I have to say finding villagers is a legit strat so idk why you're busting key for it thereQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
lynch gabe
That was pretty stupid of me. Can't wait to get nommed N1. You heard it here first.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Preach!Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
So your tells aren't anything specific. It would be truer to say my post on Ong lacked conviction because his actions don't really fit either wolf or villager. I was trying to find a reason that wasn't "spazz" since I know he puts thought into these games.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I'd feel bad doing this due to player moral. Gabe dies early every game recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Hoops just feels like regular NThoops to me
After reading through I could switch to jkds, rong or maybe davenQuote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Sorry my bad, won't happen again baudmod.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib