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says the guy talking a lot!
Fair enough JV, but out of everyone who's left, I feel we're gonna get participation. There's no obvious quiet targets. The remaining noobs are involved.
Like I say, happy to go for bikes unless he's pulls his head out of his arse. I'd be happier to see him vote for me so we can see he's interested in playing ww rather than just using the game to bitch at shotty.
They tried going after each other when we were all wolves together a few games back, it backfired and boog only avoided a lynch on day 1 by fake outing as the seer. If they were on the same team, I doubt they would try that tactic again.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
I agree. Posting with no value is the same as not posting at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
lynch bikes
Problem of course it allows a wolf bikes to just float by giving us zero info.
So yeah I'll rescind jyms
lynch bikes
If he rescinds his shotty vote and plays the game I'll rescind my bikes vote.
I guess I am supposed to stay quiet until my name is forgotten but you guys are missing some things and getting some things wrong.
I made a big mistake and was thinking I was gonna sniff out all the baddies day one, but here are some obvious people not posting on purpose that have posted elsewhere on FTR. Villagers don't typically stay quiet, certainly not when they are new to WW. I was overly enthusiastic since I haven't played since WW2 or 3 back before we had a WW forum. If that gets me lynched so be it, but I think that there are some better targets. Bikes is obvious, All 3 women have been suspicious. I think shotglass is something, just not sure if good or bad. Chevette may just think villager is a special role but she's always posting enthusiasticly so maybe I am wrong. And Chelle is definitely bad. I don't say that just because she's voting for me, because I am sure if I stay quiet you guys will move on, but she's posted 1132 times in a week and 3 times here in 2 days?
It's hard to post a lot when other people don't post much - I read the thread every time someone posts but I don't reply every time.
So I don't think that necessarily makes people bad. That said, I am suspicious about a couple of people.
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I was overly enthusiastic since I haven't played since WW2
Yeah jyms is enthusiastic because he hasn't played in a while, not because he's a baddie. But crazvette is enthusiastic not because she's new but because she thinks she's special.Quote:
Chevette may just think villager is a special role but she's always posting enthusiasticly so maybe I am wrong.
Hmmmm.
Soul read ITT
As i open up my eyes and see the morning sun come slightly thru my windows , i knew it was morning . So gently i start to get out of bed by sliding my long legs out from under the covers as they reach for my slippers . The bed covers are moved a bit while i start to rise from the bed naked from the nights before occurrences . A slight cool breeze was in the air as my nipples started to get hard when reaching for my robe . Slightly tightening my robe around me as i walk out of the bedroom from the sounds of people making noises outside .
When i get to the door i can hear people talking as they run past my house , slowly i start to open the door to see what was all the fuss about . At my door step was todays village newspaper so i preceeded to bend down to retrieve it as my robe slightly opened up to show my long legs . When i stand back up i opened up the paper to be amazed to what i was reading , ANOTHER KILLING IN OUR VILLAGE . I started to read the article and at the same time i was watching the villagers running around for what had happened from the previous occurrences .
Just at that moment there was a hand placed on my shoulder from behind as another hand came around slowly and so slightly to caress my breast as he gently gave me a hug . He moves his hand from my shoulders and starts to move my long silky hair from my neck as he preceeds to kiss it and whispers in my ear . " Your the best , crazzvette " . He then slowly lifts up his hoody to shade his face from being seen and proceeds to run out the door to blend in with the other villagers .
Intregued in what i was reading , i lost my footing and got caught up by a strong breeze from the wind . Being unaware of what had happened , my robe opened up to much showing people around what naturally people would pay to see . Embaressed of what had occured untill i heard the howling of someone watching me . I quickly looked up and saw Ongbonga staring at me , druilling in fact . Did i see fangs from his mouth in that breif second that i saw him or was it my imagination playing tricks on me . Scared and uncertain , i quickly closed the door and started to hold my paper and myself tightly . What or Who is Ongbonga and what was his intentions for me ?
lies
She's 4' 11'', she hasn't got long legs.
That post made me both laugh and puke. That's a first.
ahahahahaha
:shock:
:clap:
Roleplaying in a WW game lmao that's a first.
Crazzvette is the village prostitute? I didn't know that was a role.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazzvette
wow...just, wow
i thought all we did on this forum was cyber
recind shotglass
lynch craz
never wanna read anything like that again. this is ww not 50 shades of garbage.
k well that's good enough for me to get off bikes' back.
rescind bikes
I'm EASY to get along with if you understand my sense of humour , if you don't get what i'm implying and have to be rude in any way , sorry if your imaturity gets the best of you .
lynch bikes
rescind bikes
My top choices at this moment:
bikes: hasn't posted real content, but I can't argue with his crazzvette lynch.
crazzvette: somehow has a lot of posts but has only been talking about pies and writing romance posts, nothing constructive towards finding the baddies. THE GOAL IS TO FIND THE WOLVES/VAMPIRES AND LYNCH THEM.
chelle: very low post count, no content that provides value to the village. Jyms has a great point -- she's active in the forum but not in this thread. Wolves are often quiet, because it's hard to keep up a web of lies.
I'm torn between crazzvette and chelle -- I want to lynch crazzvette more, but I think chelle is the better lynch.
lynch chelle
WOOOOOOOOOOOSH
k since so many people think they can soul read day 1-3. which is abso preposterous i'm shattering your bubble right now. you're like the guy who moves up in stakes, wins 10 bi first session and think's he's god's gift.
you can't unless someone makes a tremendous day 1-2 blunder.
that all being said, days 1-3 you lynch people who are inactive or are just levels ahead of everyone in ww. which is why back before we lynched pelion every day 1. without fail and probably gabe day 3. not because we thought they were wolves, but it's because you can't pick up anything read worthy for a few days. this 'soul reading' crap is garbage.
lemme put it this way incase that wasn't clear. someone 3bs you twice in an orbit. you don't snap say OMG LAGTARD ON THE LOOSE. you'll have a bad time.
so for now lynch inactives and people who are just too good. makes for a more enjoyable mid and late game.
also if you lynch me day 2-3 ill be flattered but atm just picking up reads and everyone does it differently
I am wondering if this long post by crazzvette wasnt a noob attempt of a turncoat to signal Ong
I dont think we are going to lose much by lynching crazz and if she happend to be a turncoat we get Ong as bonus
lynch crazz
P.S. what can we make out of Dan getting nommed
Seriously weak defense Ong. Dissappointed.
There is relatively little information to go on, yet you are calling me stupid for throwing out what appears to be the best lead we have at this time imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ong
And starting the lynch wagon on Justin is what is best for the other wolves to do when they find out he isn't going to participate and that it's only a matter of time till he gets modkilled. Then once Wuf says there will be no modkills, lynching Joker would have been what is best for the wolf team. And your voting reflects that exactly. With you gungho after Justin until you see that there is no modkills, then you switched to Joker.
Me thinks you are throwing the "I tossed his name out early when we could have easily lynched another noob/joker, why would I do that as a wolf?" card a little too soon Ong.
Really? Never? You are already so obviously a villager that if others can't see it they are just incredibly oblivious? There could be no reasonable suspicion towards you at all. Especially none of what I wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ong
You are going to have to do better than that to make it obvious you are a villager. Noone in the game is obviously anything at this point, and arguing that you are is just retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ong
Not at all misleading if you take the time to read and understand what I was trying to say. Without going back to look again, I believe you rescinded your initial lynch for Justin to start the Joker wagon after Wuf said there would be no modkills. Then the Joker wagon picked up steam, and he had 6 votes, looking like he was probably getting lynched, when you decided to then throw Justin back out as a better lynch candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ong
So let's clear up your suspicion of me posting misleading information. It wasn't the Justin wagon that had 6 votes, it was the Joker wagon you started. Then when the Joker wagon is nearly full steam ahead, you decided to toss out Justin's name again. Seriously, you should just admit that it is supsicious, but a coincidence, rather than throwing out a defense of "OMG I"M OBV A VILLAGER". Come on now.
Ok so my defence was weak, I accept that. I'd just got out of bed.
The "isn't it obvious" comment was intended at jyms being a wofl. He's my top pick. I'd even go as far as to say he's on the wolf team, not vamps. He's all over the place and he's who looks most dodgy from the justin wagon for me.
I'm happy you're looking at the justin wagon. My point is though that with joker not on the wolf team, wolves would be far happier to lynch him in the hope justin shows up. Once the joker wagon fails, well justin would indeed be a good sacrifice, wolves will know he's toast. So yeah I think you're right to look at the justin wagon, but I think you're looking a little too early. I think myself and boog are clear, because we made it happen. But maybe I'm being a little hasty in assuming boog isn't a wolf, so yeah fine I accept I can't be considered non-wolf.
And yes I misunderstood what you said... I thought you were suggesting there were 6 votes for justin when I made my post trying to get him lynched. My bad.
I'm not a wolf. Fine, don't go putting me into your villager camp in any hurry, but don't just look at me from the justin wagon, because you're looking in the wrong place, and there's info there for sure.
But you do have a good read on my play?Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
I don't see why me being more active in this game is so strange. I mean I expected it to be pointed out that I'm being much more active than last game. But, I've been active in past games, both as a wolf and as a villager.
If you think I'm a wolf that felt the need to switch up my activity level from the last game (since I was a relatively quiet wolf that made it to the end game), I could retort by pointing out that it would have just been much easier to be relatively quiet again and when that drew suspicion wait for it to be pointed out that I was a quiet wolf last time, and unlikely to repeat that again drawing unnecessary suspicion. Not to mention doing the above would have left less information about me, and my hypothetical fellow wolves, in the thread.
I'm just trying to be more of a contribution to the thread. And enjoy trying to read people and find wolves/vampires, more so than having perfect information (barring villager specials) and trying to remain hidden.
No. Can't speak for crazv, maybe she is a turncoat, but she's not signalling to me here. I'm happy you're going for her before me though! I doubt she's a turncoat, I hope she's not now.Quote:
I am wondering if this long post by crazzvette wasnt a noob attempt of a turncoat to signal Ong
Pretty much that there's a reg on the wolf team. Not much use. I think dan is high priority. I didn't think he was looking much like a special, so I'm guessing the nom was value, they feared him, rather than special hunting, but then again maybe there's an expert special hunter on the wolf team. That would point to those who regularly mod games... bigred and bikes, maybe even JKDS with his recent experience of special behaviour. But that's a thin read.Quote:
P.S. what can we make out of Dan getting nommed
This is basically what most of my suspicion towards you hinges around though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ong
I get that if you were a wolf having Joker get lynched is obviously a better result than having Justin get lynched. But it's better for a wolf you to start the Justin bandwagon rather than him getting modkilled. And as I stated, up until somewhere on page 3, everyone was under the assumption that inactives would be modkilled (as they usually are). I feel like it's likely that you would have known by this point that Justin wasn't going to participate and would eventually get modkilled. And it was up until right after wuf explained that there wouldn't be any modkills that you were going for a Justin lynch. Whereby, you then switched to Joker.
This is after Joker had already made his one and only appearance in the thread, making him more active than Justin. And it wasn't until Joker had more than half the votes needed to be lynched did you change back to Justin (starting the wagon).
rescind Ong
lynch Pascal
stacks, if I were a wolf, I'd have asked wuf like immediately after teams were announced how he's dealing with modkills. I imagine the wolves had this information before we did.
And yeah justin was my first bold. So I get this doesn't clear me. But don't assume wolves only knew how wuf was dealing with modkills when he posted itt. If they didn't ask wuf as soon as they saw justin on the team, well wolves are noobs themselves.
Looks like Shotglass has decided to lynch me because I lynched him. I'm going to stick with my last post and lynch jyms
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
OK maybe not last post, forgot I changed to joker, but yea, last post seriously discussing stuff before we decided to lynch an inactive
I don't get why you would immediately ask Wuf, as this is the first game I remember ever being a part of that doesn't have modkills, and as far as I know (haven't played the last few games), it's standard for inactives to be modkilled still.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Also you did ask Wuf about modkills in post #84.
Along with Shotglass a few posts later asking about the rules for modkills. Not sure if I've played with her, but shouldn't she know the rules? Other than wuf modding, I don't see why she would have a reason to believe it's any different than what has become typical?Quote:
So can I ask wufmod how long people have got before modkill?
Idk, regarding modkills, it really just feels like you had a particularly vested interest in it from very early on. Calling out inactives, and asking when people are getting modkilled on page 2, when it was definitely possible some people didn't even know the game had started yet, as TLR/myself/Joker/Justin hadn't posted yet.
My "vested interest" was because of the number of noobs, I recognised the potential for inactives in a large field. You and TLR, you guys have a habit of taking your time to get started. I'm not bitching, I'm merely explaining why I gave you two slack and focussed on joker and justin. Chelle and crazv were quick to get involved, so I cut them some slack too.
I would immediately ask wuf because I'd want to know how much time they have.
And me asking itt... that can be villager ong or wolf ong, I'd ask wuf later in the thread as well as privately at the start, in case I fucked up and made it obvious I knew they were ok to just float by. Myself and shotty asking wuf itt, it means nothing either way.
I'm telling you, wolves either asked wuf immediately or wolves are noobs. Wouldn't you ask wuf is justin was on your team?
Shotglass is a "her".Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
With legs and a bong.
Oh fuck, my mistake sorry!!
and a few lines occasionallyQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
@ Pascal- my bolding you has nothing to do with your bold of me. I'm torn between you, Crazz, Ong, and bikes. bikes' comments were well written. If Ong's a wolf then he'll be easy enough to catch later. I'm curious to see what kind of stupid shit that crazz posts later...so that leaves...you.
Although, both Gator and Red have been extremely quiet and if they don't post in the next few hours then I'd happily get on a bw for either.
no worries :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
Just glad you acknowledged that asking in the thread doesn't clear you as a villager. Also obviously doesn't condemn you as a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I wouldn't have asked immediately. I mean given it would have been a shitty situation to have what is likely going to be an inactive player on my team, but I would have simply accepted it was a shitty draw and that he would likely be handled the same as modkills in the past, and play accordingly.
You say you would act differently there and asked, and that's possibly true.
ya know what, fuck it. Gator is too dangerous to leave alive until mid/end game without applying some heat...so might as well start now
rescind Pascal
lynch Gator
I don't like the idea of lynching Crazzette. I think it's unlikely a noob baddie would make such a long response due to fear of outting herself. Not to mention noob baddies are good for us in the end game (if they are participating) as they are easier reads, and more likely to link themselves to others.
I disagree with the first part, but not so much the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stacks
I think that her post is a great example of how a player on her first game, as a turncoat (feeling all alone and not able to communicate with your team) would try to get a message to the other baddies.
However, I do think that we should watch Ong's and crazz's post pretty closely because, for right now, it's one of the best leads that we have.
err...i meant watch their future posts
all of the above combined with the previously mentioned evidence against Ong paints a pretty damning picture
Day 2 is ending around this time tomorrow
How the fuck am I being voted to be lynched?
Am I gonna have to murder crazette irl for being 4 ft 11, it's well known that I'm the 4 ft 11 bitch around here, and I'm keeping that god damn title.
And so because of both this attempt of terrible RP, and the fact that she's attempting to take my place as the short chick...
rescind jyms
lynch crazzvette
I never want to read writing that terrible, again. Worse than Stephanie Meyer.
No offense to Crazvette but thats a pretty elaborate, levelling post for a first timer. I think her posts are exactly how it reads, she's trying to have fun and fit in.
I'm still eyeballing Jyms
but also Chelle due to inactivity overall.
I've been busy doing wimmens stuff.
You know, laying on my back, cleaning, eating bon-bons, bitching, cooking, and barefoot in kitchen with a baby on my hip.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelle
Liar! We know you like doggy style, are a slob, only eat fresh raw meat and eat babies so your post is nothing but misdirection....
The bitching part....well ok thats prob the truth...;)
lol
So has vinland played before? Because he don't look much like a noob to me.
Cue gizmo...
Actually, doggy style isn't all that great, imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Vinland
I'm rather unorganized at the moment since I've been out of the hospital sinnnnnce last week and still not very strong.
I like my meat cooked.
Keep babies away from me.
I'm not much of a bitcher. :)
I can't get on FTR at work and was too busy to get in on my iPhone to catch the early game antics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shotglass
My thoughts are as follows:
Chelle is definitely too quiet so I can get on board with that lynch.
I could hang out with vette and thought her post was very original.
Jyms confuses me, but as I mentioned early if he is a wolf it will be very evident later on.
But more than anything else Ong's defense posts seem way to weak for me to ignore so I am going to go with a lynch ong, but may switch to chelle.
Yeah, im not seeing anything but fluff from crazyv. But then again, im not seeing anything but fluff from most players.
Cmon lets lynch ongabonga! Itll be fun! He'll be all like "noooooo dun lynch me!" and we'll all be like "enjoy your crumpets and tea in hell!" and then he'll be all "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo you spelled tea wronggggg it has a u in it!!!!"
So ya, lynch ong
Bikes should take some anger management classes. But the one person that confuses me, and who I was silently referring to earlier, is Vinland. Dunno the guy but he has a very peculiar vet-like way of posting. This stands out to me more than the merry-go-round that is going on on the foreground atm.
lynch Vinland
@ gator- good enough for me
I agree, like I wrote earlier, I think the evidence against Ong is just too damning to have such a weak defense. If we lynch Ong and he turns out to be a baddie then crazz should be next in line, imo.
rescind Gator
lynch Ong
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
THE FUCK, BRO?!
Stacks makes good points. Taht said so did bikes. We need to use whatever we got on day two whether it's sound logic or not. I think we should force quiet posters to post more by lynching the inactives
But that said, vinland, I am the only FTR'r that eats babies so.....
lynch Chelle
bikes makes a good point and so does stacks. That said, on day two all we have is whatever we come up with logically, faulty or not. Teh only way to get inactives to post is to start lynching them.
That said, vinland, I am the only one that eats babies on FTR, so.....
Lynch chelle
Quick reply is kinda bugged atm, it'll make your post but it won't show til you refresh the page
fucking reply box is fucking up on me, but the same point was made
Meanwhile, paraphrasing one's own posts.
Ya it totally deleted what I wrote. I had wrote much more twice and was just trying to get a post in, hard to remember what I wrote the first time word for word
That's it. I'm taking down the pic of my tits pic in the commune.
in the interests of moving the game forward
rescind crazz
lynch ongbonga
for the multiple reasons.
his defense is weaksauce.
i don't want to read his long ended windbag posts during mid game. this is +EV for all btw.
he's a dirty brit.
K well I'm not gonna kick up a stink if you wanna kill me off. I spend too much time playing this game anyway, I can play more pokers. Fill your boots.
I'll say this though... I think wolves think I'm a vamp and vamps think I'm a wolf. If I die today, have a nice long look who's keen to see me die.
JKDS, bikes and gator all look questionable to me, especially gator and JKDS. Why do they want rid of someone who puts time into the game? I annoy bikes so I can see why he's quick to jump on.
Stacks and shotty, both villagers imo. Their reasons for voting me seem more sincere. Might be wrong.
Oh, JKDS, you didn't actually bold me.
Why isn't Ong defending himself? I expect villager Ong to fire a barrage of posts when the votes start piling up against him.
Since we still have almost a full day left I'm leaving my vote on Chelle, who hasn't contributed much of value to the village yet. But if Ong doesn't want to defend himself...
Ha, Ong slipped a post in right ahead of me.
Whoa, have I posted anything on day 2 yet? This day is going by quickly. Let me read through all your bs drivel poor excuses for a posts and cut right through to the bad guys.
When I post and hit quick reply my post doesn't show up unless I refresh. WTF mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Nothing new has impressed me enough to change my vote from lynch gator
The village will rue the day they let him live lone enough to inflict his wolfy damage throughout this game.
Well I don't wanna lynch chelle, and gator stinks of wolf sweat, so in the interests of self preservation I'll hop on that one.
lynch gator
Actually fuck that rescind gator
lynch bigred
3 minutes after he says he's gonna catch up he's posting that nothing new changes his mind and gator is his choice.
That was a quick read. Methinks he's full of shit.
you flip flop more than mitt romneyQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DEVIL IN HER
ANGEL EYESSSSSS
stop wanting to kill me off, guys, I'm your friend, not foe.
...fags.
Solid defence.
Lynch bigred with me chelle, it's like stamping on a kitten, only it doesn't mess up your boots.
...what the fuck, i LOVE kittens, look at my avatar for god's sake!
also - I don't wear boots. stilletos, flats, or HK vans only.
Also - is there anyway I can get like, my full house turned into -just- a queen of hearts? cause well, that'd be ballin.
I like kittens too, I was just trying to find the words that hurt bigred the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelle
I just burned some hair lighting this ciggie. Is that you dishing karma out my way?
Well, I'm a redhead - and they're considered witches sometimes.
Mebbe I did some warble garble and made that happen... :O
Obv it's cause I'm a witch, cause the redhair.
Also - OH MAH GAWD QUEEN OF HEARTS, PANTIES WET.
LOL, do you think I've ever spent more than 3 minutes "catching up"?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Yeah bigred is a fat stinking catwolf. A ginger one at that. And not the good kind of ginger, like chelle (no more hair burning karma please, scares me), the bad kind of ginger, like male ginger.
Seriously, he posts...
And within three minutes he's made two more posts, one a compalint about how quick post is fucked, and the second he says he's happy with gator.Quote:
Let me read through all your bs drivel poor excuses for a posts and cut right through to the bad guys.
He didn't read the thread, he couldn't be arsed, he's got at least a full page to read up on. He's not wolf hunting, he's floating by with fluff.
wolf.
Ong. You're going to burn your hair again.
Within the next 27 minutes.
WHATEVER ONG YOU DON'T KNOW ME
Well that's my cue to fuck off to bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelle
JUST BECAUSE WE'RE LAZY DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE STACKS. You guys use lots of words to talk about your feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
fwiw I'm not actually defending bigred, I'm just using the comparison of myself to both bigred and stacks to cleverly remind a charming village, that already voted me most handsome, how lovable I am.
I find myself naturally suspicious of ong and shotglass because they're splashing around making a lot of "lynch.....uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...HIM. NO WAIT HIM." noise, but mainly that's maybe because it's the opposite of how I'm playing. I don't really know what's going on and so am trying to remain quiet to avoid making posts like this one where I link myself to probably-wolf-vampire-harrison-ford-hybrid bigred for the sake of an easy joke.
4 other people that are getting away with being inactive as shit:
boog
boog
that boog guy
boog
FYI last game ong had suspected literally everyone before he finally died, so nothing special there, and Shotty always flips her vote a lot. (as villagers) So can't deduce much from that.
The game format makes it unwise to lynch good players early unless we have a very good reason to determine they are witches/vamps, I did not see enough to be convinced that there is a reason to lynch Gator
I am sticking with my crazz for now
Next on my suspect list are Boog, Stax and BR
I didn't dream about hair fire, my dreams are safe.
Kiwi, it's what I do, I point fingers and accuse everyone because, well, it's fun. I have this debate with someone every game, like "omg ong thinks he can soulread the game on day two" and I'm all like "lol no I don't think that but I make people post" and they're like "you're a twat, shut up" and I'm like "no, die wolf" etc and it makes the first few days fun.
Same can be said for Ong.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
rescind OngQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Lynch Boog
He disappears every game. Much more fun to play with someone who actually participates.
Aw man it's bigred's birthday.
rescind bigred
lynch bigred
birthday lynching?
Well I wanna lynch bigred or jyms but it looks like it's between me, chelle and crazv so on that basis...
rescind bigred
lynch crazvette
rescind bikes
lynch ongbonga
crazz seems to be just doing revenge votes.
C'mon people, seriously, how many games has boog started and then disappeared? Shouldn't we send a message that both villagers and baddies need to play and won't be able to coast by? IDK about y'all but I'd much rather read Ong's page long posts or crazz's crazy posts than boog's indifference.