Side effect of banning of poker(is obviously FTR turning on each other)

Re OngBonga

Re: Paki "In recent times there has been a trend by second and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word. The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis."

Same as nigga.

Hopefully part of the evolution of things. "That offends me." "That offends me and my father." "That offends me and my father and my father's father... Y'know what? It's mine now. Imma celebrate it." "Yeah, it was a big deal to my granddad, but it's just a word so whatever."

Now the children of the children of the children of the offenders are saying, "Fuck it all. Let's start at square one. I won't use Paki offensively and you won't be offended by Paki."

So what if white people owned black people? I didn't own black people. You weren't owned. Whatever the perceived or actual differences are between the two races, how is it not the top option to press the tare button in this instance?

That's my personal opinion. I don't care to spread it but I know I'd like to function under its assumptions. If I say something that offends you personally, I will apologize and attempt to avoid it in future but I'd like to believe if roles were reversed, I'd also apologize and attempt to avoid being offended.

It's a word, it's not your job to police the thoughts in someone else's mind. If they're a bit racist (which I think all people are), you probably are too (because I think all people are). And we both need to find a tactic that allows us to amicably work together and around that fact.

It may be that the impetus for these beliefs comes from being a white male, but so be it. That doesn't invalidate the thoughts.

Re: OngBonga, still though, your post comes across as pretty rough.

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Most of you fucking idiots don't know what it means to be racist.

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Not but you're clearly studying it, right? Please report back your findings.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

And we ALL need to find a tactic that allows us to amicably work together and around that fact.

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FYP.

@ 'rilla...

It's nice to see someone put some thought into this.

Just to clear one thing up, I don't use the term Paki, but I haven't got a problem with its use if it explicitly describes Pakistani people, and not people who look a bit like them. The term "Paki shop" was extremely common here in the UK in the 70's, the PC brigade have succeeded into turning a nickname for the corner shop into something offensive. The people who used the term didn't make it offensive, other people did. The term gollywog wasn't offensive when referring to the doll, until someone decided it was. Times are changing, soon it will be against the law to say "fat", we'll have to say "larger than average" or "horizontally challenged" or some shit.

I realise that some people are offended by certain words. If I know this when I meet someone, I try not to use those words. There are some words I obviously do not use in certain company, Paki is certainly one of those words. But then, I don't have a problem with these words so long as the context is not aggressive.

So a question... is it acceptable for Americans to mock the English for having bad teeth? It doesn't offend me, but then what if I say it does? Does that make anyone who's offending me with such claims a racist? Of course not. I should lighten up.

But, I'm gonna be an arse for a minute (just a minute though). I don't like being called a Brit, it's either Briton or English. I also don't like white caucasian, I prefer Anglo-Saxon. I'm skinny, but I prefer the term lean. Finally, please don't ever refer to me as a dopehead, junkie or waster, I prefer stoner.

We can all be offended by whatever we want. I'm not saying people can't be. I don't care what offends people. All I care about is my intentions, that's all I can control. What offends others is their business.

My concience is clear, there's no hatred in me.

Yes, my last post might be rough, but it's not racist. I don't think there should be a Black Police Association, that's what I think is racism. It is a group that excludes people based on their skin colour. A White Police Association would cause outrage, and rightly so. Why doesn't the black equivelent do the same? Because people are scared of being branded racist. People are too stupid to recognise institutionalised racism, they think that words make people racist. You said "Paki shop"? RACIST!!! This is why I think people are idiots.

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Been away for a few days, missed some action here huh?



This quote tells me everything that's wrong with the general moron's attitude towards racism. Don't anyone dare say an offensive word (unless it's a black person in a hip-hop video).

No. Sorry. Not having it. If anyone thinks it is ok for black people to say nigger, but not white people, then it is they who are racist.

Here in the UK, there is an organisation called National Black Police Association, which, as its name suggests, is an organisation for black police officers, designed to improve the working conditions of black police. Now, anyone who dares to have a private organisation for white people only is racist.

Fucking hypocrisy.

Most of you fucking idiots don't know what it means to be racist.

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Awesome level bro.

Haha!

Rep comment - "You're still a stone cold retard".

Yes, my friend, this is true. That's like calling a black man a nigger. So how is it ok to go calling people retards, yet it's not ok to call my takeaway a chinky? Personally, I think both are ok, but I'm just pointing the hypocrisy out.

I think some people don't even know what hypocrisy means, let alone racism.

You guys are awesome.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Here in the UK, there is an organisation called National Black Police Association, which, as its name suggests, is an organisation for black police officers, designed to improve the working conditions of black police. Now, anyone who dares to have a private organisation for white people only is racist.

Fucking hypocrisy.

Most of you fucking idiots don't know what it means to be racist.

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OB: For someone who has complained about other people being overly sensitive and claimed three times in this thread that you have no hate in you, you do seem to have a lot of pent-up anger and resentment.

Of course, real racism/discrimination/prejudice (they are different things) rarely has anything to do with hate. Full-blown open hate is easy enough to deal with.

ongbonga, there are sooooooooooooooooo many points to address in response to your posts that it's tough for me to think it's anywhere near 0eV for me to bother, but siiiiiiiigh internet arguments are irresistible for me.

RE: black people can use the N-word and white people can't- Short answer: why do you care? do you REALLY wanna use the n-word THAT bad that it's just eating you up inside? are you really THAT unaccustomed to being derived of a freedom that others have that it just burns you up this much inside? This double standard is probably pretty close to literally the smallest, most insignificant injustice in the entire world, which makes you bitching about it (or even bringing it up, or hell, even NOTICING it) make you seem like you've lived quite a privileged life. Hence my referencing louis CK's "white people complaints" bit earlier.

Long answer: We're still early-ish in the history of black people using the N-word, and it never was and still isn't now in many respects just some word like "dude" or "crap" for black people even when black people say it. It was first used by Richard Prior in his stand up--in the VERY beginning it was used by him to satirize white people's thoughts and dialogue, like "Oh my gosh, these n-words have taken all the seats." it was kind of a shock value type joke that caught black people and white people alike off guard. There's something to doing something that makes people feel uncomfortable that makes some people laugh very hard. Since the word became a sort of joke and represented a SATIRE of white people's thoughts of black people instead of a show of dominance of white people over black people as it had been used by white people. Dave Chapelle would take this to a WHOLE new extreme with his "Black White Supremacist" skit.

in later stand up he used it a lot more as a black person talking to a black person and using the word--not the same type of satire, but the same type of effect of taking the power out of the word and making a bit of a mockery out of it. even though it might seem like (based on how it's used in a lot of hip hop) that it's just another way to say "dude" or something, but really it's still mostly used in the same way richard prior used it; as a turning of an offensive word on its head for a little shock value for rhetorical effect--whether it be for a laugh, for emphasis, or even to use it derogatorily (note, for example, how Dana uses it in the last scene of friday . . . sorry i know that you're a brit so you have no idea waht i'm talking about, but i can't find a link).

for the most part, though, it hasn't lost it's Extremely-Offensive status for anyone regardless of the race that's saying it. chris rock certainly caught a lot of flack for his infamous "two kinds of black people" bit, and it's understandable why. he basically takes the N-word and redefines it in the exact way that it was used offensively by white people for generations; basically saying that there are two kinds of black people, and one kind is just down, low, no-good, dogs (or, in other words, the N-word, as used by white people for so many generations).

It's like if someone were to endearingly call their girlfriend "cunt" as a bit of a joke (and as a way to make light of a word that was otherwise very traumatic for your girlfriend in the past for some reason i can't think of because i'm not THAT good at coming up with analogies). it grows to be a bit of an inside joke that is kinda cute and funny after a while, like "cunt, just come over" said with a huge smirk on your face. after a while you get more comfortable with it, and you can use it in more situations and with less emphasis that you're completely joking and you don't mean it you swear, but probably at no point does it COMPLETELY lose it's edge and there never gets to be a point where there's NO bad situation you can use it in where your girlfriend will get REALLY pissed at you for using it in that context or with that tone or around certain people or with certain intention. and finally, and most obviously, if ANYONE else were to dare call your girlfriend a cunt, regardless of whether or not it's with a smirk on their face or not, you will knock their fuckin' lights out . . . end of story.

RE: Black Police Association thing

This one's pretty simple, really. Groups that have legitimate concerns about unequal pay, decreased chances of promotion or other workplace difficulties (even just the mere being a minority and being the one or two "different" people in the workplace falls under this) have a legitimate, non-prejudice-based reason to form a group to make sure they're looking out for their good. If you're a white heterosexual male with no disabilities, no mental health problems, etc, then it's gonna be tough to argue that you have a need for a group that looks out for the equality of your wages, being the "different" person in the workplace, etc. it's not a "you're not invited" club, it's just a "you don't need a club like this" club.

there may be some very rare instances where some white males have a legitimate gripe about being taken seriously in their predominantly black workforce and get shunned out of town when they even think of suggesting and all white organization to secure their equal opportunity rights, but i doubt that you personally are affected by any such situation and, again, since it's such a proportionately low and unlikely unjustice in the great scheme of things, worrying about that one outlier is just silly

Richard prior is a fucking legend.

Just wow.

Some seriously stupid people itt.

If I heard someone use say chinky or pakishop next to me in the pub, I'd almost certainly punch them.

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OB: For someone who has complained about other people being overly sensitive and claimed three times in this thread that you have no hate in you, you do seem to have a lot of pent-up anger and resentment.

Of course, real racism/discrimination/prejudice (they are different things) rarely has anything to do with hate. Full-blown open hate is easy enough to deal with.

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I disagree with pretty much all of this. Yeah I get angry from time to time, that's not hatred, anger is something that we all feel sometimes. Resentment? Not sure about that one. Who do I resent? I certainly do not resent anyone for their skin colour, and I don't resent anyone who tries to tell me how I should behave. I just ignore them.

And you bring up discrimination... Discrimination can work both ways... I am being discriminated against because I am white. If someone says to me "You can't say that because you're white", that, my friend, is discrimination, plain and simple. How is it ok to discrimiiate against the white man, but not the black man? Is that what equality is?

And real racism has everything to do with hate.

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good post

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I don't agree that it's ok for some people to say nigger and not others. I believe that equality means everyone is equal, and should be treated so. And yes, I get angry from time to time, that's a whole different thing to hatred.

As for the Black Police thing, I agree with some points you make. Yes, there should indeed be a body that ensures fairness in the workforce, but having a club for just black people does exactly the opposite. The body should ensure fairness for ALL, not just those of a certain colour. What about the mentally handicapped in the Police force? If they're white, they don't get represented by the NBPA. What about the women? Or the Irish? One doesn't have to be black to face discrimination.

And as for the Privleged life" thing, well, that's all about perspective. I am privileged, compared to a great many people. But then, that doesn't mean I've had it easy. I got called all sorts at school, including retard and spastic. I just took it on the chin and got on with my life. I've faced discrimination, I still fucking do in this forum, but of course, since I'm white, no-one seems to think it's as bad as racism. Maybe it's not as bad as true racism, but it's exactly the same as calling someone names based on their skin colour. Ignorance and racism are not the same thing. Racism stems from intolerance, ignorace is just that, ignorance. Calling Chinese food "chinky" is not intolerance, refusing to eat Chinese food because I would like them to fuck off back to China would be intolerance. But that's not me. I like the Chinese, they come to our country, learn our language and work hard. Good on them, I have no problem whatsoever with them. I have issues with certain people who don't learn our language and cream our benefits, those are the people who should fuck off. But that's not racism, those of the same race who do learn the language and work I have no issue with.

And yes, Richard Prior is indeed a fucking legend.

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Originally Posted by WillburForce

Just wow.

Some seriously stupid people itt.

If I heard someone use say chinky or pakishop next to me in the pub, I'd almost certainly punch them.

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So punching people is ok, but using what you consider offensive words is not ok? That is what I consider stupid.

Words worse than violence. What a moron.

OngBonga's not racist. He eats Chinese food.

BooG's not racist, he's Mexican!

I'm going to add that OngBonga is far and above my favorite poster itt. The rest of you guys are just intolerant bastards.

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Originally Posted by WillburForce

Just wow.

Some seriously stupid people itt.

If I heard someone use say chinky or pakishop next to me in the pub, I'd almost certainly punch them.

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Come in then . The parkfield pub. Eastbourne
Uk

The old man's a tough guy.

OngBonga has incited violence. Can we ban him now?

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Come in then . The parkfield pub. Eastbourne
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Eastborne? No wonder you have the views you do.

Hi I'm Luco

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So punching people is ok, but using what you consider offensive words is not ok? That is what I consider stupid.

Words worse than violence. What a moron.

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what you consider stupid, obv differs from me then.

Moran.

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I disagree with pretty much all of this. Yeah I get angry from time to time, that's not hatred, anger is something that we all feel sometimes. Resentment? Not sure about that one. Who do I resent? I certainly do not resent anyone for their skin colour, and I don't resent anyone who tries to tell me how I should behave. I just ignore them.

And you bring up discrimination... Discrimination can work both ways... I am being discriminated against because I am white. If someone says to me "You can't say that because you're white", that, my friend, is discrimination, plain and simple. How is it ok to discrimiiate against the white man, but not the black man? Is that what equality is?

And real racism has everything to do with hate.



I don't agree that it's ok for some people to say nigger and not others. I believe that equality means everyone is equal, and should be treated so. And yes, I get angry from time to time, that's a whole different thing to hatred.

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I mean, I have to assume you're just being deliberately obtuse about this. What you describe has nothing at all to do with discrimination but merely the observation of common sense behavior and common decency. Discrimination is the practice of unjustly depriving someone of something (the use of water fountains, choice seats on a bus, a job) because of skin color/gender/religion etc. The fact that it is not acceptable for a white person to call a black person a "N-word" does not deprive them of anything.

Let's get serious. You know this of course, unless you're truly socially inept and unaware. Let's say you are out on the town with your mates, your best friend, your brother, whatever. You are busting each others' balls and refer to each other by various colorful names (dickhead, wanker, cocksucker, etc.). Now this may be considered impolite in certain circles but at your local pub, it's pretty much the norm and everyone understands this. But if a complete stranger comes over to your table and calls you the same names, then you are going to have a different reaction.

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As for the Black Police thing, I agree with some points you make. Yes, there should indeed be a body that ensures fairness in the workforce, but having a club for just black people does exactly the opposite. The body should ensure fairness for ALL, not just those of a certain colour. What about the mantally handicapped in the Police force? If they're white, they don't get represented by the NBPA. What about the women? Or the Irish? One doesn't have to be black to face discrimination.

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This should also be on the list of white people's "problems." Surviva makes good points but I'd go further. In the workplace, minorities of any type face certain obstacles. When you are talking specifically about the police force (and I am going to make a broad assumption that police departments in the UK operate similarly to ones in the U.S., and that the dynamic between white and black officers is similar) these obstacles can be fairly monumental.

We'd like to think/hope that our societies are true meritocracies, but in same cases it just ain't so. People in any field sometimes get promoted, better salaries, better assignments, preferential treatment of various sorts, because of who they know. This is particularly true in many police departments, which often feature the classic buddy networks; also, police departments are notorious for sweeping internal problems under the carpet. Furthermore, minority cops face particular challenges/pressures from their own communities as well as the neighborhoods they serve or might face difficulties in dealing with superiors from a different ethnic background.

it's the thread that keeps giving!

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And real racism has everything to do with hate.

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Not really. Sure, there are people who really hate, but for the most part they get stuck on the wrong side of the broad curve of history.

Racism is simply about considering yourself/your group to be superior, thus free to engage in various antisocial behavior, such as referring to the local brown person as a "Paki" whether or not he's from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh or Mexico.

Slave owners frequently bred with slaves; plantation owners in the South often had slave nannies raise their children. This doesn't imply hatred, but rather, a classist/racist mindset that made them think of black people as inferior beings who could be viewed as commodities.

Boog racist for claiming to be Persian and Iranian. Surely that's some form of intolerance ;-)

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Boog racist for claiming to be Persian and Iranian. Surely that's some form of intolerance ;-)

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I'm Persian and Mexican, asshole.

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I'm Persian and Mexican, asshole.

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in uk we say arsehole

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I mean, I have to assume you're just being deliberately obtuse about this. What you describe has nothing at all to do with discrimination but merely the observation of common sense behavior and common decency.

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Yes, I am being deliberately obtuse at times, I guess I'm getting quite a lot of enjoyment out of this thread. But, it's not for you or I to determine what level of inequality we need to get to before we're discriminating. It's not about things we want, it's about what I can and can't do compared to someone of a different race. I want pure equality, which means I have exactly the same rights as a black person, and they have the same rights as me. I don't care what colour people's skin are, if I can't say a word because it is offensive, then it's offensive for anyone to use it. If using that word makes me racist, then a black person using the word is racist.

To expand of the Police situation, there is discrimination against white people in the force, but they have no-one to represent them. The discrimination they face is due to targets that the Police are under pressure to meet, which states that a certain percentage of the work force should be made up of certain races and minorities. The problem comes when a white person and a black person of equal qualification both apply for the same position, and the black person gets the job so the force meet these targets. How is this fair? I'm not suggesting the white person should get the job, but you'd like to think there would be somewhere near a 50-50 split in these instances. That isn't the case.

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

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Racism is simply about considering yourself/your group to be superior

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Well, since I think the white people of America and Britain are, generally speaking, fucking idiots, I'd say I'm miles away from this definition of racism. I think the Japanese and Chinese are superior. Does that make me racist against whites, or just observant?

OngBonga's not racist. He hates white people.

Boog, you might be a dick, but at least you're funny.

Since when did the majority need representation?

Had to be in this epic train wreck.

Not that being a train is bad, or a wreck. ( dont want to offend trainians or wreckafarians)

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

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If you really believe this, there is a party with very similar views you could vote for.

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Originally Posted by Lucothefish

Since when did the majority need representation?

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Since the minorities started to get preferencial treatment. Majorities can be discriminated against too.

Everyone's interests should be represented officially, not just minorities. This is the problem with racism, no-one bats an eye when the majority face discrimination, and anyone who dares stand up for the rights of the majority faces being branded racist.

We live in a fucked up world where we create probelms instead of dealing with them.

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If you really believe this, there is a party with very similar views you could vote for.

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Yeah I can see what you're getting at here. Problem being, I'm not actually racist, so there's no way I'm voting for people who actually want to discriminate against minorities.

Did I not say I want equality?

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Yeah I can see what you're getting at here. Problem being, I'm not actually racist, so there's no way I'm voting for people who actually want to discriminate against minorities.

Did I not say I want equality?

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You're missing the point though - the things that you view as anti-equality are put there to try and create equality...

And by creating equality, we lose equality.

I'm just gonna troll the shit out of this dumb ass thread.

Your example of the black police union -

After the Steven Lawrence report, the police force was found to be institutionaly racist.

This had wide ranging implications, from cases not being dealt with correctly due to the race of the victms, through to minority officers not getting jobs and all sorts of shit in between.

As a black officer, who would you turn if you had a complaint?

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You're missing the point though - the things that you view as anti-equality are put there to try and create equality...

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Well, it's failing dismally. Equality will only exist when everyone is treated the same. Right now, we're not treated the same.

Get rid of the NBPA, and have a National Police Association for Equality and Fairness, or something like that. Let them represent white people who feel discriminated against as well as blacks. There should be no conflict of interest, so long as there is no institutionalised racism within the force (pipe dream).

A white person who is not racist would be happy to represent a black person who is claiming discrimination, and vica versa. There is no need to have their own organisation, doing so just means that even at government level, not everyone is treated equally.

The NBPA, and other organisations explicitly for black people, only serves to increase the distance between white people and black. The NBPA is institutionalised racism, there's no other way to put it. Why can't a white person be a member?

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Your example of the black police union -

After the Steven Lawrence report, the police force was found to be institutionaly racist.

This had wide ranging implications, from cases not being dealt with correctly due to the race of the victms, through to minority officers not getting jobs and all sorts of shit in between.

As a black officer, who would you turn if you had a complaint?

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Whoever represents those who claim discrimination. Such an organisation should be open to all who feel discriminated against.

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Let them represent white people who feel discriminated against

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I laughed.

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Yes, I am being deliberately obtuse at times, I guess I'm getting quite a lot of enjoyment out of this thread. But, it's not for you or I to determine what level of inequality we need to get to before we're discriminating. It's not about things we want, it's about what I can and can't do compared to someone of a different race. I want pure equality, which means I have exactly the same rights as a black person, and they have the same rights as me. I don't care what colour people's skin are, if I can't say a word because it is offensive, then it's offensive for anyone to use it. If using that word makes me racist, then a black person using the word is racist.

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Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. A black person is likely going to have a different reaction to you using a slur than a black person using the same slur. I assume you're not a sociopath so this is just you being obtuse. Some sort of "familial agreement" is part of basic behavior in pretty much all mammals. The cunt example given above illustrates this. If I pinch my girlfriend's ass in public and she doesn't mind, that's OK. If you pinch my girlfriend's ass, it's not OK.

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To expand of the Police situation, there is discrimination against white people in the force, but they have no-one to represent them. The discrimination they face is due to targets that the Police are under pressure to meet, which states that a certain percentage of the work force should be made up of certain races and minorities. The problem comes when a white person and a black person of equal qualification both apply for the same position, and the black person gets the job so the force meet these targets. How is this fair? I'm not suggesting the white person should get the job, but you'd like to think there would be somewhere near a 50-50 split in these instances. That isn't the case.

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

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Quotas and affirmative action aren't ideal by any means, but generally they exist because of past inequities. I don't know the particulars of the towns/police forces you're talking about, but I'm pretty freaking sure that quotas don't exist because there is an official black police organization. A police force is pretty much a work force where it is not only preferable to have an ethnic mix that reflects the population it serves, but pretty much essential.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that if you compared salaries of white officers to black officers, or go up the chain of command, you'll probably have a really difficult time showing that a white cop is being discriminated against.

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Well, since I think the white people of America and Britain are, generally speaking, fucking idiots, I'd say I'm miles away from this definition of racism. I think the Japanese and Chinese are superior. Does that make me racist against whites, or just observant?

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I think this just shows you make broad generalizations.

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Originally Posted by baudib

A black person is likely going to have a different reaction to you using a slur than a black person using the same slur.

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And here in lies the problem. Why the different reaction? If the word is offensive, it's offensive for anyone to use it. If a black person says I can't say a word that his black friends can use, then he's the one being racist. I can't use the word because I'm white? Hello discrimination.

you need to lay off the weed

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you need to lay off the weed

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That's the most pointless post in this thread, including all of BooG's. Weed has nothing to do with it. Is this you trying to cleverly discriminate against a weed smoker? Or are you just too stupid to realise that's what you've just done?

Neither. I'm just saying you're fundamentally wrong for some reason.

However I'm thoroughly enjoying all the troll-lol-lol-ing itt

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What about the mentally handicapped in the Police force?

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From what I can see, this isn't a problem.

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And here in lies the problem. Why the different reaction? If the word is offensive, it's offensive for anyone to use it.

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It's like how you can call your girlfriend fat but if someone else calls her fat, you get pissed. It's like that. Because she's fat.

That's just a for instance. I know you have no woman that would go near you, so don't get all pointing out my mistakes and stuff.

Waiting for an over-sensitive reaction...

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Neither. I'm just saying you're fundamentally wrong for some reason.

However I'm thoroughly enjoying all the troll-lol-lol-ing itt

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Everyone's a troll on the internet. But keep posting please, I don't care what you have to say, I just want to see your avatar as much as possible.

YouTube - My President iz Black--Young Jeezy feat. Nas{Brand New}

Why they gotta go and make songs about black people? That's racist.

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That's just a for instance. I know you have no woman that would go near you, so don't get all pointing out my mistakes and stuff.

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Come on Benny, you're funnier than that. That's a pretty cheap shot. And besides, I've had a fat girlfriend in the past, and couldn't give a crap if people called her fat. She was. Who cares? I didn't. She gave great head.

Apparently fat chicks give the best head because they're hungry

I've never dated a fat chick but I'm def. curious about it

fat chicks give better head because they have to.

This thread has really educational, thank you everybody for the educational thread. I hope it can keep up being such a useful contribution to our community. <3

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Come on Benny, you're funnier than that. That's a pretty cheap shot.

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I guess it fits right in with this thread then. Cheap, ignorant thoughts everywhere.

Can we have some 'that's racist' goodness now?

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fat chicks give better head because they have to.

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This wins. Still have a hard time getting head from a fat chick because I know that something else will be expected. No goddamn way am I returning the favour, nor fucking some fatty just because she needs to suck a dick.

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And here in lies the problem. Why the different reaction? If the word is offensive, it's offensive for anyone to use it. If a black person says I can't say a word that his black friends can use, then he's the one being racist. I can't use the word because I'm white? Hello discrimination.

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OngBonga, why do you wanna be part of this Black Police Association thing so bad? it's not all spin the bottle and truth and dare; it's mostly treasury meetings and paperwork . . . they might serve coffee but that's about it

on a more serious note, though, i assumed that they do, or at least can, have women police associations and disabled police associations and so forth. if they tried to form something like this and it was rejected because it included white people, then you'd have a point.

if they reject your proposed "White People Who Just Wanna Complain About How Joe Called Me a Poopyhead the Other Day Association," then i wouldn't really see this as discrimination. i'm guessing you would . . . agree to disagree?!

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OngBonga, why do you wanna be part of this Black Police Association thing so bad? it's not all spin the bottle and truth and dare; it's mostly treasury meetings and paperwork . . . they might serve coffee but that's about it

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You're missing the point. I don't want to be in their club.

Recently, the British National Party (facist political party) lost a court case in which they were ordered to admit black people who wish to join, since not allowing them to join is against the law. Of course, no black person wants to join them, but that didn't stop the courts saying they weren't allowed to refuse anyone entry based on skin colour.

It doesn't matter if I want to be in their club or not, it's about discimination. I don't want to see anyone, white or black, discriminated against by an institution that is supposed to strive for equality.

If it is illegal for an organisation to refuse entry to a black person based purely on colour, then it too should be illegal for an organisation to refuse entry to a white person just for being white. That would make the NPBA an illegal organisation, unless they change their policy.

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on a more serious note, though, i assumed that they do, or at least can, have women police associations and disabled police associations and so forth. if they tried to form something like this and it was rejected because it included white people, then you'd have a point.

if they reject your proposed "White People Who Just Wanna Complain About How Joe Called Me a Poopyhead the Other Day Association," then i wouldn't really see this as discrimination. i'm guessing you would . . . agree to disagree?!

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Why can't they just have one organisation to deal with equality as a whole?

And I'm not talking about white people blah blah poopy head, or whatever you're on about. I don;'t really want to see a white police association, that too would be racist. I want to see one body to deal with all forms of prejudice. That's isn't too much to ask, is it? At the very least I expect government agencies to treat whites and blacks as equals, then maybe the rest of society will begin to follow suit.

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If it is illegal for an organisation to refuse entry to a black person based purely on colour, then it too should be illegal for an organisation to refuse entry to a white person just for being white.

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It is. Do you know of a white person who wanted to join the Black Police Association and was denied?

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Just to clear one thing up, I don't use the term Paki, but I haven't got a problem with its use if it explicitly describes Pakistani people, and not people who look a bit like them. The term "Paki shop" was extremely common here in the UK in the 70's, the PC brigade have succeeded into turning a nickname for the corner shop into something offensive. The people who used the term didn't make it offensive, other people did. The term gollywog wasn't offensive when referring to the doll, until someone decided it was. Times are changing, soon it will be against the law to say "fat", we'll have to say "larger than average" or "horizontally challenged" or some shit.

I realise that some people are offended by certain words. If I know this when I meet someone, I try not to use those words. There are some words I obviously do not use in certain company, Paki is certainly one of those words. But then, I don't have a problem with these words so long as the context is not aggressive.

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see, but you're making the point for me here:

1) it's not against the law to use any word at all. i know you're being hyperbolic for effect, but there's a serious difference here. you can say whatever the fuck you want in the eyes of your gov't (except a few extreme cases of people hanging nazi flags at their campus and being asked to take it down or getting a more severe sentence for calling someone the N-word or calling them a fagot while assaulting them). you just might offend some people if you use certain words in certain contexts, and some might perceive you as a douche if you don't seem to care about it, and some might even call you the R-word for it.

2) it's NOT acceptable for you to call someone fat, and there are a million situations where people prefer to find different ways of expressing it, or just avoid it altogether. when i met the roommate i'd be living with and realized she was pretty hefty, i found a sly way of telling my girlfriend "she didn't need to worry about anything happening because she's far from attractive." what exactly i said wouldnt' make sense here because it's a bit of an inside joke, but the point is, if i'd said "don't worry, she's a big, fat slob," then there'd be a chance my girlfriend would think i was being a prick and be defensive OF A COMPLETE STRANGER! you might say my girlfriend (and most girls) are overly sensitive to this sort of thing, but i also know that there's a lot of pressure on girls to be attractive and in a lot of ways it's nailed into their heads that being fat is like the ultimate taboo and the worst thing you could possibly be (like a guy being gay), so it's a touchy subject. i don't wholly understand, but whatever, it's not worth it to convince every girl i talk to to stop being such a sappy pussy over the whole thing, and in the interest of not being an asshole, i accommodate.

there will NEVER be a law against saying "fat," but you can see that it operates in much the same way as other touchy subjects of discriminated peoples (even in the way that fat people can get away with making a lot more fat jokes, etc)

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It is. Do you know of a white person who wanted to join the Black Police Association and was denied?

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Not personally.

However, the organisation has come in for critisism from MPs.

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Ali Dizaei the former National President of National Black Police Association was jailed for perverting the course of justice in February 2010. Anjana Ahuja a British Asian reporter for The Times criticised the organisation for its vocal defence of Dizaei and called for its disbandment, calling it "pointless and possibly harmful", asking, "why partition members of the same profession along the lines of skin colour?[3]. Whereas Minette Marrin called the NBPA "racism in action" saying "if anything is institutionally racist, in the strict sense of the term, it is the existence of the NBPA itself: it is a separatist union for officers who call themselves black."[4] Conservative MP David Davies criticised the organisation, while speaking as a guest at a NBPA meeting, for not allowing white people to become full members, saying: "To me it is a shame that full membership of the BPA is open only to those of black, Asian or Middle Eastern origin."[5][6][7].

Their policy must change if they are to be taken seriously.

surviva...

I'm not sure about your claims. I think in this country, calling someone from Pakistan a Paki directly to their face would be a criminal offence. I don't know this for sure, but certainly racial hatred is indeed illegal. I guess the court would have to prove that your comments were based on hatred, or perhaps it's for the individual to prove it wasn't based on hatred. I don't know.

Calling someone fat I would say is normally worse than calling Chinese food a chinky. The difference is that usually when you call someone fat, it is intended as an insult. There's your context. It's not the word, it's the fact you're insulting someone.

Shall we just make it illegal to insult people in any way?

It's clearly hypocrisy at best and illegal at worst if they don't allow someone membership based on their race, sure.

But that just makes them as bad as a racist with white skin. No one is denying that is racism as well. The point is that making an issue of race is wrong, you're not able to justify your actions and words by saying, "well, they're doing it too", which is what your argument amounts to.

OngBonga,
Using your logic, would it be ok to refer to going to an Ethiopian restaurant as "going to the nigger"?

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It's clearly hypocrisy at best and illegal at worst if they don't allow someone membership based on their race, sure.

But that just makes them as bad as a racist with white skin. No one is denying that is racism as well. The point is that making an issue of race is wrong, you're not able to justify your actions and words by saying, "well, they're doing it too", which is what your argument amounts to.

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I think you're misinterpreting my position. My "well they're doing it too" argument is not an excuse to do it myself, it's an attempt to make people see that there is a great deal of hypocrisy when it comes to racism. I don't really care what they're doing or saying, so long as I have the same rights as them... I don't want more rights than anyone else, nor do I want any less. I want equality. Equality means we're all equal in the eyes of the law. That isn't the world I currently live in.

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So a question... is it acceptable for Americans to mock the English for having bad teeth? It doesn't offend me, but then what if I say it does? Does that make anyone who's offending me with such claims a racist? Of course not. I should lighten up.

But, I'm gonna be an arse for a minute (just a minute though). I don't like being called a Brit, it's either Briton or English. I also don't like white caucasian, I prefer Anglo-Saxon. I'm skinny, but I prefer the term lean. Finally, please don't ever refer to me as a dopehead, junkie or waster, I prefer stoner.

We can all be offended by whatever we want. I'm not saying people can't be. I don't care what offends people. All I care about is my intentions, that's all I can control. What offends others is their business.

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i already addressed this when i made the point about how you're a white, healthy, heterosexual male so you don't understand being offended by words or being discriminated against; this doesn't mean that people who DO get offended by certain things are stupid.

i think rilla makes really good points and words it really well (especially with the "that's my white male perspective, but does that make me wrong?"). we don't know what it's like, we CAN'T know what it's like, and we're just left guessing on a lot of things. like rilla, i'd like to think that in their shoes, i wouldn't get so offended, and in fact i have the type of sense of humor to where i'm pretty sure if i were fat i'd be the type of jolly fat guy who laughs at himself all the time, etc, so maybe i wouldn't be all up in arms if i had darker skin over people using certain words, etc?

point is, i don't know. i tend to give other people the benefit of the MASSIVE amount of doubt and play it on the safer side (the touchier the subject and the less i understand where the other person is coming from, the safer i tend, like i don't play it all that safe with terrorist jokes with BooG because it doesn't seem to be all that touchy of a subject, and i don't play it safe with jesusdiedlol jokes because i understand where they're coming from and i think it's all a heap of shit that i can't make jokes about it).

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Ethiopian restaurant

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Oxymorons itt

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Calling someone fat I would say is normally worse than calling Chinese food a chinky. The difference is that usually when you call someone fat, it is intended as an insult. There's your context. It's not the word, it's the fact you're insulting someone.

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if i called the store around the corner that had an obese woman working the cash register "the fatty," i assume that many girls would take offense to this.

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OngBonga,
Using your logic, would it be ok to refer to going to an Ethiopian restaurant as "going to the nigger"?

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I'd say not, but then if it were part of the lingo, and had been for decades, I might see it differently.

pretty sure i don't wanna get into the semantics of the R-word and how it's way overused and, thus, loses it's resonance with people 'cause that would just be way to long and epically boring for people who don't care about rhetoric as much as i do

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i already addressed this when i made the point about how you're a white, healthy, heterosexual male so you don't understand being offended by words or being discriminated against; this doesn't mean that people who DO get offended by certain things are stupid.

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It shouldn't matter whether I'm white, black, healthy or not. However, I do indeed know what it means to be discriminated against and called names, I had retard and spacker at school for years. It's not nice, but then it's not the worst thing that can happen. I'd rather be called a spastic than punched in the face.

And I never suggested that those who get offended are stupid... I said they were too sensetive.

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I'd say not, but then if it were part of the lingo, and had been for decades, I might see it differently.

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Tradition: just so long as it's been an acceptable action passed down through generations of white people, it's not racist.

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Oxymorons itt

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actually ate some ethiopian food some weeks ago. was very unusual, never had anything like it. can't say i fell in love with it but it was tasty nonetheless.

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It shouldn't matter whether I'm white, black, healthy or not. However, I do indeed know what it means to be discriminated against and called names, I had retard and spacker at school for years. It's not nice, but then it's not the worst thing that can happen. I'd rather be called a spastic than punched in the face.

And I never suggested that those who get offended are stupid... I said they were too sensetive.

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what's this should or shouldn't matter crap? it DOES matter! you can't change that. if you have not discriminatable quality about you, then you're not going to understand discrimination [period] being called names in grade school is NOOOOOOOOOT the same.

jesus, next thing you know you're going to accuse me of being racist for saying because i'm saying that black people are allowed to be discriminated against and you're not. THAT'S UNFAIR!

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actually ate some ethiopian food some weeks ago. was very unusual, never had anything like it. can't say i fell in love with it but it was tasty nonetheless.

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ethiopian food is the motherfucking bomb. a lot like Moroccan food.

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Tradition: just so long as it's been an acceptable action passed down through generations of white people, it's not racist.

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I would imagine that pretty much every race in the world has well established slurs for us, and in many instances, these words will be so common that they don't appear offensive to them. That's how chinky is seen in this country, at least in my experience. I'm actually yet to meet someone who has found the term genuinely offensive.

So kids at your school called you a retard? Do you actually have down syndrome? That would explain a lot actually.

Oh. And I can't wait for OngBonga to reveal that he is actually iopq and leveled us all.

Surviva, you're going off on a tangent now. You told me I didn't know what I meant to be discriminated against and called names, I told you that wasn't true, and now you tell me it doesn't matter anyway. After telling me it does matter.

Let's just make one thing clear... I'm autistic, which means calling me retarded is akin to calling a black man a nigger. Why should I consider that less offensive than racial slurs? I can't do anything about it, it's how I was born, so when someone calls me a retard, I don't care. It bothered me at school, because I just wanted to be friends with everyone, but now I don't give a crap at all. Maybe my experience at school made me less sensetive to other people's problems with name calling and discrimination, but then I had to deal with it, and did deal with it, so why can't everyone else?

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So kids at your school called you a retard? Do you actually have down syndrome? That would explain a lot actually.

Oh. And I can't wait for OngBonga to reveal that he is actually iopq and leveled us all.

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See above post.

You should create an organization for autistic people...and then let people that don't have autism (or have any kind of relationship with anybody that has autism) into the organization.

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I'd say not, but then if it were part of the lingo, and had been for decades, I might see it differently.

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The use of the word nigger is part of the lingo in some parts of the U.S., has been for decades, and is no less offensive because of it.

so ongbonga your claim is since you got over it thus everyone else should just get over it as well?

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You should create an organization for autistic people...and then let people that don't have autism (or have any kind of relationship with anybody that has autism) into the organization.

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Well, if I did create such a club, I certainly wouldn't discriminate against anyone who wanted to join.

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so ongbonga your claim is since you got over it thus everyone else should just get over it as well?

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Yup, something like that. Words used to upset me, they don't anymore because I refuse to be bullied by words. If someone wants to bully me, they'll have to punch me. Sticks and stones blah blah.

Well good then. Free game on calling you a retard.

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Well good then. Free game on calling you a retard.

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Fire away, you ethnic minority.

FYI, reading up on the controversies surrounding the NPBA is hilarious. It seems the NPBA came under criticism primarily for urging minorities not to join London's Metropolitan police force because of ...<drumroll> ... "racially hostile environment." Most of the Times' (Murdoch paper, if you didn't know) stuff is bashing the minority officers for publicly criticizing the Met force.

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OngBonga,
Using your logic, would it be ok to refer to going to an Ethiopian restaurant as "going to the nigger"?

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Oxymorons itt

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YouTube - Bizarre Foods - Raw Meat in Ethiopia

LOL so evil Boog

BTW damn that episode

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ethiopian food is the motherfucking bomb. a lot like Moroccan food.

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hahaha you're crazy

Ong, I'm pretty sure that someone smarter than I could use game theory to show that on an equal playing field with X players where Y is a majority and Q, Z, and K are all minorities, Y will come to dominate Q, Z, and K. Even if the bonds between members of all subsets of X are not particularly strong, collusion is sure to take place, and the majority will have an easier time successfully colluding.

I'd also like to point out that it is possible for all members of Y to reasonably claim that they are in no way racist. Yet their preferential actions as a whole create a racially imbalanced society.

Affirmative action, professional groups which cater to minorities, etc are all measures that seek to correct this naturally occurring imbalance. Are the the best solutions? I'm not sure.. there are probably better ones... but claiming that they are themselves the problem is just wrong.

Your argument is pretty much exactly the same as the libertarian claim, "Regulation just gets in the way of business and messes everything up!" The sad truth is that capitalism has no built in altruistic qualities.. take away regulation and we will see children in coal mines with a life expectancy around 25 years in no time. If we take away programs and organisations which set out to level the playing field, we will see the majority dominating and oppressing the minorities through collusion in no time.

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YouTube - Bizarre Foods - Raw Meat in Ethiopia

LOL so evil Boog

BTW damn that episode





hahaha you're crazy

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Meh people all over the world eat raw stuff, be it fish or meat. Europeans with their steak tartare, Japanese sashimi (also horse sashimi), and so on. Don't see raw meat per se as being "bizarre". Although the way it's presented there, it's pretty damn brutal! I definitely had some resistance to eating with my hands in that way, but somehow it makes the whole eating experience a LOT more carnal, if you know what I mean. Like you're supposed to have a wild orgy after the meal.

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Ong, I'm pretty sure that someone smarter than I could use game theory to show that on an equal playing field with X players where Y is a majority and Q, Z, and K are all minorities, Y will come to dominate Q, Z, and K. Even if the bonds between members of all subsets of X are not particularly strong, collusion is sure to take place, and the majority will have an easier time successfully colluding.

I'd also like to point out that it is possible for all members of Y to reasonably claim that they are in no way racist. Yet their preferential actions as a whole create a racially imbalanced society.

Affirmative action, professional groups which cater to minorities, etc are all measures that seek to correct this naturally occurring imbalance. Are the the best solutions? I'm not sure.. there are probably better ones... but claiming that they are themselves the problem is just wrong.

Your argument is pretty much exactly the same as the libertarian claim, "Regulation just gets in the way of business and messes everything up!" The sad truth is that capitalism has no built in altruistic qualities.. take away regulation and we will see children in coal mines with a life expectancy around 25 years in no time. If we take away programs and organisations which set out to level the playing field, we will see the majority dominating and oppressing the minorities through collusion in no time.

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This is probably the strongest argument against my position I've read in this thread. All I can say in response is that I don't see these groups themselves as the problem, they are just part of the problem. They do not succeed in bringing equality to the table, despite their intentions, they just further reinforce intolerance because they are exclusive.

I guess what I'm looking for is a playing field where there are X players and there are no majorites, because Y and Z don't consider themselves any different. Y=Z. But I know this isn't the real world. However, I feel it's important to recognise that's it's natural for humans to stick to their kind, as a rule to thumb. A lot of the Asians who come to England remain in their circle, they live in areas together and work together, meaning Y does not = Z. But people must understand, if minorities are given an advantage to counter the numbers advantage the majority have, then we are nowhere near acheiving equality.

I don't know what other solutions there are, if I knew then I'd be very famous indeed. All I know is that the way things are, there will always be inequality, and there will always be conflicting arguments about what it means to be racist, and how we should conduct ourselves.

All I can do is try not to offend people. If I do offend someone, well, I'll say sorry and leave them alone. I'll say to my friends "Why are people so fucking sensetive?", but I won't say that to the person I've upset. Will I change my behaviour? Perhaps, but it will be because I decide I am in the wrong, not because other people tell me. I'll decide for myself what's right and wrong.

I hate how sensitive people are these days. I can't even wack off in the park anymore without some prudish mother-type calling the cops on me.

If only everyone was as progressive as I, we all could wack off indiscriminately without fear of persecution.