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They should at least receive minimum wage. In all seriousness, I know that most of them have a full ride and shit, but they don't have time while in school to support themselves with a job. Why not just give them a per diem or something? I believe that this would stop a lot of the silliness.
they get a stipend
at a place like Ohio St. they'll end up receiving more than $250,000 is tuition, board, equipment, stipends, etc... over 4-5 years.
I do not feel bad for them one bit.
I don't feel bad for them either. I'm trying to figure out why they do dumb shit like this. I wasn't aware that any athlete at any school was getting a stipend.
It's been too long since you made minimum wage if you think it would stop you from making 2-3k in an hour.
Very true. But they have everything else handed to them. It will never happen because you have to pay every athlete and then tuition will increase, which tuition is already ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
I'm torn on the whole ban incident. They sold items that belonged to them. Although, these items were awarded to them for their performance. As a fan, I'm disappointed that they would sell these items because it shows how loyal they really are. But I guess I would be naive if I believed that they are loyal to the team and the school.
the whole 'it belonged to them thing' is a non starter to me - what if the rings were worth 20k? What if they got one for each big ten win? what if the school just gave them checks for the value of the ring?
def agree on the sadness, you have to suspend your disbelief to be a fan and every once in a while it comes crashing down. I assume the same thing happens with church going people.
imo the old white guys make millions of dollars off these neegs, and some of them get hurt and never get to make millions in the NFL, i think its retarded that we punish them for circumventing a broken system, i think we should come up with some base salary (not the obscene number that they get in the nfl or even a fraction of that but still something)....spenda mentioned stipends and the first article i read said that Dwayne jarret (former standout USC receiver) made about 900 a month in stipends....so thats not even 12 g's a year....wow lucky him...
I like this idea. Like a cash option or something. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
I agree. All I'm talking about is a little bit of spending money for clothes and tattoos. :) Some of these guys come from nothing. 1k a month with everything else that they have would be fine with me. I think that if they were making a legitimate small monthly stipend and they pulled the shit that these guys pulled, then I would say "come on man".Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
again, for someone making 1k per month, would they really say no to 2-3k in 1 second selling a ring?
I think it helps to examine "all the other stuff they get". Most of these guys don't want to go to class, and they don't want to live in the dorm. We view these as rewards, but they don't. If there was a "rookie" HS transfer league type option in the NFL college football would completely change. What they get from OSU is a chance to be on a national stage so they can take the next step. that's it. The rest is all hoops they have to jump through. of course they have fun and make friends yadda but all that would happen no matter what. They might love being a former OSU great when they are 40, but they don't care about it now.
I agree in theory that it's a bad/hypocritical system, but in practice I haven't heard a good solution yet. Just paying them lots of money seems like the only option, but it think it would change football dramatically - that football money pays for a lot of other stuff that doesn't make any money. It would be fine at OSU to pay starters say 30-50k and everyone else ~10k ish, but I would assume that would bankrupt a lot of the less successful schools and/or they would pay less and get even worse so you'd have to re-design the sport. I have long been a fan of blowing up the conference system so I'm game but most people don't seem to like that.
YouTube - Tyrod Taylor amazing 11 yard TD pass in Orange Bowl vs Stanford
Not a big fan of ACC teams but goddamn this kid is ridiculous. How was he not a Heisman candidate?
WAR EAGLE
the 2nd half says hiQuote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
The game is whatever.
But individually his season/career stats are pretty fucking impressive.
The same way I feel Cam Newton is overrated. I say Taylor is just as underrated.
From what I've seen, the only thing holding him back is VT's ungodly shitty OL
Yup, he was always insanely fun to watch. Shame how it ended.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
YouTube - Tyrod Taylor, Best of the 2010 ACC Championship Game
Newton's stats blow Taylor's out of the water this year, all the while playing in the SEC while Taylor played in what looks to be the 6th or 7th toughest conference in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
I tried telling people how overrated VaTech was and Stanford was free money at -3 but all they could say is how they won 10 straight, but against who and how much?
What do you think about Auburn vs Oregon?
Scholarship quandary: 'Full ride' isn't exactly a free ride | BuckeyeXtra
interesting article from the Columbus Dispatch re: full ride scholarships.
Cliffs: A full ride still leaves athletes about $3k short of the true cost.
As I stand defending VT, a team which is 0 and everything versus good opponents, I realize that I'm not standing on good footing, but 6th or 7th toughest?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
That's saying the Big East and MAC conferences are better than the ACC. I see that we lost to JMU, but you must also see that any given sunday says that just as VT could have won last night against Stanford, so could JMU have won against the Hokies. I'll take our team to win the majority just as you'd take Standford in the OB.
And yes, I'm fighting to see the ACC bumped up to 5th toughest.
Maybe Jimbo will bring FSU back. That would be cool.
Pretty sure Jimbo will.
Tyrod is really good but don't think he deserved to be in the Heisman watch no offense :(. ACC > MAC or Big East though.
And Spenda, was watching some high school all-star game with one of your QB recruits. I only watched a little but the kid looked solid. Congrats!
2 years ago the ACC had 10 bowl teams, no other league has done that. I will admit this was a weak year, but the ACC is a competitive conference top to bottom.
and we kill it in hoops anyway.
ps- i really hope fsu somehow gets invited to join the SEC i would be so happy.
:( not this year:(Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
the SEC has 10 this year
rilla, the MWC was tougher than the ACC
SEC
Big12
Big10
Pac10
MWC
ACC/BigEast
I think it's going to be fucking awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by couriermike
I'll accept the MW over the ACC if you acknowledge that the Big East is LOL bad and shouldn't be slashed with the ACC, who is just ha-ha bad.
edit, actually I take that back. I thought Boise was MW this year. ACC> Big East/MW.
MWC has
TCU (Beat #5 Wisconsin)
Utah (lost to BSU)
Air Force (Beat Georgia Tech...from the ACC)
SDSU (whipped a pretty good Navy team)
BYU (down year but still went bowling and won big)
I'll concede the ACC is better than the Big East
USATODAY.com
doesnt include bowl results, but saragin (someone i respect more than the football savant (sorry spenda)) has us as 5th so suck our balls
Yeah, suck our balls, the USA Today says so.
Only the ACC can turn a legit beat into a brag :/
in before every ACC fans famous words:
"Just wait 'til next year"
Yeah, but just wait until next year. Tyrod as a 5 year starter will basically be unlocking God mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
Tyrod is gone isn't he
That's what I was thinking.
He was redshirted his So. year but they took it off since their starter was the NCAA equivalent of Jake Delhomme.
This TE that's supposed to be taking over Taylor's spot doesn't look like a bad replacement though.
lol picking up blocked punts is hard
Oh man, silly NCAAF rule about being down without people touching you. DAYUMMMMMM
Ohio State, you should try less hard at giving the game away!
classic tressel turtle game, good times. wheeeeeeeeeeeee
I have never heard an explanation why the down by contact rule is different in the NCAA vs. NFL, anyone have a clue?
O-H! I-O!
no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
guess: both rules are basically arbitrary, one chose one and the other chose the other
if arkansas scores there at the end, is their punter the MVP? that has to be the best punting + coverage ever.
Yeah, he's gone. The joke was like a double whammy of sadness.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
Talk about a meltdown. I thought for sure that they were going to hand the game to Rkansas. tOSU did a total 180 in the second half. But that's typical Tressel ball.
As a future fan of the Big 10, I (swallows hard) am glad (projectile vomit) OSU (shits bed) won.
*weeps uncontrollably*
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Woot! Today is the day. Go, Tigers!
Go Not-Oregon!!
GO DUCKS
Go Ducks!
Auburn FTW not just because I gradimated from there but because they are the better team.
I'm a rarity in Alabama because I graduated from Auburn but I'm an Alabama fan (I went to Alabama too)
Well I'm still pissed about that 2006 OU-OU "controversy", so Go Not-Oregon!!!
:( gg...guess spenda +ensign lee were right and i was wrong, i guess when you have over a month to prepare even the most dynamic offenses can be solved.
one thing about that play where dyer took it to the 23 with like a minute left or w/e....its kinda shitty for oregon bc he was standing there as if the play was over, so if they go up and lay him out they are almost certainly going to get a penatly..but yea gg, auburns d played lights out and fairly had an incredible game...both qb's looked pretty human imo...dyers gonna be nasty...
my question about if he was down....what about the play in the Ohio State/Arkansas game where they said his wrist hit the ground so he was down? same thing here, right? not that this one play makes or breaks anything, but still.
either way, fun game to watch. a friend that wasn't watching the game texted me and said, "wow, third quarter and it's only 19-11. offenses are sucking, huh?" Nope, the defenses were pretty good...
did we just witness the worst close game in BCS history?
Philly, I think the 5+ weeks are more detrimental to the O than the D, no rhythm whatsoever in the first quarter for either team.
Also Auburn wasn't even that good of an SEC defense. I was really happy with how A&M's O performed against LSU who along with Bama and TCU were probably the 3 elite Ds in CFB this year.
yea i agree about them not even being that great, i pointed out earlier itt that they allowed some numbers this year. And i also agree about the huge hiatus being more beneficial for the D.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
it will be awesome next year when TCU plays undefeated pac/big 10 team x and the SEC doesn't get a chance to go for 6 in a row.
They allowed big numbers tonight between the 20sQuote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
you play through the whistle...Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
no whistle = keep tackling
auburn's red zone defense was awesome, oregon looked really good too, very close game
yeah that wrist call had to be one of the goofiest ever, to my eyes both guys were not down. seems like they should clarify the rule to say ELBOW is down, below that is up.Quote:
Originally Posted by UG
from TMQ:
Quote:
Should the play have ended? NCAA rules say a runner is down if "any part of his body other than his hands or feet" contact the ground, and it sure looks on replay like his wrist was on the ground, ending the play. Dyer clearly thought the down was over! Kevin Lehde, a high school football official in North Carolina and a TMQ co-conspirator, notes that when Dyer stood up and made no attempt to advance, his forward progress stopped, and officials could have ended the play for that reason: "The rule book is clear that the runner going down stops the play, not the whistle. If Dyer himself thought he was down, I would be fine with the official blowing the play dead while he's rolling over the defender, with the explanation that his forward progress was stopped."
There's a point that announcers often get wrong. At the high school, NCAA and NFL levels alike, it's the action of the play, not the whistle, that ends the play: The whistle is only a signal to stop. If a player drops to the ground and the whistle doesn't sound, then a defender pile-drives into the player, that can be flagged as a late hit -- "late" despite no whistle, because the action of the play has ended the play. As Dyer was rolling over the Ducks' defender, Oregon's Zac Clark pulled up and did not dive into Dyer. Clark thought the action of the play had ended the play, and was avoiding a late hit. Had Clark driven his body into Dyer, the 37-yard run never would have occurred. But there's a high likelihood officials would have thrown a flag for unnecessary roughness, judging the down was ended -- though the replay booth later said the down had not ended.
yea lukie take that
I stand corrected.
The 'Noles currently have the nation's #1 class per ESPN, featuring 11 ESPNU150 players -- the most in the country and more than the rest of the ACC combined.
Good, the ACC needs it.
We lost Ryan Williams to the draft as well, he's like the #4 or 5 RB on some boards.
Not yet ready for a new NCAA thread.
Sources: Ohio State Coach Jim Tressel was encouraged to resign | BuckeyeXtra
yea i say we just keep this running forever....i cant believe it came to that though....michigan fans everywhere are fist pumping (in b4 bikes and dr anger)
Yeah, I think college football would benefit from coaches with less salary and less turnover.
He was good, but it's common to think "For X million dollars, we should have better."
I'm a fan of finding a good coach and sticking with 'em. Tressel is a good coach.
I'm disappointed in the Tressel resignation (firing?) and can't help but look at what has happened to USC the last couple years as a recent historical precedent.
I feel like anything less than a Big 10 Championship in our first season in the conference will be a big disappointment. GO BIG RED!!!
no one wants better, we just need (not want) clean. has nothing to do with football or salary.Quote:
He was good, but it's common to think "For X million dollars, we should have better."
There are two options:
a) most/all big programs are dirty
b) osu is dirty
if it's b, you have to fire tressel.
But we all know it's A. This stuff happens at all legit programs. It's part of being legit. So the trick is to hid it better than everyone else. Once people start looking, you get caught always. These are 19 year olds, not white collar crime experts.
So the only thing you can do when it gets to this point is fire the coach and act like it was his fault. That kills most of the media. then you sit around and wait for someone else to get caught and that kills the rest. The people who are really high 5ing this week are at USC. Soon enough something else will happen (Cam Newton maybe) and OSU can go back to being nice and clean.
lol me and my friend have a bet goign on how many years until Newtons heisman gets taken away like bush's. He has less than 3 years, i have the over.
wait whatQuote:
Originally Posted by kingnat
You playin ball this year, bigred?
And people are cheering for me!
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
this is actually a bad beat for you guys I think. Still a great chance to beat OSU obv but you were going to get theQuote:
Originally Posted by kingnat
'super controversial squad with Tress and the gang all coming back trying to find a rhythm on the road in a big game'
now you may get
'us against the world we have no bowl game so we have to win the regular season title and a QB with no car' team.
Spurrier proposes new way to pay athletes - SEC Blog - ESPN
at least its a start.....300 a game doesnt seem like much, thats what 3600 a year -___-...obviously this isnt goign to fly, like the article says, theres no way just 1 league would be paying its players in 1 sport, it would hvae to be some sort of national legislation. But still at least we get people talking.
Justice Department to meet with executive director Bill Hancock of BCS this summer - ESPN ....DOJ doing something good? head asplode.
Tech fined $100,000, forced to vacate 2009 ACC title by NCAA | Georgia Tech
With the UNC things going on, the ACC is starting to look like the SEC without the national titles
sick burn =(
Hopefully they'll be forced to fire their coach so we don't have to play that lame-ass triple option offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
You watch your whore mouth when you're talking about the triple option, son.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
No Clemson, You Did Not Win the 2009 ACC Championship | Other Stuff
So technically, nobody else won an ACC championship when T. Taylor played for Va Tech. Pretty sick. I really like that kid and hope he breaks through in the NFL.
hail hail to michigan another shitty fucking year.
{insert overused Appalachian State joke}
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I was just at App State last weekend. They really do pride their football team. I guess rightfully so but...
Time for Sean Glennon's brother to dominate the ACC the next two years.
Tough legacy to live up to :/Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
:highfive: thank UUUUUUUU canesQuote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
THUG U shows us once again how to fail
The story is hilarious though, I fucking hate Miami with a passion.
Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o...er06/QiQ29.jpgQuote:
Hurricanes booster Nevin Shapiro described a sustained, eight-year run of rampant NCAA rule-breaking, some of it with the knowledge or direct participation of at least seven coaches from the Miami football and basketball programs. At a cost that Shapiro estimates in the millions of dollars, he said his benefits to athletes included but were not limited to cash, prostitutes, entertainment in his multimillion-dollar homes and yacht, paid trips to high-end restaurants and nightclubs, jewelry, bounties for on-field play (including bounties for injuring opposing players), travel and, on one occasion, an abortion.
HUZZAH MICHIGAN
anyone but georgia, diagf mark richt stupid wanker
Glennon looked pretty good. Doesn't look off any receivers and didn't pick up blitzes. All-in-all, the ACC is in trouble. Wilson looked awful in his debut for Wisconsin (Wisconsin looked pretty bad) so I for one am glad to have an upgraded QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropTheBanana
NC State had an overall great game. We were able to pull away from Liberty late in the 4th quarter.
The ACC in orange and maroon are solid state. 1 and 0 was the only thing holding us back these past few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
QB for App State knows. He said he wouldn't classify the Hokies as an elite team. I can't even imagine what's greater than elite.
LOLOL Abortion.
Also, MICHIGAN STATE. RAWR.
Why, college football... so nice to see you again this weekend.
This might sound arrogant and if it is, it is. We're Michigan.
HAIL HAIL TO MICHIGAN! HAIL TO THE WOLVERINES!