Randomness thread, part two.

lol at someone losing an eye because a coin was thrown at them from 100 feet away. That's some surgical fucking precision coin chucking there.

Even assuming it hits you in the eye, it's not going to dislodge it from your head. It's a fucking coin, not an ice pick.

You can question whether it's worse to be called names than to have small hard objects thrown at you from a distance. But don't try to pretend any of those objects posed a serious threat to that guy's health. He wasn't going to wake up in the hospital with one eye because he got hit by a £1 coin thrown at him.

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Psshhh. C'mon, Cocco.

If you wanna talk about the ripple effect of public displays of bigotry going unchecked and leading to widespread persecution, then I'll listen.

Otherwise... just c'mon with that nonsense.

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I was talking about emotional harm in general, not just about bigotry or racism. My point is that none of us can categorically say whether tossing a lighter at someone or doing a monkey impression is worse, it depends on the outcome and the experience of the subject, which may vary from one extreme to the other.

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Why is physical harm categorically worse than emotional harm? Both can effectively kill, and physical scars often heal better with time. There's a whole variety of actions that comprise each, but I wouldn't outright say one is always worse than the other.

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Emotional harm can physically kill? Really? Are you referring to suicide? Because I hate to break it to you, those who commit suicide tend to succumb to the physical harm they inflict upon themselves, rather than the emotional harm someone else inflicted upon them.


I find it hard to believe that people really think the two are comparable.

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lol at someone losing an eye because a coin was thrown at them from 100 feet away. That's some surgical fucking precision coin chucking there.

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Have you ever flopped a Royal Flush? I have, once.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...inded-11259793
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...n-1454355.html


It happens.

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Even assuming it hits you in the eye, it's not going to dislodge it from your head. It's a fucking coin, not an ice pick.

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See links above.

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But don't try to pretend any of those objects posed a serious threat to that guy's health. He wasn't going to wake up in the hospital with one eye because he got hit by a £1 coin thrown at him.

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Mark raven did. I'm surprised you didn't feel compelled to research this before assuming coins are not potentially dangerous missiles.

@cocco
There's a difference between the smattering of racism directed at me in a year and the barrage of racism directed at some black people. The historical significance of the situation can't be ignored.

When talking about incidents of hate speech against black people, you're not really talking about isolated incidents, but an ongoing pattern. The individual incidents of harassment don't cause much harm on their own. It's when that is elevated to a pattern of oppression that things fall apart.

So no, I don't think you can say that an individual making racist comments or gestures is equivalent to the direct and immediate physical threat that is assault.

Both are deplorable, but one is effectively benign when taken in isolation, and the other is not.

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Mark raven did. I'm surprised you didn't feel compelled to research this before assuming coins are not potentially dangerous missiles.

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Not a player. Surprised you didn't research that.

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So no, I don't think you can say that an individual making racist comments or gestures is equivalent to the direct and immediate physical threat that is assault.

Both are deplorable, but one is effectively benign when taken in isolation, and the other is not.

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Meh, but this isn't someone walking by someone else on the street and making a monkey noise. It's done in front of a whole stadium full of people. That can't be a good feeling for the person it's directed at.

I think I'd rather take my chances with a coin hurled from 50 feet away than be subjected to that, personally.

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Not a player. Surprised you didn't research that.

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Really? You can't just say something like "ok I was wrong, you can lose an eye thanks to having a coin thrown at you"?

Poor show.

I mean, if you really want a footballer, I don't think a player has actually lost an eye yet. Can't find anything by googling. But it's a matter of time. Could be next week, could be next century, but it will happen if fans continue to throw coins at them.

Here's Rio Ferdinand who got lucky...
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012...57_634x402.jpg

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Emotional harm can physically kill? Really? Are you referring to suicide? Because I hate to break it to you, those who commit suicide tend to succumb to the physical harm they inflict upon themselves, rather than the emotional harm someone else inflicted upon them.

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Suicide, murder, honor killings, school shootings, to name a few. The physical harm inflicted upon themselves is caused by the emotional harm. I do find it interesting though how easy it is for many people to not see this direct causation, or see it as the fault of the victim.

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So no, I don't think you can say that an individual making racist comments or gestures is equivalent to the direct and immediate physical threat that is assault.

Both are deplorable, but one is effectively benign when taken in isolation, and the other is not.

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I'd probably not characterize people tossing coins and lighters as assault, more like harassment. I don't claim to understand how a black person would feel being subjected to a monkey impersonation, but I'm also pretty sure that a non-insignificant portion of people would have a more severe and long-lasting effect from it than from ducking small flying objects.

But still, none of that was my point. My point is that for some reason people see physical harm (rightly) as abhorrent, but tend to belittle emotional harm, which can be just as bad.

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Suicide, murder, honor killings, school shootings, to name a few. The physical harm inflicted upon themselves is caused by the emotional harm. I do find it interesting though how easy it is for many people to not see this direct causation, or see it as the fault of the victim.

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I guess I'm just less sympathetic to emotional harm than I am physical harm. It's not that I don't see the correlation, it's more that I think emotional harm can be overcome by not being such a fucking pussy. I know that sounds harsh, but when I was at school, we had the proverb "sticks and stones" drummed into us. It's basically a family friendly way of saying "don't be such a fucking pussy".

It's really hard to offend me. Really hard. If you said something really offensive, I'd just laugh at how the reflects on you, rather than being upset about it. And on the few occasions I do get shitty because of something someone said to me, it's always because I'm already in a bad mood for whatever reason, and I always reflect on it and think to myself "I wish I'd handled that better". If someone punches me and gives me a black eye, there's not much I can do about the throbbing pain that comes with it. I can't "man up" and the swelling suddenly stops. Emotional pain is self induced, it's a personal weakness that can be overcome.

And for clarity, I'm not talking about people in mourning, divorcees, or victims of trauma etc. That's a different beast altogether, only sociopaths can overcome this kind of emotional pain with relative ease. But being insulted? Grow a pair.

Millenials are being taught it's ok to be a pussy. I don't think that's a good social message to send out. I think that just creates a culture of victimhood.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree, to an extent. It's not particularly easy to offend me either, though I'm certainly not immune to it. I do get my panties in a bunch on occasion, but according to people that know me, far less than most. A lot of people can just shrug off even harsh verbal or emotional attacks. Not everyone can. The punch stings for a while, but at worst a few days and it doesn't usually leave permanent damage. The same goes for verbal attacks, but they both have an (I would say) equal potential for that.

It can be easy to label someone as a pussy if you don't have context. Sure, some people I guess just are "extra sensitive", but I would imagine a lot of time there are reasons for that, like less than supportive parents, a history of bullying etc. For someone whose dad's been telling them their whole life they're a loser, some stranger saying that may pack quite a bit more punch, for example.

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But still, none of that was my point. My point is that for some reason people see physical harm (rightly) as abhorrent, but tend to belittle emotional harm, which can be just as bad.

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Sorry for the tangent, then.

It's the "can be" part that I'm sensitive to. I don't think we actually disagree or at worst aren't far from direct agreement on this.
In another post, you say:

[quote/cocco]The punch stings for a while, but at worst a few days and it doesn't usually leave permanent damage.[/quote]
The danger is when the next punch comes in less than 3 days.

An individual occurrence is kinda just a "sticks and stones" situation. The ongoing pattern is not.

All of which, I think, is a paraphrase of what you've said.

I also back up your point that thousands of people saw this incident.
The reach of the event elevates the need to censure the offending parties.

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Sure, some people I guess just are "extra sensitive", but I would imagine a lot of time there are reasons for that, like less than supportive parents, a history of bullying etc. For someone whose dad's been telling them their whole life they're a loser, some stranger saying that may pack quite a bit more punch, for example.

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Let me tell you something about my childhood. My Mother left my Father when I was 4, and we (me and my brothers) stayed with Dad. He married a horrible woman, who took pleasure in beating us and playing mind games. She'd regularly tell us "you're not normal", things like that, trying her damned best to destroy our confidence. But it made me mentally stronger. I think to myself "if I can get through that as a kid, I can take an insult on the chin as an adult". You're going to have to get really dirty to offend me, like bringing dead relatives into it, that sort of stuff. Or get lucky with my mood, push a button at the right time. I'm not immune to being an asshole, but I'm close to immune from being offended by words. I just bite back sometimes. And I've got all the excuses I need, if I were so inclined, to cry about my childhood and blame it for my failings as an adult. But I don't.

I justb think it's healthy to try and be stronger, to rise above it. When someone hits you, sure the pain does after a day or two, but maybe you're now scared of that person, looking over your shoulder. That kind of think can last a long time, and it's perfectly reasonable because you worry maybe next time it'll be worse than a black eye.

This is why I think coin throwing is so much worse than monkey chanting. The racist twat will very likely get caught. The coin thrower probably won't. The coin thrower is trying to hurt you. The racist twat is trying to get into your head. You have the power to stop one, but not the other.

Cocco, your point can be granted, but you're still left with a deficit since physical harm often causes emotional harm.

boost...
Bring back culinary pimpin.


I'm prob. going to be in Chicago for most of a day on March 6.

You still living there?
Wanna meet up and eat some food on a Friday in March?

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Cocco, your point can be granted, but you're still left with a deficit since physical harm often causes emotional harm.

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True, but likewise you could say emotional harm can cause physical harm. I'm not trying to argue one's worse than the other, but that both are equally bad. Yet a lot of the time only one of them is taken seriously.

MMM:

Meh, I rarely cook anything interesting, and food porn is pretty passe nowadays. Also this forum is all but dead-- we've got a few active posters and a few active threads, there isn't much that's going to change that.

But, yeah, let's get some food in March.

Yeah, I get your point, I just think you take it too far. Emotional harm being undervalued doesn't mean that it needs to be seen as equal to physical harm.

"yeah, let's get some food in March."

Woohoo!

I'll let you know more details as we get closer to the date.

Just found the show Taskmaster via YouTube recommendations.

Hilarious. I've lolled at every episode, I think.

There's only shows up to halfway through season 3 on YouTube.

Just watched Ong Bak, a Thai film, and remembered it where I got my name from. Ong Bak is a statue of Buddha, revered by villagers. Ong Bonga is the god of bongs, or something like that anyway. Seemed funny at the time.

Anyway, that's why Ong Bonga.

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Just watched Ong Bak, a Thai film, and remembered it where I got my name from. Ong Bak is a statue of Buddha, revered by villagers. Ong Bonga is the god of bongs, or something like that anyway. Seemed funny at the time.

Anyway, that's why Ong Bonga.

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Ahh, Ong Bak.

My missus had quite the crush on Tony Jaa. At least until she heard him speak lol

I have quite the crush on the girl who plays Muay.

Pumwaree Yodkamol. I had to google that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-henZVmyxVc

What is a Nuremberg trial? Asking for a friend.

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Taskmaster

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There's something I understand less than Brexit.

Taskmaster is a Brittish TV comedy gameshow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Yh...F5zT351eUyYozM


Or if you didn't mean you don't understand what I'm talking about, but just meant that you don't understand the appeal of the show, then...

Yeah. Comedy is subjective.

No I mean I literally don't understand what's going on in that show.

I guess it's like Fishcenter, but on real TV, not Adult Swim?
I mean I know what an Eric Andre is... I guess Taskmaster caught me off-guard with its production value. (I have seen about 30 seconds of Taskmaster as of right now)

Had to look up Fishcenter on Wikipedia. I'm shocked that Adult Swim is still a thing more than anything.

At any rate, no. It's not like that.

Watch the first 10 minutes or so of any episode and you'll know what you're in for, IMO.
I'm guessing that the first task will have at least started by that point.

Unfortunately, I find the opening bit to be a boring one. The whole, "the contestants supply the prizes" bit, I mean.
So skip that and just get to the first task if you want to see what the show's really like.

This is just complete bullshit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platybelodon

Worst animal ever!

Am I missing something there? What's wrong with an extinct animal related to the elephant?

I notice the picture is from a museum in Wuhan. Topical.

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may have used the sharp incisors that formed the edge of the "shovel" more like a modern-day scythe

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Is clearly the elephant grim reaper.
Very spooky for elephants.

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Am I missing something there? What's wrong with an extinct animal related to the elephant?

I notice the picture is from a museum in Wuhan. Topical.

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https://i.imgur.com/a8K90Dq.jpg

bullshit animal

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n_grangeri.jpg
It's going to look pretty fucking weird, whether or not that drawing is accurate or not.

This drawing of a close relative is probably closer to reality.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Amebelodon.jpg

Still not good.

The whole genus is fucked. Look at this abomination:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinotherium

Whoever discovered it straight up called it 'bad animal' in latin.

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The whole genus is fucked. Look at this abomination:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinotherium

Whoever discovered it straight up called it 'bad animal' in latin.

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How did you started on this topic?

(btw, that shovelphant thing is defo weird.)

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How did you started on this topic?

(btw, that shovelphant thing is defo weird.)

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I got tricked into following a lot of trans people on twitter by the chapo trap house subreddit . I'm not exactly sure how that happened, but it's dozens and I didn't catch on until my entire feed was shit like this:
https://i.imgur.com/TxEq2Ef.png
https://twitter.com/Devon_OnEarth/st...073382912?s=20
I know it's not politically correct, but these people are not of a healthy mind. "better" than elephants... christ... coming from a so-called biology teacher. Terrifying!

Anyone who understand evolution to even a basic degree should know it's not about "worse" to "better". Evolution happens because of changing environments. There's creatures that exist today that have hardly changed in millions of years, that's because they're perfectly adapted for their environment and it hasn't changed. Those hard bastards that feed on sulphur at volcanic vents at the bottom of the ocean are a prime example.

And these people are being elephantist. I identify as an elephant and I find their hatred staggering in this day and age.

Yeah, seems to a lack basic knowledge of evolution. If the shovelphant was "better" it wouldn't have adapted to become an elephant.

And how the fuck do you get 4500 likes for saying something stupid and posting some drawings of weird extinct animals?

Wait, aren't they agreeing with you guys, pointing out that evolution is not a progress from worse to better, but then tongue in cheek "proving it" by claiming beta versions of elephants are objectively better?

Also, from the beta elephants' perspective, modern elephants are all Mitch McConnell elephants.

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Anyone who understand evolution to even a basic degree should know it's not about "worse" to "better".

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WRONG!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOwQ6asX...g&name=900x900

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https://i.imgur.com/akcRZ0g.jpg

So apparently, in a celebration of Brexit, Guernsey (island in the English channel that is part of the British Empire, but closer to France than to the UK) decided to deny French fishermen rights to fish their waters on Feb. 1. The next day, the French retaliated by not allowing Guernsey fishermen to offload their catches in Normandy. The fish rotted, Guernsey backed down, and things are back to the way they were Jan. 30.

Brexit, fuck yeah!

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(Oh, but you won't hear about this from the BBC. Only the French are covering it.)

https://www.ouest-france.fr/normandi...xQuRNq9NtzKmeI

Well I did my bit. I had fish and chips for dinner tonight.

I wanna say even the Romans afforded the channel islands special privileges as far as controlling the waters and trade near the islands.

One of the YouTube gamers I follow lives in Jersey, and occasionally talks about the island, so at one point I looked it up on Wiki to figure out why it's so close to France, but controlled by the UK.
Turns out the history of France and the UK is like Lucy and Desi. Married, divorced, married, divorced, true love, forever war, our leaders love your country so much we speak your language instead, your language is stupid and we want to slap it off your face.

Lol.

You might be aware, but in England we have the "two finger salute", a reverse V-for-victory hand gesture, similar in offensiveness to the "middle finger" in USA. The big difference is the history... the "two finger salute" dates back to a time of war between England and France (the Battle of Agincourt in 1415 to be precise). If the French caught an English archer, they would cut their fingers off to render them ineffective at archery. This was cheaper and easier than killing them, no POW camps and no mass graves. So, the English archers would show the French their fingers as a way of mocking them on the battlefield.

This account is disputed, but there are depictions of the English "flicking the Vs" at the French in tapestries and medieval illustrations, so it's likely there's at least some truth to it, even if what I just suggested isn't perfectly accurate.

Guess you've seen this before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s

Back in ye olde days, the French controlled Quebec and the English everything in Canada west of that. Then one day they had a battle on a field the size of a soccer pitch in Quebec City, involving less than 10k total men on both sides. The English won, and took all of Quebec as a prize. Pretty sweet win.

I can't say the word "knight" properly anymore thanks to Monty Python.

kerrrrr-niggets

If I "won" Quebec in a raffle, it'd be on eBay next day with an opening bid of 99p.

C'est folles.

Montreal has some of the sexiest women in the world. Fact.

I didn't know Montreal was in Japan.

Japanese porn has ruined japanese women for me.

The key is to watch lesbian Japanese porn.

I know what you mean though. I can't say I find it a turn on when they have "please don't touch me there" body language. I don't know if it's a cultural thing or if it's just something they do in porn because they think it's what people want to see, but it can feel a bit rapey.

It's for this reason I stick with solo and lesbian porn when it comes to Japan. Or cosplay. God fucking damn Japanese cosplay.

Japanese porn is like watching something from another planet.

Wtf is with the squeaky moaning the women do? It's like listening to a mouse get laid.

Wtf is with the pixellated genitals? You can watch all kinds of gore in Japan but god forbid you see what a vagina really looks like instead of it looking like hamburger.

Wtf is with all the incest? At least pretend it's a step-relation if you want to go that way. It's just fucking creepy watching a movie where some guy is supposed to be boning his own daughter.

And yeah, that's not an overall sexy race of women, sorry. No hips, usually no tits. All have the same hair and rarely are they very pretty. I'll take an Indian or Latina or white woman over a Japanese one pretty much every day. I only watch Jap porn when I get bored with proper porn.

I do have to admit though the Japanese have a much more creative approach to porn movie plots than we do. One thing I remember seeing was some race where there were five or six women on gocarts that had automated dildos fucking them while they raced around the track. Then they'd go in for a pit stop and get a crew working on them, oiling them up, and one guy would fuck them while they polished the go cart. Lmfao that was funny.

On another note, when someone says shit like this guy about wanting to throw someone off a bulding they should take him straight for an MRI of his brain. I bet 9/10 times they'd find a hole in his frontal lobes. Then they could say 'yeah sorry mate you got brain damage we can't let you wander around free'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-513898...channel=social

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Wtf is with the squeaky moaning the women do? It's like listening to a mouse get laid.

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I don't really have a problem with squeaky moaning. It's better than tennis grunts, and much more preferable to men moaning. Men in porn should be completely silent.

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Wtf is with the pixellated genitals? You can watch all kinds of gore in Japan but god forbid you see what a vagina really looks like instead of it looking like hamburger.

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If you're up to it, google > tubgirl. Warning, NSFW and very fucking gross. It's funny though, very funny. Basically, there's a woman in a bath tub with a stream of projectile diarrhea arcing from her arse to her mouth, but her vagina is pixellated to preserve her dignity. Classy touch.

Not all Japanese porn is pixellated though.

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Wtf is with all the incest? At least pretend it's a step-relation if you want to go that way. It's just fucking creepy watching a movie where some guy is supposed to be boning his own daughter.

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This isn't the kind of Japanese porn I find.

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I'll take an Indian or Latina or white woman over a Japanese one pretty much every day. I only watch Jap porn when I get bored with proper porn.

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The problem with Indians, Latina and white women is they too often shave their pussies. The Japanese usually have nice hairy bushes. That's a big plus. Also, them fucking eyes. It's not just the Japanese I like, it's all of them... Chinese, Thai, Korean, Vietnamese, all the slitty eyed girls are beautiful. It's a personal preference I guess, I've always had slightly strange taste in women.

https://cdn2.stylecraze.com/wp-conte...-Yamashita.jpg

This bitch is a clear ten.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a3/00/5f/a...5156a89a60.jpg

Latina bitch - 9.5

https://cdn.cltampa.com/files/base/s..._pictures5.jpg

Kari from Mythbusters - 11

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...c6&oe=5ED30A93

Ju Wenjun - 11

https://kyliesarse.files.wordpress.c...igue_30041.jpg

Kylie's arse - 10

Tell me you've googled tubgirl. It will amuse me to know I've inflicted that on someone.

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Tell me you've googled tubgirl. It will amuse me to know I've inflicted that on someone.

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If you want to inflict something on someone it works better if you don't warn them what it is.

(But thanks for the warning, I def do not want to see that)

When I was your age we used to play UT maps where every texture was tubgirl, and it made us stronger!

prn for ong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahrn-141vdA

^ They forgot to pixellate the tentacles.

I just surprised myself. Challenged to name ten people from the 15th century, I got six out of ten, with one answer being just two years out, and none being more than a century out.

Anyone fancy a go at beating me?

Here are my answers...

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Henry VII - born 1457
Henry VIII -born 1491
Catherine of Aragon-born 1485
Anne Boleyn - born 1501 -FAIL
Walter Raleigh - born 1552 - FAIL
Galileo -born 1564 -FAIL
Christopher Columbus - born 1451
Richard III -born 1452
William Tell -legend dates back from 1307 -FAIL
Henry VI - born 1421

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I just surprised myself. Challenged to name ten people from the 15th century, I got six out of ten, with one answer being just two years out, and none being more than a century out.

Anyone fancy a go at beating me?

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1400s, that's old. Most of these are guesses.

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Chris Columbus
Ponce de Leon (1500s?)
Charles of Spain
Charles's wife Isabella
Mehmed the Ottoman Guy
Oliver Cromwell
Guy Fawkes (1500s?)
William the Conqueror
Mary Queen of Scots (1500s?)
Robin Hood
Ivan the Terrible
Pope Pius and the other pope at Avignon guy

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Columbus - easy win
Ponce was born 1480s -win
It was Ferdinand and Isabella who financed Columbus, Charles became King in 1516 -1 for 2
Mehmet -born 1432 - win
Cromwell- b 1599 - way off
Fawkes - b 1570 - way off
Wiiliam the Conq. -11th century - lolbad
Mary - b 1542
Robin Hood - first mention in 1300s
Ivan - b. 1530
Avignon happened in 1300s. there probably was a pope pius in 1400s but not the guy i was thinking of


So I got 4. In my defense, my country has no history from this time period.

First two are good.
Third answer is out by a single year, and his wife was younger.
Fifth answer is way too ambiguous.
Sixth born 1599, just within a century.
Seventh was indeed 1500s
William the Conqueror is a really bad answer, he conquered England in 1066, a very famous date.
Ninth answer is 1500s, not bad.
Tenth is 13th/14th century according to wikipedia.
Eleventh born 1530
And the popes... There's a lot of Pope Pius', and the other one I can't figure out who you're referring to but it seems to be between the period from 1309 to 1376.

You did as well as I expected to. Half decent effort but no cigar.

I was somewhat lucky if I'm honest. My history is poor, but there's one battle I remembered well and it led me to five correct answers.

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And the popes... There's a lot of Pope Pius', and the other one I can't figure out who you're referring to but it seems to be between the period from 1309 to 1376.

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There was a thing where there was a kerfuffle in the Church and the French (I think) decided to have their own pope. That pope sat at Avignon. About all I know about it.

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I have no idea who he is, but there's a lot of people who it could be from my ignorant pov. You'll have to check if you're right on that one.

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I have no idea who he is, but there's a lot of people who it could be from my ignorant pov. You'll have to check if you're right on that one.

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Mehmet II. He's the one who took Istanbul from the Byzantines, which pretty much set off the Ottoman Empire. There was one Mehmet before him and a bunch after, but he was the one who's famous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_the_Conqueror

That's a good answer then.

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I just surprised myself. Challenged to name ten people from the 15th century, I got six out of ten, with one answer being just two years out, and none being more than a century out.

Anyone fancy a go at beating me?

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Francois Villon, Martin Luther, Bruce Dern... and your mom.

Alright, I got one.
Fuck! Jan Van Leiden! Two, I got two.
nvm, that's 1500's not 15th century.

Kings are cheating btw.

This is a question about the past, isn't it?
lol

I'm terrible with names and dates. I hated most history classes because the things I remember from any historical story are inevitably not the questions historians are interested in, mostly names and dates.
C'mon... just ask me the order of things, instead of pinning them to a timeline. I can tell you what happened 1st, 2nd, etc. most of the time.

How did none of you get Jeanne d'Arc?
... or Christopher Columbus. That should have been the most obvious.

Shame you didn't mock my Mom's age yesterday, it was her birthday yesterday.

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Kings are cheating btw.

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Nope. They existed.

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...or Christopher Columbus.

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Me and poop both got him.

I got lucky with the century, because I can only remember the dates of two battles... Hastings and Bosworth. The Battle of Bosworth was 1485, was won by Henry VII, and lost by Richard III. Henry VII was Henry VIII's father, and then there's the wives, of which I got one. And of course Henry VI was a complete guess. Five answers from one battle.

Columbus was my only other correct answer.

Walter Raleigh was a dumb answer of mine. I knew he was around during the Spanish Armada, and I knew that was the 16th century. But at least it's not as bad as poop's William the Conqueror answer, who won the Battle of Hastings, the most famous event in England's distant history.

What the hell was the Battle of Bosworth? Never even heard of it.

I think I was thinking William of Orange or some other William. Can't keep them straight. Really if it was a French king his name should have been Guillaime the Conqueror. Fucking historians messing my history knowledge up.

Joan of Arc was a good one too. Should have got her.

So if this game were played in 2500 and they were asking about the 20th century, who would get named? Here's my picks.

Hitler ldo.
JFK
MLK
Einstein
Stephen Hawking
Bill Gates
Fleming - Penicillin guy
Neil Armstrong
Winston Churchill
That Dyson vacuum guy

(Edit: haha, not serious about the vac guy. Freud I'mma go with, just for Oskar ... oh wait, Hitler was for Oskar - damn Austria's produced some fucked up dudes)

William the Conqueror was a Norman, and they were Vikings who invaded Normandy. William of Orange was born in 1650, but I didn't know that so I won't mock you for that one.


The Battle of Bosworth is famous because it's the last time the English throne changed hands as a result of battle. It was the most significant battle of the Wars of the Roses. Probably the second most famous battle in English history. I'll forgive you for not knowing this, seeing as I assume you were schooled in Canada.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

William the Conqueror was a Norman, and they were Vikings who invaded Normandy. William of Orange was born in 1650, but I didn't know that so I won't mock you for that one.


The Battle of Bosworth is famous because it's the last time the English throne changed hands as a result of battle. It was the most significant battle of the Wars of the Roses. Probably the second most famous battle in English history. I'll forgive you for not knowing this, seeing as I assume you were schooled in Canada.

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War of Roses and English Civil War get pretty little airtime in Canada.

Knew about Hastings and 1066 just didn't know any of the names of those involved.

Oh and wait I'm replacing Fleming in my list (mainly because I can't remember his first name) with Franz Ferdinand, or maybe Kaiser Bill.

Probably no-one will care about Bill Gates then either now I think of it. Imma replace him with Lenin.

Alexander Flemming. Father of modern antibiotics. Dude saved bazillions of lives. It came up in a recent conversation I had with a biologist. Not the kind of thing I'd remember.


These 2, though... I've committed to memory because they are probably among the most important people to make healthy, plentiful food available to damn near everyone in the world.

Norman Borlaug is probably the most influential person you haven't heard of from the 20th century. He did more to increase food production and quality in the last 100 years than anyone else I know of. His crops are probably the most relevant factor to reduction of famine and hunger on the largest scales in all human history.

He's right up there with Patrick Bell who invented the precursor to the combine harvester, but that was late 19th century.

I'd like to think my name will come up in future conversations about the 20th century.

The ones that I'd imagine will still be remembered are...
Hitler,
Churchill,
Einstein,
Hawking,
Lennon,
McCartney,
Mother Theresa,
Queen Elizabeth,
Fleming
JFK

What's Queen Elizabeth done that history will remember - aside from not die for a really long time?

She's probably the most famous woman alive today. Note that in my list from the 15th century, I had four kings. Ok I'm British, so our history it's more relevant to me, but she's the dominant monarch of the century, not just in England but across the world, and the only one people will remember. She might be the last queen here for a very long time, possibly ever.

Maybe people won't remember when she was alive, because you're right, it's not like she's done anything important. It depends really if the last century will be be remembered as a significant one, which is quite possible considering there were two world wars, and it was when we became technologically advanced. Nuclear weapons, electricity, General Relativity, computers, aeroplanes, so many important events that history will remember. I can see the 20th century being well studied in the future.

Yeah don't think QEII is being remembered 500 years from now. She's the dominant monarch is kinda just being dominant at being irrelevant. Not sure how memorable that will be.

I thought about Lennon and McCartney myself, and I think if Mozart is still being celebrated now, they could still be celebrated in 2500 AD. That said, its hard to know with art what will live on and what won't. Certainly they're the most famous musicians of the last 100 years.

Mozart is 18th Century.

QEII will be remembered, but perhaps not well enough to accurately date. People struggle to date Henry VIII, the only reason I have any idea of his time is because I know his father won a battle which I can date. So you're probably right.

Replace her with Thatcher then.

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Replace her with Thatcher then.

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Yeah, no.

Mao Tse Tung

This isn't a popularity contest. Thatcher will certainly be remembered. So will Mao Zedong though, to be fair.

Actually fuck them both.

Richard D James, aka Aphex Twin. I can see his music living long after he's gone.

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This isn't a popularity contest.

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No, it's a having a big effect on the world contest (the world btw extends outside the UK).

Thatcher had no effect on anyone outside the UK, just like the Queen.

Thatcher brought massive economic changes to the UK. It's obviously impossible to tell if her policies will be considered significant in the future, but they're certainly still relevant today. If 20th century economics are studied in the future, then her name will be mentioned. She's more memorable than Reagan.

Nixon would probably be more memorable, in fairness, just because of Watergate. Trump might be too, and he counts as 20th century even though his term is 21st century.

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the world btw extends outside the UK

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I didn't give a list of ten British people, so this is an unnecessary swipe.