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And then H3H3 took it down. The one key component is that the vid was apparently claimed, so it is not 100% clear about what happened to the proceedings.
Still, details: with that amount of views it should have generated $168 or thereabouts. The claimant could only produce receipts for $12. So it's all still dubious.
Obligatory clarification vid here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L71Uel98sJQ
More about the youtube fiasco
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I don’t think having a 10k threshold before payouts can begin is a big deal, the bigger deal is that youtube is casting too wide a net and gutting the revenue of pretty much any youtuber that covers news. And the "offensive" term lists cover things like atheist/ism, which to me is insane.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRyuI6yYGcE
Now many see this as acceptable damage to their bottom line if it also keeps those filthy conservatives and alt right youtubers down. But it won’t. The bigger draws will continue to make videos as the funding source will just switch to patreon. Larger followings can be tapped for alternative sources of revenue than mere ads. It will hurt youtubers that are coming up though that cannot rely on larger viewers for direct payments to keep them afloat.
Secular talk, which I watch all the time, is doing ok on patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/seculartalk
He’s on the left.
But I want you all to pay very close attention to someone else. Colin Moriarty a month or so ago had a tweet blow up on womens day that rubbed some people the wrong way, it was kind of an innocuous joke about women being loud on twitter. He got blasted for it, and had a falling out with his partners on kindafunny. Fast forward a bit, he’s on Dave Rubins show and Joe Rogans show collecting sympathy for his mistreatment by those offended little snowflake liberals who can’t tolerate anything that even slightly goes outside the lines. Look at his patreon. I just saw this in the past day.
https://www.patreon.com/colinslaststand
That, is insane. He has less than twice the patrons as secular talk, but they are clearly far more intense and willing to drop more money and cash.
For all of you authoritarian types that seek to use the loss of ads as a cudgel to remove people you dislike from youtube, it’s not going to work long term. Audience size is enough, whether people buy into the ridiculous idea that ads run on a conservative channel = hate speech and therefore the brands that have ads run alongside will be tainted (seriously, anyone who genuinely believes that tripe has mental issues, it takes a special kind of fool to buy into an idea that silly).
Colin leans to the right on everything but social issues. To me this is another clear example that the desire and impulse to try to shut people down is not going to work. Take away their ad revenue and they make it on with direct payments. What’s next? I hear some people want to go after their patreon accounts. Can we stop that? Can we start going after their trash ideas instead? Can we fight them out in the open and degrade their arguments and ideas in public for all to see rather than try to push them underground (not working!) where they still persist undefeated?
This losers impulse and ethic among too many liberals is what is making us lose, and short sighted fools cheer this on as if it serves their interests.
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I think you may misunderstand the entire issue. Or at least the one that matters for the companies pulling these ads.As a company, I simply want the choice. If I want to advertise on something politically conservative or liberal, that’s fine. I can make that choice to do so. I can make the choice to deal with any "backlash" that may or may not come from that decision.
If Youtube sprays out my ad across 500K channels about who knows what spewing who knows about anything… I’ve lost my ability to choose what kind of content I want to associate myself with.
Companies it seems are quickly learning that the Youtube advertising system was nonsense in the first place. They’re seeing the same engagement from targeted ads on channels they are choosing to sponsor as they were when their ads were sprayed across half a million vidoes. Honestly this is probably the most important takeaway from all this and why so many companies are piling on (naive to think it’s politics). They realize they’ve been more or less wasting a lot of money all this time.
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If I recall correctly, ad payouts from advertisers and to content makers is based on cpm, clicks per minute. So if it is the case that ads are not targeted well on a particular channel, it will receive fewer clicks, the advertiser will thus pay less money per ad shown, and the content creator will receive less ad money.I don’t know how advertisers pay, but I’d imagine they can pay based on a certain number of clicks reached. So that is not a waste at all. They pay based on clicks, not views of ads that do not garner enough interest for a click. This is orders of magnitude more constructive for an advertiser compared to some sort of broadcast tv model, where the ad feedback is much more dated and sluggish.
Also, Yes, we all get it. Advertisers ought to be able to place their ad content where they choose, or keep it off places they think would tarnish their brand.
This goes Far beyond that. The youtube algorithm seems to be turned up to 11 on the aggressive meter. Further, it seems entire categories of content are virtually blacklisted from ads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lOlFFv_GGo
Note in that video, David Pakman was contacted by an advertiser who explicitly tried to advertise on his channel, and noticed that ad impressions on his videos (and not others) had tanked in recent days. Youtube changed something so that even though an advertiser wanted to advertise on his channel, the ads were not being shown.
It seems the larger tech press is asleep on the full extent of what is going on. I mainly know since I watch some of the affected youtubers and see the charts of their dropping revenue.
I wrote hipster alert because Nevermind is clearly the best Nirvana album and you were trying to pass it off as only popular to mainstream, I do think In Utero has amazing stuff but it doesn't have the scope of Nevermind. I almost wrote depth but I actually think In Utero might be deeper.Quote:
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It's been way too long since I've watched this. Thanks, Rilla. You're the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I remember when I still lived with my parents and used terms like poser or sellout.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I hope they make a sequel to Dr. Horrible someday. That was a good rewatch.
Nevermind single handedly changed my music taste. When I heard that, I was blown away, before then I was listening mostly to whatever crap was on the radio. Perhaps I just got bored of hearing it. I mean now, I listen to Nirvana and just pick tunes off youtube. Mostly it's stuff off Incesticide, but sometimes I put on Territorial Pissings (best tune on Nevermind by a million miles), and like a sad teenager, I still sing along, pretending to be a rock star. And when it finishes, I always think *pause* "One baby to another....". That album is still etched into my brain, more so than the others. So it has a more lasting legacy, but only because it was the first time I'd heard Nirvana, and it was after he blew his head off. I caned Nevermind, then discovered the rest and thought "why the fuck wasn't I listening to this sooner?"Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Then one day I found the Pixies and suddenly Nirvana stopped being my favourite band.
I really am.Quote:
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Can you imagine how good different cultures would be if they skipped all the hateful bullshit and were just like we eat this, ohh shit that's great, we eat this, ohh shit that's great too.
Maybe hateful cultures are just lacking on the culinary skill to impress others.
What the fuck? You people eat frog's legs? And you call this cheese?
Does anyone actually like the French?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I think the Belgians do. And perhaps the Swiss.Quote:
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They make nice chocolate so they should be pretty universally liked.Quote:
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My housemate recently got the expansion pack for the new Battlefield game. The French have now entered the war, and the first thing I did when I was first on the French side was turn around and run the wrong way. Oh how we laughed.
This is amusing coming from a guy whose country's national dish is fish and chips, and whose idea of spicing a meal is adding salt and pepper.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's on point though - in Thailand crickets are served to children for lunch at school. Yum!
I don't get why we're mocked for fish and chips. Everyone likes fish. Everyone likes chips. It's a winner.
Mock the fucking Scottish, what with their sheep's organs, or whatever the fuck haggis is.
Never thought I'd hear a canadian criticize anyone else cookingQuote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I guess we can't all have an advanced enough pallete to enjoy moose bladder and tree bark, with a side of poutein.
Yeah forget the moose bladder, I'll just have some moose steak please. Which bit is the steak? The arse?
There was a woman in the background of a travel cooking show (in Singapore, maybe?) who bought a stick with cooked scorpions on it and was eyeing them up like they were the most delicious treat she could imagine.
It kinda blew my mind as far as a cultural experience from my home. I never considered thinking of a scorpion as a food and she was looking at them like they were candy.
Well that's surprising to me because judging from the photos I've seen, I always assumed an American would and does eat just about everything.
F&C is not exactly a culinary delight. Personally, I don't like fish, except salmon and trout. Cod? No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Do the Scottish still eat the deep fried mars bars, or has that gone out of fashion?
Nope. We eat tons and tons of specific things. Most people I know are picky eaters as far as what they'll eat, but extravagant on the quantities of food they eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
This is dependent on the actual dish and presentation, right?Quote:
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It's usually a lazy meal I throw together, so nothing spectacular.
I imagine that a qualified cook/chef could wow me, though.
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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Doubt it. There's only much you can do with chips.
The fish part of fish and chips is battered, deep fried cod afaik. Apart form adding some lemon and some salt, or maybe a tomato-based sauce if you're feeling frisky, it's pretty limited.
The dish itself contains only a meat and a starch, no veg. That in itself should disqualify it as a meal. (You can debate that a potato is indeed a vegetable, but it's a veg that's mostly starch which doesn't count imo).
If you want a fish meal, take a salmon fillet, cut it into chunks and salt it. Put it in a pan with oil, lemon, ginger, salt and sugar. There's some nice fish.
Take some spinach and stir fry it in oil with garlic and salt. There's your veg.
Add some rice and you have your starch.
Do that and you've beaten any version of fish and chips by a mile without really trying imo.
Yep, this about sums it up. Lemon, salt, vinegar, ketchup, mushy peas...Quote:
The fish part of fish and chips is battered, deep fried cod afaik. Apart form adding some lemon and some salt, or maybe a tomato-based sauce if you're feeling frisky, it's pretty limited.
Mushy peas...Quote:
The dish itself contains only a meat and a starch, no veg. That in itself should disqualify it as a meal. (You can debate that a potato is indeed a vegetable, but it's a veg that's mostly starch which doesn't count imo).
Yes, this would generally be nicer than battered cod... except not with chips. Also, more expensive. Fish and chips from a chippie is cheap, tasty food. It's better than MacDonalds, by a mile. It should be treated as fast food, not a staple.Quote:
If you want a fish meal, take a salmon fillet, cut it into chunks and salt it. Put it in a pan with oil, lemon, ginger, salt and sugar. There's some nice fish.
Right. Now open a shop down the road from me, making this, charging no more than a fiver.Quote:
Do that and you've beaten any version of fish and chips by a mile without really trying imo.
Please.
That's like saying, I don't like Jellybeans, except the black ones. How is it that your preference is for the absolute worst tasting animals on earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Do they have haddock where you live?
What planet are you people from? They're called "FRIES"!!Quote:
There's only much you can do with chips.
I'm surprised someone as pedantic as you doesn't know peas are a legume, not a vegetable. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here, since at least they're nutritious if not very tasty.Quote:
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Pretty much anything is better than MacD's food, by any standard.Quote:
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Being high on the ladder of cheap and fast food does not a nice meal make.Quote:
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Seems topical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRqomRdNUrI
The side of me that has worked in customer service would have loved the opportunity to re-accomodate some customers Clockwork Orange style.
What I cannot figure out is why they wouldn't just up the compensation until 4 people volunteer. In the age of social media this alternative is guaranteed to cost you many more times what you would have to pay people to leave voluntarily.
This is just process. The underlings running around at the airport hardly have the right to do any executive decisions regarding the compensation.Would think though with the amount of overbooking on flights nowadays, this would be an everyday problem and they'd have proper protocols in place to deal with these situations. It would have probably been a lot cheaper to rent a private plane to fly these 4 people than do this. Maybe even to give them the plane.
The protocol afaik was to offer compensation for volunteers, and then to up the compensation a bit. After no volunteers were forthcoming, the protocol says to choose ones at random to give up their seats. It's hard to imagine that they never foresaw the scenario where someone absolutely refuses to go, so one can only assume that means the protocol stage 4 was to call in the heavies. It's clearly not a good business model.
After this incident, the protocol will probably change to having a message read out to the passenger:
"Excuse me sir, but we're scumbags and we've overbooked this flight. No-one else has agreed to our compensation package, so you've been chosen at random to exit the flight. Would you prefer to be given a private jet full of Vegas showgirls to fly you to your destination, or to be dragged kicking and screaming from your seat by some hired goons? The choice is yours."
Well they count as one of your five a day. Unlike chips, which, pedantically speaking, are vegetables.Quote:
I'm surprised someone as pedantic as you doesn't know peas are a legume, not a vegetable. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here, since at least they're nutritious if not very tasty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtG0WyktMM
Youtube's favorite lawyer is on the case.
That's only because they don't have separate categories for legumes and 'things that are technically vegetables even though they're mostly starch'. The nutritional guides have had to make do.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't have a problem with airlines overbooking flights. Topic for another day but there seems to be some legit operational/economic reasons why they do it.
What I have a problem with, is the forcible removal of this guy. He had a contract with the airline when he bought a ticket, and he got all the way on the plane, and into his seat before there was a problem. If they wanted this guy gone, they should have stopped him from getting on the plane in the first place.
Once he's on, he's not doing anything wrong by staying there. So when the police come and drag him off, that's WAY offsides. The police should not be using force on someone who's not doing anything wrong, and is definitely not committing a crime.
The cops can come. They can sternly ask the guy to leave. But at the end of the day, if the guy stays put, the cops should walk away and say "sorry United, this is YOUR problem"
I'll bet it sucked for whoever got that guy's seat.
I've been the least popular person on a plane before. It's not an awesome time.
The point remains, fish chips and mushy peas has a vegetable, whether in practical terms or pedantic terms.Quote:
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Granted. Still not a good meal though imo.Quote:
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I guess in the long run, the fact that the other passengers didn't de-board themselves in the immediate wake of this incident says all that needs to be said.
They were ultimately complicit in the process, and continued to support that business after they were made fully aware of that businesses' model and practices.
All parts of all plants are vegetable.
Whether or not they're also a legume or a fruit or nut, or contain nutritious value, or are even edible is a different question.
What are you even arguing at this point?
Still better than a lot of other national dishes. Like haggis, and moose bladder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I nearly argued this point, but it's debateable and I didn't have the appetite for an argument about the definition of "vegetable".Quote:
All parts of all plants are vegetable.
By the strictest definition, wheat is a vegetable.Quote:
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What's your point?
It's not clear how that would have helped the situation. Their tickets were already paid for and if they walked off the plane they would have only hurt their own interests, and saved the airline the trouble of paying for the fuel and other incidentals needed to carry their fat asses to their stated destination, and all to no clear end.Quote:
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Complicit would be buying another ticket from the same airline at a later date, not accepting the service you'd already paid for.Quote:
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I'll have you know Canada's national dish is poutine, which is certainly fucking disgusting. I wouldn't eat it, haggis, or, except as a last resort if given the choice between the three, fish and chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The fact that multiple people filmed the goonery on the plane and at least one of those people went to the trouble to post their film on the internet suggests not all the passengers were 'complicit' in the incident. Also several of them can be heard protesting in the video.
Just because they didn't all run off the plane, douse themselves with gasoline and self-immolate in protest to what they'd just witnessed doesn't mean they were complicit.
Yeah but those who thought to themself "well I could let the doctor who needs to be at work have my seat, but fuck it, I wanna see my dog", they're complicit.
I'll have you know our national dish is actually roast beef. Ask the French. They find it most amusing to call us "rosbief", even though it's delicious, unlike frog's legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I can sympathize with that sentiment, but there's always the question of whether the passenger in question is really a doctor or just a dick who himself wants to see his dog and has no qualms in lying about it. It's possible you would not have been convinced of his honesty until you actually saw him being dragged kicking and screaming from the plane. At that time, it would have been too late to offer your seat, since he was clearly going to be taken off the plane either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Moreover, the overwhelming responsibility for the incident must without question lay with the airline for not having a proper policy in place for dealing with just such a contingency without resorting to physical force.
Do they? We were taught in school that French for roast beef is 'roti de boeuf'. Though tbf, it was the screwy Quebecois version of French we were being taught.Quote:
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I think someone put some crack in your poutineQuote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Overbooking flights is a common and accepted practice. Buying people off of the plane has proven to be an overwhelmingly successful solution to the problem. It works almost every time. When it doesn't work, some cops show up and ask someone to leave. The vast vast vast vast majority of people see a badge, and a gun, and fucking obey.
There are 25,000 flights every single day! Just in America! This is one of probably a handful of times this has ever happened. Based on historical statistics, the odds of this happening are several hundred kajillion to one.
Or in poker terms, you have 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000694 outs.
I'm not saying that they're blameless, but do you really think anyone at United ever expected something like this to happen?
What more of a policy should they have had? Seriously? The only viable thing that I think United could have done in this situation is to offer more than $800 to buy someone off the plane. If it were $8,000 then somebody might have gotten up.Quote:
for not having a proper policy in place for dealing with just such a contingency without resorting to physical force.
But once you set that precedent, people will just hold out for huge sums every time a flight is overbooked. I'm not sure that's an improvement over the current model where someone gets stubborn once every kabillion flights.
The overwhelming responsibility for this incident must without question lie with law enforcement.
This man was committing no crime. The cops had no right to move him. This guy's stubbornness meant that United couldn't transport one of its' flight crew members to another city to work another flight. That means that flight is delayed, and it has ripple effects throughout United's entire schedule.
All of that sucks for a lot of people, but none of it is a crime. It's an operational challenge experienced by a private company. Companies have operations problems all the fucking time. Most of them don't get to call in thugs when the cost of fixing that problem exceeds the $800 budget that they allotted to fix it.
The cops should have said "well, we tried, but he's not moving". After that United can either offer more money, cancel the flight, delay other flights, find alternate transport for its crew, or call in another crew member who's on their day off. That's what every other company in the world does. United should never have had any expectation of physical intervention from law enforcement.
I don't agree with this definition of complicit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
People saying they are against something, but still patronizing the business which does the thing is hypocrisy. None of their protests can be taken seriously when they continue to patronize United.
The notion that they only hurt themselves by leaving the plane and forfeiting their money is laughable. It's more like the only way they don't hurt themselves is to stand up for what they believe in, which in this case means the forfeiture of some money. The elevation of $$ above your own moral code is an expression of your moral code, in itself.
I wonder if the guy wasn't technically trespassing at that point.
Just because I invite you into my house, that doesn't mean that I am not free to change my mind and later revoke my welcome.
I wonder, because there is a conceivable scenario where the guy is technically breaking the law and the police are authorized to arrest the individual.
Still... I find myself agreeing with Mr. Stand that use of force in this case was a step too far.
I mispelled. Rosbif. I think it's them saying it (vaguely) how we say it, taking the piss, rather than a literal translation of "roast beef". Note if you put "rosbif" into google translate, it comes up as French for "roast beef", but then switch back to French and it's rôti de bœuf.Quote:
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I hate that the victim is such a little bitch and gets all the attention for it. If you comply and leave you have a snowballs chance in hell to win a court case. This guy has half the lawyers in the state trying to get this case on contingency. What kind of a grown man makes a noise like that? That's right: a little bitch. Fuck that guy, fuck the airline and fuck the cop. I don't feel like taking anyone's side here.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/1...apolitano-saysQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I disagree with the judge when he says he has a right to be there. I'm sure the 'contract' involved in purchasing the ticket contains some fine print that says they can boot you for overbooking. So I don't agree with the Judge's point that United has to fulfill a contract with the man.
However, I do agree, that even if the man IS breaking the law, it's a civil complaint (breach of contract), not a criminal one. Which means the police do not have the authority to use violence.
I wouldn't be surprised if refusing to leave an aircraft when ordered to by the captain is indeed a criminal offence. Certainly there are plenty of harsh laws in place relating to aircraft, people give up a lot of rights when they board.
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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
They'd already patronized the business when they bought the ticket to get on the flight. They couldn't then un-patronize it by not taking the flight since the airline already had their money. All they would be doing is throwing their own money away and causing themselves inconvenience. At best, they could refuse to patronize the same airline again, which I'm sure a number of them will do.
Saying you have to cause yourself an immediate inconvenience and financial loss that would give no immediate benefit to MrI'maDoctor in order not to be complicit in his mistreatment is silly. You might as well say they should have jumped the cops to avoid being complicit. They protested (or at least a number of them did), they filmed the incident, and some of them posted it online. What more do you expect?
What you're saying is akin to saying that if you go to MacD's and buy a burger, then witness them being rude to a customer, you're complicit in their rudeness by eating the burger, and instead you should throw it in the garbage. Your moral obligation there is not to hurt yourself, but to take steps to ensure the behavior does not recur.
I listened to Leonard French's breakdown. If you have 30 min. it's mildly interesting. Overbooking does not apply because the flight was not overbooked. It's more about the police using force to settle a civil dispute.
No matter who's technically in the right, for the airline this is all about stopping a derailed train from running into their PR dumpster fire more than winning the case if it goes to court.
probably because so many English twats like you are typing 'rosbif' into google translate.Quote:
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I wish that's how google translate worked, because "sheepshagger" would return "Welshman".Quote:
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hehe, I kinda thought that to myself a bit while i was watching. I mean who screams like a little girl while he's getting roughed up?
In Wales it probably does.Quote:
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Actually makes me wonder if google translate takes into account your location (e.g., England vs. the US) when translating. Like if you put in the French word for 'sidewalk', does it return 'pavement' in England but 'sidewalk' in the US?
The first time sometime told me to walk down the "pavement" in England to get to some place I'd asked directions for, I was wondering why there were telling me to walk on the road with the traffic, and not on the sidewalk.
Not the same thing. He wasn't an invited guest present only at the pleasure of the airline.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
The airline, by accepting his money, has a contractual obligation to provide the service.
A more apt analogy would be if you had a contractual agreement to rent a room in your house. Then after your tenant moved in, you decided that you needed the extra room for your vintage back issues of TV Guide
That guy is NOT trespassing. And if you call the cops, they won't touch the guy. They probably won't even ask him to leave. They'll probably just wish you luck in court and then go.
The other piece of this, is I'm sure the fine print of your ticket purchase includes an agreement to submit to overbooking inconveniences. So it's breach of contract vs breach of contract. An issue for a court to decide. File your motions and may justice prevail.
Wait, what? You can't wait for a court to decide? You need the plane to leave now? That's why they say "possession is 9/10ths of the law". Work around it United
Interesting epilogue: Just heard that the guy wasn't exactly the greatest doctor. Lost his license for over-prescribing. Not sure that's relevant at all. Reports have said that the man was being belligerent to the officers. Though I conjure up slightly different images when I think of a belligerent doctor and a belligerent drug dealer.
Cool.
O/U on Skynet is 20 years.
I'd take the under
What makes me pessimistic is that my sister who's working in image recognition with neural networks is the most sober person I know when it comes to AI revolution. She doesn't even believe in truly autonomous cars withing the next decade.
The real test of a creative and adaptive AI will be Deepmind taking on Starcraft. I'm not that wowed by AI's doing well in poker and GO. These games aren't exactly easy to break down but they're nowhere close in the pattern recognition world compared to SC and SC2 is still miles away from the real world.
https://deepmind.com/blog/deepmind-a...h-environment/
Making games where the AI is not a complete pushover seems like one of the better implications of ASI.
Something something absolute poker payouts
I'm genuinely curious about something... a Muslim woman in USA is facing potentially life in prison for performing religously motivated female genital mutilation. Why isn't there such a fuss when it comes to male genital mutilation? Honestly, if I had no foreskin because it got cut off when I was a kid, I'd be fucking furious for my entire adult life.
I really don't understand how on the one hand it's (legally speaking) as bad as murder to cut a woman's clit off, but on the other it's perfectly acceptable to chop a man's foreskin off.
Both are equally as fucking horrible to me. USA has a ridiculously high rate of circumcised men. Seems hypocritical as fuck to me.
Not trying to downplay the horribleness of male circumcisions, but it's a tad different IMO whether a piece of skin or functional part of a sexual organ is chopped off. A more fitting analogy would be if they snipped off the tip of your dick.
ya, it's obviously not the same thing...
It's still fucked, just a completely different level of fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I would argue the foreskin is a functional part of the sexual organ. A freind of mine used to fuck this American dickhead, we called him Yank (yeah, imaginative). She says he hated blow jobs. Who the fuck hates blow jobs? That is a direct consequence of him having the snip. It impacts on his sexual pleasure, so yes, it's a functional part of the sexual organ.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
I'm circumcised and I love blowjobs, so your n=1 correlation doesn't generalise. Moreover, I can orgasm. Most women without a clitoris cannot.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
While I agree it is better to be natural than circumscribed, circumcision is hardly on the level of removing the clitoris. Like coco said, losing the clitoris is more like having the tip of your dick cut off.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
Honestly I can't imagine walking around with an extra bit of skin just flapping around down there. Seems like it would be dirty.
Also, I dare you to take a poll right now and see which version women prefer. Hide your scissors first though. You might get crazy ideas
Maybe she's just bad at it. Or maybe yank is gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You should have had her give you a blowjob so she would have an objective third opinion.
I have no problem with people choosing to get circumcised. Your body your choices. I have a problem with people choosing to mutilate their children.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Also you'll find that women tend to not really give a shit & that preference will fluctuate on what is considered normal for what they'll have seen.
Are you saying that circumcision should be a choice made by men in adulthood? Because that's kah-razy with a capital K.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
Pretty dubious for you to be speaking for women. I'm sure whatever you've heard was told to you so that you wouldn't feel bad.Quote:
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For approximately the third time, yes my opinion is you shouldn't be cutting bits of children off.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
It's funny how much yanks get worked up about this type of thing.
Fair enough, but n=2 doesn't really correlate either. Banana, do you like blow jobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by poop
hahaha this made me laugh. Apparently, she's very good at it, she was quite the slut a decade or so ago, the things she's said to me have almost made me cum. I would like to find out just how good she is, however she's my best friend and she doesn't remain friends with people she has romantic involvement with. So sadly I'd have to say my friendship means more than an orgasm, even if it was the best orgasm I ever had. Also, she isn't interested in me like that anyway, I'd know by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Savy nails my problem with this. We're not talking about adults making choices. We're talking about butchering kids. Why is it crazy to say it shouldn't happen to children?
You say "extra bit of skin flapping about"... it's not flapping about, it wraps itself snugly around the dick, protecting it from friction. And no it doesn't get dirty, assuming you wash it at least.
It's mutilation. What's the point? The health benefits are debateable, so much so that no health association will go as far as recommending it as standard.
I still don't see much difference. I suppose the removal of the clit is purely to oppress women, control their sexuality, I get the motive is different. However, both are genital mutilation, both (usually) happen against the will of the person involved (because they are children). So no, I can't get consider it acceptable to remove a boy's foreskin, just like it's unacceptable to remove a girl's clit.
I brought it up because of the hypocrisy. Yanks are funny about it because it's so culturally ingrained in them. I get that. But it's strange that they are so against female genital mutilation while accepting male genital mutilation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
I think it's hilariously hypocritical that a nation as religious as the US feels God sorta messed up the dick and it needs fixing.
Why? If I understand your objection correctly, we also shouldn't be giving kids haircuts, clipping their fingernails, or removing wisdom teeth. Yet we do all of those things simply for aesthetic and 'ease of maintenance' reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
The risk of infections and complications is monumentally reduced when the snipping is done to infants as opposed to adolescents or adults. The cost, recovery time, risks, and level of discomfort are all significantly less when the procedure is performed on an infant.
I'm not saying we should go around snipping 8 year olds. But 8 day olds....fine.
Is that a proposition? If so, then NO! If it's just a general question, then YES!Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
No, if she was good at it, someone would lock that down. She wouldn't be a slut. Also, I'm not buying the 'more experience = better quality' argument. In my experience, quality is all about size and shape of a mouth, and the lack of a gag reflex. If you were long enough, you'd know this.Quote:
Apparently, she's very good at it, she was quite the slut a decade or so ago,
Those were probably tests to see how you'd react. You failed.Quote:
the things she's said to me have almost made me cum.
Sounds like you could have.Quote:
I would like to find out just how good she is
In what universe is a blowjob the same as 'romantic involvement'?Quote:
however she's my best friend and she doesn't remain friends with people she has romantic involvement with.
Because 'butchering' is a completely nonsensical term to use in this case. It's a minor, and extremely simple procedure, with minimal complications that makes care and maintenance significantly easier for the people who are responsible for that task for the next decade or so.Quote:
Savy nails my problem with this. We're not talking about adults making choices. We're talking about butchering kids. Why is it crazy to say it shouldn't happen to children?
Schmegma is thing. I wouldn't know much about it though, 'cause my dick is awesome.Quote:
You say "extra bit of skin flapping about"... it's not flapping about, it wraps itself snugly around the dick, protecting it from friction. And no it doesn't get dirty, assuming you wash it at least.
Jealous!Quote:
It's mutilation
AwesomenessQuote:
What's the point?
No they aren't. It's actually basic math. Less surface area means less dirt and filth. It means there are less places than an infection could occur. These things are not debateable.Quote:
The health benefits are debateable
Also, if you consider a robust sex-life to be a 'health benefit' then snipping is the way to go. Like I said, take a poll and ask women what they prefer.
So anything non-standard must be bad?Quote:
so much so that no health association will go as far as recommending it as standard.
Really? Try this experiment then. Find an uncircumcised buddy. Have him got get his foreskin removed surgically. You stick the tip of your dick into the bottom of a blender and then turn it on. Then compare dicks, and see if you still don't see much difference.Quote:
I still don't see much difference
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
Nice
You really couldn't be any funnier when talking about my friend.Quote:
No, if she was good at it, someone would lock that down.
Many men have tried, and failed, to lock that down. She's definitely fucked over 100 men. Probably only ten in the last decade, she's slowing down.
Agreed. I refer you back to my comment about how the things she's said to me have almost made me cum. That was me being crass more than anything, but yeah the things she's told me... she knows what she's doing.Quote:
Also, I'm not buying the 'more experience = better quality' argument.
No. She's not shy. She also doesn't take rejection very well at all, so if I accidentally blew her out without realising, I'd definitely know about that. Also, I wouldn't still be friends with her. She's complicated, which is why I've never tried it on with her.Quote:
Sounds like you could have.
Sexual eoncounter, whatever. It's a phrase, it wasn't meant to mean "married" or "in a loving relationship".Quote:
In what universe is a blowjob the same as 'romantic involvement'?
Right, so you had your foreskin snipped so your parents could wash your little cock? How come my parents didn't have a problem washing mine?Quote:
Because 'butchering' is a completely nonsensical term to use in this case. It's a minor, and extremely simple procedure, with minimal complications that makes care and maintenance significantly easier for the people who are responsible for that task for the next decade or so.
Yes it's a thing, and that's why people with foreskins tend to wash their dicks.Quote:
Schmegma is thing. I wouldn't know much about it though, 'cause my dick is awesome.
So much so I'm sitting here with scissors and codeine, daring myself to do it.Quote:
Jealous!
lol surface area. Remove your skin then. If you haven't got any skin, it can't get dirty, right? It's debateable because the health benefits you speak of can be entirely negated by washing.Quote:
No they aren't. It's actually basic math. Less surface area means less dirt and filth. It means there are less places than an infection could occur. These things are not debateable.
I've got my sample size of one, I have my facts. My friend's ex hated blow jobs and for him, sex was an act of dominance, not love.Quote:
Also, if you consider a robust sex-life to be a 'health benefit' then snipping is the way to go. Like I said, take a poll and ask women what they prefer.
Right. Now find a cirumcised girl. Then take another girl, and stick her clit in a blender. Compare the two? Do they look alike? I have no idea, I've never seen either a circumcised clit, nor one that's been through a blender.Quote:
Really? Try this experiment then. Find an uncircumcised buddy. Have him got get his foreskin removed surgically. You stick the tip of your dick into the bottom of a blender and then turn it on. Then compare dicks, and see if you still don't see much difference.
Glad you're entertainedQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Doubtful. I don't care how good the BJ is, I'm not marrying someone in the century club.Quote:
Many men have tried, and failed, to lock that down. She's definitely fucked over 100 men. Probably only ten in the last decade, she's slowing down.
Again, it's not a matter of 'knowing what you're doing'. Either she has a good mouth or she doesn't. The fact that she talks about "skills" suggest that her mouth is shitty.Quote:
Agreed. I refer you back to my comment about how the things she's said to me have almost made me cum. That was me being crass more than anything, but yeah the things she's told me... she knows what she's doing.
Yeah, ok, you're content in the friend zone. lol, nice try. Sounds like she's really easy, not complicated. You should have tried.Quote:
No. She's not shy. She also doesn't take rejection very well at all, so if I accidentally blew her out without realising, I'd definitely know about that. Also, I wouldn't still be friends with her. She's complicated, which is why I've never tried it on with her.
So...she can't stand to be around people she's gotten busy with? Too much shame huh? That is actually kinda hot.Quote:
Sexual eoncounter, whatever. It's a phrase, it wasn't meant to mean "married" or "in a loving relationship".
Little? It was too big, that's why they cut some off. Sounds like you have the opposite problem.Quote:
Right, so you had your foreskin snipped so your parents could wash your little cock? How come my parents didn't have a problem washing mine?
So unless you shower before a blowjob, every time, you're going to repulse some women. Once again, please take that poll and let me know the results.Quote:
Yes it's a thing, and that's why people with foreskins tend to wash their dicks.
I think this was an episode of 'Nip/Tuck'.Quote:
So much so I'm sitting here with scissors and codeine, daring myself to do it.
So...make washing easier.Quote:
lol surface area. Remove your skin then. If you haven't got any skin, it can't get dirty, right? It's debateable because the health benefits you speak of can be entirely negated by washing.
LOL, it's like that for everybody. You need to get laid more. Everything in life is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power.Quote:
I've got my sample size of one, I have my facts. My friend's ex hated blow jobs and for him, sex was an act of dominance, not love
Probably. See the problem now?Quote:
Right. Now find a cirumcised girl. Then take another girl, and stick her clit in a blender. Compare the two? Do they look alike?
You're right about me being content friend zoned. That decision was made a long time ago. But no, she's not easy, and I shouldn't have tried. Had I tried, I'd have either failed or succeeded (probably failed), and we wouldn't be friends today.Quote:
Yeah, ok, you're content in the friend zone. lol, nice try. Sounds like she's really easy, not complicated. You should have tried.
Good mouth, and hands, and arse.Quote:
Either she has a good mouth or she doesn't.
I dunno about shame, but it's something.Quote:
So...she can't stand to be around people she's gotten busy with? Too much shame huh? That is actually kinda hot.
I definitely had a little dick when my parents were washing it for me. Fair play to you if you didn't.Quote:
Little? It was too big, that's why they cut some off. Sounds like you have the opposite problem.
I've yet to repulse a woman with my smelly cock. To be fair, I haven't had any action for a good while now, but I still keep my cock clean.Quote:
So unless you shower before a blowjob, every time, you're going to repulse some women. Once again, please take that poll and let me know the results.
Shave your hair off then. Health benefits.Quote:
So...make washing easier.
True.Quote:
You need to get laid more.
False. It might be for you, but certainly not for me.Quote:
Sex is about power.
No, because "probably" is hardly proof, on the contrary it shows that you've never seen a circumcised clit either, so you're guessing, just like me.Quote:
Probably. See the problem now?
Fingernails grows backQuote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Hair grows back
Wisdom teeth don't get removed for aesthetic or ease of maintenance
The fact you think it's ok to cut bits of children off for aesthetic reasons based on your own imaginary claim that women like them more that way is pretty funny.
God made us in his image then clearly had a mishap and needed to make an adjustment. Great way to test humans faith in him too rather than, you know fixing it himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
Yeah, based entirely on smelly cock syndrome. He's not even arguing religious culture.Quote:
The fact you think it's ok to cut bits of children off for aesthetic reasons based on your own imaginary claim that women like them more that way is pretty funny.
Tbh this thread needs pics of the girl ong is talking about, feel free to PM me so we can shun the idiot.
I have come close to posting a picture of her, but I should ask her first if she objects. I doubt she will, she likes to show off, and there's pics of her on instagram that would certainly make a few of you smile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
She's heavily tattooed. I hope that's not a turn off.
Yeah it is. More so if her parents did it to her as a newborn to avoid her going through it as an adult.
Hi, we were having a discussion about genital mutilation on a forum that I use and I was wondering if you'd mind if I posted your picture.
Would you know the difference if your eyes were closed?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Why is it a bad thing to have experience? And inb4 you reply with "cos she a ho", why is that a bad thing? Serious question, and try to not answer with a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Yeah I just had to nip out, and while I was walking, I was thinking exactly this... how do I ask my friend if a bunch of pervs on the internet can check her out? It all started with talk about sucking off guys with no foreskin...Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy