Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Nope, because there's no noms, gabe is v, so is rong, and boog/monstr are future mislynch bait.

Wolves are taking the gabe lynch all fucking day long if boog is a wolf. Even with boog/monstr being v/v, they'd want gabe/rong, but would be less enthusiastic about making a play. But make no mistake, they were very happy with the d1 lynch, regardless of boog/monstr.

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They can't take the gave lynch all fucking day, because as you astutely pointed out, Gabe wasn't a wagon until you made him one. If Boog is a wolf they don't fucking care.

^ I mean if Boog is a villager.

that movement just doesn't happen when Boog is a V. just doesn't.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Anyway, enough blah blah. Let's lynch baudib so we can start lynching wolves.

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Wait... what, now? Did you just imply that baud is not a wolf?

It should occur to the rest of you that Ong wants me out of the way because I'm the only one calling him out on his BS.

I will LOL heartily when I find out I hard-defended 3 wolves on D1.

@key: Where are you? I need your interaction. You should know that I have a strong read on you, and given our convo in dead thread after last game, I'd think you know to be wary of making shady cases to me.

I need a dish from you, key... and I better like the sauce.

@rilla - my villa - where's your head on all this?
@bigred - give us something... your ship is taking on water, and it's prob going down sooner or later... please get in your best.
@wuf - If you're a V, then don't be obtuse. Nothing ITT is a reflection on you as a person. Learn from your experiences and push forward. What you assume is going to be recognized as V-cred is not correct. Revise and try again.
@Luco - Doesn't it feel good to be a gansta? I'm loving the lols, but would appreciate more content... your partner is not cleared by any means.
@Hoopy - Are you just taking one for the team or something?

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Originally Posted by baudib

Daven looks like a completely lost cause this game, so if he's not going to keep up or even vote based on the knowledge of Keybored that he should have, the least we can do is not take his opinions very seriously (even though he's probably a villager).

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wtf.
i have read day 1 as thoroughly as anyone, i've read day 2 more thoroughly than most. I didn't get heavily involved in game mechanics bullshit cos i thought it a waste of time. You keep asking me to stop reading the thread and instead rely on in the minute interactions.
'don't listen to gabe cos he's dead so obviously bad'
'don't listen to daven cos i don't think he can read'
etc.
coincidence that we both read you as a wolf?

Rescind luco
lynch baudib

Lets get a boog wagon going, daven/bigred lynch feels like a bailout today. We're just going to be stuck with the same problems tomorrow.

rescind bigred

lynch boog

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Basically, if the wolves are all split up, it's... baud/rilla, wuf/hoopy, luco/keyb, daven/bigred
If it's w/v, w/v, w/w, then baud/rilla w/w, wuf/hoopy w/v, and one of the other two for the last w/v
If it's w/w, w,w, then it's gotta be rilla/baudib and wuf/hoopy, but I think that's very unlikely.

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if bigred doesn't somehow clear himself then i'm down with your proposed lynch order

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Originally Posted by baudib

Ong not wanting to lynch either Boog or the late Gabe voters is really really troubling.

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instead he wants to lynch an early gabe voter. you do remember that you were frothing for us to lynch gabe right?

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Originally Posted by baudib

Are all of you incapable of reading? I'm not blaming anyone.

If Gabe flips V then have at me, I'm owning it.

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The "have at me" comment is certainly pushing my decision to stay on baud.

Other than that, do you have anything but revenge on baudib, daven?

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Anyway, enough blah blah. Let's lynch baudib so we can start lynching wolves.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Wait... what, now? Did you just imply that baud is not a wolf?

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i second mmm's question. I'm voting to lynch baudib cos i think he's a wolf, ong, is that your reason too?

Daven if you're going to be this useless why even bother reading?

I ignored mojo because I thought it was super obvious I was calling baudib a wolf, but since it got a second what, then obviously my wording got misinterpreted somehow.

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Originally Posted by daven

instead he wants to lynch an early gabe voter. you do remember that you were frothing for us to lynch gabe right?

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i mean you keep quoting this as if it matters. I said it, everyone knows I said it and I stand by it. I actually made a case for why Gabe seemed shady, you and Ong piled on for what reasons?

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

The "have at me" comment is certainly pushing my decision to stay on baud.

Other than that, do you have anything but revenge on baudib, daven?

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yep, starting with the fact that he got super-upset with me for going back and reading the thread, and that he refuses to give any credibility to gabe's day 1 reads even though gabe is confirmed villager. He's cherry-picking hard, he was early on the gabe wagon, his wagon started, stuttered, stopped on day 1 which is what happens with day 1 wolf wagons
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also, a lot of his posts are simply repitition but i still have to read them all.

and, yep, there's probably an element of annoyance in the vote too, i think he's called me all of lazy, stupid, and uninterested. As for the 'gjge', i outlined the day 1 wagon and it took time COS I WAS READING IT THOROUGHLY AND THINKING AS I WENT, shit, until i did that people assumed that your vote had no influence on the gabe lynch. But does he give me credit for that? nope. He's super-defensive and seems to think that he's the only competent wolf-hunter here. The care in his % tallies to make sure they reach exactly 400% seems more wolf than villager - maybe cos i'd simply start from 4/13 for each player and then adjust up or down as appropriate to my reads. I doubt it would ever match 400% cos there's no need to be that careful as a villager cos i'd just laugh if called out on it. As a wolf i'd at least consider making it exactly 400%, but hopefully i'd be astute enough to match my village game instead.

@Ong, if we can clear each other and our partners (which seems like the village is rather in agreement about us as leaning or mostly V).. then we will win this game.

Please don't ignore my questions as silly. Just tell me they're silly.

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Originally Posted by daven

i second mmm's question. I'm voting to lynch baudib cos i think he's a wolf, ong, is that your reason too?

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Daven is voting for me because he doesn't know WTF is going on and he thinks Gabe's opinion matters.

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Originally Posted by baudib

i mean you keep quoting this as if it matters. I said it, everyone knows I said it and I stand by it. I actually made a case for why Gabe seemed shady, you and Ong piled on for what reasons?

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my reason (you'd have to read old posts though, and it seems you hate that) was that i thought both gabe and boog likely villagers but rong more likely wolf than monstr so i voted the lynch that i thought most likely to tag a wolf.

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Originally Posted by daven

yep, starting with the fact that he got super-upset with me for going back and reading the thread, and that he refuses to give any credibility to gabe's day 1 reads even though gabe is confirmed villager. He's cherry-picking hard, he was early on the gabe wagon, his wagon started, stuttered, stopped on day 1 which is what happens with day 1 wolf wagons
etc.

also, a lot of his posts are simply repitition but i still have to read them all.

and, yep, there's probably an element of annoyance in the vote too, i think he's called me all of lazy, stupid, and uninterested. As for the 'gjge', i outlined the day 1 wagon and it took time COS I WAS READING IT THOROUGHLY AND THINKING AS I WENT, shit, until i did that people assumed that your vote had no influence on the gabe lynch. But does he give me credit for that? nope. He's super-defensive and seems to think that he's the only competent wolf-hunter here. The care in his % tallies to make sure they reach exactly 400% seems more wolf than villager - maybe cos i'd simply start from 4/13 for each player and then adjust up or down as appropriate to my reads. I doubt it would ever match 400% cos there's no need to be that careful as a villager cos i'd just laugh if called out on it. As a wolf i'd at least consider making it exactly 400%, but hopefully i'd be astute enough to match my village game instead.

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I'm annoyed at you because you're probably a villager and not helping AT ALL and will probably get mislynched and cost us the game.

just LOL @ your 400 comments

MMM's role in the Gabe lynch has been thoroughly reviewed and deemed non-wolfy.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Daven is voting for me because he doesn't know WTF is going on and he thinks Gabe's opinion matters.

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attacking the person not the argument, i thought you had more class than this. You do, as a villager. My lynch is on you today, not moving. And tomorrow we lynch wuf/hoopy.

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Originally Posted by baudib

MMM's role in the Gabe lynch has been thoroughly reviewed and deemed non-wolfy.

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his reasons for his vote for gabe were the same as mine...

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Originally Posted by daven

my reason (you'd have to read old posts though, and it seems you hate that) was that i thought both gabe and boog likely villagers but rong more likely wolf than monstr so i voted the lynch that i thought most likely to tag a wolf.

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And given the results of Day 1 and your blessed Gabe reread, what do you think of Boog now?

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Originally Posted by daven

his reasons for his vote for gabe were the same as mine...

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and you're both probably villagers. so "finding" MMM's role isn't really that helpful. thanks tho.

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Originally Posted by baudib

MMM's role in the Gabe lynch has been thoroughly reviewed and deemed non-wolfy.

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hang on, by whom? just cos you think something doesn't make it so.
i still have mmm as possible wolf, and that cynch gabe vote is one of the reasons.

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Originally Posted by baudib

And given the results of Day 1 and your blessed Gabe reread, what do you think of Boog now?

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hang on, when you go back do you simply read single players and ignore the context in which their posts are made? that would explain a lot.
i still think that boog is more likely villager than wolf but his lack of content is disturbing and gabe thought he was wolf. I do think there's a reasonable chance monstr is wolf though...

How is Boog more likely a villager than a wolf?

Are you buying Ong's theory on the wagons?

How does he have no content and you think this?

If there's some secret Boog tell that I have to learn that you have experience with, you need to share.

I'm highly skeptical of anyone giving Boog ANY village points at this juncture.

And how, exactly, did you decide Monstr was more villager than Rong but now think he's a likely wolf?

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I do think there's a reasonable chance monstr is wolf though...

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Did you not notice monstr shrug his shoulders when boog was the lynch? monstr is a villager always, here. He accepted the group read on boog and accepted his lynch might not be a mislynch. Not wolf. Ever.

And Daven, since you're here please comment on Keybored. You gave him village cred for doing exactly what he does as a wolf.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Daven is voting for me because he doesn't know WTF is going on and he thinks Gabe's opinion matters.

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Since when does conf. V gabe's opinion not matter?

If anyone on FTR gets actual props for D1 soul reads from me it's gabe and dhubs (miss ya dhubs, hope things calm down for ya).

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Did you not notice monstr shrug his shoulders when boog was the lynch? monstr is a villager always, here. He accepted the group read on boog and accepted his lynch might not be a mislynch. Not wolf. Ever.

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Never is too strong a word and people throw it around too much. I think Monstr's the third-most likely villager in the game but he still has a semblance of wolf equity. If he were here posting 300 times a day as he often does as a villager, I'd agree. But he's not. He could be so annoyed that he's a wolf that he'll just shrug and accept the lynch.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Since when does conf. V gabe's opinion not matter?

If anyone on FTR gets actual props for D1 soul reads from me it's gabe and dhubs (miss ya dhubs, hope things calm down for ya).

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Since when did it ever matter? No one's been paying attention to Gabe for like 5 games in a row and as a villager he's been wrong as often as he's been right. Most notably about me.

Oh yeah sorry baudib, I forgot you prefer to keep lynches open, rather than try to find reasons a pair is v/v.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Did you not notice monstr shrug his shoulders when boog was the lynch? monstr is a villager always, here. He accepted the group read on boog and accepted his lynch might not be a mislynch. Not wolf. Ever.

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BAM!

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Originally Posted by baudib

And Daven, since you're here please comment on Keybored. You gave him village cred for doing exactly what he does as a wolf.

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BAM!


The baud/key connection is interesting.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Oh yeah sorry baudib, I forgot you prefer to keep lynches open, rather than try to find reasons a pair is v/v.

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nope i'm never lynching Monstr barring F4 weirdaments. I only have 5 pairings as acceptable lynches atm. And really, only 2.

another mischaracterization of what I said.

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Originally Posted by baudib

How is Boog more likely a villager than a wolf?

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same reason i thought he was more villager than wolf on day 1, you thought the same...

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Originally Posted by baudib

Are you buying Ong's theory on the wagons?

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nope, ong's theory is interesting but i think it's flawed

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Originally Posted by baudib

How does he have no content and you think this?

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lack of, not 'no content'. see above

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Originally Posted by baudib

If there's some secret Boog tell that I have to learn that you have experience with, you need to share.

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lolwat.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I'm highly skeptical of anyone giving Boog ANY village points at this juncture.

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fair enough. I understand your argument too, i just don't buy it. It's an easy and obvious argument to make as a wolf. If you somehow flip villager then obviously i'll have to read your posts yet again and maybe i'll find it more convincing. When you flip wolf i'll be glad.

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Originally Posted by baudib

And how, exactly, did you decide Monstr was more villager than Rong but now think he's a likely wolf?

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the monstr more likely villager read was based on thinking it highly unlikely that he'd be absent with a wasted vote in a situation where he was on the block for so long and looked like he was going to be the lynch with boog. Based on his posting since then it seems that such an absence is entirely plausible and probably isn't role-indicative. You've played with him, you could have told us that at the time... instead you were loving that mmm and i were assuming rong was more likely wolf than mmm cos it got your gabe lynch to happen. Yep, you can totally be wolfing with the monstr. Hell, you could even be wolf with boog.

I mean, if Monstr were a single player. he obviously needs to go with Boog. but he's the reason I'd lynch Wuf/hoopy over Boog/Monstr.

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Originally Posted by daven

same reason i thought he was more villager than wolf on day 1, you thought the same...


nope, ong's theory is interesting but i think it's flawed



lack of, not 'no content'. see above



lolwat.


fair enough. I understand your argument too, i just don't buy it. It's an easy and obvious argument to make as a wolf. If you somehow flip villager then obviously i'll have to read your posts yet again and maybe i'll find it more convincing. When you flip wolf i'll be glad.


the monstr more likely villager read was based on thinking it highly unlikely that he'd be absent with a wasted vote in a situation where he was on the block for so long and looked like he was going to be the lynch with boog. Based on his posting since then it seems that such an absence is entirely plausible and probably isn't role-indicative. You've played with him, you could have told us that at the time... instead you were loving that mmm and i were assuming rong was more likely wolf than mmm cos it got your gabe lynch to happen. Yep, you can totally be wolfing with the monstr. Hell, you could even be wolf with boog.

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Do me a favor and when I flip villager, don't read my posts. Spend your time trying to suss out Ong and Keybored. I'll just be another dead villager who had imperfect information.

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Originally Posted by daven

same reason i thought he was more villager than wolf on day 1, you thought the same...

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My reasoning for not wanting to lynch Boog was that it seemed to be the path of least resistance. Everything that has happened since then indicates that view was wrong.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

rilla/baudib - enough said about baudib, he's a wolf. rilla is probably a villager, but if there's a w/w pair, this is most likely.

Basically, if the wolves are all split up, it's... baud/rilla, wuf/hoopy, luco/keyb, daven/bigred
If it's w/v, w/v, w/w, then baud/rilla w/w, wuf/hoopy w/v, and one of the other two for the last w/v
If it's w/w, w,w, then it's gotta be rilla/baudib and wuf/hoopy, but I think that's very unlikely.

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Walk me through this, ong.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@rilla - my villa - where's your head on all this?
@bigred - give us something... your ship is taking on water, and it's prob going down sooner or later... please get in your best.
@wuf - If you're a V, then don't be obtuse. Nothing ITT is a reflection on you as a person. Learn from your experiences and push forward. What you assume is going to be recognized as V-cred is not correct. Revise and try again.
@Luco - Doesn't it feel good to be a gansta? I'm loving the lols, but would appreciate more content... your partner is not cleared by any means.
@Hoopy - Are you just taking one for the team or something?

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As far as weekend content goes I'm probably above average for posts.

As for keybored, well he has a knack for getting mislynched and I've been ruffling too many feathers this game so I don't see us lasting much longer tbh.

I remember when wuf-ong-and I would have exasperated arguments in these games and neither ong nor wuf "getting it".

Where's wuf? Where's his iron skull leaning into some argument?

inb4 the only things he talks about is how there's no reason to lynch him.

If baudib is a villager I think hoopy flips wolf >rand

Notice hoopy had me leaning v quite early d1 at a time when he probably shouldn't have, and now he has baudib as burnout v at a time when everyone else thinks he's wolfin

Luco, I kinda think you're not ruffling enough feathers. Also, you referring to key as a mislynch without considering the alternative stopped me pretty hard.

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Originally Posted by baudib

nope i'm never lynching Monstr barring F4 weirdaments. I only have 5 pairings as acceptable lynches atm. And really, only 2.

another mischaracterization of what I said.

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So long as you're lynching boog, you're lynching monstr.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Walk me through this, ong.

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Ok I'll do it the other way around. Clear three pairs and win, right?

I got me/rascal, boog/monstr, and drew/mojo all clear.

The bottom line is if I'm right about my villager pairs, it doesn't matter who or where the wolves are.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Luco, I kinda think you're not ruffling enough feathers. Also, you referring to key as a mislynch without considering the alternative stopped me pretty hard.

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Nope. Not gonna refer to private chat but he's villager.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

So long as you're lynching boog, you're lynching monstr.



Ok I'll do it the other way around. Clear three pairs and win, right?

I got me/rascal, boog/monstr, and drew/mojo all clear.

The bottom line is if I'm right about my villager pairs, it doesn't matter who or where the wolves are.

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No ong, walk me through how I'm probably villager but IF there's a w/w pair, I'm it with baud.

As a side note, I wish I could get away with being as retarded as Boog or Ong. Wolfin would be easy.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Luco, I kinda think you're not ruffling enough feathers. Also, you referring to key as a mislynch without considering the alternative stopped me pretty hard.

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Oh wait, I mean

I ruffled ur moms feathers last night

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Originally Posted by baudib

I will LOL heartily when I find out I hard-defended 3 wolves on D1.

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You were quite proud of saying something similar in a wolf game recently right?

'Inb4 I'm defending a wolf'

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

No ong, walk me through how I'm probably villager but IF there's a w/w pair, I'm it with baud.

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Baudib has been getting a lot of attention. I don't really see you making a great deal of effort one way or the other to weigh in on the whole baudib thing. I don't think there are any w/w pairs, this is why I think baudib is so against the idea of clearing boog. But, if there is a w/w pair, you pair seem the most likely. But it could be hoopy/wuf. Difference between the two pairs is that hoopy seems more willing to accept wuf as a wolf.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

As a side note, I wish I could get away with being as retarded as Boog or Ong. Wolfin would be easy.

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Ok it's fashionable to slap me down, but why call boog retarded here?

Has wuf posted at all since he self voted?

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Baudib has been getting a lot of attention. I don't really see you making a great deal of effort one way or the other to weigh in on the whole baudib thing. I don't think there are any w/w pairs, this is why I think baudib is so against the idea of clearing boog. But, if there is a w/w pair, you pair seem the most likely. But it could be hoopy/wuf. Difference between the two pairs is that hoopy seems more willing to accept wuf as a wolf.

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What's there sensible to say about Baud? He seems relentlessly all over the place. I go back and forth on what I think. He has a lot of posts the fade villager, but then every so often he says something that makes me want to string him up. It's reminiscent of the other game I played with him where he got lynched day 1 as a villager. In that game, I kept saying that a wolf would never do what he was doing, but he had 2 or 3 posts that really had me scratching my head.

We probably need to lynch boog now. Hopefully he's wolfin and we gots plenty of d1 stuff to help find the rest.

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Originally Posted by Luco

Has wuf posted at all since he self voted?

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No.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

No.

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Does this feel like a wolfy absence to you mojo?

We are in an interesting format game. I mean it's not uncommon for the two main wagons d1 to be villager, making the village 0-2 on their first guesses. But if that's happened here with gabe rong boog monstr then we are actually 0-4, and if wuf-hoopy are v-v as well then its 0-6

Seems very unlikely.

Boog and Wuf are the only acceptable lynches, but Wuf is probably still a better lynch because of the equity in Hoopy over Monstr.

I don't even think it's likely that Hoopy is wolfin', but he's more likely a wolf than Monstr.

if there's a W/W pair, it's Wuf/Hoopy. A distant 2nd would be Luco/Keybored.

And I think it's likely there's a W/W pair.

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Originally Posted by Luco

You were quite proud of saying something similar in a wolf game recently right?

'Inb4 I'm defending a wolf'

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yeah I said this as a villager though. You and the rest of the game wouldn't know because my current villager game has never been seen.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@key: Where are you? I need your interaction. You should know that I have a strong read on you, and given our convo in dead thread after last game, I'd think you know to be wary of making shady cases to me. I need a dish from you, key... and I better like the sauce.

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U crackin' me up, MadMoMo. Just docked the boat...been wasting away again in Margaritaville this fine day. Will catchup in a bit.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

As a side note, I wish I could get away with being as retarded as Boog or Ong. Wolfin would be easy.

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The problem is Ong isn't actually retarded, he's the best player on the site. This makes his stubborn-headedness about everything this game so alarming.

I'm not the best player on this site, I just read baudib's motives better than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Luco

Does this feel like a wolfy absence to you mojo?

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It's certainly not pro-V.

I don't know if it's actually wolfy. I keep getting all sympathetic to assumed IRL stuff associated with being an adult student. It's messing with my clear thoughts as to if he's actually wolfy.

I def. think this is out of character for wuf. Since when does wuf care in-game what anyone thinks about him?

Even my argument for giving him V-cred was speculative. I said I can see a scared villager being so crazy about reveals if he's on the block and has revealed and other people aren't revealing. A villager, especially wuf, could think his only rout to safety was to get other people revealing.

However, since then... everyone's revealed and he's still AWOL for some petulant reasons.

I don't mind lynching him if for no other reason that he's highly unlikely to ever be a cleared V-V pair with Hoopy.
(Which may or may not be a read on Hoopy; I almost always think he's wolfy, and have to concede to other V's for a read on him... preferably you, Luco, and daven.)

History and current game say otherwise.

I've had enuf...LYNCH BAUDIB

There's no path to victory that involves Wuf being a V here.

as for self-lynching, it's nothing short of sabotage. add it to the growing list of things Wuf has done this game that are totally out of character for him.

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Originally Posted by Keybored

I've had enuf...LYNCH BAUDIB

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that was insightful

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

It's certainly not pro-V.

I don't know if it's actually wolfy. I keep getting all sympathetic to assumed IRL stuff associated with being an adult student. It's messing with my clear thoughts as to if he's actually wolfy.

I def. think this is out of character for wuf. Since when does wuf care in-game what anyone thinks about him?

Even my argument for giving him V-cred was speculative. I said I can see a scared villager being so crazy about reveals if he's on the block and has revealed and other people aren't revealing. A villager, especially wuf, could think his only rout to safety was to get other people revealing.

However, since then... everyone's revealed and he's still AWOL for some petulant reasons.

I don't mind lynching him if for no other reason that he's highly unlikely to ever be a cleared V-V pair with Hoopy.
(Which may or may not be a read on Hoopy; I almost always think he's wolfy, and have to concede to other V's for a read on him... preferably you, Luco, and daven.)

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Well if you had asked me two games ago I would have told you I can read hoopy as well as anyone...

I'm obviously doubting myself a bit this game.

lynch wufwugy

Come at me, sweet release of death.

Regardless of what you think of Ong, all of his assertions this game are wrong. That's quite a feat.

There is no wolf team possible that would risk exposing themselves by making a late wolfy vote change to lynch Villa Gabe if Boog is also a villa. I mean, maybe Daven and MMM, who fear/revere Gabe's influence, but they're probably villagers.

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