The Matrix Werewolf - Game Thread

I have always heard how awesome gabe was, but in all the games i played with him he was nommed early. It's a pity that he is going to play this role and try and act shady just so in a distant future game, he can act like a douche and not get lynched -____-.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

TWTBW is too wolfy, not too spazzy. spazzy does not equal wolfy.

wolfy implies an ulterior motive. If drew had just left it at the first post, he leaves all sorts of doors open from a wolf pov... he could be laying the foundations for a fakeclaim, or he can backtrack saying it was an attempt to get the nom. But to hardclaim vanilla next post, it implies he's not thinking about this from a wolfy pov.

The fact you're unable to see village hints when they smack you in the face, it has me thinking maybe you don't want to find reasons for people to be villager, especially those easy to push like drew.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

gator hasn't been a wolf in forever, like probably since you last played.

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Originally Posted by gabe

MMM and baudib, i think you guys get it

the thing is, there are always more villagers than wolves. to make the most people happy, you should try and play ultra villager. most of the time, you are a villager, so always playing ultra villager gains you mucho win equity averaged across all the games. but like MMM pointed, winning as a wolf is worth the big monies. not all wins are equal

also its cool as a villager to test the boundaries of posting. its impossible to experiment as a wolf because of the word paranoia i get (and i assume others get). where every sentence you reread and go "shit are they going to see how plainly i'm a wolf?"

i'm freeing myself from that. or at least trying... god knows i couldnt type a post with this detail and tone as a wolf

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just saw this post...i agree with your line of thinking, and i agree that it is unlikely that you are a wolf while playing this, however working on some stupid meta so that you can maybe get the glory of a wolf win at the expense of the camaraderie of sustained village dominance, seems lame.

whoooaaa philly there is no douche intentions going on. i want to see the village win. its not like im bolding villagers or VIGing the angel (lol) or anything sinister

the first two posts were quoted and supposed to be a separate post lol. I was multi quoting and saw gabes post and ADD kicked in. I was multi quoting the first two to see if Ong's perception has changed since he thought that BID's first post could have been wolfy and now BID is confirming that the first post was accurate and the hard villager claim was the joke

the ultimate goal is to always have your team win. everyone should agree with that

SIDE NOTE: what do we have to do around here to get that stupid multiquote stuff fixed. also its impossible to browse between pages on mobile (for me at least). mega sigh @ ftr

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Originally Posted by JKDS

because BID has never, ever, spazzed something dumb as a wolf.

He wolfy

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Yes to this.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Rilla seems villagery so far. I like boog too

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But why is rilla a villa?

Philly looks like a solid addition to the crew.

I've obviously gone back and forth on Gabe/MMM a few times already. I'm satisfied that MMM isn't being wolfy.

My village lean on Boog is probably too thin to even talk about right now so you can probably disregard that. Still pretty confident on my thin read of Gator.

If I had to kill one person right now it'd be JKDS and it's not even close.

Thing with gabe is, would he be so bothered about how suspicious he looks if he was villager?

gabe has proven himself as a wolf time and again, there's no reason for him to be butthurt over a bad game to the point of mixing his game up with weirdness.

Nah, it's much more likely imo that he's wolf again and his immediate concern is how suspicious he looked last game. I don't see why he'd be in this frame of mind if he opened up a villager role pm.

Gabe comes off as genuine in his line of thinking. It hits close to home as I understand the idea of playing as a wolfy villager to better play as a wolf. Gabe is on my TWTBAW list.

also my second multiquote was supposed to be BID saying that his first post was the real deal and not the second....all around posting fail by me.

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Originally Posted by gabe

SIDE NOTE: what do we have to do around here to get that stupid multiquote stuff fixed. also its impossible to browse between pages on mobile (for me at least). mega sigh @ ftr

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I find I can browse stuff on mobile but can't post anything.

I think the multiquote clears when using the 'Go Advanced' option rather than quick reply.

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Originally Posted by baudib

If I had to kill one person right now it'd be JKDS and it's not even close.

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But you're voting for gabe.

Oh god it's starting. You're doing things that make me think "wtf is he doing".

I was just about to dare to say I was leaning town with you.

Anyway, why is JKDS the best lynch right now? I don't like him either right now, but it's based on him having very little to say except dishing out unexplained town reads. I wouldn't say it's enough to put him at the front of the queue. Then again, I'm not so keen on a gabe lynch today, despite me thinking he's wolfy for thinking immediately about his image.

BID is incoherent. Why claim power role day 1 and then claim you don't want to get nommed night 1?

I have no idea how people tolerate internet on phones. It makes me want to throw my phone against the wall.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

BID is incoherent. Why claim power role day 1 and then claim you don't want to get nommed night 1?

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Fuck knows, but more importantly, does it give an insight into his alignment, and if so, what do you suppose his alignment is?

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Fuck knows, but more importantly, does it give an insight into his alignment, and if so, what do you suppose his alignment is?

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Well, BID might know. I'll tell you if it gives an insight into his alignment if I find one.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Fuck knows, but more importantly, does it give an insight into his alignment, and if so, what do you suppose his alignment is?

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BID should answer Rilla's question. We can gain insight into his alignment that way. BID, why claim power role if you hate getting lynched D1 like you apparently do half the time?

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

BID is incoherent. Why claim power role day 1 and then claim you don't want to get nommed night 1?

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Just letting my emotions flop through me and into FTR, bruh.

Due Theory says BID not a wolf

i think the wolfiest post was MMM joking about hard criminals

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Originally Posted by BooG690

BID should answer Rilla's question. We can gain insight into his alignment that way. BID, why claim power role if you hate getting lynched D1 like you apparently do half the time?

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I was fake-claiming a PR so that the wolves would nom me N1. I was being unselfish and +EV for the village.

Then I remembered that not surviving into D2 is no fun.

So I retract what I said.

I'm a vanilla villager.

~ this message brought to you by dhubs ~

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Originally Posted by gabe

Due Theory says BID not a wolf

i think the wolfiest post was MMM joking about hard criminals

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IMO gabe played fine in the recent games and flipped wolf again.

The wolves are:

gabe
MMM
& someone else

MMM strikes me as being fake while gabe is putting on a charade and throwing MMM under the bussing.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I was fake-claiming a PR so that the wolves would nom me N1. I was being unselfish and +EV for the village.

Then I remembered that not surviving into D2 is no fun.

So I retract what I said.

I'm a vanilla villager.

~ this message brought to you by dhubs ~

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And then you retracted that and reasserted that you're a power role.

Then you said dying N1 makes you sad.

lynch bankitdrew curiosity's killing me, cat.

my name in red letters again

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

And then you retracted that and reasserted that you're a power role.

Then you said dying N1 makes you sad.

lynch bankitdrew curiosity's killing me, cat.

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im leaning that BID is a special role and the wolves kill him anyway. but now less so after its been pointed out

i still think that BID turns up vanilla a ton here like i said on page one. The only special i can see him being is the innocent child. And i rarely see him as a wolf taking this line, although (im saying this a lot -__-) this is my first time playing with him and he could be on that level, just unlikely.

rescind
lynch gabe

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

And then you retracted that and reasserted that you're a power role.

Then you said dying N1 makes you sad.

lynch bankitdrew curiosity's killing me, cat.

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This game is incredibly boring sometimes. I felt like spicing things up and seeing what happens.

According to rilla, if you flip flop on being a villager PR on D1 - you get killed.

hilar

well in rillas defense, i dislike your approach for a similar reason i dislike gabes. We are out for information. The more you intentionally confuse the village, the less EV it is for us.

i disagree philly. by posting, we are giving information. the ultimate uncool werewolf move is to intentionally post nothing

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

This game is incredibly boring sometimes. I felt like spicing things up and seeing what happens.

According to rilla, if you flip flop on being a villager PR on D1 - you get killed.

hilar

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When asked to reflect on your play for the day, you couldn't remember or explain it. Even now, when I'm spelling it out for you, it's almost like you can't follow along.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

When asked to reflect on your play for the day, you couldn't remember or explain it. Even now, when I'm spelling it out for you, it's almost like you can't follow along.

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What the fuck are you going on about?

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Originally Posted by gabe

i disagree philly. by posting, we are giving information. the ultimate uncool werewolf move is to intentionally post nothing

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This

rescind gabe
lynch rilla

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Originally Posted by gabe

i disagree philly. by posting, we are giving information. the ultimate uncool werewolf move is to intentionally post nothing

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This is def true...i guess its more in his case than yours, but it seems like at this point with his "Special....villager....special....villager... .eat me n1....dont eat me n1" that he is just confusing everyone and adding more to the confusion. I think he is too all over the place to be a wolf, but he isnt doing us any favors. I guess maybe he is serving as an easy target so we can examine who piles on but meh.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

According to rilla, if you flip flop on being a villager PR on D1 - you get killed.

hilar

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Do you not see why this is an awful play for the village or do you just not care?

For drew to be a wolf, he's making a right fucking mess of explaining something that would be really easy to explain.

I mean he'd have to be setting out to be deliberately trying to be so confusing as to not look wolfy. That's a strategy that I can't even see being attempted, let alone winning.

There's no thought process at all going on here. Wolves at least have a thought process. Villagers don't think about what they're doing to the same degree as wolves... like, image. Villagers don't care about image, wolves do. Here, it looks to me like drew really doesn't give a fuck about image, because otherwise he'd at least try to make some fucking sense.

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

This is def true...i guess its more in his case than yours, but it seems like at this point with his "Special....villager....special....villager... .eat me n1....dont eat me n1" that he is just confusing everyone and adding more to the confusion. I think he is too all over the place to be a wolf, but he isnt doing us any favors. I guess maybe he is serving as an easy target so we can examine who piles on but meh.

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I can get behind this.

my bad

So is it this, BID?

1. Fake claim PR to bite the bullet for the team.
2. Retract to have more fun
3. Reassert the claim to stir the pot and have more fun.
4. Worry that you'll take one for the team and have no fun and eventually walk away from the claim.

hey mmm, ong is a villager

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

So is it this, BID?

1. Fake claim PR to bite the bullet for the team.
2. Retract to have more fun
3. Reassert the claim to stir the pot and have more fun.
4. Worry that you'll take one for the team and have no fun and eventually walk away from the claim.

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hahahaha YUP! :D

rescind BID

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

hey mmm, ong is a villager

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I really wanna say you're incorrect just to fuck with you, but I'm concerned people won't see it for the obvious joke it is.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I really wanna say you're incorrect just to fuck with you, but I'm concerned people won't see it for the obvious joke it is.

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risky post this would be if you're a wolf

like, i bet you've been dying for me to be wrong about you, just so you can talk about it.

I'm reluctant to say it because I've forgotten if philly is a good wolf or not, and I'm too lazy to check, but I think philly is a villager. Everything he ssays seems to resonate with my thoughts quite nicely. But maybe he's a super slick wolf. Can anyone remember?

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

risky post this would be if you're a wolf

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Yeah but I'm possibly the only one with the balls to actually say it.

And this.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I'm reluctant to say it because I've forgotten if philly is a good wolf or not, and I'm too lazy to check, but I think philly is a villager. Everything he ssays seems to resonate with my thoughts quite nicely. But maybe he's a super slick wolf. Can anyone remember?

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Even if someone can remember how philly was a wolf years ago - it' doesn't matter because it was years ago.

I'll stop. I'm sorry you're right drew I'm a villager, I'll stop trying to be funny.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Even if someone can remember how philly was a wolf years ago - it' doesn't matter because it was years ago.

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Yeah I mean more if he was able to carry a good villager tone, because that shit is kinda natural.

wolf pool:

BankItDrew
baudib
BooG690
Hoopy
JKDS
MadMojoMonkey
SuperMonkeyFace
wufwugy

transwolf pool:
gabe
possibly BID

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Yeah I mean more if he was able to carry a good villager tone, because that shit is kinda natural.

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i assume no one can do a fake village tone until proven otherwise. when someone pulls it off well, we remember

i've been called a lot of things in my life...super slick is not one of them

Hey I just had a great idea.

lynch wuf

in b4 mountain of text

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Originally Posted by gabe

Due Theory says BID not a wolf

i think the wolfiest post was MMM joking about hard criminals

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What's Due Theory?

Someone made a joke about Viagra on the first page. I was playing along. That's the only Viagra joke I know.
Except for the one I made up about SMF's bamboo. That was all me.
:highfive:

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

The wolves are:

gabe
MMM
& someone else

MMM strikes me as being fake while gabe is putting on a charade and throwing MMM under the bussing.

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I hedged pretty hard pre-game, and wasn't going to play at all except that rascal is :cool: and he needed a couple of players.

Expect a more light-hearted game from me, with the exception that I have Wed through Sun off of work, so probably will spend the usual amount of time on the game those days. No graphs, though. Maybe we get lucky and rascal gives us graphs with the VC's or at EOD.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

hey mmm, ong is a villager

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Duly noted.

gabe

if he meant it, he would have told us pre-game. this new strategy probably arose out of the den chat where he was like 'oh man im wolf again last time was so tough i dunno wat do' then summat else was all 'yo playa i got this sick ass idea where you can play wolfy and eat your cake too'

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I'm reluctant to say it because I've forgotten if philly is a good wolf or not, and I'm too lazy to check, but I think philly is a villager. Everything he ssays seems to resonate with my thoughts quite nicely. But maybe he's a super slick wolf. Can anyone remember?

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i wolfed for like two hours with philly (before bikes modfucked up and restarted the game). he's probably a better wolf than he is villager. not saying he's a bad villager, just that he's probably a creative wolf.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Yeah I mean more if he was able to carry a good villager tone, because that shit is kinda natural.

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this. he does this.

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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

in b4 mountain of text

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heh, love it.

i dont do that shit neemore son

lol I love how I vote wuf in the stupid hope it makes him appear out of nowhere, and I happen to log back on at the exact moment he posts.

rescind

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

this. he does this.

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Ok well he best lynch us some wolves then.

I kinda like a gabe lynch but I kinda hate lynching gabe on d1.

Conflict.

i have a hard time thinking he only comes to his strategy change conclusion after he sees a v pm instead of at any point after last game and before this game.

Wasn't it wufwugy who said that people always overestimate the amount of actual collusion that happens in den threads?

Isn't that the core of his argument against gabe?

There is strength to the other parts of what wuf said about the timing, but I don't buy the idea that gabe needed to be advised.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

i have a hard time thinking he only comes to his strategy change conclusion after he sees a v pm instead of at any point after last game and before this game.

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Well said

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Wasn't it wufwugy who said that people always overestimate the amount of actual collusion that happens in den threads?

Isn't that the core of his argument against gabe?

There is strength to the other parts of what wuf said about the timing, but I don't buy the idea that gabe needed to be advised.

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you are correct. i have said that. the collusion thing was just painting a picture and trying to be funny. it's unnecessary. gabe probably would come to the conclusion by himself.

still i would suspect that he posted it during the 24 hr period and others were like 'good idea' or soemthing. regardless, no case should ever rely on what we think went on in the den. it's way too unreliable.

@ong:
I agree on Philly. My first impression is villager knees, but on reread, I fall back to neutral.

I'm not convinced on gabe as a wolf. wuf makes a good point at the suddenness of the decision, but not enough for me to go against my own read at this time.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

i have a hard time thinking

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Ha

lynch wuf

heh

Heh heh

Obv I didn't seek den approval before hitting the thread

We need a den for the transwolves. Those who can't help looking like wolves but aren't and still want to chill

Gabe, do you plan on helping the village at all? If so, how?

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Originally Posted by BooG690

Gabe, do you plan on helping the village at all? If so, how?

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Yes. Posting. My goal is for wolves to hang

But I gotta say that you are testing the limits by asking me 2 questions at once

Lynch gabe
He's a wolf > 10% of the time and he adds no value to the group. This is the best lynch by a mile.

Gabe, without actively looking for villagers, you made yourself useless. You're like that new trans person in the community that can't stop raving about it. Stop raving about it. Just be fucking trans and go about your business.