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OngBonga
keith logic. It's only one step up from ong logic. I'm not forcing anyone to work. Saying I am is like me saying you're forcing me to type words right now.
When my options are to a) work, b) starve, then yes, working is slavery. If those are the only two options I have, then I work. But they're not the only two options I have. Fortunately I'm not a slave.
defeating you own argument with your own logic is funny.if working is slavery when there are only two options work or stave that means that by extension when you have more options working is no longer slavery so why are you opposed to working on the grounds that working is slavery?
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I'm not even sure what your point is. So I'm generalising. The point is, bosses tend to treat their employees like shit. But ofc if it wasn't for the employees, boss wouldn't have a fucking job himself. Boss should show employees more fucking respect.
This cuts both ways Ong. Bosses that treat their employees like shit don't generally get a productive workforce as morale is low and the employees don't give a shit . The flip side of that is that employees who show their boss/company no respect tend to get no respect from their bosses/employers. The guys who float around doing as little as possible tend to end up with the grotty jobs nobody else wants to do, not offered overtime when its available or have someone on their backs all the time making sure they aren't slacking off. the guys that work hard , and show interest get promoted , get the overtime when available and tend to be left to get on with their work as the bosses know that they will get the job done.
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Fair enough. But I don't see any other viable options. Emphasis on viable before you make more crazy suggestions, like joining a circus maybe. It's either work or claim benefits. Claiming is at least taking from the system instead of giving. It's not even a selfishness thing here. I'd be happy to give to the system if I felt the system was fair and honest. But it's not. So fuck the system. I'd love to withdraw entirely from the system, but how do I pay my rent and buy food?
see previous response about communes , kibbutz or other self sustaining commuities. If you want to opt out of capitalism on principal there are ways of doing so . Don't expect to lie in bed all day and smoke weed all night though if you go that route.
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I've actually considered charity work, and it might still be something I do. It's not as simple as just going and doing it. For some faggot ass reason, the benefits system frowns upon it, so if I go and work, even for no money, then it compromises my benefits. Go figure.
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/volunteer...fits.pdf?rev=1
that seems to explain it clearly enough. you should be able to volunteer to do charity work which wouldn't normally be done by a paid employee in order to gain experience in order to get a job in the future as long as it doesn't interfere with your ability to go to an interview or be available for work.
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Also, "lazy cunt" is not something that I find insulting either. You're gonna have to try harder if you're trying to piss me off.
wasn't trying to be insulting , just an accurate description of the image you portray.
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Are you fucking serious? That's like saying you should happily eat a radioactive chocolate bar because chocolate is bad for you. Fucking hell keith you're really reaching hard here. Furthermore, spraying shit onto cannabis plants affects the taste, and therefore the quality. The fungicides when smoked are a lot fucking worse than the cannabis itself, because they're not designed for smoking, and people don't tend to wash their weed before smoking it. It's not like a tomato. When it comes to the risk associated with cannabis, that's a risk that people are willing to take, for the same reason people take risks when it comes to alchol. People like to get wasted. Just because cannabis isn't good for you, does not mean that makes it ok to spray it to high hell with whatever shit you like. You're talking crazy here keith.
all you do there ong is demonstrate your ignorance. Doesn't 50+ carcinogenic compounds in weed smoke scream out to you that weed isn't designed to be smoked either. What the fuck difference will 50+ carcinogenic compounds or 51+ carcinogenic compounds make? What evidence have you that "taste" will be effected.How do you know that the moulds on the weed you produce don't cause cancer either?. Check out aflatoxins.
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You are wrong. They might make more money than me because they'd go large scale, but when it comes to quality, mine would be superior because mine would get the close attention the plants need to thrive. You're a farmer aren't you keith? Do you really think that an industrial crop can match the quality of a home crop? Whose tomatoes are going to be better? Nan's from the greenhouse? Or Tesco Value tomatoes?
the difference is that nan isn't going to make a living off the tomatoes from her small greenhouse as she won't be able to charge enough to cover the small scale and most people refusing to pay much more for her tomatoes than for tescos value tomatoes. What are the kids binge drinking getting drunk on ? its not the expensive lagers and spirits , its the cheapest ciders and lagers that they can get hold of.Sme thing will apply to them getting high. why will they get high twice on your expensive weed when they could get high 4 or 5 times on tescos value brand.
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Let's entertain you for a minute and say you're right, that I couldn't compete with international companies. Hooray cheap as fuck weed. It's win-win for me either way.
yeah and the end of you producing weed instead of working/dole , you still just be sat on the dole smoking weed and probably less likely to actually be fit to hold down a job.
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Check you out jumping to the wrong conclusion. I've never voted because I despise British mainstream politics. I've never been particularly political through my younger years, so didn't really bother to find out what the Greens were all about. So I was left facing a choice between dog shit and cat shit, because that's basically the two options we have when it's Lab/Tory. I'm not voting for either of those. Next year I will vote, because I found a party that suits my ideals. And when we finally get an EU referendum, I'll be voting then too, make no mistake.
and when everyone is promised a living wage for doing nothing and takes them up on it and does nothing , where the the money going to come from . Its a typical slogan of the unelectable , they promise unrealistic policies because they will never have to put them into practise. You hate capitalism , how did communism work out, all you ended up with were fatcat party bosses living lives of luxury at the expense of the majority of the population.
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But please keith, don't be one of those stupid people who thinks that apathy = undemocratic. There's actually quite a few people who have for a long time been very much disillusioned with the political system in this country. That's how apathy creeps in. Some people are just plain lazy and don't care, but the majority of non-voters usually have a legitimate reason. And you have no right to judge them for that reason, no right whatsoever. It's no better than me saying you're a terrible human for voting Tory/Labour.
If they don't vote they have no right to complain. THeres plenty of protest candidates in every election so vote for one of them if you don't like the main stream parties and register you disapproval of the mainstream parties. look how ukip votes are scaring lab/tories shitless . that is a result of people registering their protest votes and not sitting at home and doing nothing.
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Here you're really letting me know what your problem is. It's not that I don't want to play the game. It's that I'm enjoying my time rather than being more miserable than those who are working. You have a problem with me getting stoned while you're farming. I get that. But remember you called me fucking selfish? You're no better if you expect me to work at some shitty job to make you feel happier about paying tax.
lol...you want to take from society and put nothing back, its as simple as that.
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It's a matter of options. If I say I don't want to work, then do I get benefit? I don't know, I don't really want to test the water in that respect. But there's a big difference in pretending to look for work and pretending to be sick. The latter gets me more money, so not only is it lying in order to survive, but it's acting fraudulently in order to get more money. I actually have a moral problem with that. I don't have a moral problem with pretending to find work because they don't exactly give me any option in that respect.
Whew that was fun.
And saying that you are looking for work when you have no intention of actually working isn't fraudulent? Or are you just discerning in how fraudulent you want to be?.
