Let's talk about the impending apocalypse for a bit.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...rime-minister/

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It was my mistake to suggest that the literal institutional racism of literal government institutions doesn't exist.

Also, this shit happens to whites too. Nobody seems to care though so the media doesn't care.

Sorry wrong article...

this is the one I meant...

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...-now-official/

What's the point?

The UK doesnt charge white people with terrorism.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

The UK doesnt charge white people with terrorism.

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That's racism if you can show that the charges were unfounded and the investigators or prosecutors didn't care and instead they based it on his race.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

That's racism if you can show that the charges were unfounded and the investigators or prosecutors didn't care and instead they based it on his race.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30247980

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...anchester-bomb

Note the BBC article doesnt even tell us what he was actually charged with, in an effort to obscure the institutional racism at work here. The BBC is, of course, the closest thing we have to state controlled media. Only they pretend to be unbiased. Hilarious.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-24675040

Holy fuck they told us he got charged with murder instead of trying to keep it a secret.

Anyway, this is terrorism when the defendant is a Muslim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Not the best article seeing as it only goes to 2006 but take a look at the names and see if you notice a theme...

Anyway, terrorism is the perfect example of institutional racism in the world today. White people are not terrorists, they are murderers.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Not the best article seeing as it only goes to 2006 but take a look at the names and see if you notice a theme...

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You're listening to the wrong ideas.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

You're listening to the wrong ideas.

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Oh.

Yep.

Forgive me, I thought I was tasked with demonstrating that institutional racism exists. Have I failed?

Yes. You're showing something that is not racism but disparate outcomes based on arbitrary standards.

So most terrorists are Muslims. Charging more Muslims with terrorism does not signify racism of any sort. However, if you could find that the institutions standards for charging were different from different races, then yes you would have institutional racism. It would be racism by an institution. The weaksauce common usage of "institutional racism" on the internet is one where there isn't racism in the first place.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Yes. You're showing something that is not racism but disparate outcomes based on arbitrary standards.

So most terrorists are Muslims. Charging more Muslims with terrorism does not signify racism of any sort. However, if you could find that the institutions standards for charging were different from different races, then yes you would have institutional racism. It would be racism by an institution. The weaksauce common usage of "institutional racism" on the internet is one where there isn't racism in the first place.

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That isn't what he's talking about at all. The UK media (& I imagine the US is worse) really has confined the word terrorist to mean muslims. Other terrorist attacks carried out by christians or whoever else it may be don't get called terrorist attacks & the people committing them certainly aren't branded terrorists.

It doesn't fit the narrative. Although the trouble in Ireland has obviously died down a lot in my lifetime any events over there are never called terrorism in the news.

Sounds like bad reporting and racism.

This is what I'm talking about when I denigrate the idea of institutional racism:

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Institutional racism is the differential access to the goods, services, and opportunities of society. When the differential access becomes integral to institutions, it becomes common practice, making it difficult to rectify. Eventually, this racism dominates public bodies, private corporations, public and private universities, and is reinforced by the actions of conformists and newcomers. Another difficulty in reducing institutionalized racism is that there is no sole, true identifiable perpetrator. When racism is built into the institution, it emerges as the collective action of the population.

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It's a bullshit idea of racism existing without racism.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

This is what I'm talking about when I denigrate the idea of institutional racism:

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Institutional racism is the differential access to the goods, services, and opportunities of society. When the differential access becomes integral to institutions, it becomes common practice, making it difficult to rectify. Eventually, this racism dominates public bodies, private corporations, public and private universities, and is reinforced by the actions of conformists and newcomers. Another difficulty in reducing institutionalized racism is that there is no sole, true identifiable perpetrator. When racism is built into the institution, it emerges as the collective action of the population.

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Oh. Not this?

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

All it takes is law involving the government's differential treatment by race.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Yes. You're showing something that is not racism but disparate outcomes based on arbitrary standards.

So most terrorists are Muslims. Charging more Muslims with terrorism does not signify racism of any sort. However, if you could find that the institutions standards for charging were different from different races, then yes you would have institutional racism. It would be racism by an institution. The weaksauce common usage of "institutional racism" on the internet is one where there isn't racism in the first place.

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Not "most" terroists... "all".

Not since the IRA days have we had a white terrorist. Thanks savy for reminding me of them. But yeah, they are no longer referred to as terrorists.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Oh. Not this?

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Yes, not that. I clarified earlier. People use "institutional racism" to mean two different things. One is literal racism by literal institutions. That's a real thing. The other is some froo froo make-believe "oh you'll see it if you look hard enough because everybody knows that disparity=racism" flim flam.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-a...b_8718000.html

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Yes, not that. I clarified earlier. People use "institutional racism" to mean two different things. One is literal racism by literal institutions. That's a real thing. The other is some froo froo make-believe "oh you'll see it if you look hard enough because everybody knows that disparity=racism" flim flam.

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Yes, but charging Muslims with terrorism, and non Muslims with murder, for similar offences, is not make believe "you'll see it if you try hard enough" racism. I'm a little confused why you don't recognise this for what it is.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Yes, but charging Muslims with terrorism, and non Muslims with murder, for similar offences, is not make believe "you'll see it if you try hard enough" racism. I'm a little confused why you don't recognise this for what it is.

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Sounds like it's an abuse by employees of an institution (at the very least) based on race. I have no problem calling that institutional racism.

The phrase is used to mean two totally different things. I thought you were getting at the other ridiculous meaning.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Sounds like it's an abuse by employees of an institution (at the very least) based on race. I have no problem calling that institutional racism.

The phrase is used to mean two totally different things. I thought you were getting at the other ridiculous meaning.

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No, it is a matter of policy, it is insufficient to argue this is rogue employees of the state.

We just had a white dude kill a serving MP. He had links to a neo Nazi group. He was a far right extremist. He got charged with murder.

This is not rogue employees were talking of here. This is rogue policy.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

No, it is a matter of policy, it is insufficient to argue this is rogue employees of the state.

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Even clearer institutional racism. Why didn't you just say that the government policy on this issue is racist?

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

Even clearer institutional racism. Why didn't you just say that the government policy on this issue is racist?

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um... sorry it wasn't as obvious as I thought it was that's what I was getting at.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

How about "The New Deal"

It was a federal program which allowed the banks to continue their practice of labeling predominantly black neighborhoods as "high likelihood of default" and to summarily refuse loans for anyone living in those neighborhoods. It disproportionately funneled money into white families, allowing them to buy homes in new suburbs and send their children to college. The legacy of this is far from dead. Many of those white kids are still working professional careers which they only have because their parents could get loans.

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It's called negotiating.