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I may make a new avatar in celebration of boogs return.
boog has missed most of the best games
changed your sig for you BID in honour of boogs returnQuote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Hilarity in night chat aside, BID improved his wolf game tremendously. I'm left wondering what the problem ever was and how it got fixed. Maybe he just got comfortable. Maybe it was the modding. Whatever it was, the clownshoes from before appears gone
how, trying to lynch gabe on day 1 was opportunisitic for a wolf and something a villager wouldn't have tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Thanks, wuf, but I think you're giving me too much credit. 90% Of the time, I'm on cruise control in WW.
I don't understand how or who someone is shooting themselves in the foot after I mentioned changing my avatar.
Keith?
Yeah, Keith... it's not like BID was a wolf last game who accidentally shot himself in the foot by posting a private comment to the village vig about how to win as a wolf or anything.
That would never happen in a million years.
What gives?
Holy cow. That happened so long ago.
Y'all needa remember BID's old wolf game. Infuriatingly bad. He'd vanish for a week then pop in just to say LOLOLOLOL then re-vanish
Opportunistically lynching Gabe and shooting himself in the foot is a huge improvement
LOLOLOLOLOLQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Motherfuck.
Ehh, I feel like the 'too good to lynch d1' thing is losing traction anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith
I wouldn't go that far, but I think I get your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I haven't been playing in these games for too long, but gabe's reputation precedes my join-up date. I have not seen a game where gabe lived past D3 (with personal fault for voting for him at least a couple of times).
So while I know that he's got the skills based on personal interactions I've had with him, I have not really witnessed his skills in action.
I have not seen gabe wolf in any way that was profound or effective. (I saw him get modkilled in the anon game.)
So for me, personally, I think gabe's threat level to the village is not very high, and his help to the village is notable.
The threat of ong/Luco/rong/Keith/daven (in no particular order) looms much greater in my mind.
rep is terribly overrated. jkds ong and maybe baud are probably the best players here merely because of their experiences in different games with advanced strategies and a deeper understanding of general dynamics
imo killing players based on rep is almost always wrong. instead it should be about denying (or preserving, depending on alignment) narrative control. great players get tripped up on a regular basis, but it's very hard for any team to come back from losing the narrative.
Am I in the right place? Wuf spoke of the best players here and didn't mention himself.
http://i.minus.com/iSyAckx9Ch01K.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
bigred's IRL issues:
http://www.best-gif.com/wp-content/u...h-cats-too.gif
Seriously tough... Mind blown that a cat is seeing the visual swirley trick.
I don't know why it would be weird, but it caught me by surprise.
:h: bigred
I don't think I'm one of the top 6-7 players here.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
The rest of your post is interesting.
The bit about narrative control sounds like he's flirting with genius.
It's wuf, so this ambiguous use of words probably means that he was exactly flirting with genius.
I'm curious to see if he develops this idea into more than a vague notion.
Time will tell.
I included you because you have experience with all sorts of structural dynamics that we don't. JKDS uses them a lot, Ong as well, but none of the FTR purists (like me) seem to. They can be very powerful tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
A while back Ong said the main difference between MS and FTR is that over there they try to read into the tendencies of the game, where on FTR we try to read into the tendencies of the individuals. That's not his wording, but it is what I gathered from what he said.
Have I mentioned narrative control before? I know I typed up a big post on it not too long ago, but probably deleted it. It's one of those things that I don't necessarily want people to know I think that way, but it doesn't matter. Talking about it is probably better anyways
The short of it is that without cinching via specials, the team that wins the last couple game days is almost always the team that dominates the sentiments of the voters.
Take the game Hoopy modded for example. Some time after Baud and Gator nommed Bigred and Aubrey outed as the seer, Baud stated that he thinks he and Gator would have won if he hadn't convinced Gator away from nomming Aubrey instead. I'm not sure I agree, and the reason is because the seer chase Baud and Gator had been on for multiple night phases had led them down a path away from narrative control. Seer hunting was high-risk even when successful. Dhubs and Bigred were doing nothing. They had no power to convince other players away from mislynches. But they were the final two noms due to this seer hunt. Meanwhile, JKDS and I were doing a ton. We were the biggest day phase threats, but the wolves left us alive.
Let's look at three different scenarios.
What actually happened on Day 5:
BID
Luco
wuf
baudib
JKDS
aubrey
Gator
rong
The seer outs (because the seer always outs here). Two wolves in a group of three: Luco Baud Gator. One cursed in the whole field
What could have happened if JKDS and I were nommed instead of Dmex and Bigred:
BID
Luco
dhubermex
baudib
bigred
aubrey
Gator
rong
Aubrey outs, making the wolf list the same: Gator Luco Baud and the cursed anybody
But all of a sudden, the village is not so hot. None of the remaining villagers were putting in much effort. None of them were in a position to rally votes. Even Rong, in his old active style, was never a village leader. So now from the wolves perspective, they have to try to find a way to trick this list:
BID
dhubermex
bigred
aubrey
rong
You couldn't ask for a village more unable to control the narrative. That has nothing to do with the soulreading skills of the players, just that their styles are not aggressive or consensus forming. This opens up all the doors for the wolves, even in the dire situation of an outed seer. I think they would have seen the power in a fake seer outing, and that if they can just nail the cursed, they'd be the favorites to win.
Now for the wolves' most preferred outcome, where they hit Aubrey instead of Bigred:
BID
Luco
Wuf
baudib
bigred
JKDS
Gator
rong
Now there is no seer outing, but to win the wolves still have to get a mislynch or two. But now they're relying more on luck since the two villagers controlling the narrative, me and JKDS, were unlikely to be thrown from any good read we got, and we could almost assuredly get other players to back us up. This gets to the heart of why I think wolfing is much harder than it may seem. A strong village by a d5 endgame is so so so hard to deal with. In some ways harder than dealing with a handful of confirmed low-activity villagers.
Killing the seer wouldn't necessarily save the day for them. Coming into d5, my two most suspicious characters were Luco and Gator, and I was quietly sitting on a read over Baud. I think there is no way JKDS or I would have bolded each other. It's very unlikely we would have thought BID was a wolf anymore due to the previous Daven lynch day. All of a sudden, the field of wolves is STILL very small in the eyes of the villagers controlling the narrative even though the seer was killed before outing
All that said, I'm not expressing an opinion on what the wolves should have done, just that the seer-chasing that led them away from narrative control had its own risks, especially if they missed (which is what happened)
Bla bla bla bla bla let's play.
good to see that newboog is sameboog as oldboog
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Well, maybe not exactly. I only thought three blahs.
I've actually decided I don't care about getting better at WW.
I stopped caring about getting better when I reached perfection around a year and a half ago.
I will be quieter than usual this game regardless of role. January is a very busy month for me
FYPQuote:
Originally Posted by Luco
:lynch:
:shipit:
I will win regardless of role, January is a very busy month for me.
Here's a thought: playing when you just don't care is very +ev in the long term.
Sad isn't it.
No, I've not been drinking. Who said that?
monsieur rong forgets that he'll be the policy lynch
Here's a tip for any vig who wants to make it look like I'm the vig... shoot rong.
funny if rong is the vig .....could see bid making that play though .
First half of January will be super busy for me.
No need to worry about me wolfing if I'm quiet, unless of course I am a wolf, which I won't be, probably.
January is a great month for me to play WW
quack
I just wanted to see that avatar again. It makes me happy.
i have a boatload to do in jan. this is a game i seriously dont want to get wolf. which means i probably will
i might have to delay a couple days. I think we need a couple more, too.
yea im going to be moving around a bunch starting the 5th but i might as well be in the game anyway
do you guys have the willpower to hold off until march and have the most intense game ever??
Sure, I can wait until March.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
In the meantime, let's play a game!
Send an invite to settecba. I told him about WW in IRC a little while ago and he was interested.
I haven't seen him post in a few, but it's worth a shot.
Have we started yet?
If baudib's game is fizzled, then someone else mod a game.
I did the last one.
Yeah hurry up baudib before someone else steals your mod.
im going to mod a game this year but i cant do this one. i will have another freeroll for $ that is bigger than the last one. i have no ideas on how to make it "secure" (no cheating etc.) i would love to have only "regs" in the game that i wouldnt have to worry about colluding to win money. but im never sure on how to guarantee that
I'm board...let's roll, britches!
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
just word it so that only FTRs WW regs can win the $ but all are welcome to playQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Sorry guys. I ran into a bunch of personal issues near the end of the year and spent the weekend in a poker coma.
Let's try for Friday start and a long first day over the weekend.
Hey there baudib, sorry to hear about the personal issues and hope it all gets resolved soon. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I'm excited about a baudib-modded WW match and am looking forward to redeeming a poor V/V performance from last month. I'll be ready to go whenever you are.
Sorry guys been swamped. I will sort through this and get this started this Monday. Have to readjust since we don't have 20 or so but it'll work. gotta message a couple people to see if they'll play.
philly and the phanatics is an old skool player and he's site active again, so drop him a pm. It's worth a try.
baudib is full of lies. LIIIIIEESS!
wolfy.
I think we all knew that the size of the game was going to be smaller than we were led to believe... reminds me of push-up bras.
baudib is a push up bra.
Just take your top off, we only pretend we care what boobies look like when they're hypothetical boobies.
Lol
bras
I'm a leg man.
Wait...
I was a leg man.
WHEELS AND THE LEG MAN
Baudib tits or gtfo
in
WUT
WHO IS THIS GUY PLAYING
Gonna rand with these people.
Would like 1-2 more
Luco
OngBonga
Dhubermex
Keybored
Rong
BankItDrew
Wufwugy
JKDSDaven
MMM
Monstr
Gabe
Hoopy
Keith
Boog
Hurry up please.
Please let me be vig.
But how will I shoot you?
can't wait to shoot wuf
i'm going to be fairly low content this game if i play - i'll be offline 17th/18 and again a big chunk of 23rd-26th = might be better if i sit this one out?
I'll be at a wedding 17th and 18th.
gabes playing cards ...how inconsiderate :;
sending out role pms. am still writing some and I'm at work but should have them through by this afternoon.
role pms sent. PM me if you didn't receive one.
I will set up game thread later tonight and open the thread for night 0.
if anyone has questions about their roles, send me a pm before i open the game thread. would be good to have things clarified before posting the general information.