So, I crush my BF in most games...

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Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

Interesting. I did start playing that but I was emulating it and stopped using that computer soon after, so it fell through. I wouldn't mind going back to it. I'm currently playing FFIV on my phone. Older games tend to be good like that. Breath of Fire 2 was fucking great and fairly challenging, if I remember correctly. Chrono Trigger was relatively easier but the battles were always so damn fun for some reason. Marle's Haste always felt sooo cheap though. What else was good... Oh! Speaking of simple but challenging: Earthbound! Earthbound was a fucking fantastic game on all fronts.

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The original FF is one of my old favorite games. Try the party fighter/fighter/red mage/white mage. The fighter duo makes the game a lot easier (put them in front), red mage is just generally solid and has key spells (FIR2, FAST, et al.) as does the white mage. You can use HRM with the white mage to deal with packs of undead monsters early in the game. S/he also gets a lot of other useful spells, and there is a point midway through the game where you can get an item called the zeus gauntlet, which when used as an item in battle acts as LIT2. It gives the white mage a good general attack for the second part of the game. There are other good parties of course, but that is a good one to get started with.

Chrono Trigger and FFIV are also great games. I have probably played through CT once or twice and FFIV a few more times.

I never played BoF2 or Earthbound. Might check those out when I have a little more time.

I'll play it soon enough. I'm always looking for new handheld games especially because I commute a lot. Thanks for the advice though. Yeah, a party comprised of half melee, a quarter magic offense and a quarter magic healing sounds like a good way to go. :P

Breath of Fire 2 is a great game. It's a little bit childish but in a quirky, unique way. It was good in the way of weapons and item upgrades, fun battles, interesting world and characters to navigate amongst.

Earthbound is in a league of its own. It's an incredibly strange game with a lot of meta-humor. I mean, this is just one of many strange enemies you fight: http://lparchive.org/Earthbound/Update%2018/22-s17.jpg You play as Ness, who was also a playable character in the Smash Bros. games. This game has a really odd mix of humor, but I'd overall call it absurdist. Absurd, strange, and very funny.

JKDS - you should totally tell him the whole, "get better or stop playing", but, in a more gentle joking type of matter. When my boyfran wants me to play video games with him, and I'm like, "I suck at this, I hate it, and it makes me angry and gr", he gives me similar lines of, "Well, if you don't play any you won't get any better at it." It doesn't work on me, 'cause I'd rather do something else than play video games.

However - I did purchase some MtG cards before xmas, he got me some Hello Kitty sleeves, and he beat my ass a lot in that, but only cause he has a massive deck of win. A few days ago we were at a friends place, they were playing MtG, and the frand has a new girlfrand now that plays loads of video games, and boyfran and frand were saying how they need to get her to come play cards with 'em, and then boyfran looks over at me, and was like, "And you need to get your damn cards out!". He doesn't take it easy on me either when we play - and I get angry, and want to physically harm him, but I don't, and I realize I just need to strategize better. Still makes me angry, though. Oh well, at least he got me some hello kitty sleeves.

omg lol Magic the Gathering. I want to play that again so bad. I've only played one real game, ripped out of my skull. But it was good times.

Last card games I used to seriously play were Pokemon in elementary school, and the Sailor Moon card game every Thursday with my two friends at the local comic book shop in 6th grade. I was very, very cool.

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Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

omg lol Magic the Gathering. I want to play that again so bad. I've only played one real game, ripped out of my skull. But it was good times.

Last card games I used to seriously play were Pokemon in elementary school, and the Sailor Moon card game every Thursday with my two friends at the local comic book shop in 6th grade. I was very, very cool.

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I para-RPed online 'til I was in my late teens. I was the coolest. I never really played card games before, or any games for that manner.

When you say para-rp, do you mean forum-based prose roleplays? Like each person has a character and continues the story by actually writing it out? 'Cause uhhh I totally did that too. All the time. Moonwings.com represent.

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Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

When you say para-rp, do you mean forum-based prose roleplays? Like each person has a character and continues the story by actually writing it out? 'Cause uhhh I totally did that too. All the time. Moonwings.com represent.

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Lol - yes, I mean that. Cept I did it real-time in rooms, til they were shut down. I also did the forum RP. It did teach me better typing skills. My grammar is also better than a lot of people I know, but, ah well. Commas still confuse me, and I probably use too many of them. Oh well.

Well, I would let my friend choose the activity, it would probably not even be a game and it would probably be more entertaining. Some people are better at making money, staying in shape, or bettering themselves or society and would consider game playing low on the scale of their worthwhile endeavors. I would choose to play against a computer versus playing a human if their skill level is not up to your standards.
I know when I play tennis I just practice hitting the ball back and forth to another player keeping no score. Sometimes, the people I play cannot even hit a tennis ball, so I hit the ball directly to them and I am stuck chasing the return they hit all over kingdom come getting a good workout in. I do not need to let them know they are not a good tennis player. If I wanted my tennis fix, I would look elsewhere. If you want your game fix, I'd suggest likewise.

Growing up with two brothers I learned from a young age that, with video games at least, you have to let them win sometimes so that they can enjoy playing against you. I threw a lot of games back in the day and still do against my kids and stuff. I do in fact have a competitive streak in me but it's intermittent, suffice to say the W isn't everything and just playing and having fun is generally more important.

I had exactly one question about jkds saying 'bf' (is jkds a girl?) and it got answered.

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Originally Posted by Luco

Growing up with two brothers I learned from a young age that, with video games at least, you have to let them win sometimes so that they can enjoy playing against you. I threw a lot of games back in the day and still do against my kids and stuff. I do in fact have a competitive streak in me but it's intermittent, suffice to say the W isn't everything and just playing and having fun is generally more important.

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There's just absolutely no challenge in that though.

The sense of achievement I got when I started beating my dad at stuff (he'd never let me win) is so much better than if he'd have let me win. Also teaches you to think about how you get better at stuff and learning. There will be times when the person losing will get annoyed and angry, as a kid especially, but it teaches you to deal with it.

It also teaches you not to be a fgt who goes "ohh it's the fun of playing not winning" which is the most important thing.

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Originally Posted by ImSavy

There's just absolutely no challenge in that though.

The sense of achievement I got when I started beating my dad at stuff (he'd never let me win) is so much better than if he'd have let me win. Also teaches you to think about how you get better at stuff and learning. There will be times when the person losing will get annoyed and angry, as a kid especially, but it teaches you to deal with it.

It also teaches you not to be a fgt who goes "ohh it's the fun of playing not winning" which is the most important thing.

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Meh, my older brother was never that big on video games so he never stood a chance. There's quite a challenge in throwing a game without making it obvious, and it's not like I did it all the time. Plus, there was a tipping point around the 6th or 7th loss where he'd just punch me lol

On your argument that winning is the most important thing, you're way off. Take chess - would you rather hulksmash your 6 year old niece 10 times in a row, or have 10 close matches (that you lose) against a better opponent? That's why winning isn't everything.

Some of the most fun I've had online have been matches I've lost - but admittedly, I was trying my damn hardest in each of them (no mercy for randoms!).

I never said winning is the most important thing.

I'd also rather have a very close game and lose than batter someone at something, but I'm not going to let people beat me so it's more fun for them. If I was playing chess with someone who was young I wouldn't try to beat them as soon as possible, I'd try to teach them as we played but they wouldn't win until they got good enough to beat me.

The people who say winning doesn't matter shouldn't care when they lose, because winning doesn't matter. The people who do care about winning should be trying to get better enough to beat me. If they are a sore loser I just wouldn't play with them.

If I'm losing at something I may get pissed off with myself, but I don't start crying to the person beating me.

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Originally Posted by ImSavy

If I'm losing at something I may get pissed off with myself, but I don't start crying to the person beating me.

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Will you be my brother?

I've never thrown a board game (especially chess) and I rarely care when I lose at anything. Except mariokart because it's so random, fuck them blue shells.

Fuck. Them.

I remember reading a Russian botter complaining on 2+2 about Party confiscating all his GF's roll. Thee sexist bitches found it implausible for her to have been crashing nl25 with no previous experience and have played 200k hands in a month.

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Originally Posted by Luco

Will you be my brother?

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I'd fucking ruin you on computer games.

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Originally Posted by ImSavy

I'd fucking ruin you on computer games.

:)

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If I let you ;)

This is a really interesting thread.

I am ultra competitive and I am also a really sore loser, which is never a good mix.

If I don't think I am very good at something, like darts, I don't mind losing (unless the person I am playing is a bad winner). However, if I feel I am above average at any given game/sport, I just can't take losing.

Me & my best friend have had so many fights after a game of Fifa that we just don't play against each other anymore. Whilst I miss the competition of playing him, I wouldn't put our friendship on the line for the sake of a computer game.

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Originally Posted by ISillyDurrrAK

I remember reading a Russian botter complaining on 2+2 about Party confiscating all his GF's roll. Thee sexist bitches found it implausible for her to have been crashing nl25 with no previous experience and have played 200k hands in a month.

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Y U NO BANNED

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Tanes flipped me, turns out I like 'em big(ish)

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we can blame triptanes? sweet! i'm in.


damn u tanes!

To help polish the idea that I don't care about the result of winning or losing: If I'm competing alone, I'm alone by some artifice of a game or competition. If it's an artifice, I'm going to need a reason to respect it.

So if I'm playing tennis, or a card game, or nhl the roaring 20s, it depends on why I'm at this alone that governs how dedicated I am to the result. Even if the competition is test taking. So for poker, or exams, it's easy for me to see why I am at, for tennis or video games, there's nothing. Someone has just found a reason to put me against you, and I don't need to engage.

For team sports, I can get into them really deeply. Because competition of us versus them is so much easier to slip into. The stupidity of rules means less before the enjoyment of team cohesion, the difficulty of sync'd minds and bodies, the test of helping everyone get to the best result possible, and that dream of being more than our rudimentary parts.

In werewolf, for example, I used to love being part of the village in the struggle of the scattered many against the murderous and well-informed few. I never took to the wolf side quite the same but I always enjoyed trying to form the 'we' in a game that's fundamentally built around natural suspicion of everyone.

In fact, when I was a wolf, it was easy for me to think about how much better it is for the village to win and just roll with it. Players should be able to recognize that after villager wins, people usually want to fire up a new game, but after wolf wins there is a lag period where everyone recharges their batteries. I'd like to believe I was always part of team villager when I played.

So I guess my position isn't my taking to good clean fun as much as it is a desire to be a part of 'we' that just isn't in a lot of single competition. And if the single competition alone doesn't offer any merit to achieving the result, I disconnect.

So Jkids, how 'bout you and your brofriend play competitively together *awww*

Interesting how different all of our motivations can be. For me, two games back I got a bit bored because I figured it was going to be near impossible for a wolf team to fool the regulars anymore. Main reason to keep playing was to hope to roll wolf and see if I could fake being a villager consistent with my normal play. Then the game after, the wolves won and this was awesome and very motivational for me to play more.

But yeah I'm not impervious to the enjoyment factor either. If everyone hates a game you win at, noone is going to want to play again. I remember when me and the group I occasionally play board games with pooled some money together to buy a few new ones. One was a card game, I quickly thought up an optimal strategy and won the first two games. We never played it again. Our big purchase was a fantasy strategy game. After 2 games me and my buddy thought up a winning strategy when you start with the Norse, after that we tried to sell the game on ebay but nobody wanted it. I can totally play for social reasons and not try my best too, but that's mostly when playing with people who don't care to win much themselves, when the game is more a filler for a meet-up.

Wow, maybe I'm lucky that I naturally suck at games so this isn't an issue. I always try to play 'optimally' and my wife usually just sits down green and beats me by doing basic stuff.

JKDS LoL RUINS RELATIONSHIPS!

Update: I went with the "just man-up" approach, plus the "you either have to try and get better than me, or accept that im better" approach. I wouldnt say either went over very well, but neither did it cause any kind of relationship friction.

He explained to me a few nights ago that, to him, a win is a win. He seems to not think a victory that I gave him is one to look down on, so I'm going to try just letting him win a few times and see what happens.

A win is a win even if he didn't earn it. That shows he has no real competitive spirit and only plays for the social aspect. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I wouldn't push it anymore to get him to be competitive. Or at least not really expect him to change.

Funny this got bumped, was just thinking of this thread today.

I think the worst form of this is in games in which sabotage is a big part of what makes the game what it is. For example, in the basketball game "knock out", there are people who will get upset or give you scorn if you purposefully bump another player's ball. Dude, it's a competitive, winner takes all, hectic, but silly game. This isn't fucking hackey sack; you should be absolutely ruthless, and if you're not, you're doing it wrong.

Haha. I guess, when it comes to competitive games, I'm either teaching someone else, teaching myself or playing to win except in vary rare circumstances.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

So Jkids, how 'bout you and your brofriend play competitively together *awww*

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We've actually had the most fun doing this o.o

There's a marval deck building game and this lord of the rings game that are co-op and that ended up being a pretty good night.

Sick bump, JKDS.

Please keep your opinions on who he's bumping to yourself, we're trying to cultivate a tolerant forum here

You keep me grounded, kiwi, and I thank you for it.

JKDS, I meant to say that I respect you as a person and tolerate this thread you've shared.

You worded that so delicately that it sounds like you're insulting him!

he didn't put footnotes explaining that it's facetious, so we should take it as sincere.

I know that he is being mostly sincere. Rilla is formulating his opinion in the most correct way, I was just having a little fun with it.

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Originally Posted by eugmac

he didn't put footnotes explaining that it's facetious, so we should take it as sincere.[1]

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Too late!

Wait, what? JKDS is a bummer?

If you crush your bf so much, either lose some weight or let him go on top

I don't think going on top works like that with man on man. I might just be lacking the required imagination though.