Sort Your $*%&in' Life Out!

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Originally Posted by ImSavy

Thanks :P

Pokers actually been going really well, got a stake with some coaching on a 50/50 profit split and I'm currently crushing 10nl zoom for about 6bb/100 AIEV all be it over a smallish sample.

Aim is to be playing 25nl zoom at the start of next year and make a SN run ending the year playing 50nl zoom, maybe even 100nl should be possible if I put in the study.

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Np. I was just looking through to see if any fish had luckboxed a score and spotted one! Seems an odd payout structure though for a 4-handed shootout where everybody is all-in every hand - the Advanced shootout paid nearly 50% of runners, which is stupid in a tournament of this structure.

I've got mixed feelings about Zoom. On the one hand, most of the profit at the tables comes from table and seat selection (which isn't possible at Zoom ofc). On the other hand, you can play a bunch of hands but still get some time to make tricky decisions compared to 10-12 tabling standard, since you don't have to routine fold hands on the side and move your mouse around like maniac. I suspect the average player is weak at Zoom too - thoughts?

Your aims seem more than reasonable and hitting SN at 50nl is doable if you 4-table Zoom and average around 55 hours per month. 6bb/100 is good enough to move up too as long as your sample is 50k hands+.

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Originally Posted by ImSavy

ImSavy: hey dud
ImSavy: why won't you play me?
Cater3: will i must?
ImSavy: i don't understand
ImSavy: you don't have to
ImSavy: but it's strange joining tables
ImSavy: and then you leaving all the time
Cater3: i know you
Cater3: so dont play you
ImSavy: how do you know me?

Moving up in the world, people refusing to play me :lol: (I have like 20 hands with him and he's down like 5bb)

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Just spotted this. There's a handful of players at stakes as low as 25nl that table start, then leave the table when I sit directly opposite and they then go and start another table. I just chase them around for shits and giggles - if they don't want to play HU, why do they open tables?! I'm really bad at HU too.

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Originally Posted by The Bean Counter

Np. I was just looking through to see if any fish had luckboxed a score and spotted one! Seems an odd payout structure though for a 4-handed shootout where everybody is all-in every hand - the Advanced shootout paid nearly 50% of runners, which is stupid in a tournament of this structure.

I've got mixed feelings about Zoom. On the one hand, most of the profit at the tables comes from table and seat selection (which isn't possible at Zoom ofc). On the other hand, you can play a bunch of hands but still get some time to make tricky decisions compared to 10-12 tabling standard, since you don't have to routine fold hands on the side and move your mouse around like maniac. I suspect the average player is weak at Zoom too - thoughts?

Your aims seem more than reasonable and hitting SN at 50nl is doable if you 4-table Zoom and average around 55 hours per month. 6bb/100 is good enough to move up too as long as your sample is 50k hands+.

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haha thanks, I liked the structure tbh. Isn't meant to be a tournament just basically a good way to get people to put in some extra VPP and giving everyone a little bit. I've gone for advanced this week, hopefully put in enough volum today to end on about 250vpp.

I'm really liking zoom atm player pool is bad enough, the games at least up to 100nl (dunno about higher) are apparently easily beatable for a decent bb/100. The sample isn't that big unfortunately, and I doubt my true win rate is as high as 6bb/100 although the games are soft enough that I don't think it'll be much lower. Although I think some of the problem is because I realise how bad, when in reality I'm quite good compared to the standard of the pool.

What I've been told is that the average zoom reg is probably slightly worse than the average reg at the level above for the lower limits of zoom. But you don't get the fun of playing with fish all the time, I somewhat enjoy not having that. I was going to mix zoom & reg, but have really gone off reg tables atm. 6 tabling was really hard for some reason even though I 4 table zoom without any real hassle.

I'm thinking 3bb/100 at 25nl zoom is going to be the aim for the first few months of the year. I worked out that 3.5k hands a day for 300 days is about SN pace or 3k hands a day every day. Which is more than doable, especially if I factor in moving up.

The more short term aim though is grind out enough to play 25nl zoom for the start of the year. Staker was reasonably happy with the above idea and has said if I'm close enough come the end of the year he'll make up the difference so I can start playing.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if your winrate was less than 6bb/100 at 10nl and you can expect to be earning more than 3bb/100 at 25nl pretty quickly. If you're smart enough and do a bit of study (tick on both counts) and your mental game is strong, you'll be fine with a modest amount of experience.

It makes me laugh when I see on 2+2 that crushing the game is considered to be 4bb+ at any level. Sure, I think that's the case at 100nl plus, but lower is not the case at all once you've played a few hundred thousand hands and some of your knowledge has become what Jared Tendler refers to as unconcious competence. You'll realise once you get towards the 50nl level and if you dropped back in to 5nl/10nl that double digit win rates are more than possible over a large sample (but obviously there's no point financially). I mean I regularly go on short-term spew sessions where I drop 5BI-10BI in an hour and 25BI in 10k hands and still beat 10nl/25nl for a few bb/100 over a large sample. I don't know what those guys on 2+2 are doing, but they've obviously got huge leaks.

People think they are much better than they are. I'm pretty comfortable beating the stake and I'm awful. Like I do really basic shit pretty well and don't spew a huge amount (still make too many "hero calls") and the rest I just have a decent understanding of some poker concepts. If you looked at my ranges in a lot of spots I can only imagine how horrible they look to a good player. I also think my general style just fits well at the stakes I'm playing atm, like in certain spots I'm probably exploitable in a vacuum but because people spew so much postflop it's not as big a problem as it would be higher up.

I think people beat a stake and think they are the dogs bollocks so when they move up and get beat they just make up excuses rather than it's them being bad.

Also a lot of it is to do with people asking good players what's a good bb/100 and they get told 5bb/100 and assume that it means all stakes not 200nl+ type thing.

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Originally Posted by The Bean Counter

if they don't want to play HU, why do they open tables?!

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because they're all withered bum hunters that only want to play massive drooling fish.

Stars is allegedly going to do something about this problem and force people to play x hands when they open sit HU cash tables. Not sure when this is going to happen, though.

It's not HU Cash tables he's talking about though. It's people who table start 6max tables and then leave when you are the first person to sit. It's really strange. And in my example I had literally played a couple of hands with the guy.

Yeah, meant 6-max really. For somebody to start a dozen tables and then leave each of them within 0-2 hands of me sitting opposite to only start another table is just stupid.

The HU lobby on Stars is absurd though. When I looked at low stakes recently, there were 50+ tables with 50+ different people sat at them and only 2 tables of action.

I assume it's the same thing. They wanna play a fish and you're not a fish so they leave. And hope that you don't follow them ;)