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I now no longer think Benjen will be found a White Walker. They kinda killed doing that right with the zombie reveal in this ep. So now IMO Benjen should be some kind of alive and hiding. Maybe the WW didn't kill him for some mystical reason, maybe they don't even know he's out there just barely hiding
I also feel like the Lannisters shouldn't be strong enough to beat back the armies of the north and what should become of the Baratheons and Arryn loyalties. It shouldn't be much of a competition, so far the show has made it seem like on the main land the vast majority of the loyalties are Baratheon/Stark. If the story goes this direction I expect them to still make the Sansa/Joffrey marriage for purpose of peace so they can battle the Dothraki with unity. I would write it as the Lannisters slowly start losing, but Ned goes out of his way to make peace to end the bloodshed and prepare for the Doth. I mostly roll really traditional lines in storytelling though
LF and Varys look to be two opposites of the same coin. Both smart savvy tricky powerful etc all in the same way, they want the same thing but opposites. Varys wants war between Stark and Lannister so as to usher in the Dothraki. LF is the only person who knows he's conspiring with foreign dignitaries. LF, OTOH, wants peace and thinks the best way to do that is Lannister rule. This is because he won't have much power under a Doth rule. Looks to me like what Varys does is for the benefit of the Doth, and what LF does contrasts that
Wow, I think that is the most false post you have ever made.
Varys carried out Robert's orders to have Dani killed. The wine merchant's poison failed, but Varys is in no way working for the Dothraki. LF just wants power for himself, he couldn't care less about peace, and as far as everyone in Westeros knows, the Dothraki are not a threat as they do not have ships and have never crossed the narrow sea.
We'll see. Varys carrying out the orders doesn't have to be what it seems. Daenerys dying or just an attempt on her life would have the same effects its had. How do you explain Varys becoming noticeably uncomfortable when LF mentions the foreign dignitaries?Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
LF is indeed looking out for himself. The best way I see him doing that is by Westeros peace. This was strongly suggested in his convo with Ned where he's noticeably upset with the "so it's Stannis and war?" IMO, that's when he decided to turn on Ned
also i thought it was varys who arya saw walking through the dungeons talking about killing the hand of the king and the lion and the wolf going to war etc
edit- in the book it doenst hint that it is varys at all but in the show it sounded a lot like his voice and he was fat.
yes that was varys. the show suggest that was the meeting/convo lf knows about too
Apparently over on Television Without Pity, several posters are running a strong similar line to mine on the Varys/Dothraki invasion thing. FWIW, the Completely Unspoiled Speculation thread is much better than the 2p2 one. I almost don't wanna read it because I think some of their macro speculations are probably very accurate. A bunch of pro-TV goers or something
I know at first I said I hope they roll some awesome mysticism/mythology, but now I don't. They're doing such a tremendous job with a human drama battle over power, I honestly don't like the fact that it appears creatures and powers will be brought into it all. It's like you get several episodes devoid of anything mythological, but then it appears some of the most important stuff that happens will be the mysticism stuff. Should be two diff shows, but we'll see.
meh, I think the zombies are awesome and don't feel forced on the show. As long as people don't start casting fireball spells and riding dragons, I'm cool with it.
I'm mainly referring to speculation by people who don't know what's going to happen, but it makes a whole bunch of sense and they might be right
So I guess I'll post it. Possible spoiler, but not a confirmed spoiler at all. It's only a spoiler if it's true and it figured out where R.R. Martin is taking the story
***The idea is that the dragon eggs don't hatch until Winter for mystical reasons, and that dragons are the only thing that can kill the Ice Zombies and White Walkers and all the evil from there because dragons have fire. This may be what has happened since the beginning of time in cycles, the "song of ice and fire", the interplay between the monsters of the north and monsters of the south, and the human "game of thrones" is in a way filler. This makes way too much sense to me that I bet it is true. It would mean that things probably take a backseat to dragons and WW and possibly Daenerys becoming "what she truly is" and also speculation that Jon Snow's mother is a Targaryan (which would explain Ned's behavior), and he might also be a dragon***
If this is true, I don't like it because it's a different story than the human battle for power, and I love that and want it to be paramount
srsly lold at this
http://i.imgur.com/v2vS5.gif
Ya, that .gif is great. In the 2p2 thread there are a bunch of arrested development GoT verticals that are awesome.
As for the speculation, I thought it was confirmed in an interview that there will not be dragons/wizards/fairies. But that doesn't mean that actual dragons can't be replaced by the Targaryns in your speculation. As for Snow, I really don't think he's a Targaryan, but I don't really have anything to base that on, so w/e.
Sidenote: funny that "aryan" is in Targaryan.
yeah dude do you know the source of the GoT AD stuff? Shit is funnier than it should be
Nah, I have no sauce.
I feel like I want Ned to die by way of public execution at the order of Joffrey/Cersei. That's hard to swallow because he's such a hero and fan favorite, but it's also the right way to write a story like this IMO. You gotta make the real hard decisions that reflect reality instead of fantasy justice, and replace the fallen hero with a new hero (like Robb)
I love Ned in the story though, but Hollywood-esque storytelling sucks
Ya, I'm with you man. I don't think Ned will die, and on one hand I don't want him to, but on the other I think it would probably make for a better story. I think there are ways to write it where he doesn't die, but the writing is as respectable as him dieing... I just think its much more difficult.. third levelish, yanoe?
On the flip side, I feel like they're not gonna kill Ned. It's fucking Sean Bean and he's on the cover. Some posts over on TWP are really making a case for that too. Like how the Sansa pleading wouldn't have happened if Cersei wasn't looking for a reason to spare him. A post made on there included
which I think sums up what I said at first about how they can't kill NedQuote:
You can't kill Ned Stark because the Northerners like only a handful of things and Ned Stark is one of them. Kill that guy and they'll be hell to pay.
I mean, they certainly can't kill him this season, so I guess that would mean they can't kill him in this story arc. And I think Cersei can try to get Ned to bow to Joffrey, but also reserve the possibility that she will have to kill him if he doesn't kneel.
Side note: her constipation faces were bugging me in e08.. not enough to ruin the show, or even for me to dislike her as an actress.. but it just felt a little silly when she would give Sansa those "I've gotta poop, but it just wont come out." glares.
i wish i could post in this thread still, but after reading the book its just not right to do so =(
as for last episode i think the zombies are kinda lame, show had enough going that they didnt need zombies...any normal crazy creepy monsters would do, but iguess we knew they were zombies after the first scene of the show when that girl is dead on the tree and then shes got the white eyes or w/e (that scene doesnt even happen in the book), i just didnt want to accept it.
how fucking gangster was it when Drogo ripped out that bitches throat?!
well it appears that no character is safe on this show
kinda like that
whoa..
I'm still in shock.
edit: ya I really appreciate that this show isn't scared to man up and do what has to be done to tell an amazing story. I think the last 5 or so episodes have been the best episode yet up until the next episode came out. I know we still have one more episode to go, but I feel pretty confident in saying that this is the greatest season of a show to ever be broadcast.
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Originally Posted by boost
This was the ep they submitted for the Emmy's, I think.
Very pleased. I love how the author gives every reason for the logical course of action, but then human things get in the way.
Not particularly pleased with the blood magic stuff, but that's just because I keep getting the feeling it's going to impose itself on a better story. But R.R. Martin has shown so far that he knows what he's doing, so I'll let it go
Oh I understand the blood magic thing now. Sorta. Her baby's gonna be born in that shit, and there will be something very special, perhaps monstrous, about him/her
What's the rumor about ep 10 leaked?
it's pretty much confirmed bullshit... google turns up pretty much nothing.
I wish I could think about things like others can but I typically just regurgitate cool things others find.
For example, 1st episode, Ned beheads a traitor with his sword (same sword used to behead Ned although the episode did a poor job of explaining that) even though the guy had good reasons for what he did and was only treason by the day's fucked up logic.
Then, later that episode a stag and the direwolf go at it (Ned and Jamie(?)) killing each other and leaving just puppies behind. Just some cool parallels.
the stag was the baratheon symbol (lannisters are the lion)...and him (ned) going down to help the stag (king robert) ended up killing him so it was definitely some foreshadowing....i knew that it was going to be a bad omen, i just didnt think he actually was going to die.
also im pretty disappointed at the fact they did not show how badass the imp was in battle...in the book he killed 2 niggas in an epic fashion, instead we had to watch 10 minutes of that sweet drinking game -____- (yes i know hearing that story about his dad and the whore was key for char development, still would have liked to see some actual battling)
As Drogo was dying, I was getting the thought of the epicness of him dying yet Daenerys somehow retaining power. I doubt it will happen because I can't figure out a single plausible way to write it, but that would be a slam fucking dunk if R.R. could pull that shit off. He would have to truly bring out Dany's greatness of character to get it done. She did excellently in this episode, even. Only way I could think of getting it done would involve Jorah being her champion and defeating all comers, but that doesn't flow well at all. There would have to be something we don't yet know about that changes things. So IMO they can't kill of Drogo yet because without him they lose half the story arc
Best I've seen yet on Jon Snow is he could be Raegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark's child. I think that would still qualify him for a Dire Wolf, and all the stuff about Ned and his bastard could be explained as well, as his honor probably would have led him to keep the secret from even his wife. If it's true, I'm guessing the Targ at the wall knows, but doesn't yet realize he knows.
For some reason I feel like Arya needs to be gradually morphed into a fan champion. Down the road, she needs to kill a Lannister or two. Perhaps she will kill The Mountain in a sort of battle where all his great brawn can't stop a Needle of Braavos slipping through his neck
I feel like there shouldn't be that many White Walkers. Maybe like twenty or so, maybe even fewer. They should be bigger faster stronger smarter than humans, and feel no pain, but their greatest power is in their evil necro powers. I feel they need an epic fight scene between one WW and brothers Mountain and Hound. There has got to be a reason the Clegane's are written as beasts among men
Hodor, at the direction of the captured Wildling girl, will save Bran from an Ice Zombie, I bet. He's got giant's blood, after all
You just had to know Ned was gonna lose his head when he was gonna be sent to the Night's Watch. That would be some awful writing to put his character up there IMO. Much better to martyr him. Robb is an even better character though IMO
I feel like Joffrey's about to get his shit pushed in. He's not gonna wanna give anything up to save his uncle Jaime, but then Cersei will tell him about the twincest. And Grandpa Tywin might have to choke a bitch for killing Ned and fanning war flames. Joffrey can't be king for long. He's young and stupid, and signed his own death warrant with defying his elders' wishes by killing Ned. Power and loyalties are Tywin's, he has zero friends other than the Kingsguard (sans Barriston's cake carving ass), and guys like LF and Varys will probably try to find ways to get rid of him now. He can't be controlled, he has no real friends, so something will happen to him. Would love to see the Lannisters go Fredo on his ass, but doubt it'll happen like that. Could simply just be something like Tywin/Cersei et al hatching a plot to reign his ass and make him a good boy
The pImp's new girl is Dothraki. She's gotta be. Her conversational behavior is impressively blunt. That's gotta be for a reason. Not sure how R.R. writes women so damn well. HBO does have a knack for producing better female characters than other networks. Just take a look at Rome's Atia and Servilia. Some of the best character work I've seen, and chicks at that
Part of me was hoping to see Littlefinger be the one to get Ned killed so he could then trick his way into wooing Cat. How awesome would it be for the audience to have to sit through the man who murdered their hero banging his wife? Shit bad like that is standard for life, but nobody wants it in film, for some reason
Will be interesting to see what happens with Sansa. I think she's very hard to write at this juncture because she's become a third wheel since she can't marry Joffrey. I wouldn't mind seeing that marriage forced down the road though, but no Stark would ever even try to make it happen at this point, so that won't happen. I hope it doesn't become a Sansa for Jaime trade. Cool shit needs to happen with the capture of Jaime, not just used as a swap
Stannis needs to show the fuck up. Hell, even Renly and his boi toi need to show up, but Stannis moreso. The man is supposed to be an animal in war, and with his backing, Tywin's army will get steamrolled especially with what happened to Jaime's army
I'd also like to see Jon Snow desert. Everything he does is balls to the wall. After he hears of his father's killing, I think he has to desert to go avenge the murder, and the writers just gotta know how to make it work
I also, feel like everybody at the wall will die. If they don't, the Winter is coming stuff doesn't make much sense. I love Samwell too. Perhaps a little rough at first, but everybody needs a fat friendly insecure smart guy in their life
Also, I had the thought from the very beginning, but it appears others are getting it too
That the witch poisoned Drogo. Perhaps the baby is the real sacrifice. I figured that wasn't the case because Dany took the girls as daughters and I figure they would then try to keep their good fortune, but maybe not
Stark's youngest daughter gonna be Lara Croft/French resistance chick ?
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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
I'm not a super nit, and I am not going to cry about minor spoilers and stuff... I'm in a thread discussing a show that is based on a book... no matter what I will read some shit that is semi spoilerish.
That being said, giving details about entire scenes from that book that got skipped in the show is pretty spoilerish. Not spoiling the show, but spoiling the scene in the book should a show watcher want to read the books someday. I guess it's not really a huge deal, but if you insist on comparing the books and the show, just don't give crazy details... might be better to just say "ya, this/that scene was different/present/not present in the book." and leaving it at that.
I've found book readers in 2p2 thread spoiling more than they know. It's minor stuff so I guess I don't care, but an example will be when a book reader says "oh neato I like how they did so n so's character", what he's really saying is "expect so n so to stick around for a while". Curiously, I didn't see too many of those posts about Ned, and that was part of why I expected him to not be a main character as the story deepens
I can say three characters I'm certain will stay alive and focal for the majority of the series just because of comments by book read 2p2ers. It's not really a big deal though. I find that really smart non-book readers are spoiling more for me than that, as they're getting a lot of the speculation right
yea i feel ya, ill refrain from it in future
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(45 seconds in)
I'm still shocked at the beheading. I read this thread just yesterday and decided for myself that this would probably not happen. I just figured the show would use one good character as an anchor for the audience. When the prince's speech about mercy took a wicked turn, the hair stood up on the back of my neck. Wow. One swing of the sword and BOOM!! I no longer know whose story this is.
It truly is like the whole series thus far is backstory so that the audience really understands why there is war marching from the North. Nothing is better than having the rug pulled out from under what I thought a show was going to be about.
EASY T SITING
totally did not expect stark to lose his head - wtf
Just had a thought. Snow and Jorah will have a face off. Or more like, they will almost have a face off, but Jorah will notice his father's blade, and that will be the beginning of some long and important alliances
I wanna join this thread but I've read the books. I shall leave you be, enjoy people, enjoy.
Whilst we wait for more theories and the last episode... Let's hear your favorite quotes from Season 1. Mine might just be this one --
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The next time that you raise a hand to me will be the last time that you have hands.
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Robb: If we do it your way kingslayer, you'd win...
....We're not doing it your way.
i already quoted my favorite, where robert smacked cersei and then she was like "ill wear it as a badge of honor" and he said "where it in silence or ill honor you again" rofl
yup, so many good ones but this sticks out to me as the best as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
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tonight i look upon your face
screenshots of walkers. im sorry but that shit is creepy
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that is the quote you picked wuf?!?!? .....-_____________________-
and yes i understand that was when she first started to come to power and realize her own strength and it was the first time drogo saw her as more than just a piece of bed meat...still doesnt mean it was a cool quote.
somebody getting raped stops getting raped by loving the man raping her. sounds pretty epic to me. that whole side story was one of the best in show, and that line summed it up quite well
i wont say its the coolest, but its what i remember the most
holy shit... this shit just got real.
I was wrong about pretty much everything I thought would happen...
I just finished watching e10 and I'm thinking about watching it again right away...
So much to discuss; I don't know where to start.
At the risk of scrunching up my panties and jamming them up my dandy, I'm not entirely thrilled. I find a likely disconnect between "A Song of Ice and Fire" and "Game of Thrones". I want to watch a game of thrones. The story smacked the shit out of every other show on that alone, but the magic and fire and ice seems to be overtaking it all.
I should also stop reading that thread on TWoP because they get most of the big speculation right. Like Arya going to the Wall, Daenerys stepping into a fire and not burning in front of her people, Snow abandoning yet not pulling through, and the eggs hatching.
I think my thing is that I like humanity more than anything. I want to see the human fight over power, but I'm sure that will end up taking backseat to the powers of fire battling the powers of ice. Hopefully it doesn't become a silly duality like LOTR, but who knows
In a way, I feel like it's the easy way out. You know Dany has to cross the Narrow Sea, but with Drogo on his deathbed and the Dothraki abandoning her, it became an extremely intriguing prospect to plausibly write a story where she still gets the job done. But now not so much because oooooh she's magical oooooh she has dragons ooooooh everybody will bow and getting across now will be easy peasy lemon squeezy
They are doing the right thing with Sansa though. Here's to hoping nothing gets in the way of her revenge
Oh and I totally forgot: Rickon is gonna turn out evil. He's gotta. His doggie is big black and scary. GRRM pays too much attention to symbolism.
I understand your concerns, and I guess now that I am not high and I think about some of your points, I can agree that the human story taking a backseat to the magic story is a little worrying. That being said, there was a ton of awesome implications and even more character development. I'm pretty sure we saw more character growth in this episode than the previous 9 episodes.
Awesome shit to look forward to:
Sansa vs Jeoffrey dynamic
Tyrion vs Jeoffrey dynamic
Arya, Roberts blacksmithing bastard and Snow being badasses together up on the wall
etc...
That being said, I do think that Dany's storyline went from one of the most intriguing to probably the least interesting.
Oh and, I want to point out how awesome it is that we did not get cliff hangered. The show tied up pretty much every loose end, but also set us up to be hungry for more. I think this is pretty impressive, since every other show on the air cliff hangers the shit out of you... and it always just feels like a cheap trick...
I agree, Daenerys went from most interesting to least. She's gonna become the Mad King IMO, with a lot of "burn them all" shit going on. Perhaps the witch taught her that kindness isn't rewarded.
Something will come up with Mormonts being on both sides of the fire and ice though. Lot of people think Snow will be revealed as a Targ or maybe a Stark but with special ice defense powers or something. I could see something like a White Walker slashing his ice sword on Snow's neck only to find it shatters, then Snow sinks his Valyrian steel into the WW's chest and kills it
ugh, after reading your last post, I'm starting to get upset with the implications of more magic in the show as well. That speculation sounds like Lost speculation, not The Wire speculation. You know what I mean?
people swear the 2nd/3rd books are a lot better than the 1st, so don't feel to pessimistic about the next few seasons
The main problem IMO is with something like "who in the hell is interested in the Baratheon's going after the throne now". Dany's got dragons now. She'll be worshiped as a god, will get the Doth back, maybe even a much larger army, and will sweep through shit like the Targs did centuries earlier. The only thing that will beat them back is Winter is Coming
I find the prospect of a seceding North, infighting Lannisters/LF/Varys, pincering Baratheons coming to claim their rightful throne, and Dothraki/Mongolian invasion much more interesting than the battle over ice and fire/dragons and walkers.
My guess is that the throne game will be played like it has been. 90% of the stuff that happens will be game of thrones, 10% will be ice and fire song, but the really pivotal stuff will be largely the latter as well
The unfortunate thing is that a story about the Wall and walkers and all that could be very awesome. Human vs monster is a great story, but I don't want it mixed with an even better human vs human story
They also say book four is most contested. Could be because of how the magic starts to take over. One problem with magic is that it needs to be very mysterious in order to be cool, and after explanation it sucks (Lost, the force/midichlorians). It could be that book four and beyond starts delving deeper into the magic and thus loses much of its potency.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I'm not sure of that though because the books were named ice and fire for a reason while the show is game of thrones for a reason. But everybody is saying the show is following the books to a T, so that might not matter
dude you seriously thought that "the force" sucked after they explained the midichlorians? star wars is the shit, haters can suck a dick
Please tell me you're not suggesting those prequel abortions were the shit.
hahah def not, 1 and 2 were ok cause i was still really young when they came out, but episode 3 or w/e was absolutely terrible lol, i fucking hate hayden christiansen or w/e his gay ass name is
I might take back some of the crum stuff I'm saying about GoT. If the story goes along the lines of it still take Dany tremendous time and effort to cross the sea, we could see her building up her Khalisaar from a few slaves and wee dragons over the next season or two. That could be cool. So maybe she has to defeat the Dothraki before crossing the Narrow Sea
In a way, I don't have a problem with the ultimate battle of magic between ice and fire magic/monsters, but it would need to be a series climax and not appear to be a foregone conclusion. I'm not interested in ideas like the Starks don't stand a chance against a White Walker invasion or the Lannisters can't fight off dragons
Those films have been scientifically proven to be the worst "big" movies ever made. Not joking. It's not that they were bad, but that their production and art actually defied the laws of production and art, which made them so much worse than badQuote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Ya, Dany is def not gonna be landing a fleet of transport ships on Westeros soil any time soon. Her story line will stay as isolated from the reset of the story for at least another season imo.
Just re-watched Episode 1, I missed a bunch of stuff first time around
1. Chick staked on tree ends up being a zombie (white walker), didn't register at the time
2. Didn't realize Lady Stark's sister was married to John Aryn (sp?) and that's why she ends up at the badass secluded castle
3. Dany is alluded to as a dragon when she steps into the hot tub and doesn't feel a thing
4. TBH they never showed the youngest Stark boy the entire season, he is shown barely in ep. 1 and then all of a sudden he's in the crypt in the finale
Probably more
he was in ep 9 too iirc
Rickon is in an earlier ep too talking to Bran. He's also mentioned by Robb in an ep
There is something veeerry weird going on with him. It's like he's a wraith who only appears in reality and in minds at certain times. I'm not sure Ned ever mentioned him, Cat doesn't seem to care about him, he's never with the family on anything. Something strange is up. I mean I hope to god this shit doesn't get stupid and like in season 4 we find out something silly like Rickon died 200 years ago
he has a direwolf, so they clearly consider him part of the family now
so what do we make of Tyrion disobeying Tywin? Maybe it's just him being the pimpin imp, but it could be foreshadowing that he turns on his family, or at least orchestrates some crazy shit that goes against what his dad wants.
Also, remember the scene where she sits one of the dragon eggs on a fire, then reaches in and grabs it without getting burned, while her helper does get burned. At that point I was relatively certain she was the one with dragon's blood, rather than her brother, and I sensed that the eggs hatching was a possibility.Quote:
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I guess I go against the grain in that I find Dany's storyline as one of the more interesting. This could attributed to the fact that I wouldn't be very disappointed with seeing a bit more of the fire v. ice magic storyline developing. Or because dragons are fucking awesome.
Like Shae said, he's still young and stupid. I think one thing they're going for with Tyrion is that he has skeletons in his closet he still hangs on to (his father not loving him, being cruel, even perhaps trying to have him killed, and his obsession with whores and being afraid to love etc etc), but his character will learn to defeat those. This may be the first move he makes in no longer being "young and stupid"Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Perhaps it's obvious and doesn't need to be said. The only way to kill the White Walkers is to burn them. Whereas Daenerys is immune to fire. Usually special abilities like these come with special inabilities which offset some of the advantage. Daernys may be particularly vulnerable to WW, for ex.
I'm really looking forward to the Sansa story. What's the over/under on Sansa being the one to kill Jeoffrey. And probably in a way that causes the Starks some serious grief.
Love the show, and I really have enjoyed this thread of speculation w/o spoilers. Thanks, fellas!
To be clear, there are white walkers, and then there are zombies. White walkers create zombies but are something else all together.
ya, I never understood what she was doing in that scene though, what was she trying to accomplish thereQuote:
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Also, while the thread title says spoilers I think we can all agree that only applies to season and Book 1 at this point
like this, it hasn't been covered by the show has it? Let's keep stuff like this to a minimum (unless I'm wrong and missed this reference)Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
I have not read the books, only a little bit of back story stuff on hbogo (very little) and I've been reading/posting in the 2p2 no book spoilers thread.
In the first episode we catch a few quick glimpses of white walkers, and they are quick, agile, and carry swords or have a forearm capable of dismembering a human. They are not the same as the reanimated corpses that we saw in ep 7? 8? Also there has been onscreen talk about how they have been dormant for hundreds (thousands?) of years... as in, they are something of their own.. not just zombies.
I do agree that the title of this thread should be modified though. Maybe change it to "NO BOOK SPOILERS", which should be clear to anyone clicking on the thread that there will be talk about what has happened so far on screen...
I don't think she was trying to accomplish anything, probably just curiousity.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
One thing I'm wondering is if the Starks (and others fighting with Robb Stark) used to worship the dragons, if it's likely that they will ally with Dany at some point once they find that she again possesses dragons?
Possibly Starks/Dany versus Lannisters at some point in an attempt to put the rightful Targaryen heir on the throne? But that seems like a fairly easy win for them?
The Starks fought against the Targaryens... no way either party wants to be friends now. Esp when Dany is gonna be marching into Westeros with a foreign army.
Dany and the hot dragon egg was her testing her abilities
Not so sure we can claim Stark/Targs will be against each other. They will for a while, but the best speculation I've seen is that Snow is Raegar Targ's and Lyanna Stark's son, and that Ned is responsible for saving Dany and Visy.
not sure if I like the outside speculation, interweb nerds who have read the book are probably spoiling shit trying to pass off being smart
I'm pulling that from the Completely Unspoiled Speculation thread on TWoP where I think it is extremely unlikely it comes from book readers. It's the same handful of people, you can pretty much tell they haven't read the books, and it's fiercely modded by a book reader
so they feel Snow wasn't Ned Stark's kid?
I'm going to re-watch all the eps, but there was a weird look between Lady Stark and Snow in the very first episode.
Other than that, I feel you. I feel partially spoiled just by reading that thread because they do get a bit of stuff right. They also get a ton of stuff crazy wrong though. I'll try to keep stuff out of this thread unless it's something I thought up or think I would have thought up. It's a little hard since I have confused some of my thoughts with theirs too
It hearkens back to why Snow is so special. Clearly, he and Dany are the two main characters, and there is sense in the ice/fire contrast between him and Dany. There is SOMETHING about his birth that we do not know yet is important. This makes it quite unlikely that it's the story Ned has been tellingQuote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
At first it could seem the mother is very speical, but when you look between the lines of what Ned and Robert said about Lyanna and Raegar, you find that it's very likely they were either lovers or he was her raper. Ned having a special lover doesn't make much sense given the man is the pinnacle of honor. Maybe he had to hide his sister's child from Robert and everybody else, so he said it was his own
yea didn't he burn his hand badly by barely touching the fire when he killed the zombie?
Also, my own take on it includes now that Ned is dead, there's no chance his mother isn't super special since they focused on his mother yet the only person who's supposed to know is now dead. Something will be revealed, and I think the most likely is that he has to be a Stark due to the dire wolf, but I also think there will be a special revelation like he's also a Targ and is the ice to Dany's fire
They made certain to point that out too. Viserys burned too, and he's of the same blood as DaenerysQuote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
wow, ya, that makes perfect sense. Ned was obviously super opposed to assassinating the Targ children, so it would fit his character perfectly for him to go to any length to protect Snow. Also, the Ned/Robert scene where they are reminiscing, Ned obv gets uncomfortable when the topic of Snow's mother is brought up since his mother is Ned's sister...
Who else knows though? I think it's pretty clear that Cat knows... but how does she end up revealing it to him? I mean, he has to find out, right?
p.s. can we get a new sig wuf? I miss the Tn'A, and the wrestling loop, while funny, tilts me as a loop for some reason.
Ya, but if Ned's sister is his mother, then he has Stark blood too... so there's no problem with him having a wolf and not being Ned's son.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Let's talk about Greyjoy. I think he is one of the best side characters, if not the best. I saw some speculation that he would turn on Robb... but his pledge of allegiance in the King of the North scene seemed very sincere and genuine. If he does turn on Robb/the Starks, then I think it will be way down the line, and I don't think he's got any sort of plan to do so now. There has been a good bit of development on their relationship, and I get the feeling that they both feel like they are brothas from another motha... a sort of Ned/Robert bond.
Greyjoy is representative of why the Starks are loved so much. Ned treated a prisoner of war like a member of his house
btw, might be a while before a get a sig change. One of my primary sources went down, and I can't find a site that lets me freely upload racy gifs
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either that or its one of dany's dragons all growns up
wow, the poll dancer is srsbsns talented... I bet daddy is proud.
Forgot to post my idea of why the crypt is focused on is because when the Walkers come through, they're gonna raise the dead.
And I had another great thought. Targaryens are more dragon than it seems. Remember how Viserys said they got smaller and smaller until they died out, I think this could have something to do with Targ breeding practices. They are dragons blood, but maybe they went too far with inbreeding and for whatever reason that killed the dragons. But now the dragons could be making a comeback because it appears the Targs can no longer inbreed, especially if Snow is half Targ. It doesn't make much sense now, but I do think GRRM means to tell something important with all the inbreeding. I mean two of the four main bloodlines are known to be highly incestuous, that might not be coincidence
random: I really hope the Baratheons and Lanisters don't suddenly get pet super bucks and super lions respectively... I like the dire wolves, and I don't mind the dragons... but I just don't want to see it over done.
lol u just know theyre gonna get michael bay to direct the episode where three stags beat up a lion
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A guess: Jaime will not die for quite some time, and when he does, it will be either at the hand of Snow or afterwards. The early episodes wrote him like a longer term character with particular foreshadowing (mainly about his unmatched sword fighting) that hasn't yet come to pass. I also get the feeling that he and Snow had a confrontation in episode 2 because it will be Snow who avenges his "father" at least partially through defeating Jaime
Ya, I like where you're going with that. Snow has been subtly highlighted as an amazing fighter... I say subtly because his skills are mostly untested in real world conditions.
p.s. your sig is possibly the best one yet.