I blame whoever pulled me up on Chineseman. Ironically I was trying to not be offensive when I used that term. This thread has certainly been fun though. How is it not locked yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by CBAT
I blame whoever pulled me up on Chineseman. Ironically I was trying to not be offensive when I used that term. This thread has certainly been fun though. How is it not locked yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by CBAT
rename thread imo, so we don't have wanderers coming in here and being all wtf.
Oh fuck off. You never said anything controversial?Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Oriental is just bizarre; no one refers to Europeans or North Americans as "Occidental."
As far as I know, the only people who commonly refer to people from the Indian subcontinent as Asian are the English.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
I never really said anything to purposely try and offend people.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm not trying to offend people. I might be being a twat, but it's not my intention to offend people. If that happens, it's a undesireable side-effect, but I'm not going to walk on eggshells so not to offend sensetive types.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Words are just fucking words. I am most certainly not racist, even if you think by my language that I am. Whatever, if you think that someone saying chinky or whatever shows they are racist, it just shows that you don't understand what racism is. That's your fucking problem, not mine.
rac·ism
–noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Now fuck off.
Fuck me! What did I start?!
Ong, you're making me cringe. At least my rant was drug fueled and as far as I am aware not actually racist. The whole chinky thing is just wrong. You should stop using it. If you were using it and unaware it was offensive, fine, but I'm amazed if that's true. And now you know it us offensive, you should stop.
Ooh cool, I have a bad rep.
I'm drug fuelled too, so it's alright. Dan, you're missing the point, just like everyone else.
Context. Racism is intolerance, it comes from the fucking HEART, not the mouth/fingers. It's how you feel.
If chinky, when used to refer to Chinese food, is offensive to someone, then they have sensetivity issues. Not my problem. I'm not trying to offend people, but neither am I looking to hug people who don't like certain words.
Let's move away from the Chinese then. Try and find a word to describe someone from England that will offend me. I'm from Birmingham, that might help find regional slurs. Good luck.
People should start. I like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I think it's pretty clear that one key side effect of banning poker is the decent into heated race relation discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR9477
how do you fuckers know so quick what's up with your rep? is there somewhere I can check out if anybody's given me rep for shit?
Click profile, top of page. Bam.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
Because meh. If people want to discuss the whats and hows of the meaning behind a word being racist, I welcome the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
If anyone is genuinely offended and doesn't want to say so publicly, my inbox is open.
! tyty
"you're nothing but another dirt ongbonga" what the Fuck does that mean? That was the comment left along with a positive rep thing.
Please don't tar me with the same brush as him.
what do blue (grey?) squares mean in the wee rep profile thing? is that an "I disapprove" rep? I would've thought that'd be red, but there are only two options when giving rep right?
I call 'em like I see 'em. You're all dirt OngBongas to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I dunno. I have a few greens and a bunch of greys. Adds up 12 reps.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
I am none the wiserQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Why do people think I'm Asian?
yeah, but, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
This is like the Internet equivalent of saying, "I don't care if a person is white, black, green..." or "Some of my best friends are black."
You're tripping over your own bollocks on a couple of points here:Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
1) Offensiveness is decided by the culture, not you.
2) You've just said that if someone is offended by the word chinky then they have sensitivity issues. Yet, earlier, you said you wouldn't utter it within earshot of a chinese person for fear of, er, offending them. So you do know that it's an offensive word. Just as Stewart Lee states in his political correctness joke YouTube - Stewart Lee - 9 - Political Correctness - 41st Best Stand-Up ever, political correctness is an often clumsy negotiation towards a more formally inclusive language. Chinky is not formally inclusive for obvious reasons, which is why it's not uttered by many people.
Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not accusing you of racism in the least, however I am saying you haven't clearly thought through the use of your language within the context of wider society.
Yip ,Its common in Uk .Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Same with Indian food , on friday / saturday nights its either a Chinky or an Indian ,absolutely no offense intended , nor taken in UK.
Conversation between me and my Daughter on the phone, Thursday ,incomplete and abridged ....
"Hi Dad , Can you get me bottle of Vodka ? .
Im going to a fancy dress tonight , dressed as a Turtle"
"No , sorry , I cant , Im in Manchester for the week end "
"Oh , K "
"Tell you what , why dont you try the little black-man shop , I
don't think there too bothered about checking your age
and the Vodka is only £5.99 a bottle "
"yea , I might try that , Have a nice weekend , bye".
Little black man shop refers to one shop. Nice friendly chap . No racism .
We also refer to the Paki shop. Run by Pakistanis.
Just our lingo
P.S. just to clarify
I'm not some politically correct god, I too am guilty of sometimes using offensive language or laughing at offensive jokes. It's just that when I'm pulled up on it, I realise my error and try to cut that sort of shit out of my life. I don't immediately jump on my high horse, whip my dick out and ride around the countryside with my schlong flopping around while telling the world they're just too sensitive for me.
Bloody hell, a concise argument. Top man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
Your point 1 is not really worth arguing, different societies determine different words to be offensive.
Point 2 is worth debating though. You are indeed correct, I realise the word chinky can be offensive. But like I've said twice now, the context is of crucial importance. I mean, how many times have other people said the word now in debate about the word? You said the word in your last post! It's ok though, because we're discussing racism and a particular word. I realise in this context it's not offensive in the slightest.
And I use the word chinky to describe Chinese food, but never Chinese people. Again, there's a context difference.
Now, while I don't really care if I offend people who are too sensetive, that doesn't mean I get any enjoyment out of offending people. I try to be careful about the language I use in the company of those who might be offended, that's the same as not swearing in front of children, but I realise I let myself down online. But then how many people use the word "retard" online? I do, for sure. How many retarded people might be reading what you say? That's gonna hurt their feelings. Should we avoid using the term "retard"? Fuck that, it's a great word.
And I just said "fuck". There might be some kids reading. Fuck.
To anyone who might have been offended by my comments, all I say is there is no hatred in me whatsoever. That's what racism is, racism is hatred. Some people here who are getting on my back seem to be filled with hatred, BooG wants me banned for fuck's sake. That isn't because I said something offensive, it's because he doesn't like me. Who's the one with the problem? I don't see I have any problems to deal with. There's no hatred in me.
The context is of crucial difference here, but your problem is that as chinky is derived from the offensive slur chink and everyone knows this, everyone who hears you say it will bundle you in a group with the Paki Shop (or, er, little black man shop) types.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You do raise a really valid point about how we still call each other retards and gays. I wouldn't be surprised to see that aspect slowly change in our lifetimes.
alright I think it's safe to say this thread is officially derailed
Edit: stupid joke just seems out of context now, didn't realize there was a second page :(
FYPQuote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
Small peen?Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
FYFYPQuote:
Originally Posted by eugmac
I realized this as I posted, but meh. The forum default settings are the universal benchmarks in this case. Otherwise we can never agree to how many pages any given thread has, and this would be absolute chaos. :O
I disagree. The maximum number of posts is the universal benchmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by eugmac
As this seems to be the new randomness thread ......... u just bought 10 cigarettes for the first time in years. £3.48! That's horrific. How the Fuck do the unemployed afford to smoke?
Roll ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
$9 in Chicago..Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
Glad I stopped smoking a long time ago..
Is that for 10 or 20 cigs?Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Awww I missed out on more racism chat. :(
It's between $5.40 for a pack of Pall Malls (I think 20?) and $7.41 for Marlboro's.
Fucking people come in all the time all scrubbed out and dirty and shit and count out change to buy them. They also buy a fuck ton of lotto/lottery tickets.
who the fuck smokes tailies anyway, rollies taste so much betttter
There's A Chink In My Armor - random images - moonbuggyQuote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
Agreed. But rollies are a commitment to smoking, you need riz and filters. A pack of ten is just dipping your toe as opposed to diving in.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
woops, just seen that too. must get thread back on track...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
so are you Chinese or Japenese?
Question for the UK guys:
Bollocks = ? Balls? Cahones?
Just wondering because that seems like thats the context in which its used.
Got good and bad rep for this thread, w00t!
I am a Canadaman.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrhappy333
Bollocks means balls or bullshit or bravery or good.
"My Bollocks hurt" means "my testicles are a little tender"
"That's Bollocks mate" means "i don't believe that's true sir"
"The boys got Bollocks" means "he's a brave lad"
"That's the dogs Bollocks" means "thats rather good old chum"
They prefer to be called Occidentals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
Bollocks. It's primary meaning is "testicles", but as Dan points out, it has many meanings. It can also be used instead of "ouch" or "oh dear", and it can mean both good and bad, though if it's good, it must have the word "the" before it, sometimes with "dog's", but if it means something bad, it must not have the word "the" before it.
Even better, it gets past the filter on PokerStars, along with piss and wanker. But the town of Scunthorpe doesn't.
derailed thread is derailed...on a side note, and somewhat on topic, it doesn't appear the forums will see a decrease in traffic, if this thread is any indication.
I'm too tired for this shit but Ash and others have largely nailed in it ITT.Quote:
Originally Posted by celtic123
Also, how are people not getting Rilla's comedy? It rules.
Any good slurs for Frenchmen ?
Fixed your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by flomo
And no there isn't.
Seriuusly????? Paki shop? There's just no way I'd ever use that expression and neither would anyone I know below the age of 60.
The word paki makes me feel as uncomfortable as the word nigger, I don't even like hearing either one irl (although Nigga is obv ok in hiphop/gangsta flicks)
Little black man shop? Paki shop? :facepalm:
So wait... is yank a slur?
as a member of the mighty land of the free that would be offended if it were, you get to decide.
lol it is. List of ethnic slurs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oh, this world and all its people. You so crazy.Quote:
Yank
Shortened form of Yankee; English-speaking countries outside the United States use it as a derogatory term for Americans.[199
I love being called a Yankee. We have a team called the NY Yankees. Shortening it doesn't flip somehow the coin of good and bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
As an American who lives in the Northeast, I find it highly amusing that anyone would think they could offend an American by calling them a Yankee or Yank. As noted, the Yankees are the most prestigious/richest team in North American sports; there is a song called "Yankee Doodle" that was originally sung by British troops to mock the ragtag Colonials, but we've adopted it proudly as a patriotic anthem.
The only context in which I could see the term "Yankee" as being even mildly offensive is if a Southern American referred to a "Damn Yankee" in a bar or something; then you would know they have hostile intentions.
itt, white heterosexual males don't understand how someone can be offended by words, so they just assume that people have to either be overly sensitive or just plain stupid to ever be offended.
i am by no means the PC police or anything--i just submitted a story to a workshop in Harlem that uses the n-word which i'm obv gonna catch flack for, i am especially insensitive to the things that xtians consider offensive, i have a love for the c-word, i think censorship of anything (much less EVERYTHING) is dumb, etc--but if someone informs me that saying a certain word or phrase or idea is offensive to a person/peoples, then i'll say, "noted" and proceed to not say that word or phrase or idea when in the company of that person/peoples
the whole grumbling over people being offended by anything thing falls under louis ck's category of "white people problems" (would put youtube link here if i could find it). "i can't believe i have to press "English" on the atm machine! omg what is this country coming to?!"
solid hobby: trolling southerners by simply calling them yanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Thread back on track. Good job guys!
lol not what i was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
they should mention in this song how black people can use the n-word but white people can't 'cause white people bitch and moan about this all the time
Isn't Frenchman bad enough already? What kind of sick bastard are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by flomo
So surviva is basically saying me, Dan, and OngBonga are ignorant white males in his first paragraph and then goes on to say he does the exact same thing in his last paragraph.
Csb.
Surviva doesn't question the fact that people actually get offended by words...he seems to understand the fact actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
Only if you're calling a non-american one.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
When did I ever say I think people are completely stupid for being offended by a word/words? I got bashed for saying the same thing that he said, just more bluntly.
I don't walk up to a black guy and spout off nigger this, nigger that. (inb4 omg you said the N word) Likwise, I don't go up to a person of Asian descent and call them chinks and gooks, etc. That's obviously not socially acceptable anywhere but in a situation between friends and all understand its a joke, etc.
Clearly, neither does surviva, yet people think I'm a racist, ignorant, douchebag while his explanation is acceptable? Hypocrites gonna hypocrite.
When did I ever say you thought people were completely stupid for being offended by word/words? I said you don't seem to understand HOW it is people get offended by words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
Here is where you don't seem to understand how racial slurs can be offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
I don't know if you're racist. Actually, I believe you are in addition to most people (yes, I believe most people are racist even if they don't want/like to admit it). However, you do come off as ignorant in not understanding the fact that a racial slur can be offensive. You use the fact that white people being called a "shotgun wielding, NASCAR fanboy, Busch Light chuggin, fatass redneck" don't get offended...but that's because there's no history to white people being treated unfairly in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
Since Louis CK was already mentioned in this thread, I'll let him explain: YouTube - Louis CK - Being White
I timestamped it to 2:10 (doesn't seem to work though) even though I think you should watch the entire thing. Sums this thread up pretty well.
Yea, I just thought of something while taking a dump. A lot of the guys making a case for the argument that racial slurs are offensive are from bigger cities/more densely populated areas that actually include the races involved.
If you wiki Clare, MI you'll find that something like 98% of the population here is white. I can count on literally one hand the number of people of color that I know in this town. 1 Pakistani dude that owns a gas station, 1 black kid I went to school with for 2 years before he moved, and his 2 brothers.
As for all the white people that live here, I'd say >60% are racist to an extent that I'd feel that would be the object of a gang beating if they ever ended up in the wrong part of town in Chicago, New York, wherever. My stepdad is one of these.
I'm not going to say thats an excuse for my behavior, but I'd be willing to bet that it colors my view of the world. I'll admit I didn't think before I typed my first response which is why I come off as an ass.
I can obviously see why certain words are offensive to certain people, but when I put myself in their shoes, I don't honestly think it would bother me. Clearly this is just one manboy's perspective on a matter that I know next to nothing about (being a white, male) so I'll try to stop passing judgement so much.
I call them envious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
It's probably difficult to understand how a word can be offensive. It's true: how can something as simple as a word offend or hurt the feelings of anyone? How can somebody get so angry by a slur? Allow me to clarify: it isn't the word itself, it's the intention and meaning of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
Here comes a boring story. First, some pretext. I'm a Hispanic male (also Persian, but that has nothing to do with this story). I'm Colombian (not Mexican, though like all Asians are Chinese to some, all Hispanics are Mexican to others).
I was in Atlantic City and had just finished grinding. I was ready to go upstairs to my room but figured I'd stop for a bite before sleeping (I was starving). I walked over to a self-serve school-lunch style spot where they served fries, burgers, etc. I was surveying the options when a group of absolutely drunk white kids in their early 20s began approaching the spot. As they approached where I was, one kid goes: "Move it, Mexican." I had done nothing to call for such disrespect. For no reason other than my skin being a bit darker than his, this kid thinks it's OK to disrespect me and tell me to basically gtfo of his way. I became enraged, shoved the kid, and was honestly ready to fight the kid & get arrested over this (his friends broke it up and apologized: "Oh, he's just drunk"). This is actually as mad as I can remember myself.
Now, it seems silly that I got so angry but I understand where I was coming from. For someone to disrespect another person JUST because their skin is darker, their hair is wavy/curly, or whatever other racial difference is just ridiculous.
The word "Mexican" here can be interchanged with Chinaman, Paki, or whatever other stupid ass word was discussed in this thread. These words are usually filled with hate, prejudice, and discrimination. I'm all for joking around with friends. Tbh, I'd be disappointed if I wasn't welcomed with "Sup Mexican?" next time I enter IRC.
Again, it's not the word itself but the disrespect and meaning behind the word.
:facepalm:
Well you were mad because you're not a Mexican, but clearly a terrorist.
I live in southern california and work in the construction industry which means I spend alot of time with mexicans. I can honestly say that not a single one of them would be insulted if I called them a mexican. Now mexican't is a completely different story.
Prob bad for me to jump into this thread, but I need my daily does of variance.
Im with BooG690, I believe the intention is far more important than the words. The problem I have is that to some people in this thread certain words cannot be uttered without a certain intention. This is where I disagree, I believe that it is possible to say all words in way that aren't meant to hurt. But due to the PC culture some words become off limits. This is sad state of affairs. No word, imo, should have power in and out of itself. Life is contextual, the PC cultures takes that away.
Me being the sheep that I am I work hard to never utter certain words regardless of context because the pain it may cause someone and the potential label on me is not worth it to me to risk.
Ironic, may only foray into racial slurs as a joke on this forum hurt me, because though I was leveled by the person I was directing my slur at, I realized I will never be confident to write it again.
Yankee is to American as Canuck is to Canadian
True or false?
I feel I should be learning new slurs itt, like "sand ginger" or "spiggot"
Yank offends me and I have no idea why. I guess I don't like how it sounds and really could give a fuck about the yankees or baseball for that matter.
In all honesty I don't really care what you call me, supahaole is really a racist slur toward white people, but a name I adopted as a kid and it just stuck.
Jesus wept.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
What so a boring person. How can anyone erupt do much poo
Strange how it was a common term at the end of the last century to describe an english corner shop most likely run by a family of Indian origins rather than Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
And chinese with a small C is a type of takeaway food.
Germans speak german
French speak french
English speak english
and Americans ...
A strange thread on the beauty of language and culture.
BUT
Although America is only a small percentage of the whole world, contrary to popular stateside beliefs, I believe the original question still has some relevance.
What will be the effect on the ancillary sites like forums?
After posting their grievances at their government the americans may lose interest and reduce their forum usage.
Affiliate revenues may fall and some forums may not be able to provide the events and benefits they previously provided for all their members.
The big poker sites will be slightly reduced but as the first post in this thread suggested the biggest effect will probably be on the smaller websites that provided side services.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hawk
I lol so much my eyes watered
His story was an explanation of how ignorant drunks can say things that offend people. I would not expect it to be appreciated by someone who thinks referring to the "Paki shop" is fine. Time to lock this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by celtic123
frogQuote:
Originally Posted by flomo
I honestly don't know how to refer to a black person in norwegian anymore. PC BS.
Avoiding this thread is a +EV decision
"Little black man shop" can almost be dismissed as quaint, ignorant but harmless but "Paki shop" is pretty incredible.
Quote:
Originally Posted by surviva316
YouTube - Artie Lange Nigger Nigga joke
If you're getting bent out of shape for somebody calling you racist, who is the sensitive one again?
If I call you a Perspanic, is that racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Can something be both racist and awesome at once?Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
Yeah. It's called NASCAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
Calling a Mexican a Mexican = meh, calling a Perspanic a "Perspanic" = outstandingQuote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
My iPhone now auto corrects "Perspanic "
Been away for a few days, missed some action here huh?
This quote tells me everything that's wrong with the general moron's attitude towards racism. Don't anyone dare say an offensive word (unless it's a black person in a hip-hop video).Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
No. Sorry. Not having it. If anyone thinks it is ok for black people to say nigger, but not white people, then it is they who are racist.
Here in the UK, there is an organisation called National Black Police Association, which, as its name suggests, is an organisation for black police officers, designed to improve the working conditions of black police. Now, anyone who dares to have a private organisation for white people only is racist.
Fucking hypocrisy.
Most of you fucking idiots don't know what it means to be racist.