How many h/week do you play?
Not understanding when to stack off properly is a ranges issue. Post two similar hands and we can maybe work through what's correct in different spots, etc.
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How many h/week do you play?
Not understanding when to stack off properly is a ranges issue. Post two similar hands and we can maybe work through what's correct in different spots, etc.
Ill:
Lately I average about 900 - 1000 hands/week. I want to get back to 4 tables to up the amount. I wont get more hours to play so I have to open more tables.
I will look tonight for some hands to show you...
This is a sample for Illfavor to look at. I have posted these before...
Hand 1) my reads on him are at the end of the hand.
Hand 2)Quote:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($6.62)
MP2 ($1.13)
Hero (MP3) ($4.98)
CO ($5.68)
Villain (Button) ($4.29)
SB ($6.93)
BB ($1.57)
UTG ($4.25)
UTG+1 ($11.56)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Jd, Ad
4 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.20, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.47) 7h, As, 6c (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, Villain calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.27) Jc (2 players)
Hero bets $0.85, Villain raises to $3.69 (All-In), Hero calls $2.84
River: ($8.65) 2h (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $8.65 | Rake: $0.40
He certainly would've done this with 2 pair or even AK (he possibly would limp/call w/ AK, very passive). He was running about 60/0/X over 50 hands....very passive...
Didnt have any real reads on this villain (not sure if I was new or he was cant remember)
Is the only difference the fact that the villain in hand 2 wasnt prepared to shove his stack? It was a good chunk so I didnt see a huge difference...Quote:
$0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($7.61)
Villain (MP2) ($8.98)
MP3 ($10.77)
CO ($4.13)
Button ($10.63)
SB ($4.95)
BB ($9.12)
UTG ($9.01)
Hero (UTG+1) ($5.81)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Kh, As
1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.20, 3 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.65) Ad, 4s, 10h (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, Villain calls $0.50, 1 fold
Turn: ($1.65) 6s (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Villain raises to $3, Hero calls $2
...usually I fold to those turn raises with only TP.
What do you see as being different? Is it just a difference in the player? (With no reads on villain 2 its tought to tell them apart) Or a difference in how the hand was played out?
I look at both and feel they are similar, I cant see why I would call one and not the other and yet only one worked out well.
H1- Alright. He's loose/passive, so he could conceivably be limping his stonger hands as well. But generally, even the most LP raise QQ+/AK. I think your analysis is fine and we're likely against 2p/sets since no draws completed. There are so many worse two pair hands in his range (namely, all of them), that I think we're fist-pump stacking off here. We only have to be good here like 1/3 of the time, and we have 70% equity vs. 2p/sets. No worries when he has the set.
H2- A major difference in H2 is our relative hand strength. The best possible two pair (H1) vs. a range of 2p and sets is awesome. Top Pair vs. 2pr, sets and bluffs is much less good. We have one pair, and should generally be less willing to stack off on the turn facing a raise (Baluga Theorem). Versus an unknown, I probably fold here.
In both cases, the villain may have some bluffs in his range, but imo, in H1 bluffs are good for us, and in H2 there aren't enough bluffs in his range for us to call profitably. In H1 we just have so much of his range crushed. In H2, it's ambiguous as to what he's doing this with (it's rarely one pair) and while he may be bluffing, his range is usually not a bluff.
Now, people may be looser at 5nl that at 100nl, so that's a metagame problem that you have to identify and adjust to. If you feel the common opponent is bluffing a lot in H2, then stick it in and reevaluate your assumptions based on what results most often.
So think about relative hands strength. It's relative to the gameflow, the board texture, and most importantly, HIS RANGE.
Hope this helps.
Illfavor:
H1) I have looked at that hand a few times and I still think I am accurate as far as my reads on him are. He had 66 for the set and he stacked me but I am happy with my call I think...He would have done it with far worse I am pretty sure.
H2) I think I'm crazy for calling.....we checked the river and he had K high....it was a total bluff.....I won a nice pot.
In hindsight, these are the type of calls that have cost me money lately but here I was good. I'm starting to think that basically it came down to dumb tilty luck that he was bluffing b/c I had no reads that he was capable of it. I think many would come to the same conclusion that you did...I'm behind, so fold.
Thanks for the help/assurance...
On another note....I am back! my BR is back to where it was before the hit I took at the end of June. It took a bit but this month has been very good to me. Only one losing session this month. The sessions were great....nothing huge, no multi BI winning sessions, just good steady progress with a lot of money made on cbets, value bets w/ TPTK type hands and very few all ins actually.
I am happy with my progress, no playing tired, no playing passive.
I have done a fine job the last few sessions with stealing blinds and playing aggressive in limped pots where I raise to steal blinds or take flops with cbets with hands like A7o or KJ in the CO or BTN. Once I am comfortable at the table, I up the aggression a little and try to get blinds with these hands.
For me its important to first note who the loose passives are. If they limp from mp and I am on the BTN with A7o I have no problem raising with the expectation to win the blinds. Should they call and then check the flop, you are almost a shoe-in to win with a cbet...These players play so transparently you can almost see their cards.
I think I will post my August graph in the BC soon, I'm just so pleased with my results...
About time! I had 2 things going well for me yesterday:
1) Got some good hands
2) Had a drooler maniac that decided to come along.
I've sat for a bunch of session lately and had a maniac at the table only to go card dead. The next 2 hands happened in a short time frame early in the session.
He was running 78/25/x with a 25% 3bet...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Villain (Button) ($5.08)
SB ($4.78)
BB ($4.20)
UTG ($2.74)
UTG+1 ($5.43)
MP1 ($7.21)
Hero (MP2) ($5.88)
MP3 ($1.87)
CO ($9.93)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, Villain calls $0.20, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.47) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, Villain calls $0.25
Turn: ($0.97) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, Villain calls $0.80
River: ($2.57) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Villain calls $1
Total pot: $4.57 | Rake: $0.20
Results:
Villain mucked Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (one pair, Aces).
Hero had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: Hero won $4.37
I bet small on flop but I wanted to invite his range in, or if he had anything he would reraise me and I could get more of his $$. Not something I usually do (1/2 sized pot bets) but this player warrented this I believe.
The turn I put in a better sized bet and the river I bet small and not sure why. I think by that point I figured he had very little b/c he was pretty aggro when he did have something so I bet small to invite a call. I probably could've bet 2/3 or even 3/4 pot.
Next hand:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Villain (UTG+1) ($5.34)
MP1 ($4.66)
MP2 ($4.58)
MP3 ($2.89)
CO ($5.36)
Button ($6.96)
Hero (SB) ($7.95)
BB ($6)
UTG ($9.03)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, Villain calls $0.05, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.70) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, Villain raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.55
Turn: ($2.90) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.45, Villain raises to $3.94 (All-In), Hero calls $2.49
River: ($10.78) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $10.78 | Rake: $0.50
Results:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (full house, Jacks over Queens).
Villain had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (full house, Jacks over eights).
Outcome: Hero won $10.28
I didnt reraise the flop b/c I was sure he would just hang himself by the end of the hand. Yeah it was possible he had a J but his range here is huge.....I was going for it regardless.
He left the table right away and the $/pot went south pretty quick.
Hand 3 was at a different table and Villain was 50/2/x...
I only show this hand b/c I 2x barrelled, not something I do often.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Villain (UTG+1) ($12.43)
MP1 ($2.03)
MP2 ($4.46)
CO ($3.09)
Button ($4.06)
SB ($5.74)
Hero (BB) ($13.05)
UTG ($11.51)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
1 fold, Villain calls $0.05, 2 folds, CO calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.25, Villain calls $0.20, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.57) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, Villain calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.37) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, 1 fold
Total pot: $1.37 | Rake: $0.05
Results:
Hero didn't show Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $1.32
I raise w/ A8o, good enough vs some weak limp folders and the villain who plays too many hands post flop.
I cbet the flop b/c his range is huge and he folds to cbets pretty quick. When he calls I thought about it quick and just didn't see this player having anything that this board helps that he calls another bet with.
So I tried again and he folded....
Yeah nothing huge but I dont barrel often....I usually check against loose players like this but I felt I had the correct read on him.
Muuhahahaha!
Things are going well. I need to post some hands to show but lately I've been ok.
The only problem I find is that I may sit for a while and just dwindle chips due to blinds and the odd small pot I play that I fold on the turn etc....So I will be down a bit, and then BAM! I run into a nice hand or two that gives me my session winnings...
I'll take it, but I wish it was more steady all the time.
A while ago I had a great session where I won a buy in with never better than top pair, and I won a pile of pots on cbets with mssed overs. That was nice.
One great moment lately was a session where I won 2 nice pots with A high. It was just one of thse pots where I checked the flop and called him down on flop and turn and checked the river to win. Both instances they just bet away and i was confident on my ranges that I had a good chance to be ahead.
I havent updated my OP goal b/c it seems everytime I do, I run into a bad session...
Some recent hands:
Villain only played 17 hands so no reads of note yet.
I put 3bets at JJ+, AK until I see otherwise from an unknown.
So I basically call for set odds most likely.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 ($5.62)
MP1 ($2.56)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($1.35)
CO ($3.35)
King of Kings (Button) ($4.83)
SB ($1.94)
BB ($11.20)
UTG ($18.13)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, King of Kings raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15
Flop: ($0.77) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, King of Kings calls $0.45
Turn: ($1.67) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.55, King of Kings calls $1.55
River: ($4.77) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.65 (All-In), King of Kings calls $2.48 (All-In)
Total pot: $9.73 | Rake: $0.45
Results:
King of Kings had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (two pair, Kings and eights).
Hero had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (full house, nines over eights).
Outcome: Hero won $9.28
Gotta love spew. He fell in love with his kings and he lost his stack. Its amazing he didnt put me on an A by the turn...He just couldnt lay it down.
Hand 2)
Villain 33/4/1.1 over 45
Had a read that he had small value bets (1/4 – 1/3 pot) w/ hands like TPGK. This bet looked like a steal/semibluff. I had TPMK but am only likely beat by sets and QJ,KJ, AJ which he probably would have bet differently.
His timing tell on turn told me the flush was unlikely, I almost reraised him but figured, most 5nl players don’t go nuts with flushes until river to suck out the bets…plus I might be best so no need to raise.
He gives up on river and I feel I’m not getting worse to call so I check behind.
I am happy with how I played it. Its an improvement a little bit (compared to how I used to play these hands) by getting some value out of these types of hands against the right villain.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($10.10)
BB ($4.95)
UTG ($2.25)
UTG+1 ($0.55)
MP1 ($15.21)
Villain (MP2) ($4.49)
CO ($7.02)
Hero (Button) ($4.93)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Villain calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks
Flop: ($0.30) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Villain bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, 3 folds
Turn: ($0.70) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Villain bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15
River: ($1) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks
Total pot: $1 | Rake: $0.05
Results:
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (two pair, Jacks and fives).
Villain had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $0.95
Long time since I updated...
I started a new job this week and its crazy busy as I try to figure out what I am doing there. Also, I don't have my own office anymore so my screen is in view = no spending 7hrs/day at FTR...
I also started my course again so my nights are busy as well. This leaves little time for poker and FTR.
Last night I played 2 tables which was the first poker in over a week. It went very well. I lost very few hands and got involved in one large pot with the table bluffer. He was talking a lot about how he usually multitables but was only doing one table to f@%k around on. He was constantly reraising and showing bluffs but I noticed that when he had a decent hand he was betting differently and looking for calls.
During the session he was running 69/17/4 and was raising lots of cbets. My only note/read was that if I had a hand, I could let him bet away his stack.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($4.56)
villain (Button) ($7.38)
SB ($8.69)
BB ($9.57)
UTG ($6.17)
UTG+1 ($10)
Hero (MP1) ($8.61)
MP2 ($8.96)
MP3 ($11.58)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 3 folds, villain calls $0.20, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.47) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, villain raises $0.60, Hero calls $0.30
Turn: ($1.67) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95
River: ($3.57) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $5.63 (All-In), Hero calls $5.63
Total pot: $14.83
Results:
villain had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (one pair, fives).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (two pair, Jacks and fives).
Outcome: Hero won $14.13
I barely hesitated...I was quite sure enough that I was ahead to make the call.
Havent been around b/c I started a new job and university at night so not much poker.
The job was sick hectic and my old employer made me an offer I couldnt refuse so I went back.
Its more sane and school is lightening up a smidge so hopefully I can play more. The little I have played has gone well...
Now that I'm back to the old job, I can probably come around more and post. I'll be busier with a new position but should have some freedom to come in and post hands etc...
Played a bad session yesterday. I finished up, but did not play well. Made some horrible river calls etc. Its too bad b/c I had at least one maniac at every table.
At one table, it started breaking down and it was 4 handed....I was playing against 3 players who were at least 45/X/X. So I should have stood to win a lot of money. Instead I lost the most. I dont know what it is about shot handed.....I felt like a fucking fish at a table with 3 of them. Just couldn't get anything going.
I hit some nice hands so that I could finish ahead. I had a set where I was the PRF, and I was able to hit my straight and got the guy to pay me off. I felt good about the hand with the straight. I feel that I was justified in my call with the OESD.
I am moving up slowly, and I cant wait to get out of 5nl. I hope that by Christmas I can get there. If I could play more hands, I would get there quick they way things are going, but I only play about 2k hands/month.
Another problem I am starting to have is when there are a number of maniacs at a table. There was a full table where there were 3 players who almost never folded preflop. I would raise, get 3 callers and I just wasnt hitting and I cant really cbet properly. I found myself loosing a lot of money to these players and I was probably bluffed out a lot where on the river an EP villain would bet and I would be caught inbetween him and one or more others so I don't want to call with players behind. I think I could call if it was HU with say A high but not with players behind.
Oh. well, I guess its nice to have something to work on. If I was hitting flops a little better I could have done alright but it was tough going.
Villain at the time was running about 12/9/3 over 55.
My thought at the end of the hand
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($10.26)
UTG ($6.75)
UTG+1 ($18.23)
Hero (MP1) ($6.78)
MP2 ($2.36)
MP3 ($17.88)
CO ($1.95)
Button ($2.93)
SB ($21.05)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.25, 6 folds, UTG calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.57) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.45, UTG calls $0.45
Turn: ($1.47) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.10, UTG calls $1.10
River: ($3.67) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.60, UTG raises to $4.95 (All-In), Hero ?
His stats had me convinced he limped a PP and called my bet.
I discounted QQ+, I feel he would have reraised. So I put him on a small list of hands on the flop, 99, TT, AKs, AT.
River = spew?
This is 22-99 so often its gross. I think he shows up with a set or boat here almost always. On the river, it might be gross, but I could totally see checking behind, but betting isn't bad.
Yeah, I posted my thoughts really on the above hand b/c I was posting the hand to link it on IRC for M2M to look at and didnt want to take my sweet time.
After his turn call I was a bit annoyed b/c really the only hands that I worry about here is TT and 33 just got there. There arent a lot of hands that beat me but there are VERY FEW hands that he calls down with that I beat.
I think, given his stats and the way he plays the river was a clear check. As played I should fold the river shove but I was too proud b/c I was doing well up to that point.
He had 22, I was hopelessly crushed
I like your observation here. In this spot villain is repping a very narrow range, however, he almost never has a hand he can bluff with here. And even if he was turning lke 99 into a bluff (which you will never have to worry about) he still has many more combo's of nut hands in comparison to bluffs when he ships the river since there really isn't anything he can bluff with given his line. So in this spot we hold a hand that is a bluff catcher since he's never value betting worse, but since he's never actually bluffing, we must fold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinland
I am so close to 10nl I can just about taste it. It will still take a bit b/c I dont play enough hands but I still is within reach.
I have, for the most part, been playing very well. I have made some nice calls with middle range hands and have had nice sessions.
I am hoping to reach the 10nl BR by December or mid Dec at worst. It just depends on how much I play and if I can keep up the nice sessions I'm having.
Like I did with 2nl, I will post some thoughts in the BC on 5nl and what I observed. It was different than 2nl, but small and I was able to make a few adjustments and tame a few bad leaks.
Lets hope this continues for a while and I can get out of the lowest of the low stakes....
10nl seems so much more respectable.
Hi Vinland,
I've been following your op and it's great you're finding your way to 10NL soon. Just wanted to say I like the reasoning behind your moves, puting other players on a range and playing against that. Most people post hands but seem to forget(?) describing what was the rational behind their decision.
I'll also be waiting for your thoughts on 5NL as I hope to be able to reach that level soon (now this is what I call optimism :D).
Running like God lately.....more on that later
But here's a hand I'm posting for IRC review:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($1.90)
Hero (BB) ($5.03)
UTG ($6.05)
MP1 ($6.51)
MP2 ($2.42)
CO ($3.28)
Villain (Button) ($2.90)
Villain runs 83/17/1.5 over 25
Calls lots, plays passive. I raise preflop hoping for HU vs a limper and I get him....Vinland is happy...
Preflop: Hero is BB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Villain calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, Villain calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Villain calls $0.50
Vs call machine, I am happy to bet for value here and charge for a multitude of draws. Given the board, I have his range pretty big here: FD's, straight draws, Qx, 2nd pair, A high
Turn: ($1.75) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero?
Does anyone bet here? A flush just got there and there is a better chance for straight draw possibilities as well as he could have a Q. However, he calls so much and plays just about ATC....can we still bet here? I pokerstoved all fd's, all q's some A high, some 8X hands and I was ahead, but I may be off here.
Is this a case where b/f works?
You know how I said I hope to make it to 10nl by xmas? Forget it...aint gonna happen....
Why? CUZ I'M ALREADY THERE!
Pretty good heater lately (+6 BI in 300 hands). I was playing 4 tables today and was doing really well on 2 of them. I had already doubled up on one table and then this happened to give me my 10nl BR:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($6.18)
SB ($2.24)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.07)
UTG+1 ($6.07)
Poor Bastard (MP1) ($11.91)
Hero (MP2) ($10.83)
MP3 ($6.96)
CO ($8.15)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
2 folds, Poor Bastard bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, 1 fold, CO calls $0.45, 3 folds, Poor Bastard calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.42) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
Poor Bastard checks, Hero bets $1.05, 1 fold, Poor Bastard calls $1.05
Turn: ($3.52) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Poor Bastard checks, Hero bets $2.70, Poor Bastard calls $2.70
River: ($8.92) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Poor Bastard checks, Hero bets $6.63 (All-In), Poor Bastard calls $6.63
Total pot: $22.18 | Rake: $1.05
Results:
Poor Bastard had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (three of a kind, nines).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (three of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $21.13
Thats what I call a heater....
Yesterday I doubled up when I was able to check in the BB multiway with a 78. The flop was checked around and I hit my ISSD and my opp hit his set. They money went in, my hand held and there you go!
Thats all there is to it....Heater!!
I made it hthrough 5nl in 14.5K hands, I'm pretty happy with that, it could have been better but for a 5K even stretch where some leaks reared their ugly head.
As always, I hope to quickly adjust to the new level and hope to improve on my level of play. I know it will be tougher at 10nl but I know I have made vast improvements to my game already from 2nl to 5nl. I just hope I can figure out the little differences quickly and adjust to the new level and make some moneez...
Thanks to all those that have helped: Jason, Dranger, Boog, Illfavor, M2M, spoon, the BC mods for HH help and a slew of others.
I will post some other thoughts later including goals. One goal I have is to start watching some 10nl vids from GS. I've heared great things about it and I'll take the help.
I also hope to add a table once I feel I have adjusted to the level.
I need to play more hands. However, as I said, I will try to outline my goals later...gotta sleep...
Great progress, keep it up.
I posted this in the BC, its my observations and thoughts on 5nl. If any low micro players see this, they can have a look, hopefully there is something to take away from this:
-Typical passive player, instead of running 30/3/1.5 now they run 20/3/1.5 (just slightly weaker/nittier but not much more)
-Lots of regs running >10/2/3 Some as low as 5/2/2 just very nitty.
-Ran into players who would limp AA even from UTG just to be trappy
-Learn to play large pots w/ TPTK or even middle pair against the maniacs. Its tough b/c
“I” would never go into a big pot with worse than TPTK but “they” will.
-Learn to size your value bets….I hear a lot of talk about “pot, pot, shove” and sure against some you can, but when the board isn’t too threatening and the villain is weak, you cant always pot the flop. If the flop is $.70, you may need to bet 2/3 to keep a weak villain in there. You have to manipulate them a little to make some money off an extra bet.
-When you put a player on a range, and at showdown he shows up with the top portion of that range and beats you, it doesn’t mean your range was bad, it just simply means that he showed up with the best part of that range in this particular hand. I had a hand that bugged me for a bit. I had 2 pair and a fish stacked me with a set. I was sure that he would do that with a variety of TP hands, 2 pair hands and sets…..Illfavor reassured me that it was a proper call given his tendencies…he just happened to have the best possible hand given his possible range, but our call vs that range was a good call.
-Don’t be too aggressive….what do I mean? I remember in 2nl I would have say AK on a K high flop and villain would bet into me maybe ½ pot. I would immediately reraise b/c “I haz TPTK…I need moneez”, and then they would fold. You sometimes have to call a few streets when it looks like opponent is well behind. Let them hang themselves once in a while. This is villain and read dependant but you cant blow every opponent out of the pot just because “calling seems weak” and raising is cooler than calling. The idea is to make the most money possible against that particular opponent, given what cards you have, villain has and what the board contains.
-Cbet flop almost every time against loose passive players (the ones that run 20-30 vpip and pfr >5), unless the flop contains 2-3 overs, I cbet them with success.
-Play your pocket pairs and raise them pre. Esp if there are a lot of loose passives, you will win a lot of pots with cbets.
-I had to adjust my 3betting a little. Rather than always 3betting with KK, AA with position against a weak opponent, I sometimes just called their raise. Seems strange but I found them to fold a lot b/c they would only continue with the strongest of hands…so I flatted and let them into the pot with a wider range. Some may disagree, b/c yes I have AA so what am I worried about, well they wont call my 3bet without QQ+ which doesn’t happen often enough to 3bet imo. Let them come in w/ AQ and win a decent size pot.
-Punish limpers….I still didn’t do this enough but I worked on it. The tables are full of loose passives who fold a lot preflop to raises after limping, so raise and profit.
-There is a lot of money to be made in multiple small pots. I didn’t go to showdown often and didn’t get into a lot of all-ins…but I had tonnes and tonnes of small HU pots where I won on the flop with a cbet (after I missed). These types of pots were often against…. you guessed it, loose passives.
-Unless it’s a maniac, 3bets usually mean big hands so don’t let the ego get involved.
-Set mining is hugely profitable vs regs running 5/2/3…they don’t fold they’re big pairs.
-Unless it’s a maniac, big overbet/shoves are usually with strong hands. Many players you run into can’t build a pot worth shit, and they shove to look like they are bluffing, don’t fall for it unless you have a strong read.
-When it comes to playing the really, really terrible players, don’t let your “I’m better than him” ego take control. You cant call every river bet they make just b/c they suck. Shitty players still get monsters too, the cards aren’t prejudiced.
-Take notes…..bet sizing, timing tells, stack off w/ draws, if they go for broke w/ TPTK etc…
-I had very little chat with other players. You don’t want to be at 5nl long enough to get to know them.
-Make sure you review hands you played bad in and see where it went wrong. Don’t waste your fucking time looking at coolers, look at hands where you stacked off w/ TPTK vs a pretty straightforward player who reraises the turn and shoves the river…. Why did you call and where did you go wrong?
-I learned to double barrel a few times vs weak players on boards that were non threatening and contained low cards.
Have played only one session of 10nl. It was ok. Ended just slightly down (-$.40). I wasnt hitting alot of flops and had 2 big hands, one I lost with top 2 pair that completed his straight on the river. I felt committed so there was a stack gone...
Another was KK on a J high flop. The villain shoved turn and I had a note on him from a previous hand that he would play large pots with TPMK so if he had TPTK or even TPGK he may shove. I called and sure enough he had KJ for TPGK....
Thats why notes are so damn important. If he was new or I hadnt taken note of his previous plays, it would have been tougher to call.
School is driving me nuts soI dont have lots of time to play. I bought a 1 month membership at Grinderschool and will watch as much as I can. Hopefully I can pick out some for knowledge regarding cbetting, playing more aggro in position and even bet sizing.
So far so good at 10nl. God there are a lot of short stackers....but they dont even play it well....I've seen so many limp/fold from ep its strange....
Best hand so far was when I called 89s on the BTN against a nit who opened UTG. I decided to call and flopped trip 8's. 3 streets of betting by him followed including him calling my reraise on the river, he turned KK.
I would be up quite a bit more but I made a horrible call down on the river against a nit. It should have been obvious on the turn I was in trouble.....but I was doing so well in the session that I feel untouchable....
Thats my tilt problem....when I'm doing well, I assume my cards are always better even when the betting sequences of villain says "you my bitch".
A few hands w/ thoughts on my session this week-end (which went very well). I love 10nl so far...
Villain was a passive station running 48/4/.8
I just have to figure he's able to call with any A so I just bet away for value:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($9.75)
SB ($9.90)
Hero (BB) ($10.50)
UTG ($10.15)
MP1 ($10.70)
MP2 ($3.30)
CO ($10.75)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.10, 3 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.50, MP1 calls $0.40, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.10) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, MP1 calls $0.90
Turn: ($2.90) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP1 calls $2
On the river, I typically slow down w/ TPGK....simply because if he has a worse A, by the time the river comes, that worse kicker can pair up...however this guy has proven to call down so I bet again for value...
River: ($6.90) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP1 calls $2.50
Total pot: $11.90 | Rake: $0.55
Results:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (two pair, Aces and nines).
MP1 had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
Outcome: MP1 won $11.35
That was an early hand in the session so I had some work cut our for me.
Next up:
Villain 24/7/.5 - my first hand against him and the first time he really mixes it up in a pot.
His 4bet tells me QQ+, nothing else....I probably should fold but folding AK seems so gross (a leak of mine vs weak players)...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Villain (MP2) ($9.10)
CO ($16.70)
Hero (Button) ($9.85)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($11.15)
UTG ($14.05)
UTG+1 ($9.90)
MP1 ($1.80)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Villain bets $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.60, 3 folds, Villain raises to $2.70, Hero calls $1.10
Flop: ($5.65) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Villain bets $4, Hero raises to $7.15 (All-In), Villain calls $2.40 (All-In)
I feel like I have a decent amount of equity so a call is fine, but the call comitts me to the hand so I just shove even though my fold equity is zero.
Turn: ($18.45) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($18.45) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $18.45 | Rake: $0.90
Results:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (flush, Ace high).
Villain had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (flush, King high).
Outcome: Hero won $17.55
Great result, I think I made the right play on the flop but preflop was my mistake. It was obvious that I was well behind, and I should've folded preflop.....AK is not the nuts people...
Then, I found another table to sit at.....there was a villain who was playing 95/52/4.5....yes, thats right.
If you caught any good piece of the flop, you basically had to decide to go all the way regardless of what came down on the last 2 streets. He just wouldn't fold. I wouldn't call him bad, I just dont think he cared. He bluffed every single time he didnt have a hand. He had a nice stack b/c he was a bit of a luckbox on a few occasions...
I played 4 hands against him, one he hit his straight on the river for a mediocre pot, another he folded a large river reraise (I guess he could fold a little) and then I had these two hands with him:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($10)
SB ($9.35)
Villain (BB) ($14.65)
UTG ($19.70)
UTG+1 ($10.95)
MP1 ($9.20)
Hero (MP2) ($8)
CO ($7.40)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.50, 3 folds, Villain calls $0.40, MP1 calls $0.40
Flop: ($1.55) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Villain bets $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.10, Villain calls $2.10
Turn: ($7.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $4.40 (All-In), Villain calls $4.40
River: ($16.55) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $16.55 | Rake: $0.80
Results:
Villain had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (two pair, nines and fours).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (two pair, Queens and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $15.75
I was never folding to any bet of his.........
The next hand I get QQ again and told myself preflop, I'm committed....I cant fold b/c he bluffs too much...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($10.90)
MP1 ($16.25)
Villain (MP2) ($8.05)
CO ($10)
Button ($9.90)
Hero (SB) ($16.10)
BB ($5.55)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
1 fold, MP1 bets $0.50, Villain raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.95, 2 folds
Flop: ($2.60) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $1, Hero calls $1
It was the first time villain 3bet, and then an A fell on the flop, so I was a little concerned. However, the player he 3bet was berating him over the course of a few hands so I was pretty confident he was simply playing back at him. I again decided that my hand was good enough to felt (pretty standard)
Turn: ($4.60) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.80, Villain raises to $6.05 (All-In), Hero calls $2.25
River: ($16.70) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $16.70 | Rake: $0.80
Results:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
Villain had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (two pair, Jacks and fives).
Outcome: Hero won $15.90
As I said, I love 10nl so far...
Something to note as I move along in 10nl. I am working on the profitability of my cbets. Not just when to make a cbet but also how much to bet. I have watched some Grinderschool vids and really took in something regarding the difference b/w cbets and value bets.
Spenda said it in the video along these lines: If you are cbetting, bet the lowest amount that will get you a fold. If you are value betting, bet the most that you can to get the call.
Seems obvious but I was often cbetting as high as my value bets, typically 75-90% of the pot. It seems exploitable to bet less than a value bet but in the micro's (as the video said) no one will exploit that tendency yet.
So lets say I cbet and get a fold 55% of the time, now I can improve my profitability by lowering my cbet, maintaining my 55% and losing less when I get called am I am forced to possibly fold/give up the hand.
I started doing this recently and it makes for a nice change. No snse betting $1 into $1.20 when $.80 will do the same job...
Fuck me......
You know those sessions where it feels you cant make any good decisions and you always run into better hands? That was yesterday.....
Almost every hand I was in was just fucking torture....
My 3bets with decent but not QQ+ hands would get 4bet and I'd have to fold, my cbets were working ok but on some pretty easy flops to cbet they started playing back and then I hit a huge cooler.
I flopped a set on a very drawy board and I didnt want a 4th card out that would complete a straight b/c it would slow the betting down.
The board was 9TQr....
The money went in and he turned KJ for the flopped straight....
I hit 3 sets in the session and not one paid off well.
I had to quit b/c I was so pissed about that hand. I kniow its not a big deal, but I play so few hands, it will take a while to win that back...
Oh, well. Tonight might be a Grinderschool night...
I know the feeling all too well. At least you had the wisdom to know when to call it quits. Don't forget that to take your game to the next level, psychological control is just as important as the fundamentals. When you can have a night like that night again in the future and hardly care, you'll know you're on the right track. Or, maybe you still CARE and are ticked off, but you recover quickly and forget about it so ultimately it doesn't affect you that much. Good luck.
Well def not running the best.....
I've had a lot of sets lately but they dont pay off or I run into bigger hands...
I'm not playing the best but not terrible either, not a lot of spots to get value...
I'll just push through and it'll work itself out...at least I'm not calling down light.
In this hand villain is running 9/9/inf over 32 hands
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($12.60)
villain (UTG) ($9.85)
UTG+1 ($18.50)
MP1 ($10)
Hero (MP2) ($12.55)
MP3 ($12.55)
CO ($12)
Button ($11.20)
SB ($10.05)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
villain bets $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, 4 folds, BB calls $0.40
Villain raises UTG so I figure my med PP has some nice set value here.
Flop: ($1.55) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, villain bets $1, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, villain raises to $9.35 (All-In), Hero calls $6.35
KABOOM!! Set me!!. I am pretty sure he has a decent PP so I decide not to slowplay and the money gets in.....awesome...
Turn: ($20.25) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($20.25) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $20.25 | Rake: $1
Results:
villain had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (full house, Kings over eights).
Hero had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (full house, fives over eights).
Outcome: villain won $19.25
LOL.....thats the worst beat that I have on HEM record....It pissed me off b/c it would have really erased some loses from the previous session....but it was not to be...
I didnt tilt too much from this one. Nothing I could do and I knew he wouldnt fold (neither would I against the ave player I suppose)
Uhhhhh....interesting time certainly. I havent played a whole lot but when I do its fucking torture....
I havent played the best, called turn/river raises when I shouldnt, and without a doubt have really had some bad spots.....
I've never ran into so many flopped straights, flushes etc before.
I've lost a stack w/ a full house, had top 2 pair lose to a flopped straight (well hidden), Top two to a flopped flush and other semi tough spots. I guess on the bright side it should help train me for future decisions....
I also have had very poor opportunities to get value. My good hands (2 pair +) I lose lots with and my hands I raise with like AQ I never really am able to bet for value.
I will just keep plugging away and hope it turns around soon. Yesterday I only made one poor call and the rest I did ok on. I just never got much in the way of bread and butter type hands where I could bet for value...
Anyway.....you all have a good Christmas!
Hey, nice Op, seems like youre doing pretty solid despite the anger lol :P
One thing I would suggest for coolers like the 55 vs KK hand is think about what you would have done in the other players position. If I were the villain i would stack off verse you with kk all day everyday, I rarely made big folds in 10$NL when I was playing it. Since you would have played it the same way just dont let it bug you at all, EV evens out over time and in situations of AA/KK verse set mining it is likely two decent $10NL players are just stacking off every time the set hits because there are too many fish at $10nl to make folding KK every time an op shows a set like line +EV...
I struggle with the same things as you with anger about the beats and I tilt some of the time when they happen, lately Ive been taking breaks after -3 buyins and really trying to not be results oriented, its a never ending battle, gl!
Not much to update.....
I'm still getting tortured and just bleeding away money. I never lose huge amounts in a session, its just a slow death.
Still the same problems. Having few chances to value bet, and running into probable hands that beat me. I say probable b/c I havent seen a lot of showdowns....it just seem likely that I'm beat. I have also made some poor calldowns simply b/c he minraises me and I justify the pot odds on the river, even though its likely I am as good as dead...
I'm having a hard time putting ranges on players (yes, I'm trying) and I still run into a lotta shit.
I know the funk will break....I still am trying to play aggressive and I havent resorted to limping.....I raise my good hands and ditch the shit....
I've even amped up the stealing % from CO and BTN to good effect but I can make anything on my value hands.....even my sets get me next to nothing....
Well there's my rant.....gotta work now.
Hey man, I've been going through a lot of the same stuff this month. I've had 2 winning sessions so far this year, out of ~10-12. It sucks, but we just gotta push through it. Post some hands, see what people think.
Well, I'm one BI in away from dropping down to 5nl. 10 nl has continued to be torture. I just cant make any $$ at it. I had a session with a horrible maniac at the table and I lost a BI worth to him over a series of hands where I raised pre, hit nothing post and he was a bit of a station so I could just bluff him off.
It went like that for quite a while. I lost so much to him it was pissing me off considering how bad he was...
Perhaps another quick run at 5nl willbe good. I ust didnt think I would have to do it but my bottom range of my BR is coming up and I wouldnt be rolled for 10 nl properly.
I am hoping to play tonight but I'll see.
It's still the same problems as before, however sometimes I wonder if I'm folding too often when I am ahead. I've just had so few opportunites for value its really surprising.
I still think I can do this. I always wanted to get to 25nl and I trust I will. Its just been a bad stretch with a little poor play, beats, coolers and low value hands all in one...
Are you still playing 2 to 4 tables? How do you select tables? What are your VPIP/PFR stats? How many notes do you take? How big is your notes file? If you are hardly ever calling down with the worst hand, you're folding too much plus you're not giving yourself a chance to determine the outcome and take notes. I'm not giving you a liscense to spew, but you should be putting your opponent on a range of hands and along the way, your opponent will make bets with good made hands, marginal made hands, draws, missed draws, and air. It's your job to assign that range and then assess your equity compared to that range. Don't get caught up in thinking "I have the best hand or they have the best hand". Determine how good or bad you are for that situation and try to make the best play KNOWING the actual result of that hand may not be the outcome you're looking for. Right or wrong, reflect the hand and make sure you are on the right path. Just because you win doesn't mean it was right. Just because you lose doesn't mean it was wrong. Not to mention, you'll want to be evaluating your own image and how your perceived range fits into that so you can make good value bets and bluffs when needed.
From what I remember about $10NL, it was a bit nitty and not always easy to extract money, but it was still very beatable, widely profitable with PLENTY of fish. So, my gut reaction is that you're not table selecting or you're missing out on some very key concepts. In every hand, if you're sure you have the best hand, ask yourself, "how do I get the MOST $ for THIS situation LONG term based on villain's range and tendencies to act with that range?". If a $2 river bet gets called a 100% of the time but a $7 bet gets called 40% of the time, you should bet $7. If you think you're behind or drawing or could have a dominated hand, you need to take lines that will minimize your losses, too. Folding is often the right option for this, but knowing stack sizes, pot odds, and opponent tendencies are key, too. Do you have any fold equity? How much do you need? Some of these concepts may not even apply to most $10NL games, but you need a solid foundation and the ability to use different tools in your toolbox.
If you haven't already, I would highly recommend reading Miller, Mehta, Flynn's "Professional No Limit" and Sklansky's "Theory of Poker". In fact, if you haven't read them twice, I would highly recommend that, too. Those books were instrumental to me starting out and if you really understand and are correctly applying those concepts, I think you'll be beating $10NL quite handily.
Also, are you using proper bankroll management? You should have made 30 buy-ins @ $5NL or $150 before you moved to $10NL and you should have had 30 buy-ins total in your bankroll @ $10NL or $300 when you moved up and should not drop down until you hit 20 buy-ins or $200. If you hit 20 buy-ins, that means you have LOST 10 buy-ins. I've played 6 levels of stakes from $2NL to $100NL and the largest buy-in downswing I've hit thus far around 5 playing from 1 to 6 tables. So, my point is that you need to give yourself a full chance to play the stake and LEARN the stake and if you lose the full 10 buy-ins, it's HIGHLY likely at that point that you're not getting coolered or having bad luck - you're not playing winning poker. That's yet another virtue of bankroll management - when used properly, it is one of the best indicators of assessing your skill. Losing players can rarely win 30 buy-ins at a stake. And winning players who don't massive multi-table (and anyone trying to move up SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING TOO MANY TABLES) rarely go on 10 buy-in downswings.
Hey, Vinland, I'm going to answer you here because I think this is more appropriate than my quest to see "How High Can You Get?".Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinland
I think it's good you're playing a low number of tables, table selecting, and paying attention and taking notes. However, your stats seems a little on the nitty side to me. If you are doing all those things, I think you should be looking for more spots to get involved. With those stats, I suspect you are largely waiting for premium hands and trying to cash in, which isn't bad by itself, but even fish are going to catch on after a while that whenever you wake up and get involved, you probably have something good. So, my first thought is that you need to look for more opportunities to get involved. Maybe try to limp more in middle to late position with suited connectors and aces - in late position, consider RAISING with those hands from time to time to keep things mixed up. You want to try to portray an image as someone who is playing a reasonable number of hands and not just nut peddling and with 13/11 @ $10NL 2 to 4 tables, that's largely what it looks like you're doing. Don't turn into a lagtard over night, but look to open up and get involved - that's the beauty of playing a low number of tables.
20% showdown seems pretty low to me. I suspect you need to try to take pot control lines to get to SD more often or perhaps checking earlier on boards where you're way ahead or way behind like if you have QQ on a JJ2 board. If you check the flop in position against most reasonable opponents, if you are ahead, you're more apt to get more money. If you're behind, you're more apt to lose less money compared to c-betting. I get the impression that you're either pushing people out of pots or getting pushed out yourself. So, recognize when YOU want the pot to get big and find ways to do that and keep them in the pot. Recognize when you have a hand that you don't really want to get big and use position to help you control the flow that way.
Read Sklanky's book ASAP and read Miller's book AGAIN. Don't move up to any level again unless you have 30 full buy-ins. You either aren't giving yourself a full 10 buy-in shot OR you are giving yourself a full 10 buy-in shot and risking having yourself barely rolled for the last stake. You're also not giving yourself a solid EMOTIONAL shot at the level when you move up under-rolled.
As for table selection, I would advise against wait-lists. Usually when you get on the table, the dynamics of what existed when you wanted to get on have disappeared and it's just another table. Sometimes, just one maniac or fish will completely dictate the table flow and when that player busts, it's no good. Instead, start your own tables. Get used to playing heads-up and 6max with full ring players. It will be an adjustment, but it's a necessary skill to have if you want to have a table selection edge because those are your only two choices: join a good table or start your own and hope it becomes a good table. KEEP A FISH LIST and look for tables with one or more of those fish. That's the only time you can consider wait-lists and if you get there and the fish is gone, don't join the table. You always want to be on the fish's left. That should always be your first priority in seat selection, too.
For the example you gave about the cbets, it's hard to exactly say what the problem there is. I doubt they are ALWAYS folding when you have the best hand TPTK and ALWAYS calling when you miss, BUT if you always play your hands in such as way that you fire 2 barrels when you hit and just 1 when you miss, that's pretty exploitable. If you're not putting your opponents on good ranges, you are probably be betting sometimes when you should be checking and you should also be double barreling sometimes even when you miss. That's why ranges and position is so important because it give you the leverage to make the best play so that you can win maximum value with the best hand and take pots away with air. When is the last time you showed down a bluff because you were called? Just like if you are never showing down with the worst hand, then you are folding too much, so too you are not bluffing enough if you're never caught bluffing. Again, don't just go willy nilly bluffing, but look for spots with certain villains in terms of their range, board texture, AND YOUR IMAGE, to take pots away WITHOUT the best hand or even a good hand.
I just feel like there's a lot of spots you're missing. Consider making a video of yourself playing with audio behind your thought process for each decision and post it.
Well I have played 2 nice sessions where I didn't feel like a total loss at poker. I was able to hit some flops nice, was able to get a few sets vs aggro players and was able to bluff a few nice pots for decent $$.
I felt pretty good, and made a decent amount. I made one boneheaded call on the river when the 3rd spade came and I called his river bet after he c/c 2 streets. It should have been obvious but I guess I just didnt want to fold my set in a multiway pot. That was bad, but I did well otherwise.
I think I need to pull out some hands from HEM and see how I do when I call a river bet. I am almost always behind and I bet I am a big looser there.
I am trying to change some autopilot stuff like always cbetting flops, and I will try to be more judicious with it. My range analysis obviously needs to improve.
LOL!
Sure enough, last night I dug out some hands from HEM. I searched by hands that went to the river where I either just call a river bet or where I bet/call and I am a huge loser in those hands....
Some of those hands sucked b/c villain would flop the nut straight or river his flush or even flop a flush but regardless, I am calling too much.
I have won more hands on the river than I lose but the ones I lose tend to be larger.
So I need to work on the following:
1) Quit calling river bets as a tilt response.
2) Put villains on a better river range given their action.
3) Quit convincing myself I have the equity to call the bet. 3-1 pot odds on a paired board vs a nit who all of a sudden comes alive usually isnt enough.....
Interesting. I've never even thought about using HEM like that. I checked my own and I'm down almost $300 over fewer than 820 hands with the highest limit being 25nl. That's so bad. Thanks for that tip. :D
Just got the FTR newsletter and it seems my list on the "Observations from 5nl" made it onto the newsletter. Thats cool. Hopefully there are some who can take something from the list. I didn't expect to be included on that so thats great. Now I just hope I can do the same for 10nl once I get through.
LOL Vinland, I just caught up on your OP because of you being featured in the newsletter. Sounds like with some more mental toughness you should see a turn around in your 10nl game. And don't forget to keep posting hands I noticed as you got further in your OP you have less hands were you are just looking for info it seems to be more of the cooler hands.
I have found myself in the same rut. Although with purchasing a house recently and getting married in a couple of months poker has taken a back seat so I am hoping when everything settles down again I can get back to studying and playing poker more then every other week. Keep at it you have the foundation you just gotta keep building on it.
Yeah you got that right. I have reduced my HH. Some of them I have played so bad that its not worth a HH analysis b/c it should be straight forward. The other prob I have is I am 5x busy at work and dont have a lot of time here or at home to put the HH in and talk them through.....
I will sure try though.....
I think I had a couple lately...
OK time for a few hands. Havent done it in a while.
First hand. Villain was only around for 11 hands so no major reads.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($4.30)
MP1 ($1.85)
Villain (MP2) ($8.25)
CO ($8.30)
Button ($11.70)
SB ($3.35)
Hero (BB) ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K:spade:, A:diamond:
2 folds, Villain calls $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.40, Villain calls $0.30, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.90) A:spade:, 6:spade:, 3:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, Villain calls $0.80
The timing of his call was very strange. I cant really describe it. Whatever it was, I felt very strong that he wasn't on a FD and I discounted this quite a bit.
Turn: ($2.50) 8:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, Villain calls $1.40
Prob couldve bet $1.80 but I wanted to keep Ax in the hand. I'm still not really worried about FD's and I beat any single spade draw w/ my K
River: ($5.30) J:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, Villain raises to $5.65 (All-In), Hero calls $3.75
I just dint believe he had a flush.
He must have thought I didnt have an A or he was turning his J's into a bluff. I just didnt like this line.
Total pot: $16.60 | Rake: $0.80
Results:
Hero had K:spade:, A:diamond: (one pair, Aces).
Villain had J:spade:, Q:club: (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $15.80
Next hand)
Villain is 18/10/inf over 50. I hadnt seen a showdown from him yet but he seemed straightforward.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($38.35)
Hero (CO) ($10.80)
Button ($10)
SB ($14.70)
BB ($12.35)
Villain (UTG) ($13.50)
UTG+1 ($16.85)
MP1 ($10.30)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 4:heart:, 4:diamond:
Villain bets $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 3 folds
Not prob calling for set odds vs a player most likely playing a small well defined range.
Flop: ($1.65) Q:spade:, Q:diamond:, 4:club: (3 players)
Villain bets $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold
Uhhhh....I hit the jackpot, he cbets/valuebets and I reraise. I essentially rep a Q which is not what I want to do. The only likely hand he has that I am behind is AQ and there are many others that I beat so why did I reraise here? I prob shouldve called and seen what he did on the turn.
Total pot: $3.65 | Rake: $0.15
Results:
Hero didn't show 4:heart:, 4:diamond:.
Outcome: Hero won $3.50
Next:
UTG 24/22/inf over 51 reads: raising fair bit in EP, not positionally aware. Raises lots preflop but doesn’t cbet much 20%<
MP 52/10.2.5 note is that he c/r big hands on later streets.
I think my hand is just enough to call in SB vs player who opens wide range
UTG checked immediately (weak) and MP was a fish so I took his bet as a steal attempt. So I bluffed….I like it…
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($38.20)
Hero (SB) ($9.65)
BB ($10)
Villain1 (UTG) ($15.10)
UTG+1 ($12.35)
MP1 ($13.50)
Villain2 (MP2) ($17.65)
CO ($10.30)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:heart:, K:heart:
Villain1 bets $0.30, 2 folds, Villain2 calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($1) 5:heart:, 8:spade:, 5:diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, Villain1 checks, Villain2 bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.80, 2 folds
Total pot: $2 | Rake: $0.05
Results:
Hero didn't show Q:heart:, K:heart:.
Outcome: Hero won $1.95
Been a long time...
It sucks too b/c we got a new IT provider at work and they have uber secured our internet viewing etc and now FTR is blocked from view so I can only come here in the evenings at home.
Things have been going very well in march except that I haven't put in enough hands. I have had some nice sessions and played pretty well. I would like to post hands soon but It takes a while and I dont have a lots of time. It sucks that my time here will be drastically reduced but there isnt much I can do about that...
I hope to put a few hands up soon and show what I've been up to.
Later
No huge updates.....other than it has gone well with the BR. Some sessions I play well and get mediocre results but I played one session very poorly and had great results.
This is from a recent session. The villain had raised very mediocre hands from mp before (79s) so I am happy to call on the btn with a connector.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($10.95)
UTG ($11.40)
UTG+1 ($14.70)
MP1 ($7.50)
MP2 ($12.35)
Villain (CO) ($13)
Hero (Button) ($17.25)
SB ($12.95)
Preflop: Hero is Button with J:club:, Q:diamond:
4 folds, Villain bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.95) 8:club:, K:spade:, A:spade: (2 players)
Villain bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70
I am fine with calling this. I feel I have some good implied odds. He had played a hand similar to this very aggro with a marginal hand and I feel the str8 would be concealed and should make some money to justify the call..
Turn: ($2.35) 10:diamond: (2 players)
Villain bets $2.10, Hero raises to $5.50, Villain raises to $11.90 (All-In), Hero calls $6.40
I dont want anything to slow the action down so I decide to try top get more money in the pot. He obliges...
River: ($26.15) 2:club: (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $26.15 | Rake: $1.30
Sweet......he had a good hand. Sick turn card for him...He turned over TT for a set.
Next hand to show:
This one put me on severe tilt...
I really got worked up on this one.
Preflop, the shortstacker was bad and the caller was running about 90/14 over 40 hands so i def call with AJ.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($7.75)
MP2 ($2.40)
MP3 ($40.55)
CO ($9.85)
Button ($10)
Hero (SB) ($23.65)
Villain (BB) ($9.35)
UTG ($1.75)
UTG+1 ($8.75)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J:club:, A:spade:
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.40, MP3 calls $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.35, Villain calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.60) 6:spade:, A:heart:, A:diamond: (4 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks, MP2 bets $0.60, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, Villain calls $2, 1 fold
I dont think donking does anything here so I check and hope someone puts money in. I raise b/c if someone has an A, its likely worse and likely they will pay me off.
Turn: ($6.20) 9:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Villain raises to $6.95 (All-In), Hero calls $3.95
I have to believe that he would prob raise AK prew so it could be AQ or A6, A9 that beat me. The rest I beat....
River: ($20.10) 6:diamond: (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $20.10 | Rake: $0.95
Villain turned over A3....but we tied obv...
WTF? The shit river takes away my score....
I was well on my way to a killer multi buy-in sesh.....oh well.
I quit to take a breather....I was pissed. Need to calm down......
I hate to follow up a rant with a rant but its hands like below that make me wish poker would fuck off.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP1) ($10)
Villain (MP2) ($10.45)
MP3 ($11.65)
Villain2 (CO) ($19.10)
Button ($3.75)
SB ($8.95)
BB ($5.05)
UTG ($11.45)
UTG+1 ($11)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.40, Villain calls $0.40, 1 fold, Villain2 calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.65) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, Villain raises $2, Villain2 calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises $5, Villain calls $4, Villain2 calls $4
Turn: ($19.65) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $3.60 (All-In), Villain calls $3.60, Villain2 calls $3.60
River: ($30.45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Villain checks, Villain2 bets $1.10, Villain calls $0.45 (All-In)
Total pot: $31.35
Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (three of a kind, Kings).
Villain had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (three of a kind, Jacks).
Villain2 had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: Villain2 won $30.55
I'm fucking pissed because I know with out a doubt that the 3 largest pots I have ever played in (the above being the largest to date) I have never won. .....And its usually to shit like this or a horrible player flops a straight....and I get a set...
I know, I vbet the flop small but I remember thinking, I only have to worry about QT or AQ thats it. So I even put in a good reraise on the flop for measure after they showed interest......
I really hate to complain but I fucking wish that just once one of these multiway all in hands would go my way...
Sorry, I wish I had something good to say but thats what happened
I know what you mean. I got burned by a QT when villian flopped a str8 and I flopped top 2-pair (AK). And I'm down 3 BI's already this month. Sucks.
I think with 4 players you need to bet that flop larger - say $1.50 just because it makes the money easier to get in instead of leaving money still to go in on the turn and I doubt these guys playing there ranges differently for $0.50 more.
GL with 10NL - I play 6 max on Stars so maybe see you around?
Holy Shit.....
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Villain (MP2) ($11.60)
MP3 ($10)
Villain2 (CO) ($4.95)
Hero (Button) ($9.60)
SB ($10.60)
BB ($14.85)
UTG ($9.60)
UTG+1 ($10.15)
MP1 ($11.40)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 9:spade:, A:spade:
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, Villain calls $0.10, 1 fold, Villain2 calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, BB checks
Flop: ($0.60) 9:diamond:, A:club:, 10:diamond: (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Villain bets $0.30, Villain2 calls $0.30, Hero raises $1, 3 folds, Villain calls $0.70, Villain2 calls $0.70
Turn: ($3.60) Q:club: (3 players)
Villain checks, Villain2 checks, Hero checks
River: ($3.60) A:diamond: (3 players)
Villain bets $2.50, Villain2 calls $2.50, Hero raises $8.50 (All-In), Villain raises $8 (All-In), 1 fold
Total pot: $23.10
Results:
Hero had 9:spade:, A:spade: (full house, Aces over nines).
Villain had 10:heart:, A:heart: (full house, Aces over tens).
Outcome: Villain won $24
I almost raised pre....but I figured w/ position it would be nice to see a cheap flop.
Just getting brutalized right now.....
So fucking bad. I even took a few days off to recoupe and clear my head. I wanted to be fresh before jumping into the next session. And you can see the marvelous results that I got from it.
Quick update:
Still not much time to be here. I can only come to FTR at home.
Poker has gone poorly. I was up at my highest at 10nl and since then I have been on a 8BI slide in about 2300 hands. I keep getting decent hands and I end up busting vs the real fishy players, the guys who have vpip >50....
One of note: I had AA, raised in EP and an 55/18 player called in LP. Flop 474....I bet, he raises. I have seen him do this w/ any overpair so I shove b/c if I call I'm committed. He turns over 84 and I'm crushed...
If I lose a stack to a good player so be it but its so often against the worst player at the table, a guy who should be donating 2BI to me in a session.
I suppose I need to really concentrate and try and understand what their reraises mean.....
I have seen them do it with 99 on a low board b/c they assume they are good but maybe they dont do it enough to justify shoving.
I have a hard time folding AA on a 7 high board when I'm against a complete fish.....yet I seem to lose all my money to them.
Oh, and here's my biggest cooler to date...
villain is 20/9/1.4 over 237
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($10)
Hero (UTG) ($10)
UTG+1 ($13.10)
MP1 ($15.90)
MP2 ($10.15)
MP3 ($12.80)
CO ($11.10)
Villain (Button) ($10.45)
SB ($3.75)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
Hero bets $0.40, 5 folds, Villain calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.25) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, Villain calls $1, 1 fold
Turn: ($3.25) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, Villain calls $1.50
River: ($6.25) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Villain raises $7.55 (All-In), Hero calls $3.10 (All-In)
Total pot: $20.45
Results:
Villain had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (four of a kind, fives).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (full house, Queens over fives).
Outcome: Villain won $19.90
Yikes....
But basically I need to find a way to put better ranges on total fish....yet some of these hands I would wager most in the BC would say I cant fold vs the opponent I am up against given his wide range but I dont know.
I continually get these awesome preflop or flop situations against a guy who is more than willing to burn half a stack w/ mid pair and I end up down huge against them...
I Haven't posted in ages and it sucks. I still dont get much time to visit.
I dont play lots of hands (never have) but so far at 10nl I am BE over 20K.
I have looked through HM and at some stats and I just cant find the reason...I know its probably staring me in the face but I cant see it.
I'm hoping to post some good stats in the BC for some feedback.
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Have you tried posting an hour video of you playing while commentating on every decision, villain's ranges, your perceived range, and just general poker theory in between decisions? If not, try that.
It's probably not something you can pinpoint by looking at general stas, but more likely that you jus suck postflop. I think the video idea is defo good.
This is such a weird time at 10nl. I always hit a high then I get a cooler (never a bad beat but a cooler) and then have some crap sessions after. I had a horrible stretch a while back after I had the top full house lose to quads and then went on a slide. I goty back up, to my highest point, and then last 2 sessions I had my crap time. AA lost to 89 when maniac fish flopped 99X and then I lost set vs set.
I seem to get totally destroyed by maniac fish. I see them bet huge with poor hands on multiple streets but when I play I run into 2 pair+.
Then I get into my poor play mode where I call reraises too much and convince myself that their range is behind mine. Its so weird to see my graph and then look at those sessions where i start to drop off. They are almost identical. Hit new high, cooler, play bad, fix problem, slowly crawl out of ditch, repeat....
On another note, I have played some hands with what I would call a good 10nl reg. He is by far the best reg I've seen and he wont be there for long. For whatever reason, he is going after me and thinks I totally suck. Almost every time i raise pre and he was left to act, even if I was in EP, he would 3bet me. He has a 5% 3bet over about 500 hands and most of them are vs me....he really never picked on others like this....it was weird....
In one of the final hands, I raised AA in EP and he reraised. I decided to call and keep him in the hand. The flop came Q high and he vbet and I reraised. He folded and asked if I had QQ which tells me he had a decent hand if he was asking at all.
His stats are solid, about 12/11. He has never flat called until the button and never in the SB. He is truly good, and I have no need to play pots with him but it is very interesting to see him come after me....I must have done a few bonehead plays and he thinks I suck worse than the others...
I know what you mean about 10NL. I'm in my 3rd month now and still looking to profit. I had AA last month and I had a guy (solid player, I thought) call my 4x 3bet w/Q6o. He hit 2-pair on the flop and got it all-in. I hit runner-runner for a better 2-pair, but shit, why did he call the 3bet and almost stack me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinland
Regarding the better player, you could try a 4-bet bluff (I 4bet slightly more than 2x the 3bet size) to get him off your ass. He may have stats that you fold 100% to 3bets. Otherwise, just tighten up your OOP raising range or get another table.
Last sesh went great but took some days off to look at videos and relax.
A few Hands:
The villains were pretty loose running 40-60 vpip and low PFR. I won some I lost some...
Hand 1
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($4.99)
MP3 ($18.03)
Villain (CO) ($6.42)
Hero (Button) ($10.01)
SB ($10.15)
BB ($7.77)
UTG ($4.32)
UTG+1 ($10.54)
MP1 ($4.58)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
UTG bets $0.40, 4 folds, Villain calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.35) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Villain checks, Hero bets $0.70, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.70
Turn: ($2.75) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $1.30, Villain calls $1.30
River: ($5.35) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Villain bets $1.50, Hero raises to $5, Villain calls $2.52 (All-In)
Total pot: $13.39
Results:
Hero had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (three of a kind, sixes).
Villain had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: $13.39 returned to Villain
meh what the hell can you do...
Hand 2
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($10)
Hero (UTG) ($10.62)
UTG+1 ($10.90)
MP1 ($11.71)
MP2 ($11.62)
CO ($9.95)
Button ($10.29)
Villain (SB) ($5.84)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
Hero bets $0.40, 3 folds, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold, Villain calls $0.35, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.30) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (3 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $1, 1 fold, Villain raises to $2, Hero raises to $4.90, Villain calls $2.90
Turn: ($11.10) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $0.60, Villain calls $0.54 (All-In)
River: ($12.18) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $12.18
Results:
Villain had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (full house, sixes over eights).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (two pair, Aces and eights).
Outcome: $12.18 returned to Villain
Of course a 6 is in his range but he was terrible so I have to imagine that KK, AQ, KQ, QJ were also in his range. His smaller stack helped me to make the call as well.
Hand 3
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($28.45)
UTG+1 ($9.75)
MP1 ($10.21)
MP2 ($5.09)
Hero (MP3) ($11.56)
CO ($3.91)
Button ($9.35)
SB ($3.89)
BB ($8.73)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
2 folds, MP1 bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.80
Flop: ($2.55) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.80, MP1 calls $1.80
Turn: ($6.15) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $3, MP1 raises to $7.21 (All-In), Hero calls $4.21
River: ($20.57) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $20.57 | Rake: $1.01
Results:
MP1 had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (two pair, Jacks and twos).
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (two pair, Kings and twos).
Outcome: Hero won $19.56
I was speachless....am I really vbetting worse than JJ here? I thought for sure he had QQ, KK or TT
Hand 4
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($5.08)
SB ($10.47)
Hero (BB) ($23.37)
UTG ($5.42)
UTG+1 ($10.73)
MP1 ($6.68)
MP2 ($9.95)
CO ($11.25)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40
Flop: ($1.55) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1.30, 1 fold, CO calls $1.30
Turn: ($4.15) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.40, CO raises to $9.45 (All-In), Hero calls $7.05
River: ($23.05) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $23.05 | Rake: $1.14
Results:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (two pair, Aces and sevens).
CO had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (two pair, Queens and sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $21.91
This was the same villain as in hand 2....his shove with top pair mid kick only solidifies my read of his range in hand 2.
I ended up all in 2x against him and felted him....it was nice.
I'm getting fucking tired of this shit...all it seems I do is steal blinds for 10 minutes and then get into a hand and get fucking raped by the worst players at the table....
Hand 1)
Villain running 80/20/8 over 75 he bet seemingly at randon and bluffed lots. I see him doing this with a variety of over pairs that I beat.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($9.31)
Hero (BB) ($10.15)
UTG ($9.85)
UTG+1 ($9.84)
MP1 ($10)
villain (MP2) ($35.70)
CO ($9.30)
Button ($8.95)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, villain calls $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.60, MP1 calls $0.50, villain calls $0.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.90) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1.60, MP1 calls $1.60, villain raises to $9.90, Hero calls $7.95 (All-In), MP1 calls $7.80 (All-In)
Turn: ($30.40) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($30.40) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $30.40 | Rake: $1.51
Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (two pair, Kings and fours).
MP1 had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (flush, King high).
villain had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (full house, fours over threes).
Outcome: villain won $28.89
Hand 2)
Villain was 42/12/2 over 60
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($9.06)
Button ($5.45)
SB ($14.54)
villain (BB) ($7.42)
UTG ($19.01)
MP1 ($10.30)
Hero (MP2) ($11.39)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 3 folds, villain calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.85) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $0.70, villain calls $0.70
Turn: ($2.25) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $1.40, villain raises to $6.32 (All-In), Hero calls $4.92
River: ($14.89) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $14.89 | Rake: $0.73
Results:
villain had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (full house, nines over fours).
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (two pair, Kings and nines).
Outcome: villain won $14.16
I just dont know if I can fold against these kinds of players. Someone running 25/15/x sure but not a 40/15/x.
I get absolutely fucking ass hammered by the worst players, the stations, the bluffers you name it. Does anyone fold these hands? Am I just fucking stupid and I cant see it? Do I fold KK on a 9924 board? 'Do I fold KK on a 234 board? I cant get any fucking value whatsoever. I win over 50% of my showdowns but I'm down 2 buyins in a session thanks to this shit...
Am I really just missing it here? Can I possibly fold these and say that that was right? It sbeen nonstop in 10nl....I get totally fucking tortured by these fucktards.
Oh wait I did flop quads and won a stack. Oh shit it was a $4 stack....right, fucking christ.
I look at my session, hands won, and its all blind stealing, no fuckin value betting to be found. I get a set, they get fuck all and fold the flop after raising in ep. A 10/8/2 raises in ep and he cant even have enough worth to call my bet.
If I'm fucking clueless so be it, but I just dont see anyone in the BC telling me to fold these hands....I cant just get it in with the nuts all the time. It just simply doesnt happen enough to play that tight.
25K hands at 10nl and I'm running a whole 1BB/100 hands.
Since I am not doing so hot at 10nl at PS (marginal winnings) I have decided to make a small dposit at a different site and start at 5nl and get up to 10nl and try it there. The players are far worse than PS and the site has regs that play 35/3/1.... its beautiful.
I am going to be selfish and not give out the site b/c its fairly small and the players there suck. They dont have a lot of tables but it doesnt matter with the caliber that they have. So the last thing I need to do is announce it to other FTR'ers what the site is and plug up the table with sharks.
The 10nl tables have average stats that equal the fishiest tables at PS....something I look forward to. We'll see how it goes.
I'm still here. Lovin the new site I'm at. Already at 10nl and doing well over the shorterm. The players are far worse than the ones at PS. They dont blind steal much, they are willing to stack off with poor hands much faster than PS player imo and the "reg" are faaaar worse than the regs at PS. Having 800 hands on a guy who plays 45/6/1.2 is a beautiful thing.
I know there are plenty here who played at stars ans dig great, but it hasnt been great for me. I was winning but only marginally. I also get some rake back which is nice....
Whats your screen name on stars?
markland999
Havent posted in a while....
Things are alright at 10nl. I need a bit more and I'll be at 25nl. I think I have been improving as far as knowing when to fold etc. I still struggle with knowing if I am betting too hard and blowing guys out of pots too much and not making enough in each hand. I still see showdown very rarely but I bet large to try and max EV, I just wonder if betting less would be more EV.
So I win lots of small ones, the occasional big one and then lose BIG ones in typical coolers like 3betting pre w/ KK, hitting set and then opp hits the lol flush w/ A8o. So my graph is still up and down in ridiculous fashion but I dont know what to do about that for now.
My favorite hand in the last while:
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($12.13)
Button ($13.76)
Flushisgood? (SB) ($12.73)
Hero (BB) ($14.15)
UTG ($9.75)
Bluffomatic (MP1) ($10.19)
MP2 ($9.92)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
1 fold, Bluffomatic calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Flushisgood? calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.40, Bluffomatic calls $0.40, 1 fold, Flushisgood? calls $0.40
Flop: ($1.60) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (3 players)
Flushisgood? checks, Hero bets $1.20, Bluffomatic calls $1.20, Flushisgood? calls $1.20
Turn: ($5.20) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
Flushisgood? checks, Hero bets $2.60, Bluffomatic raises $8.49 (All-In), Flushisgood? calls $8.49, Hero raises $9.85 (All-In), Flushisgood? calls $2.54 (All-In)
River: ($35.75) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)
Total pot: $35.75
Results:
Flushisgood? had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (four of a kind, Aces).
Bluffomatic had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $35.39
Glad you're ready to move up. I haven't played much at all lately. RL getting in the way. I had a lot of trouble adjusting to the software on the new site. It's getting better but I'm still more profitable on Stars and enjoy it more. I'll keep at it a while longer.
Whats the SN name?
I replied to your PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinland
Sweet jesus, 25nl here I go.
Took a while but I made it. I will continue w/ 10nl 6max b/c I suck at it but I'm up to 25nl FR.
Here are the last few that got me there:
1)
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($10.49)
BB ($4.17)
UTG ($13.24)
UTG+1 ($6.55)
Hero (MP1) ($10)
MP2 ($4.38)
MP3 ($10.62)
CO ($11.13)
Button ($8.01)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 3 folds, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.25) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25, 1 fold
Turn: ($3.75) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, Button calls $2.50
River: ($8.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4.38, Button calls $3.86 (All-In)
Total pot: $16.47
Results:
Button had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (straight, Queen high).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (full house, Queens over eights).
Outcome: Hero won $16.17
2)
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (UTG) ($10.05)
villain (UTG+1) ($12.86)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($2.66)
CO ($5.38)
Button ($20.66)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($10)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
Hero bets $0.35, villain calls $0.35, 6 folds
Flop: ($0.85) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.64, villain calls $0.64
Turn: ($2.13) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.13, villain raises $5.29, Hero raises $6.93 (All-In), villain calls $3.77
River: ($20.25) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $20.25
Results:
Hero had 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (full house, twos over Kings).
villain had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $19.24
3)
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (CO) ($10)
Button ($1.35)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($10.55)
UTG ($11.80)
villain (MP) ($18.33)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
UTG calls $0.10, villain bets $0.36, Hero raises $1.50, Button calls $1.35 (All-In), 3 folds, villain calls $1.14
Flop: ($4.60) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
villain bets $2.30, Hero calls $2.30
Turn: ($9.20) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
villain bets $4.60, Hero calls $4.60
River: ($18.40) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
villain bets $9.20, Hero calls $1.60 (All-In)
Total pot: $21.60
Results:
Button had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (high card, Ace).
villain had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (one pair, Jacks).
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $20.52
My next goal, hit the $1000 mark. I hear thats real fun to get to....
GG makin it to 25NL. Keep playin your game or adapt. Whatever wins. I'm not playing much but I'm having fun when I do. Here's a KK hand from tonight that's similar to yours. Crush em!
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($9.89)
CO ($10.36)
Hero (Button) ($14.55)
SB ($14.73)
BB ($2.39)
UTG ($14.62)
MP1 ($4.25)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.35) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 bets $0.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.90
Turn: ($3.15) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60
River: ($6.35) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.35 (All-In), Hero calls $1.35
Total pot: $9.05 | Rake: $0.43
Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (one pair, Kings).
MP1 had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (high card, Ace).
Outcome: $9.05 returned to Hero
25nl has been great thus far. Running great and villains are playing very loose. Its beautiful
My fav so far:
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($24.93)
Hero (MP2) ($26.59)
MP3 ($13.50)
CO ($25)
Button ($27.42)
villain (SB) ($29.03)
BB ($53)
UTG ($9.41)
UTG+1 ($26.04)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.89, 3 folds, villain calls $0.79, BB calls $0.64
Flop: ($2.92) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (3 players)
villain checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.75, villain calls $2.75, 1 fold
Turn: ($8.42) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $5.61, villain calls $5.61
River: ($19.64) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
villain bets $19.78 (All-In), Hero calls $17.34 (All-In)
Total pot: $54.32
Results:
villain had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (one pair, sixes).
Hero had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (four of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $51.61
Well, I havent been here for a while. Ran poorly/didnt play great and went on a slide early on in 25nl so I moved back down to 10 nl to build. It shouldnt take too long b/c I hadnt reached my full stoploss yet but I had lost confidence so I dropped down to try again later.
Pissed me off but I'm over it now.
I think I will be able to play there eventually. I didnt do well, but I really dont think I was worse than others, I just wasnt getting much value and I got cooked against 1/2 stackers....real bad.
The reg's certainly werent outplaying me. Once the roll is back up I will have my full confidence back and give them hell...
It's good that you moved down for BR management. A lot of players wait too long when running/playing bad, I think. I'm fighting the urge to take a shot at 25NL.
Haven't posted in ages. I am still here....
I almost got my roll back to 25nl levels and then black fri hit. My poker site still invited US players so it got infested with nit regs and the site became gross. I pulled my money off.
I decided to go back to Pokerstars and I had $30 on there so i have quickly run it up to a 5nl roll and will make my way back to 10nl soon enough. 5nl is a step back for me and I have enjoyed seeing my progress. I have been able to put players on some pretty good ranges and have made some good calls, and been able to up my agression a little based on my reads of others. The month of July was great (16BB/100).
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($5)
Hero (BB) ($5.82)
UTG ($3.71)
villain (UTG+1) ($12.60)
MP1 ($5.96)
MP2 ($5.05)
CO ($9.61)
Button ($5.70)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
1 fold, villain bets $0.20, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.15
Flop: ($0.42) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, villain calls $0.80
Turn: ($2.62) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.20, villain calls $2.20
River: ($7.02) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.32 (All-In), villain calls $2.32
Total pot: $11.66 | Rake: $0.56
Results:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (full house, Queens over Aces).
villain had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (two pair, Aces and Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $11.10
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($6.54)
MP2 ($3.12)
CO ($5.76)
Button ($5.32)
Hero (SB) ($5.13)
BB ($3)
UTG ($8.33)
villain (UTG+1) ($4.67)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
1 fold, villain calls $0.05, 4 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, villain calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.65) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, villain calls $0.60
Turn: ($1.85) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.35, villain calls $1.35
River: ($4.55) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.45, villain calls $2.42 (All-In)
Total pot: $9.39 | Rake: $0.45
Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (one pair, Aces).
villain had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $8.94
Still been playing well.
This hand is not the normal way I play sets (or FH's) but villain was pretty nit/tag so I thought donking the flop (hoping for a raise) and checking the turn would be a good way to get a bet from him. I figured a good river shove was in order.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($7.88)
UTG+1 ($12.95)
villain (MP1) ($5.37)
MP2 ($2)
MP3 ($5.07)
CO ($12.50)
Button ($2.15)
SB ($13.44)
Hero (BB) ($5)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, villain bets $0.28, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.23, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.63) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, villain calls $0.35
Turn: ($1.33) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $0.89, Hero calls $0.89
River: ($3.11) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.48 (All-In), villain calls $3.48
Total pot: $10.07 | Rake: $0.49
Results:
Hero had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (full house, threes over fours).
villain had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (two pair, Queens and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $9.58
Props on actually wanting to regrind to 25NL, in your shoes I'd probably have just redeposited up to that stake! Not sure I could ever play 5 NL again. That being said I have just regrinded my way up from 2 PLO after having done 2 NL to 50 NL before.
lol....wow 50nl to 2nl would be a huge stretch....
I much prefer to play against loose passives not loose aggressives. For whatever reason I dont feel comfortable against aggression. I should make lots against whales but I don't and I almost try to stay out of the way.
I think its cuz a few times I ended up getting stacked when they actually had a hand.
Here's one yesterday. I could have just shoved the turn but I was actually a bit worried for some stupid reason and was hoping villain would check the river.....wtf, I'm good here like 90% of the time.
I think I need to table select a bit and try to land some tables and leave if there are no whales.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($2.90)
UTG ($4.94)
whale (MP1) ($4.40)
MP2 ($5)
CO ($4)
Button ($6.76)
Hero (SB) ($5.29)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif
1 fold, whale bets $0.15, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.13, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.35) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, whale calls $0.25
Turn: ($0.85) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.68, whale raises to $2.30, Hero calls $1.62
River: ($5.45) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, whale bets $1.70 (All-In), Hero calls $1.70
Total pot: $8.85 | Rake: $0.42
Things continue to go well. 3 more BI's and I will move back to 10nl. The players are very weak/tight, loose passive. Blind stealing has been very profitable as seen by my first ever fairly flat redline.
http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/s...2009/Aug11.jpg
A couple of 2x barrel hands:
1) Villains very passive.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($4.48)
Hero (Button) ($7.21)
villain (SB) ($3.82)
BB ($7.50)
UTG ($6.86)
UTG+1 ($6.19)
MP1 ($8.22)
MP2 ($1.86)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 5:club:, J:diamond:
5 folds, Hero bets $0.12, villain calls $0.10, BB calls $0.07
Flop: ($0.36) 6:club:, 9:diamond:, 5:spade: (3 players)
villain checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.22, villain calls $0.22, 1 fold
Turn: ($0.80) A:club: (2 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $0.57, 1 fold
Total pot: $0.80 | Rake: $0.03
Results:
Hero didn't show 5:club:, J:diamond:.
Outcome: Hero won $0.77
2) Great turn to 2x barrel imo.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($12.43)
MP2 ($5)
CO ($1.68)
villain (Button) ($5.26)
SB ($5.12)
BB ($5)
UTG ($6.68)
Hero (UTG+1) ($8.88)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
UTG calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.25, 3 folds, villain calls $0.25, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.62) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, villain calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.42) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.88, 1 fold
Total pot: $1.42 | Rake: $0.06
Results:
Hero didn't show Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif.
Outcome: Hero won $1.36
Lol - my old blog
Ok - I'm playing again. Online, mobile and only 1-2 tables at a time. At 5nl. No HUD - I have to pay attention, which is tough
Still bad players at the tables, but nitty compared to what it was and lots of 3betting in blind stealing scenarios.
One thing I'm trying to do is be more variable post flop so that I can manipulate my opponents. Instead of value betting every flop I hit, I think about opponents range, and check if I know there is a good chance they will call a turn bet with a weaker range than on the flop. Instead of raising cbets with strong hands, I flat call if I think it will generate more money on further streets.
Have been dying to play some house poker and found a group of guys who are playing every 2 weeks. I'll try it out just to get out and meet people, but the format sucks. Few blinds and stupid structure will result in a shove fest most likely - but I'll try it out
Winning lots of small pots, but losing bigger pots. BR trickling downward. Down 8 BIs over the last week and a half.
Its a steady stream of small winnings on the flop, but loses in pots that are typically 5-25bb. Cant steal enough blinds or take enough flops that make up for that.
My ranges are off obviously, I think I'm having a hard time looking at flops, and seeing how they might help my opponent