Im really impressed with your work ethic M2M.
The Goals you are writting down is good and is just a matter of time before you crush 10NL.How many hands do you get in per month?
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Im really impressed with your work ethic M2M.
The Goals you are writting down is good and is just a matter of time before you crush 10NL.How many hands do you get in per month?
Well I got about 25k of cash games in this month, not sure about heads up SNGs/tournaments, though I played mostly cash. In the summer I'm probably hoping to get 40k-50k/month (6-8 tabling I guess..although I haven't worked out the numbers yet to determine whether or not that pace is doable, I'll post volume goals later in April some time).
I'll post the monthly graph here too, since afterall this is part of my operation: This is mostly 10nl, with a couple hundred hands of 25nl, and a couple hundred at 5nl.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8172/marchmadness.png
Total profit is $311ish, plus $160ish in tournaments/heads up, for about $470 on the month. Bankroll is now $750 and I'll be shifting into 25nl real soon. I'll probably grind 10nl for another week or so and get more hands of 6-max in. I've been playing/running really well at 6-max and I want to go through a couple downswings at it first so I'm not overconfident moving up to 25nl. I think I might have a better feel for 6-max than full ring, mostly because when I play full ring I feel like I'm autopiloting, whereas 6-max the game is a bit more fluid and paying attention is more crucial (imo).
Gratz on a fine month. GL at 25NL.
[x] jealous
Damn M2M...you KILLED it. Congrats buddy. I wish I could do the same...but I'll definitely use you as a model of IT CAN BE DONE. Hopefully I'll be able to replicate your March success in April. Good job!
Thanks guys
Update:
Well it's a new month. I don't really know how much poker I'm going to get in with all the school shit going on and whatnot, however, I'm going to attempt to take care of a few things:
1) Achieve Silverstar - yes, I don't have it but will at 25nl for sure.
2) Move up to 25nl officially no later than April 30th
3) Clear some more viewings on the GS videos
4) Regularly work on my log book - a little something I use to do EV calcs, take notes from videos, articles, discussions etc. I got the idea from spoon so I'll give him credit for the motivation.
5) Get a new poker book - Theory of Poker is on the list, will be ordering this with FPP's at the end of the month.
6) Grind 30+ $5 HU SNG's on top of cash games.
These are more like tasks than goals, but I want to get them done, so I'll list them off here and anything that isn't complete will be deemed as an epic fail.
More than doubled BR in a month? Thats crazy, awesome effort!Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
ty sir, march was madness for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Update:
I just had a sick grind. I started off with 6-max and was running like shit, made a couple bad calls, and just overall sucked. I took a breather to reorganize my thoughts and then got back in front of the computer. Bankroll had dropped to $721 after being over $760.
So I said fuck that shit, I'm grinding it back playing full ring and I'm not letting anything bother me. 3 hours later my bankroll is at $790. Heaterments FTW. Also the first time I played an average of 9 tables for such a long time and I had a nice groove going where I sorta found my 'spot' when it comes to basically autopiloting - since I don't really do it that often. I think I'm gonna get some hardcore volume in this summer, depending on how well I do at 25nl.
I don't mean to brag, but I think this is a sign of my discipline making positive progress. I used to suck at digging myself out of holes since I'd just sulk about it and put in shitty ass volume and be stuck forever. I've sort of changed my outlook now. This is the second time in two weeks I've started a session horribly and managed to turn it around into a nice score by just forgetting what happened. I try to always think in terms of EV's now, and it helps alot.
When I break $800 I will start merging my sessions with some $25nl. Updates to follow.
merge? you mean play two levels at once? Don't do that IMO. Just move up, clean break from 10 NL. sit at less tables at first.
yeah good idea speedcake, I tried that at 5nl-10nl and it actually didn't work out that great. was going to give it another chance, but I think I'll take your suggestion.
I'm 9 tabling $10nl right now, mostly to grind out some more profits and work on a couple things before fully switching to $25nl. When I play $25nl I play 2-4 tables now instead of strictly 2 only. Reason is boredom sets in at only 2 tables of full ring and $25nl isn't much different than $10nl, so I don't see why I need to worry. Stop losses however, are still in full effect.
I've decided not to comment on $25nl progress at all untill I've played at least 10,000 hands. The reason is I want to avoid being results oriented, especailly when first moving up - as this can have the effect of basically stalling progres (which I learned from breaking even over my first 7k hands at 10nl :/)
Run 8ptbb/100 for the first 10K at teh 25enels like I did and you probably won't mind being results oriented :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
You're progress has been pretty awesome, so keep it up!
April hasn't been great so far. On top of that, I'm running bad + busy with a ton of other things right now besides poker which doesn't help when it comes to trying to focus.
I find that when I run bad + not into it, I make alot of dumb plays. I don't really go on tilt, I don't really spew either. I just end up missing alot of value, or bluffing at bad times. In other words, playing bad + running bad = alot of money lost. It isn't lost too quickly, it just sort of drains away slow. Like for example, I'll just do the wrong thing at the wrong time - call when I should fold, fold when I should call, call when I should raise, raise when I should call, fucking around with bet sizing and blah blah blah.
My mind is in a huge mess right now so I'm going to take a bit of a break from playing and do some reading. Theory of poker it is, along with reading a few articles on the basics of things. I'm also going to get a shit load of studying done this week so I don't end up cramming so much before my finals. Basically I'm burrying my face in books for the next week or so, even though I'd like to get working on winning back some money sooner.
Looks like it's time to bring back the stick man avatar, sorry ALF.
Goals:
-Start b/f'ing scare cards more.
-Start folding when you plan on b/f'ing, no mind changing.
-Pay closer attention to the board and don't get too carried away with betting. For example, if it looks like villlain will only call when you're crushed, go for a c/c instead. Give them a chance to bluff.
-Stop c-betting oop multiway no matter how tight you've been, no one pays attention.
-3-bets aren't usually weak, give them respect until proven otherwise.
-MAX 4 tables for the time being.
-Don't rush into $25nl, save it for when the leaks are fixed. No more shots until May.
Oh and actually think about bet sizing more rather than just autopiloting it. I've been doing better at this, altering bet sizes based on reads/board etc. but I feel it still needs work. Less tables will help with this one.
$25NL is much weaker than you give it credit.
I found $25NL to be about the same if not weaker than $10NL.
I know it is I've played it already and the play is absolute garbage. I just have leaks I need to take care of which don't go away when I move up so I figure it's best to fix them now while I'm playing for less.Quote:
Originally Posted by CBAT
Hoooray for the stick man - he is awesome and makes you run good!
I think you should give him weekly themes to portray how the week has been going. If you are doing a lot of studying for example and less grinding replace his laptop with a book etc etc.
When you are a 400NL reg, you can upgrade his seat to a comfy chair and give him a crown.
As for the poker, clear your head and come back refrsehed. I find sometimes that when I'm studying, posting, grinding playing all the time, I actually become temporarily worse at poker. This is because all the new concepts and ideas are overloading my mind and making it into a poker mush. Sounds similar to what's happening to you with the doing everything at the wrong time. Sometimes when our minds are scrambled with so much new information and ideas, we overlook the basic and most correct reasoning to make a play.
I think you'll find more has sunk in when you start grinding heavily again since the stick man in your head will have had time to process all the gunk thats currently fucking you over a little bit.
Agreed that it's easy to find 80/5/0.5 players, 75/40/5 players, and a ton of 40/3/0.5 players around. The only caveat to this is more competent players are at 25NL too. Table selection becomes more important and knowing who you're playing does as well. I moved up too early and lost about 4 BI from failing to use pot control against the wrong opponents (and then stacking off w/ tptk and overpairs from being beyond the commitment threshold when I shouldn't have been). But the fish are still terrible and plentiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by CBAT
I actually believe this is one of the biggest reasons I'm sucking right now. I've got a ton of shit going on with school too such as exams, and I just completed 3 projects at the start of this week so I'm a little burnt out. I still do well short-handed like 4 max, I just seem to be losing focus on full ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
This is possibly because at 6max and less it is easier to get away with spew, due to the fact that villains are also playing a wider range of hands. However, at FR when you spew, you pretty much get hit in the face by a nit that has been waiting for someone to do this when he has a hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
Wow good point dranger, that actually makes alot of sense.
I have my moments :banana: <---sorry i just <3 this emote lol
Peanut butta jelly time!
Update:
I've come to realize that FPS has leaked into my game. To combat this, I'm going to take the following approach:
Play solid ABC poker.
That's all.
Oh and I'm also shooting for Silver Star this month, followed by Gold in May. I'm not going to watch the pace too closely, but I'll be monitoring it.
Update:
Finally had a solid session - been long overdue for this. I finally felt like I didn't make a million dumb mistakes, though I found a spot where I missed an obvious value bet :/
Highlights:
-$10nl full ring
-4 tables
-2 hours
-381 hands
- +$14.10
Played good, ran good, but didn't really get paid off whenever I made a hand since all the tables were fairly weak-tight.
Very nice list. Sometimes less words say more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
Hope not you followed the Yeti theorem and started 4-betting on dry boards with weak hands.
Most shivering, thrilling, mind-challenging, eye-opening and genius scene ever made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqWIE...eature=related
Two things:
1) You're a complete animal. $746 bankroll already? DAMN!
2) Link your banner to your OP! Noticed it wasn't linked up...figure you should link it so my lazy ass won't have to go looking for it.
Oh, and one last thing...I'm quite jealous of your success. All in a good way, I wish you all the best. Hopefully I can have the success story you've had!
1) I like to think I'm human (jokes).Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
2) I've had the worst luck with these op banner things, or maybe I just suck ass at making them (lol) I'll try and get that link going soon, maybe I'll just copy/paste the link and stick it below so I don't f this banner up
"I'm quite jealous of your success"
Hmmm I think I know what you're thinking so I'll answer:
Honestly just read everything you can get your hands on, and listen to posters like stacks, spenda, and the rest (too many to name). There are no short cuts at all, just hard work.
I don't really have a spectacular win rate or anything, in fact, I spew every once and awhile which really takes a toll on the roll, though it's something I'm working on. I also have a gazillion other leaks in my game, but I realize I can only fix so much at one time.
If there's any secret to learning poker it's realizing there is no secret.
I also keep a notebook, fwiw.
I've also been at this operation for about 4 months or something - I'm sure some people have passed where I am within 2. I wouldn't really look at me like a 'success story', I mean, I'm just approaching $25nl. There are plenty of examples of this here on FTR. Dranger7070 is an example of someone who's really speeding along lately.
Anyway thanks for stopping by, I hope I mentioned some things you were wondering about. GL on the grind.
I just luckbox my way through the stakes imo. ;) Much easier to win that way. No but in all seriousness, Micro is dead on the money with virtually everything he has said. I recently bought 4 books on poker about 2 weeks ago and I've already read through 3 of them. I look through most, if not all posts/threads in the BC. Constantly look through the BC digest, even stuff I've read before. Each time you read something, you learn a little bit more each time. I watch videos, I make videos of myself playing, with commentary, and watch those.
One thing I picked up on in one of the books (it doesn't say it outright, I just kinda get that feeling) is that you have to be the meanest, hungriest, greediest, money-grubbing SOB out on the table. When someone sits down on your table you have to be thinking, "those chips are mine," and mean it. The way you actually GET the money is making the most +EV plays at all times. Laying down a hand here, raising here, betting for thin value there, etc. Be aware of EVERYTHING at the table ALL THE TIME. No time to relax.
Cliff Notes:
- Be a greedy son of a bitch on the table.
- +EV plays ALWAYS
- Pay attention
- Micro is probably a much better player then me.
- Hard work pays off in poker, unlike many things in life. (From what I've seen so far)
"Hard work pays off in poker, unlike many things in life. (From what I've seen so far)"
As many people would disagree with the statement, to be honest, I really don't. I've seen people go to school for 5 years for almost $100k and end up working in a library making $9/hour - after getting a Master's degree. I've also seen coaches pick the banker's son for the team, who is possibly the worst athlete in the state. Don't forget all the dumb people who can hardly spell their own name who work their way up in a company...hmmm. And let's not forget that mentally challenged person who makes more money than you because they get special checks from the government. So like I said, disagree as you will, but this isn't really the focus of the thread, just an interesting point that was brought up.
Ok enough with the rant, time for a poker update:
Played 4 MTT's this weekend, cashed in all of them. Baby cashes more less, but still ran good + played good. I find paying attention helps quite a bit, considering I don't really bother alot of the times I fire up a tournament. I went deep in one, finished 14/3500 or something for a decent cash. Made a ballsy, questionable re-steal at the end and busted out. Oh well, I'm happy with the finish, I just can't believe I lasted over 6 hours, there's no way I would have been able to play another 2 more. Tournaments get so difficult to maintain focus once you've been staring at a screen for that long, I dunno how guys like mcat and them do it.
Cash games have been going good, and they're going to be my focus for the next 2 weeks, meaning no more donkaments. I'm not far off from recovering my roll again for $25nl, so hopefully that'll go alright. I've found I just need to really focus on playing solid poker, and forget about the bankroll, swings, heaters, coolers, or anything else that affects the way our mind functions.
As for this week I have an exam on Friday, so I've been doing a ton of studying. I probably won't hit $25nl this week, but that's not a big deal - it can wait. I'm just hoping to get comfortable there by May, at which point I'll be free from school work and be able to do some serious grinding.
So I'll leave it at that for the week, though I'll check back in and maybe do another update. I'll gaurantee one by the end of the week though, at the very latest.
My only comment on the "hard work" issue is that the people at the very top of their profession, the ones recognized by everyone as being the best, always combine an unnatural talent with indescribable determination and preparation. And I mean always.
Very true, and there are plenty of examples from business to sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illfavor
I.e. Tiger Woods, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs - the list goes on.
I hate to post on something other than poker in a poker thread...but this has a lot to do with what you were touching on in the first part of your post. It is quite an interesting article and I urge you to read it:
http://www.slate.com/id/2215830
It's about advanced education not paying off as well this day in age.
Anyway, game on!
I also agree with this 100%. People at the TOP are generally very talented and hard working. However, like micro stated (and myself), that there are so many low to midlevel guys that just don't get enough credit for all the work they put in. Ok, enough with the bitching about hard work paying/not paying off. Back to the pokerz! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Illfavor
To continue on this "hardwork" topic...
The reason a lot of the super successful are indeed super successful is because they had the opportunities to be so successful. Bill Gates just so happenned to go to a highschool where there was a computer (in his day and age it was very rare). He spent all day on it, it also just so happenned that there was a computer club in his school because in that day and age computers were friggen ginormous things that couldn't store anything... But Bill Gate's fascination with this machine gave him the opportunity to use his fascination to get him rich. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and the co-founders of Microsoft and Apple all have birthday's which are less than 4 years apart... coincidence?!?!
Another examples are athletes. Check the DOB of many hockey players, one thing in common: Most of them are born in the first 4 months of the year, why? Because the cutoff age is January first and the older you are the more physical advantage you have (when you're still in primary school). Because of your small physical advantage, you'll be selected by the better teams which gives you more practice, and what was once only a small physical advantage becomes a huge advantage not only physically but also skillfully.
Why is it that the business tycoons wee all in the right place at the right time in the booming years? How come nowadays you don't hear of any new business tycoons? It's because the countries' economy is in such shambles that businesses cannot work to their full potential, whenever the country gets into a booming stage again, we'll see some new business tycoons...
But yea, I could go on and on, my point basically is. That yes, these people were indeed very hardworkers to get to where they were, but they also had to be in the right spot at the right time and they still needed the opportunities to get to where they were.
In poker it won't be any different, the ones who rise to the top are the ones who will have the most opportunity. I mean look at all the current superstars. Durr was still a highschooler and had all the time in the world to hone his poker skills... Raptor became Durr's roommate.
Basically, if you're some kid who's got a lot of free time and decides to spend it on poker, then you've got the potential to make it big. Now if you're father to 3 and have to take care of your family and go to work, well then... in that case, it will be increasingly hard to ever make it big.
To be worldclass in anything... you need to put in the hours, no matter how "naturally talented" you are... 10,000 hours is a good number to try and reach, should take you a few years at least :D
Wow nice post! Welcome to FTR
Update: NEW LIFE GOAL
New goal for me, and it's an interesting one. This time I'm going to take a more 'life' theme instead of just directly a poker theme, though I'm sure this will benefit my poker game indirectly, as +EV things in life seem to translate to +EV in poker.
From now on every time I announce a new goal regarding something that isn't directly form poker, I'll use the same title that I've used for this post.
Okay so first I'll fill you all in. I'm a huge sucker for soda. It must be the combo of sugar/caffiene, and the fact that I think I have a carb' additiction. But whatever it is, it needs to stop. Not cold turkey stop, just stop as in not an everday thing. I drink at least a can of the stuff everyday, and I've decided to take a step to improving my health (and mental focus after doing some research) and cut the drink. No iced tea, coffee, or pop at all for the rest of the week.
The 'challenge' started Monday night at at 7pm after I finished my last can of cola. I'm going till Saturday night before having any, and it'll be a rum and coke since Saturday is my birthday, so I figure the wait and the reward works out nicely. It's going to be a good way to train myself not to drink this garbage unless it's on a special occasion, although after I complete this little 'challenge' I'm thinking of cutting back my intake and saving it for weekends only, or the odd weekday if I'm traveling. The point is, I'm going to set a goal to reduce current consumption to help train myself out of consuming so much in the future.
Anyway, something like this probably wouldn't be a big deal for most of you, but for me it is. I've pretty much sucked ass at setting goals my whole life, but I'm starting to realize it's not too late to get at it.
I'm basically going to be setting goals like this throughout my entire operation so I can improve my lifestyle/health. The operation thingy really helps with these things I think, I know it's helped with poker. It sort of keeps me on track, and if I fail at this little 'challenge' I'm not going to hide from it, I'm going to post my honest results, that way I learn to succeed next time - but I plan on making it.
Okay sorry for the long post, and the probable spelling/grammatical errors, as I'm tired as hell (especially without caffiene :P) so if if the terms of my challenege don't make sense...welll too bad. I hope it was entertaining/motivating/interesting for some of you, though I doubt any of the above were likely. I'll let you all know how 'non garbage-juice' week goes later.
By the way, I hit 100k hands of cash today, which is something I've promised to post.
This 100k hands is strictly cash games, and does not include donkaments, which I'm standing at about +$150ish in. So that + $50 deposit + the cash game stuff works out to my $800 roll. $25nl is just steps away.
This includes all limits I've played, including about 2k hands of fixed limit, and 25k hands of a short-stacking experiment I did, so it's really only 75kish hands of 'real poker', but o well. The end of the graph where there's a huge downslope isn't as bad as it looks, it's just a 3 buy-in swing at $25nl. [x] standard. Once I pass the peak around 90,941 I'll be back at $25nl.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3296/100khands.png
GL with your life changes. I eliminated caffiene from my diet about 2 months ago for health reasons and it was easy b/c I really had no choice, but I think you've got what it takes to get this done. You're obviously trying to get as good as you can, and making great decisions in general will benefit you (and everyone) immensely.
Nice graph, and I'll see you at the 25NL in no time flat. I look forward to bumping heads when I'm back on Stars, and I wish you the best of luck when you do move up!
Nice garf sir. As for the pop, seems like a good enough life goal to me. Simple to accomplish, yet will make you feel better about yourself.
Managed to get through the week without soda/iced tea/coffee etc.
Life goal success. Now I'll be permanently reducing my intake to weekends and special occasions only.
Shiiiiiiippppp!
wtf. am I ever good enough here? villain is 44/2/1.4 limp calling raises is his specialty.
how's my bet sizing?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($16.40)
MP2 ($35.05)
Hero (CO) ($31.15)
Button ($11.50)
SB ($34.55)
BB ($25.55)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($18.05)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, Hero bets $1.25, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1
Flop: ($2.85) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP2 calls $2.50
Turn: ($7.85) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $6, MP2 calls $6
River: ($19.85) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $11, MP2 raises to $22, Hero calls $10.40 (All-In)
Total pot: $62.65 | Rake: $3
Thoughts on a river range? He's terrible, so I'm thinking Qx, JJ, TT. We smoke that range hardcore. And even if it's tighter, you can't really change his range here to make it not a call. He needs to show up with just a Q here like 1 in 6 times for it to be profitable. Think he does?
Um, how do we smoke JJ, TT lol. He would have a FH. Although, I think he could have 89, K9, KQ, AQ, and other Qx hands that it would make it an ok call, if slightly marginal. The pot odds pretty much justify it all day, so I mean, you can't really get away from it.
I said we smoke the range of [Qx,TT,JJ]...which we clearly do.Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
Ah my bad lol, you are saying compared to the WHOLE range lol. I was just isolating the JJ/TT. :/
Thanks for the input guys. After going over this hand again it looks like an easy call. I guess I was just a little frustrated from being rivered alot by the top of everyones range whenever I have the nut straight (this situation happened more than once lol).
I'm running sick hot at $10nl 6-max though, so I basically just use that to level out my bankroll from my $25nl losses, so my roll doesn't dip below the point I want to keep it above. I still feel like I'm playing $25nl better now than I was before, and I'm picking some damn good spots in 6-max + running well.
So I'm currently playing $10nl 6-max and $25nl full ring. Almost hit Silverstar this month, should be done by the end of the week as I'll be getting a few more thousand hands of $25nl in. Will be aiming for gold, possilbly platinum as early as May, since I'll be doing some insane grinding then. I wanna get like 15-20k hands of $10nl 6-max in before I start playing $25nl 6-max. I figure when my roll hits the $1k mark I'll be there.
Had a real swongy night. Fatigue and tilt started to creep in late in the session, so my 3 buy-in rush diminished pretty quickly.
I won't be returning to the tables till my mind is clear.
Nice job showing discipline. This is an under appreciated part of the game and it's good to see you've got it.
WTF does this shit ever end...
5th time I've dropped below $0 now at $25nl over the last 7k hands.
PokerStars Game #27393256850: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/04/23 1:02:07 ET
Table 'Nephele' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: thop5574 ($24.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Márcio GCM ($13.55 in chips)
Seat 3: joshil3 ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: newguy89 ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: maniac49 ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: Chuck474 ($29.75 in chips)
Seat 8: ProfKev85 ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: zarzoin ($6.75 in chips)
joshil3: posts small blind $0.10
malik3k: is sitting out
malik3k has returned
newguy89: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to newguy89 [As Ah]
maniac49: folds
Chuck474: folds
ProfKev85: folds
zarzoin: folds
thop5574: folds
Márcio GCM: folds
Márcio GCM leaves the table
joshil3: raises $0.50 to $0.75
newguy89: raises $2 to $2.75
malik3k leaves the table
sebipokert joins the table at seat #4
joshil3: raises $4.75 to $7.50
nezlee joins the table at seat #2
newguy89: calls $4.75
*** FLOP *** [3h 2h 6d]
joshil3: bets $17.50 and is all-in
newguy89: calls $17.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [3h 2h 6d] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [3h 2h 6d Kd] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
joshil3: shows [Ks Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces)
newguy89: mucks hand
joshil3 collected $47.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50 | Rake $2.45
Board [3h 2h 6d Kd 2d]
Seat 1: thop5574 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Márcio GCM (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: joshil3 (small blind) showed [Ks Kc] and won ($47.55) with a full house, Kings full of Deuces
Seat 5: newguy89 (big blind) mucked [As Ah]
Seat 6: maniac49 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Chuck474 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ProfKev85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: zarzoin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
considering I got 2 outered the first hand of my session I suppose there's just nothing I can do.
GG me.
Wonderland: if you read this sir, this is an actual example of running bad
I seriously feel like killing some sort of small, cute animal right now.
PokerStars Game #27394426704: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/04/23 2:11:40 ET
Table 'Bruwer II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: LawCrane ($26 in chips)
Seat 2: severiana11 ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 3: BQuintaine ($19.05 in chips)
Seat 4: värräs ($6.45 in chips)
Seat 5: newguy89 ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: McManigal357 ($24.20 in chips)
Seat 7: albolineata ($24.15 in chips)
Seat 8: muck__you123 ($25 in chips)
McManigal357: posts small blind $0.10
albolineata: posts big blind $0.25
schroeder57: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to newguy89 [9d 9s]
muck__you123: folds
LawCrane: folds
severiana11: folds
BQuintaine: calls $0.25
värräs: calls $0.25
newguy89: calls $0.25
McManigal357: folds
albolineata: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 6s Ad]
albolineata: checks
BQuintaine: bets $0.50
värräs: calls $0.50
newguy89: raises $1.50 to $2
albolineata: folds
BQuintaine: calls $1.50
värräs: folds
*** TURN *** [9h 6s Ad] [Ks]
BQuintaine: checks
newguy89: bets $4
BQuintaine: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [9h 6s Ad Ks] [Qs]
BQuintaine: checks
newguy89: bets $12.80
BQuintaine: calls $12.80 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
newguy89: shows [9d 9s] (three of a kind, Nines)
BQuintaine: shows [As Js] (a flush, Ace high)
BQuintaine collected $37.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $39.20 | Rake $1.90
Board [9h 6s Ad Ks Qs]
Seat 1: LawCrane folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: severiana11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BQuintaine showed [As Js] and won ($37.30) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: värräs folded on the Flop
Seat 5: newguy89 (button) showed [9d 9s] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: McManigal357 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: albolineata (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: muck__you123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
It's amazing how I actually feel fine.
I think I get more pissed off from playing bad then getting sucked out on.
Does anyone hate the way I played the last hand? Regardless of the result, like pre - post. I had no reads on anyone.
I would have raised to $2 pre, but I think your still getting beat on the hand.
I like your blog btw =)
Hooray! We're both running like ass!!!
:banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
keep it up homey, it'll turn
Hit da Silverstar!
I also played really, really good poker today. Swongy as fuck but manged to grind back a ton after a dissapointing start to the sessoin.
I only made one call down that I was terribly unpleased with, for -$11 :/
No biggie though, I was super-focused today and made some solid plays.
Congrats on hitting Silverstar and sorry to hear about the variance. It's amazing how these beats come in bunches, isn't it?
One questions about your 99 hand though. Why is it that we don't raise preflop here (especially with the button)? I think I may have raised to 5x-6x here.
Hey, me too! Let's hab partay with beer and chicks to sell-a-brate!Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
The way we're running, the beer will turn out to be ram's piss, and the wimminz will be tranny's.
Best night of partying I ever had ended up this way....Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
It was the best nitght ever up until that point.
once it hit that point... however.
Also +1 for running like crap.
I really don't want to hijack my operation into a bad beat thread.
All I'm going to say is you don't even know....
Good news is I'm not tilting anymore and I'm playing good. Now where is that massive heater.......
Well I'm gonna stop playing 25nl for a bit, even though I'm well rolled.
It's just so, so sick...
going to be studying like crazy for awhile, likely only will play a few donkaments, some 10nl, and HU sngs for a change.
NYC May 1st, going to be a nice vacation.
I'm sure you'll come back with a vengeance brotha! NYC on the 1st, huh? Well, WELCOME! If by any chance you feel like checking the poker tables at Atlantic City while up here...let me know!
im only 20 and i look about 17, so I don't think I'll be able to get into any casino's lol - it's 21 there right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
It's 21...but the Tropicana doesn't care and lets just about anyone in!
Hey buddy keep your chin up. BTW thanks for playing HU with me tonight. It was fun just for the shits.
this break really feels good
ill be mostly studying/playing a bit of 10nl this week, but that's it - study 60% play 40%ish.
25nl after I get back from nYC. will be fresh and ready to own everyone.
for now I'm just going to focus on learning a ton. building a bankroll isnt that big of a concern right now, im almost at $1000 anyway which is plenty to maneuver around the microstakes and play some donkaments. im going to have all summer to grind away so im not really in a big panick to get past 25nl.
probably wont do much updating this week, just gonna take it easy. im in absoultely no rush to build a roll anymore, so i think ill just enjoy myself and discover more and more about this interesting game away from the tables.
FUCK THAT!!! MUST BUILD ROLL!!! PLAY MOAR POKERZ!!!!
lol jk dude. thats probs a good idea, but i wont be doing that lol. i got boot in less than a month so im trying to get it up so i can come back and comfortably start out playing 25nl (after warming up for a few thousand hands at 10nl to shake off the rust ldo). But yea, I need to look into studying more myself :(.
Have fun in NYC dude!
Great move by you. Clear your mind a little bit and focus on mackin' hoes in NYC :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
Dranger: thanks man, when do you get back again? I think I've asked this like 10 times already so if you just post it in my operation I can go back and look lol. keep the grind on till you leave or else it'll feel like you're away from poker longer haha.
Boog: oh yeeeah, new york is going to be sick. where around there do you live? (you mentioned you live around there amiright)
Well, I get out of Recruit Training (boot camp ldo) in late August (like ~21st) but I turn around go to my MOS (job in the Marines) training 10 days after that, and thats 7 weeks long, so I'll be gone until just before Halloween. (Not sure if you have Halloween in Canada lol. Its on the 31st of October :))
hahaha of course we have halloween in canada
ill probably still be stuck between 10nl and 25nl by then
god help me, i need to get my game back on track
been thinking about withdrawing down to $300 and regrinding up from $10nl again.........................................
Wat up micro. Like you I’ve had a hella swingy month (although I can’t really put mine off to variance) and I highly recommend pwning 10nl for a couple thousand hands. Just switch between the two depending on your mood. It does wonders for your confidence and still helps the BR (lol +10BI sessions). Remember there is always next month.
Also trip report on NYC I’ve only ever had the chance to check out the west coast and am looking to do some travel in the not too distant future.
Haha, I love that quote. I'm not even sure why...but it's hysterical. Do you guys celebrate Christmas up there too?Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
ANYWHO, I'm in Long Island. That's about 20 minutes to Manhattan. Atlantic City is about 2 hours away via bus and an even shorter distance via train. *wink wink* I say we get some other people from FTR together, hit up the Trop (in which you can get in being that's where I played since I was 18), and take the place over.
Hey man thanks for stopping by my operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pig_Vomit
Good advice on always being next month, and it's just around the corner. That's the way I'm looking at it right now. After I get back from NYC I'm going to change gears and work on curing my spew.
I'll definately update everyone on my trip. I'll make sure to post pictures etc. and probably take up an entire page or so on it. Hopefully that will be entertaining and informative to anyone interested in going to NYC.
I know I'm experiencing a bit of variance, however, I really hate blaming it just on variance. I know I have leaks in my game and I know I'm probably not playing that great, so I'm gonna have to work on that to turn things around.
Oh sick. We should definately organize something FTR related for those near the East Coast in NYC sometime. Like next spring perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
Dude, that would be facking ballin! I don't have anything long training wise for next summer either so we could something then if the spring don't work out.
I'll be in Canada by then son I'm in
what the fack
why cant i just play good
what the fuck is wrong with me
running bad doesn't help, but every session is just spewing, really really bad spewing.
im so close to withdrawing and starting back a 0.
k w/e im done with poker entirely until I get back from new york. until then all ill do is review hh's and study shit i guess
I hate to hear you're struggling Micro...but it does happen. Don't withdraw everything...leave the roll as is. Study, look over some hands, and take a break from poker. Hit up the self-exclusion and don't allow yourself to play for a week. You seem to know your shit inside and out...but maybe you've done too much too quick? I know it may sound dumb...but you RAN through the microstakes. Take a break...it won't hurt and will only help. Come back to with a strong craving for poker and with an empty mind. You'll definitely come back stronger. Good luck bro.
yeah good points BooG.
im going through my hands of the last couple days where I'm -4 buy ins at $10nl and I can't really see much other than what looks to be poor bet sizing and just consistently running into the f'ing nuts (Though 1 buy-in was for sure certainly a major tilt spew)
I'll have to work on the bet sizing and planning for future streets thing more.
i think i might just 2 table for a bit and focus on pure quality + strong reads and fix the bet sizing problems. if that fails, ill avoid poker for awhile.
Update: Sub-Operation: Rebuild And Renew
Okay so I've given it a bit of though, and I've figured out a strategic plan to get myself back on track. First and formost, confidence is important in poker, and I just don't have the confidence to play 25nl anymore - I don't even have it to play 10nl. So I'm going to be grinding 5nl to regain confidence, while at the same time grinding the roll back up and working on some things.
My current bankroll is about $725. I will grind 5nl till I have reached 10 buy-ins ($50). At this point I will grind 10nl till I have made $100.
At this point I will be back at $875 and will hopefully have patched up some leaks, stopped spewing/tilting, and be ready to move back to $25nl.
My main concern right now is protecting my roll and putting an end to any spew. While this could be done at 10nl, I feel it's best to drop even lower, since I blew a number of buy-ins at 10nl as well as 25nl.
Operation Rebuild will take place only at full ring tables.
So until $875 this operation is taking a detour from the original plan. I'll keep you all posted. There will be no shortcuts or shot taking. $875, that's it. No ifs, ands, or buts.
I will post statistics and graphs for each phase of Operation Rebuild.(5nl and 10nl). The way I look at it is this is only a bump in the road I'm driving on. Sure it might take me till the end of May to be back on track, but I'm not conerned with time right now - just as long as it gets done.
Obviously I'm overrolled for the stakes that I'm playing, but that's beyond the point. Bankroll mangement is taken care of, now I just need to get back to playing quality poker.
-m2m
GL w/teh new Op goals. You have great discipline and I don't think it will be a problem for you to regain that confidence. The deck will lay off your nuts soon enough!
Solid dude. Fucking solid. :clap: I think a lot of people should take a look at this this last post, and see that playing poker isn't ALL about the money (it just gives us more incentive ;)). The goal in poker is to play as close to mistake-free, perfect poker you can; moving up and making money is just a by-product. Having the confidence to play at your current limits is also key. You can't play scared.
Good luck on the regrind man, and even if you don't get there til the end of May, like you said, theres no rush. (Besides, gives me a lil slack to catch up after boot, even though ull be pwning 50-100nl by then :D)).
Later buddy! Keep ur chin up, it only hurts for a lil while. Also, post ur monthly graph if ur not gonna be playing anymore this month? At least before you go to the big apple.
OMG, not 5NL. That's where I play! Well, at least your playing FR and I'm at 6-Max. I guess I'm safe, lol. There's probably enough fish for both of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
Are you playing differently at 25NL than you did as you crushed 5NL & 10NL? I know your game must have evolved along the way or are your stats similar?
GL with the rebuild.
I don't understand the drop to 5NL.
You have 72 BI for 10NL. Over Double Rolled
'splain please
Good luck on the rebuild, rooting for you micro!
At first I think I played 25nl differently. I played too aggressively and I constantly 3-bet steals and 4-bet anyone 3-betting my steals without giving proper credit. This led me to losing 1-2 stacks with QQ/JJ preflop that I otherwise shouldn't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayToWin
After the first 2k hands or so I realized I was being spewy, so I backed down to 10nl for a few k hands to work on some things. I felt great after toning it down a bit so I went back to 25nl and I was playing SOLID poker. Like, really solid. I reviewed my sessions and I was making some decent moves without getting too tricky, betting for fat value, making some thin bets in position vs the fish - all the stuff I wasn't doing right when I first moved up.
Then I run into a series of 2 outers and huge coolers. I lost 4 buy-ins with AA, one being a 91% favourite, the rest 80% (all in preflop).
Everytime I had QQ I'd town myself against 2 pair - I even had set/set for 100bb on the flop on top of all that. So I lost maybe 5 buy-ins to coolers, but THEN I tilted off 2-3.
Winning small pots here and there helped keep me around even, until my final session where I refused to leave a table where I KNEW there were 2 colluders (won't get into the details), just because they were huge fish I wanted to stack them, but all I did was chase my losses and ended up feeding them 2 stacks.
So yeah you could say -variance had something to do with it, but the way I handled it was horrible. I take full responsibility for not being above $0 at 25nl because I've gone back and added up numerous calls I shouldn't have made and numerous value bets I failed to make - in other words, I made too many mistakes to possibly dig myself out of the hole I was in.
My stats have actually gotten 'better' if anything. I ran about 13/10/2.8 with a 3.1% 3-bet at 25nl, was c-betting less (too high right now) and stealing was OK (27%) though I'd like it to be 30%. (it's alot higher at 6max :/)
I just ended up spewing in a few spots postflop that I shouldn't have, which ultimately caused me to move down to 10nl.
This is was put me on mega-tilt. Here I am at 10nl thinking I have to win back $100+ that I lost. So I start playing too loose/too aggro, trying to steal too many pots postflop..and well there goes 6 buy ins.
"I don't understand the drop to 5NL.
You have 72 BI for 10NL. Over Double Rolled"
I hope you understand a bit more now. Because my skill of maintaining composure has deteriorated, I'm unable to play where my bankroll says I can. I basically will just continue to lose until I fix my spewing problems and I feel the only way to do this is to move down to a level where the money is completely meaningless so that I just focus on playing good poker. This will allow me to regain the confidence I had before and prepare me to play my best. I'll also build my roll back up the way I should - slowly. There is no quick fix in this game, I'm going to do the best I can not to rush things.
Hope that all makes sense. Thanks for the support guys.
Operation rebuild is going well so far.
Aside from running really well at 5nl, I feel a sense of renewed focus and my thought process throughout each hand seems to be running better than before (i.e. less autopiloting). I find studying ranges really helps sometimes.
I'm making more time to review hands after my sessions, and I'm also playing only a maximum 4 tables (for now) to focus on the game harder.
I'm attempting to play as perfect as I can, and it seems to be a good mindset for me so far. I'll continue on striving for perfection and hopefully this will reduce my level of spew to a lessor extent of what it was before. I understand as a human, and also a noob, I'm going to make mistakes. But my main goal at the moment is to minimize the amount of mistakes I make, rather than make as much money as I can. The latter is more of a long term side effect I suppose.
lol wow I run so sick hot at 5nl.
Being focused and playing well helps minimize any mistakes though.
Getting paid off is also easy since the players are so bad. I'm running 50bb/100 on my first 1k hands - basically just making hands and getting paid + sucking out here and there w/ equity - I'm actually winning flips!(I'll use bb instead of ptbb since you guys seem to like bb better, though I usually prefer ptbb/100 for some weird reason)
Now if only I couldnt run this hot at 25nl :P
Don't give in Micro. Ptbb is the way to go. And good job...you'll be up in 10NL in just a few hours (5NL is so friggin easy). Hopefully I'll be up there with you by the time you get there.
M2M I gotta tell ya buddy you really seem to have your shit together. I commend you for stepping back and being honest with yourself. You took responsibility for the problem at hand. Devised a solution to that problem and now you are working the solution. Good job. We all should posses the ability to be so brutally honest with ourselfs!
Keep up the good work my friend!:clap:
BooG: thanks man, and welcome to the ptbb/100 club :P
Harley: well it took me awhile to get my shit together, but I finally came to. stepping down limits isn't easy, especially for me. I think I made probably the strongest move of my poker career so far my doing it. It's already given me a new perspective on things, especially playing poker to play good poker, and not just to earn money. Thanks alot of the support.
Now for a quick update...
I'll be grinding out a few more hands tonight and then I'm off to New York City! Should be a fun trip, I'll post some pictures if I get around to it while I'm there. I'll be back on Tuesday, and ready to kick some ass. Until then, good luck on the grind everyone, and keep working hard.
-m2m
ptbb's are nice because the number can be smaller and you can still feel good about yourself
Have fun dude!!!
Have fun, and please WASH YOUR HANDS - no joke. We've talked about how dirty that city is, and now there's that fake public health crisis aka swine flu -.-