Wow, I like this. I sometimes try to be too tight on my range reads. Maybe this could help with some things I will look into it farther. keep it up, hit me up if you have time and are feeling the "burn"Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
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Wow, I like this. I sometimes try to be too tight on my range reads. Maybe this could help with some things I will look into it farther. keep it up, hit me up if you have time and are feeling the "burn"Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
Funny jinx.A chinese myself but from Malaysia.I never believe all this Chinese thing.But i was laughing at XTR post about chinese(china)not brushing their teeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
You got post #100 ITT ;)
I was doing the same mistake a lot, like only considering the most likely or seemingly obvious hands, but not taking a range as whole into account.
It´s weird how I´m having random insights during my off time. I am awesome at absorbing informations, but very slow at processing them at times. For example I know for approx. two years, that the ev of folding is zero. I realized, what that means when I had lunch today.
This month continues to be a nightmare. I was secretly aiming for 10k until the end of June, but at the moment I´m hardly breaking even for Jan including Bonus monies.
Completely unknown villian
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($108.55)
BTN ($25.15)
Hero (SB) ($54.76)
BB ($50.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is SB :ad: :qh:
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.50
Flop: :9c: :jd: :qc: ($4, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $20.75, BB raises to $48, Hero calls $27.25
Turn: :5d: ($100, 2 players)
River: :th: ($100, 2 players)
[Results Hidden]
I dont like the flop 3-bet much. We get into a position where I'd like to fold to his shove but the pot odds are too good on a wet board to fold.
yea, i agree. folding seems too exploitable, but calling seems to have some meritQuote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
re: 3betting wet flops w/ made hands
Im not sold yet on any option in the AQ hand being way superior to others, this hand was on my mind all night.
I think it was ISF who said, the only thing that changes during a poker hand is equity. Along with his definition of "draws" (equity stable across ranges, changing per street) and "made hands" (equity changing across ranges, more or less stable over streets) I feel like raising flops with made hands vs a range thats containing lots of draws is not the most magnificient play.
Most of us have learned or figured out two or three years ago, that we want to "charge"draws and deny them correct pot odds. But.
The games nowadays are more aggro than what Harrington was assuming. The 100NL ABC reg will try to get in with a lot of his 40%+ draws. So if we´d b/3b each time we´re only pushing a tiny edge vs him. however, if we took a more passive line on the flop and see a turn, we could get away from our hand on bad turns (requires some reads on the villian, otherwise we´ll get floated on to death?) and have the opportunity to still get the money in with his equity roughly cut in half.
Example here: No other reads on the villian other than shortstacks suck by default. Just assume for the sake of the argument, his donking range looks like {FDs, Qx, 67, 33, 44}
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($48.68)
Hero (BTN) ($77.96)
SB ($23.93)
BB ($64.46)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is BTN :ad: :qc:
CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $2, 1 fold, CO folds
Flop: :4s: :5c: :qs: ($5.50, 2 players)
SB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50
Turn: :td: ($16.50, 2 players)
SB bets $16.18, Hero calls $16.18
I like this!
You're giving villain the option to stack his draws to you.
Agree with what you're saying, but the thing is that once he's potting the flop, he's never folding to a raise anyway with this kind of stack.
The theory works better though when you're 100bb or deeper since you cut down his equity a lot by seeing a turn. Whereas here, you have to go with it anyway.
Alexos - Unfortunately, I think villain can fold a lot here. I see this happen daily at 50NL. 50NL players, even the "regs" or whatever are so bad it's scary. I'm still at 50NL btw.
Kmizzle - Point taken. Move up already.
The main issue with that hand, is that villain has already set himself a price which we're happy with. Infact, if villain had checked we would c-bet less than pot, so infact by donking he's charging himself more to draw than we would. I'm sometimes prepared to say "thats a good enough price already", I'm not sure why its expected that we be the one to set the price no matter what. If villain donks 1/4 pot or something, then sure, we raise up that blocking bet nice and high (since most villains who block bet wont fold to almost any sized raise because....well I dunno why they dont, they just dont).
All good points, thanks guys. Example above is not right spot on, I´m gonna look for a better one.
January sucked big time. Moreso did I suck big time in Jan. Kinda bad start into the new year and the fact that others around here and even real life poker friends struggle with similar issues doesn´t make it better. Seems like there are reaaaaaalllyy bad times coming for the fish and poor regs around, when all the cool guys begin to catch hands again and have their hands holding up ;) something positive to say? Meh. I thought about poker. I processed some concepts und understood some fundamentals. I think I have learned something about myself and may be more stable emotionally, but tbh did I already think so before the dip (see garf) at 20k.
Short term goal is to rebuild the roll so I can comfortably play 100NL again, mid term are still $10k until July 1st, cause I´d love to take a trip to the US. Means averaging $2k/month, GL me.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...anGarf09-1.jpg
I am sitting at 100nl right now, chasing 50nl losses.
Eventually I got table and card mods for the miniview to work, enabling me to play more tables. I know that many many people around won´t find 9tabling 5max a good thing, but it´s the only way for me to play appropiately nitty. Beside that, I´m burnt out after 75 minutes, making it easier for me to quit and get some other stuff done.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($15.88)
BTN ($64.59)
SB ($58.08)
BB ($58.12)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is :7h: :5c:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1
Flop: :7c: :jh: :9d: ($3.25, 2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $6.25, BB calls $4.25
Turn: :5h: ($15.75, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $13, BB raises to $50.37, Hero calls $33.94
River: :6s: ($113.06, 2 players)
[Results Hidden]
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($64.54)
BTN ($39.94)
SB ($56.52)
Hero (BB) ($68.20)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is BB :ac: :qc:
2 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1
Flop: :2c: :kh: :5c: ($3, 2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $7.50, SB calls $4.50
Turn: :2s: ($18, 2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $14
River: :as: ($54, 2 players)
SB bets $29.52, Hero folds
Final Pot: $83.52
fold to his turn raise in hand 1, your def crushed
hmm i think just call turn on hand 2, i doubt he is ever folding to a raise.
also raise more on flop. river is tough since i put him on Kx mostly but weird to shove that.
any reads?? i may call riv on hand 2 hrm...
#1: Agree with GOAT that we should fold to the turn 3bet, this line is very very strong. Our 2 pair on this board is not that good ...
#2: Also call turn we are getting a very good price for our draw. As played, river, without reads it's a bit difficult. What was the timing of the flop/turn bet/call? this seems to be a donk that has A5/Ax and is betting turn/flop or FD that missed and want to push you off Kx. I think I call here. It seems to me that he has Ax (without the 5) or FD more then 35% here (We need to be right around 35%). I don't think that A2/K2/KK/AA would play a lot like this.
ya, i agree on both turns. not sure about the river in hand 2, basically i was thinking that he cant really expect me to fold much after the line i took. I dont know what to make of his line, I cant work out anything that Im ahead of. People do play 22/55 this weird and right now 34s comes to mind. Dunno about AK, but its a possibility.
Those look a lot like blocking bets to me. Missed draw seems likely.
You´re definetly right. Maybe I´m taking my "we can fold rivars"-rule too far after messing up last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Another awful hand. Early in the session I again did not consider all possibilties. My thinking was like "dude, you´re repping exactly 44 and nothing else so I shove"
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($71.08)
CO ($58.38)
BTN ($49.23)
SB ($55.03)
Hero (BB) ($49.25)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB :ac: :jc:
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25
Flop: :tc: :6s: :kh: ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: :4s: ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, BTN raises to $10.25, Hero raises to $47.50
but what are you repping?
Yo dev,
you haven´t been around for while, did you? Good point, Im not repping much either but 66/TT and 77-99 turned into a bluff.
I must admit tho, that Im not too worried about the level 2 stuff in these games.
meh you should prob fold but opp is repping a hugely polarised range of hands. problem is at these stakes their range still includes way way more monsters than air in their polar range.
ya, its those spots where i dont think about what im doing and its pretty clear in hindsight. Just like these from a few minutes ago:
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($44.25)
BTN ($110.40)
SB ($100.55)
Hero (BB) ($125.10)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 4 players) Hero is BB :as: :kh:
1 fold, BTN raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50
Flop: :ks: :9s: :4h: ($7.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50
Turn: :jh: ($18.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $9, BTN raises to $20, Hero calls $11
River: :2c: ($58.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $40, Hero calls $40
[Results Hidden]
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
Hero (CO) ($98.50)
BTN ($59.00)
SB ($99.00)
BB ($100.00)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is CO :ah: :qd:
Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, viangsueb calls $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold
Flop: :qh: :2s: :4s: ($11.50, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.50, viangsueb folds, SB raises to $21, Hero calls $12.50
Turn: :5s: ($53.50, 2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero calls $25
River: :5c: ($103.50, 2 players)
SB bets $13, Hero calls $13
[Results Hidden]
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($366.15)
Hero (BTN) ($101.50)
SB ($123.10)
BB ($158.45)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 4 players) Hero is BTN :8c: :7c:
CO raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, CO calls $8.50
Flop: :8d: :9d: :4c: ($25.50, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: :4h: ($25.50, 2 players)
CO bets $15, Hero calls $15
River: :6c: ($55.50, 2 players)
CO bets $25, Hero calls $25
[Results Hidden]
Cool thing is, how I realized how Im playing poorly and quit.
hand 1 - i dont get your line, id cr flop and get it in or in on flop
hand 2 - tough spot, ok as played but def need reads
hand 3 - if we are 3betting 87s its for a reason which would help us know how to play this hand postflop. any reads
A villian who has been check-calling all sorts of paired hands and liked to donkbet draws. I didnt see him checkraising for value neither.
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
Hero (BTN) ($121.40)
BB ($189.80)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 2 players) Hero is BTN :9d: :3d:
Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1
Flop: :7d: :6c: :ks: ($4, 2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $7
Turn: :6h: ($24, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB raises to $28, Hero calls $14
River: :as: ($80, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $81.40, BB folds
Final Pot: $161.40
Hero wins $160.40 ( won $39 )
BB lost -$40
u shud never raise that preflop lol
wow
I highly doubt he min-raises a 6 on the turn then checks to you on the river. The Ace is a great card to bluff at. Still, you have balls the size of grapefruits.
The beauty of calling the turn with the intent of bluffing the river on a good card is that if he has A7 or finds some way to call you with a K the guy will go bonkers trying to put you on a hand later. It might even be worth showing...
Btw, yes I've been away from FTR for a while. I've been away from online poker for a while actually. There's been lots of juicy local games, so I haven't had to play online. As it turns out, I'd rather make a living in my underwear in front of my computer than sit around with a bunch of miserable old men.
fypQuote:
Originally Posted by dev
meh. i was min-opening 100% of my buttons. villian still folded a ton, i had some decent reads on his value and bluff lines oop and got to play 3bet pots in position with SPR>10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da GOAT
Potsize Manipulation in 3bet Pots
When we are planning our hand and consider our options, managing the pot size in our favor is important an valuable. In 100BB poker we have pretty much two streets to manipulate the potsize with a sizable amount of money behind.
Preflop
Factors to consider are the nature of our raise (bluff/value), the villians frequencies for fold/call/raise and our plan on future streets.
Value
If we are going to raise for value, figuring to be ahead of his calling range, we are looking to set up a SPR of 4 or smaller. Otherwise we´d be confronted with awkward stack sizes on turn/river and won´t be able to get all the money in before the river without overbetting the pot at some point. Our intention is to bet as much as possible without significantly tightening the villians calling range.
Example:
***** Hand History for Game 482337102724 *****
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 29, 10:00:09 ET 2008
Table Isfahan (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: OwnedByRiver ( $123.40 USD )
Seat 2: 123gross ( $113.55 USD )
Seat 3: pla5te ( $164.70 USD )
Seat 7: OnlineDonk ( $143.15 USD )
Seat 10: tahitoa ( $362.60 USD )
OwnedByRiver posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
123gross posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to 123gross [ Qc Qd ]
pla5te folds
OnlineDonk folds
tahitoa raises [$3.50 USD]
OwnedByRiver folds
123gross raises [$12.00 USD]
tahitoa calls [$9.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 5s, 4s ]
123gross bets [$18.00 USD]
tahitoa calls [$18.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
123gross bets [$44.00 USD]
tahitoa calls [$44.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
123gross has roughly $40 left.
3Betting for value vs a high vpip player who we perceive to call fairly wide. We see a flop with a SPR of 4 (~100/25). We want to get all the money in while we can figure to have decent equity vs his range (68% vs {JJ-TT,AsKs,AsQs,AJs,AsTs,KsQs,KJs,KJo}). If possible we want to be all in as long the villian can figure to have some equity as well, ie dont give him a chance to fold missed draws on the river. With a SPR of 4:1 we need to bet full pot to have a potsized shove left on turn. As played we missed out on the chance on winning 40BB more by not sizing optimal.
2.1 Bluff
Secondly we could be 3betting as a bluff as well, going for the inherent immediate profit of the times the other person folds his hands preflop. Sometimes we´ll get 4bet and have to fold and other times the villian may elect to call. Assuming a not too crazy dynamic his calling range may look like {99-QQ,1/2KK+,1/4AK,AQs}. Our 3bet bluffs are behind his calling range, so our options postflop are to give up or win the pot by giving him a chance to fold his better hand. We want to put in as little money as possible, without significantly widening his calling range.
2.2
***** Hand History for Game 488256094538 *****
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 06, 10:39:04 ET 2009
Table Jurong (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 4: vin7ent ( $366.15 USD )
Seat 5: 123gross ( $101.50 USD )
Seat 8: _Cucaracha_ ( $123.10 USD )
Seat 10: zenlife411 ( $158.45 USD )
_Cucaracha_ posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
zenlife411 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to 123gross [ 8c 7c ]
vin7ent raises [$3.50 USD]
123gross raises [$12.00 USD]
_Cucaracha_ folds
zenlife411 folds
vin7ent calls [$8.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 9d, 4c ]
vin7ent checks
In order to our goal of putting in as little chips as possible, we start by 3betting to the lower end of our sizing range. In the example above I could probably have gone for 10BB with the same effects. Setting up higher SPRs will not only save us money the times we get raised, but will give us more room for postflop play. Now the hand above shows a flop SPR of 3.5:1, 3betting to 10BB would have resulted in 4.2:1. We are behind on this flop by 36:64 and for the sake of this example we go ahead and cbet. In the actual hand there´s 25.5 in the pot and we have 89.5 left.
With a cbet sized “x”, the pot on turn will be (25.5+2*x) and our stack will be (89.5-x), turn SPR (89.5-x)/(25.5+2*x). So the smaller our cbet, the bigger our SPR on following streets. We want to optimize our cbet size/ future SPRs for several reaons:
The smallest profitable cbet possible saves the most money the times we get check/raised and have to fold.
The higher our SPR on later streets, the higher the implied threat our villians is facing.
Now whats the best cbet size? It depends on villians fold/call/raise-ratio and our plan for future streets. We can safely fold to a raise and are behind more often than not when we get called. If we assume, that villians call/fold/raise-ratio responds inelastic over [½ pot; full pot], we only have to take our expectation and future plans into account (we dont have too worry too much about our cbet size having an impact on his responding actions)
x = 10BB; pot(turn) = 45.5; stack(turn) = 79.5: SPR(turn) = 1.7:1
x = 17.5BB ; pot(turn) = 60.5;stack(turn) = 72; SPR(turn)= 1.2:1
x = 25.5BB; pot(turn) = 76.5; stack(turn) = 64; SPR(turn) = 0.83:1
Estimated ranges for the inelastic interval:
Preflop (according to 2.1) {AcAh,AdAh,AdAs,KcKd,KcKh,KdKh,QQ-99,AhKh,AQs,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,AdKc}
39 combos
cbet “x”
fold: {AKo, non diamond AQs, non diamond AKs} 7 ¾ combos (¼ chance of AKs being diamond)
call {99-QQ,1/2 AA-KK, ¼ AdKd-AdQd} 27 ½ combos
raise {¾ AdKd-AdQd, ½ AA-KK} 4 ½ combos
roughly 20/70/10 fold/call/raise. So 20+10% the time we want to size our cbet as small as possible, to lose the least when we get raised/to bluff with the least amount possible, which would be 1/3 pot or 8.5BB. However, 70% of the time we want to set up future SPRs in way, that we can either value shove an 8 or 7 or bluff shove an A or K (note that 99-QQ make up for 87% of villians calling range). So SPRs within [0.8; 1] are what we are looking for.
SPR(lo) = 0.8 = (89.5-x)/(25.5+2*x)
x = 26.6BB
SPR(hi) = 1 = (89.5-x)/25.5+2*x)
x = 21.3BB
So 70% of the time we want our cbet to lie within [21.3; 25.5] (x for SPR(lo) is not part of the sizing range to which he responds inelastic, so we´d have to do another responding-ratio analysis)
Conclusions:
Regardless of whether or not we want to be 3betting or cbetting in the first place, we are able to analyze our sizing intervals for our cbet with respect to our future plans. In this specific case we have colliding goals of betting 8.5BB 30% the time and [21.3; 25.5] 70% the time.
edit: No whining although I´d really like to.
I need to come back and reread your 3betting post XTR, but I like it first time through.
Yea, I´d appreciate any comments and critics. I think it´s not very well composed and neither fully coherent, yet I´d like to know, if the approach I took could make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Recent weeks have all been about getting coolered at 100nl and grinding it back at 50nl. Kinda like that Sisyphos guy, rolling the rock up the hill every day, just to find it back in the valley the next mornin.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($64.26)
BTN ($34.66)
Hero (SB) ($49.82)
BB ($51.25)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is SB :as: :ah:
2 folds, wiewiorka83 raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold
Flop: :9c: :9s: :kh: ($4, 2 players)
Hero checks, wiewiorka83 bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50
Turn: :qc: ($9, 2 players)
Hero checks, wiewiorka83 bets $5, Hero calls $5
River: :3s: ($19, 2 players)
Hero checks, wiewiorka83 bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50
Do you have some kind of read on this guy?
nothing too strong, he´s neither notably tight nor v passive. i should probably be raising somewhere tho
I think the earlier, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
I can't tell which stack is his, the HH has 3 folds, a raiser, and a caller but there's only 4 stacks represented. I'll assume he's the button.
I don't see why we're not just raising preflop.
If your game hasn't changed too too much in the past 6 months, I thought you had a pretty loose raising range. What's with the calling OOP?
yea, 3betting pre is still standard ldo
but. basically I began to call a fair amount of big card holdings from the blinds vs button opens, all those hands that do well vs their opening range but are too thin to play in a 3bet pot oop. With those adjustements I like to show up with QQ+,AK as well from time to time.
I reread the whole thing. I like the approach. I think the first half of the article was really good. I liked the split "sweet spot" for bet-sizing, and I thought the assumptions/reads you used to get there made a lot of sense. I think it's like 95% done - just maybe clean up the last couple of paragraphs.Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
Basically, I learned a good bit while reading it.
inelastic... I learned a new word!
It's also interesting to take such an in depth approach to c-bet sizing. That said, I think this can go further. Would it make sense to come to some sort of happy medium in the second case? The most obvious would be a weighted average (.3*8.5)+(.7*21.3) = 17.46 or 18bb, leaving a pot of 61.5 and a stack of 71.5, SPR ~ 1.1:1. I don't think that's the way to go about it really, maybe a 30% of the time we do this with both ranges and 70% of the time we do that with both ranges? It seems like a lot of trouble for balance...
Ah forget it, I'm not helping. Definitely post the final version.
yea, u´re on to what i couldnt figure out really when writing this. gonna spend some more time on it next week.
as for poker, its all a mess. i cant figure out whats going wrong, but im basically breaking even for like 70k or so at 100nl and 50nl. kinda weird, the games are soft and there once was a time, where i was beating the house at 200nl for 100k. my br dwindles down, since i have to pay semester fees and stuff, so im gonna camp at 50nl for a bit longer.
as for real life, i had a great day going snowboarding today. didnt go for jumps and rails as im usually doing and just went for max speed which was awesome. good times.
I don't know what % of your plays are the weird stuff you post here, but if there's something that's going to make you money at 200nl and lose you money at 50nl, it's the passive plays with aces, etc. You're over thinking it and giving your opponents' thought processes too much credit.
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#1 42/36
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($36.43)
Hero (CO) ($75.63)
BTN ($127.11)
SB ($84.20)
BB ($48.50)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is CO :ah: :th:
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 3 folds
Flop: :ks: :jh: :7h: ($4.75, 2 players)
UTG bets $4, Hero raises to $8, UTG raises to $12, Hero raises to $73.63, UTG calls $22.43
Turn: :9c: ($112.81, 2 players)
River: :4c: ($112.81, 2 players)
Final Pot: $112.81
Hero shows: :ah: :th:
UTG shows: :kc: :8s:
Hero wins $39.20 ( lost -$36.43 )
UTG wins $72.11 ( won $35.68 )
#2 same villian
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
BTN ($162.91)
SB ($77.89)
Hero (BB) ($50.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is BB :ad: :8d:
1 fold, eatmynuts1 raises to $1.75, SB calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6.50, eatmynuts1 folds, SB calls $4.75
Flop: :7d: :6c: :as: ($14.75, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: :8h: ($14.75, 2 players)
SB bets $6.25, Hero raises to $12.50, SB calls $6.25
River: :2d: ($39.75, 2 players)
SB bets $22.50, Hero raises to $31, SB calls $8.50
Final Pot: $101.75
Hero shows: :ad: :8d:
SB shows: :th: :9d:
SB wins $100.25 ( won $50.25 )
Hero lost -$50
eatmynuts1 lost -$1.75
#3 68/29
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($50.00)
BTN ($348.19)
SB ($89.15)
Hero (BB) ($99.07)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB :ac: :qd:
1 fold, BTN raises to $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50
Flop: :2h: :4d: :as: ($6, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $3, SB calls $3, Hero calls $3
Turn: :7h: ($15, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $6.25, SB folds, Hero calls $6.25
River: :kc: ($27.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20.50, Hero calls $20.50
Final Pot: $68.50
BTN shows: :ah: :kd:
BTN wins $67 ( won $35.25 )
Hero lost -$31.75
SB lost -$5
#4 52/22
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($25.54)
CO ($129.89)
Hero (BTN) ($50.00)
SB ($162.41)
BB ($57.78)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BTN :8h: :7h:
UTG raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds
Flop: :7d: :6c: :9h: ($6, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $4.50, UTG folds, CO calls $4.50
Turn: :4d: ($15, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8
River: :3c: ($31, 2 players)
CO bets $11.25, Hero folds
Final Pot: $42.25
CO wins $40.75 ( won $15.25 )
Hero lost -$14.25
UTG lost -$1.75
#5
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($50.10)
CO ($53.74)
BTN ($78.11)
SB ($49.50)
Hero (BB) ($86.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB :qc: :qd:
3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50
Flop: :7s: :5d: :8d: ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3
Turn: :ac: ($10, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB raises to $14, Hero folds
Final Pot: $31
SB wins $29.80 ( won $10.80 )
Hero lost -$12
#6
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($53.03)
Hero (CO) ($91.01)
BTN ($51.35)
SB ($46.16)
BB ($30.60)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is CO :th: :8h:
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $3.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.25
Flop: :jh: :6s: :2h: ($8, 2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4
Turn: :ah: ($16, 2 players)
SB bets $7.50, Hero raises to $20, SB raises to $38.41, Hero calls $18.41
River: :3h: ($92.82, 2 players)
Final Pot: $92.82
Hero shows: :th: :8h:
SB shows: :qc: :qh:
SB wins $91.32 ( won $45.16 )
Hero lost -$46.16
#7
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($56.08)
CO ($53.75)
BTN ($50.00)
SB ($64.20)
BB ($43.28)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is UTG :kh: :jh:
Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds
Flop: :jd: :9h: :kd: ($4.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, BTN raises to $10, Hero raises to $54.33, BTN calls $38.25
Turn: :2d: ($106.83, 2 players)
River: :6h: ($106.83, 2 players)
Final Pot: $106.83
BTN shows: :qs: :ts:
Hero shows: :kh: :jh:
BTN wins $99.25 ( won $49.25 )
Hero wins $6.08 ( lost -$50 )
In add to that I have flopped like a million of sets and never got past the flop.
looked at first few;
-sup with minraising
-sup with minraising
-sup with minraising
I just think you got coolered a lot!
All the play if fine, with exception of #3 where I squeeze the ATM guy with AQo from BB and then the hand is pretty easy post flop.
just trying to induce spazzos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da GOAT
thx. I need to verify that i dont suck totally. for some reason i still believe that i can be a winning player ;) hard times, pray for that this shit ends soon. as for the squeeze, agree completely. it´s the old "they outflop me anyway" retardedness im sufferingQuote:
Originally Posted by jimmy44
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($93.40)
BTN ($51.28)
SB ($111.23)
Hero (BB) ($54.23)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB :kh: :qc:
3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50
Flop: :kc: :2s: :8h: ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.25, SB calls $2.25
Turn: :9c: ($8.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: :ks: ($8.50, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $49.98
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
BTN ($65.49)
SB ($9.66)
BB ($33.66)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is :js: :ts:
BTN raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $2.75
Flop: :7s: :8h: :qh: ($9.75, 2 players)
BTN checks, Hero checks
Turn: :jh: ($9.75, 2 players)
BTN checks, Hero bets $6.50, BTN calls $6.50
River: :6h: ($22.75, 2 players)
BTN checks
#1 - ez turn bet
#2 fine check back riv
1) why for do you not bet blank turn?
You may be inducing a bluff on the river, but without a read?
2) Do we think he can fold to a $12 bet > 35%? We might beat like 5% of his range here, so I hate to just check if we can find a way to profitably bluff. It's great for metagame, too.
in #1 I felt like his range is so weak, that I wont get more than two streets of value anyway. It seems to me, that a bet - check - bet line usually gets a second call more often than a bet - bet - bet/check line. Im rarely firing this turn with air and theres a decent chance at these tables that opponent will bet the river turning his 86/44/A2 into a bluff. Im not a big fan of pot controlling turns, but it seems to work good for value.
Not sure what to make of #2, I figure to have some sd value and he won´t ever fold any heart. I may very well get him off AJ/KQ/AQ tho.
its BvB so Id def barrel
in saying tho i understand your line and perhaps its a style thing
vs an unknown this is best IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Da GOAT
Its those spots where I probably level myself with "oh noes I almost never bluff here so I cant bet for value".
This month still sucks as Im still in the red (basically I am since Dec 08). Lot of pressure on my roll since semester fees are due and some bills want to be paid, so 50nl is my place to be right now. Friend of mine offered to stake me for 100nl again and I may accept that generous offer, I think I gotta go plugging some before. First half of exams will be done by thursday and by then Im gonna have enough time to dedicate to poker again. Gonna look into bluefire vids then and finally fix my HM, which is missing lots of hands lately on ongame.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
Hero (CO) ($50.84)
BTN ($85.10)
SB ($77.41)
BB ($50.50)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is CO :ad: :ks:
Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds
Flop: :kd: :2c: :3d: ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, BTN raises to $6.25, Hero calls $4
Turn: :ts: ($16.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.25, Hero calls $11.25
River: :qd: ($38.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $22.50, Hero folds
b/f river.
haha, I hate this hand ;) I talked to several people about this hand and got suggestions ranging from b/f flop, b/f turn, c/c flop and now b/f river. I´ll add that the BTN and I don´t have history and his numbers look nit-taggish.Quote:
Originally Posted by dev
I think probably b/f turn is correct, but at the time I probably play the same as you (planning to c/c non-diamond rivers)
Hand is posted here for further discussion.
Off topic:
Since like half of the OPs around deal with getting in shape as well I´m gonna write a bit about my progress.
I´m gonna be in sick shape this summer. After chilling out almost the entire december I got back to the gym and my running shoes. I´m out running three times a week, getting in 15 to 20km/week. The weather sucks big time, as we still have loads of snow and ice and it´s kinda hard to run a decent average. I´ve signed up for the Hannover half marathon in early May and am aiming at <1:35hrs. I´m gonna run the HM with a friend mine and he´s already ahead of me.
Bike- and skateparks are closed, so that theres gonna be no dirtjumping and dh training the next weeks, until the tracks are free from snow again I´m sticking with snowboarding to get my weekly fix of gravity and speed.
To improve overall strength and body tension and to lower the risk of getting injured when Im racing Im hitting the gym three times a week and am indoor climbing two times a week. Basically I just began to climb, but got all hooked up. Looking forward to go climbing outdoor when the spring arrives.
GL w/ the HM. 1:35 is way faster than I'll run. I've been a distance runner for 30+ years - I started when I was a little kid. I really like what the running craze has done for the sport with so many quality road races and courses and support nearly every weekend of the year. So best of luck. I hope it all works out for you, especially the half marathon.
Thx man, Im gonna post results here right after I finish ;)
Token post:
How do "scare cards" affect the aggressors betting ranges?
Okay, so the combo of HM and ongame sucks balls right now. I had a decent session, but HM has it for -60 which is def wrong. Gotta fix this asap. I grabbed one big hand from tonight
TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, P4-89606971-940
played at "Bata" for USD RM from 2009-02-22 15:46 until 2009-02-22 15:47
Seat 1: smoka_31 ($38.15 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($145.24 in chips)
Seat 7: joniep ($52.73 in chips)
Seat 9: OMGLadyGaGa ($58.41 in chips)
Seat 10: villian ($49.92 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
smoka_31 posts small blind ($0.25), Hero posts big blind ($0.50).
Hero is BB with :Kc: :Kd:
PRE-FLOP
joniep folds, OMGLadyGaGa bets $2, villain bets $6.25, smoka_31 folds, Hero bets $13.50, OMGLadyGaGa folds, villain calls $7.75.
FLOP [board cards: :Th: :3d: :Ah: ]
Hero checks, villain bets $15, Hero calls $15.
TURN [:Jh: ]
Hero checks, villian checks.
RIVER [:Qh: ]
Hero bets $116.24 and is all-in
I thought you had lost your mind until I saw the effective stacks :P
I love this, I'd love it more if you were deepQuote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
Im bored. Wrote my final exam in business law this morning and should now be studying monopoly regulation theory for tomorrow morning, but meh.
Back to the "scare cards"-thingy.I got his from watching a training vid, but I feel like I should put it in words on my own to fully understand the concept.
What it comes down to is that a scare usually polarizes our opponents betting ranges, ie he´s more likely to continue with his bluffs and less likely to valuebet the thinner part of his range. Im struggling to filter a good example from HM, but imagine we call a decent aggressive players BTN open in the BB with A7s
He may open like
{22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,64s+, 54s,43s,32s,
A5o+,KTo+,QTo+,J9o+,T8o+,98o,87o,76o,65o,54o,43o}
Flop 7d Jc 5c
A tight cbetting range
{88+,7c7h,7c7s,7h7s,66,5c5h,5c5s,5h5s,AQs+,AdJd,Ah Jh,AsJs,ATs-A8s,Ac7c,Ah7h,As7s,A6s,Ac5c,Ah5h,As5s,A4s-A2s,KQs,KdJd,KhJh,KsJs,QdJd,QhJh,QsJs,JdTd,JhTh,Js Ts,T9s,98s,8c7c,
8h7h,8s7s,7c6c,7h6h,7s6s,6c5c,6h5h,6s5s,5c4c,5h4h, 5s4s,ATo+,KcJd,
KcJh,KcJs,KdJh,KdJs,KhJd,KhJs,KsJd,KsJh,QcJh,QcJs, QdJc,QdJh,QdJs,
QhJc,QhJs,QsJc,QsJh,JcTd,JcTh,JcTs,JhTc,JhTd,JhTs, JsTc,JsTd,JsTh,
T9o,98o,87o,76o,65o,54o,43o}
basically any pair and 4 outs+ draws and we have 54% equity.
Turn brings the Kh and since our villian has been told at DC/CR/2p2/FTR that this is a good card to double barrel, so he goes ahead and fires all of his bluffs and semi bluffs along with his nut range. Interesting thing is, that most villians are not thinly value betting their in between pairs like a J or TT. So although an overcard to our pair rolled off our equity has gone up to 64% vs {JJ+,7c7h,7c7s,7h7s,66,5c5h,5c5s,5h5s,AQs+,ATs-A8s,A6s,A4s-A2s,KQs,KdJd,KhJh,KsJs,QdJd,QhJh,QsJs,T9s,98s,8c7c ,8h7h,8s7s,7c6c,
7h6h,7s6s,6c5c,6h5h,6s5s,5c4c,5h4h,5s4s,ATo+,KcJd, KcJh,KcJs,KdJh,
KdJs,KhJd,KhJs,KsJd,KsJh,T9o,98o,87o,76o,65o,54o,4 3o}
Could be my ranges are a bit off, cuz Im not very focused. Comments and duscussion appreciated.
I'm running through scenarios in my mind. I definitely think you're right. Villains with a reasonably wide stealing range often fail to play their medium strength hands aggressively. Interesting how the equity works out in this hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
I suck at bluff-catching (usually 'cuz I'm nut-catching instead), but the ranges to make sense, imo. Intriguing stuff.
Will this shit ever stop?
Im so tilted and upset right now. It´s my first day into semester break and was so excited to have time to really grind again and I get smacked right in the face. Fucking HM missed the HHs, but I just had AA<KK pfai, JJ<44 on J47 and 99<QQ on 934 witin 20 minutes, along with a couple of smaller beats and some spew I dropped 5 BI in no time, shortly before I had this month in the green again. FML. I know, variance blah blah but this fucking variance shit going on for months is driving me fucking insane. Im thinking about quitting again in the back of my head, but theres no way I can´t beat these games. Seriously, wtf is going on?
This post sounds so fishy and stupid even to myself, but I can´t see where this is grind is going to take me? How am I supposed to stay motivated and focused to play well, when I get shit no matter what I do?
I do study and analyze. I do eat and sleep well. I follow decent BRM. I do workout and do have a social life outside poker. I am aware of when I do well and when I suck. I see what my opponents are doing and adjust accordingly. I do not let specific hands during a session have an impact on my state of mind. And still all I get is a kick in the balls in the end. 18 BI below ev over 80k hands yadda yadda (and thats only the ai coolers). Im not far from seriously considering riggedness. I never believed in doom-/boomswitches, but fuck, what else is this suposed to be?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy44
Thanks Jimmy!
Pretty scary that article, since I could be considered a long time loser by the time Im writing this (in the red over 80k lol)
I got a stake from a friend on FT and got everything there ready to grind last night, setting up the HUD, trying out different card mods and stuff all while playing some 25NL to get used to the new sw. I forgot how sweet the FT sw is. BR hovers now around 2k, gonna jump back to 100nl at 2.5k.
Both villians are massive fish
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP ($49.25)
CO ($117.95)
Hero (Button) ($62.80)
SB ($56.60)
BB ($50)
UTG ($63.85)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif,Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Hero bets $2.75, 2 folds, MP calls $2.25, CO calls $2.25
Flop: ($9) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($9) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $5, MP calls $5, CO calls $5
River: ($24) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $15, Hero folds, 1 fold
Total pot: $24 | Rake: $1.20
Unknown villian and Im not sure if I want to fire the flop or turn
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($66.35)
MP ($58.50)
CO ($47.50)
Hero (Button) ($55.65)
SB ($16.35)
BB ($51.80)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $5.50, Hero raises to $12.50, BB calls $7
Flop: ($25.25) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($25.25) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks
1-bet bigger on turn.river is a terrible fold. I'd prob shove.
2-I'd bet flop on low board.check turn as played.btw if u feel opps cud call 4bet then just shovin is fine
#1: I call, the runner runner fish hit, but our range is pretty weak so the fish could be trying to steal the pot and we have top2. Yup bet bigger turn.
#2: I'm happy to check behind, here, either we are way behind any pair or way in front of anything else and plus we have position. If he has 77-88 he would never fold to a flop bet after calling a 4bet with it.
Opp has worse 2p at ton on river IMO
Im not sure about the AJ, but you´re prob right about A5/A4/A9. I get scared, when the passives suddenly wake up, but in hindsight folding seems sucky.
Feb wasn´t a good month at all. Actually, I ran like dog shit at ongame and took like enough beats for months. 18+ buy in gap between ai EV and $won puts me on life tilt. Going thru HM I realized, how I took that run as an excuse to not look at the hands I butchered. I´m playing horrible damnit! It´s like my plays make total sense to me during the hand and when I get back to them few days later I feel too embarrassed to even post some of them here.
Getting a stake at FT is a good thing. I feel comfortable there and can´t say that 50nl plays a lot different than on euro sites. Overall I haven´t got into many 3-/4betting wars and can´t remember tangling with specific opponents. I´m grinding along and get stacked by feesh, over 50k hands at ongame I´m up on most "regulars" and have several 44/7 types vs whom I´m down one or two buy ins each. Depressing to see the bad players beat the shit out of me.
I lost my track somewhere after the first multi buy in drop in Jan. It´s like I got sucked out on a bit and then decided to play almost exclusively a showdown game vs the donks. The old micro stakes mantra of "make a hand, take them to value town". As a result I got raped in non-SD pots and the reliance on few big hands per session made my variance skyrocket, along with phases of insane monkeytilt, when things like JJ<44 on J42 occured.
Hand 1 39/9/1.1 villian. Given that guys usually go nuts on trips I dont like to fold here
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($67.64)
BTN ($51.25)
SB ($54.46)
Hero (BB) ($51.83)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB :8d: :5h:
3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks
Flop: :6c: :as: :7h: ($1, 2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1
Turn: :9c: ($3, 2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $8.75, SB calls $5.75
River: :ac: ($20.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $44.21, Hero calls $29.58
Hand 2 Villian looks nitty over a small sample
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($81.51)
BTN ($18.98)
SB ($51.61)
Hero (BB) ($48.02)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is BB :qs: :js:
2 folds, SB raises to $1.25, Hero calls $0.75
Flop: :qd: :4c: :jd: ($2.50, 2 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $2.75
Turn: :ah: ($10.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $7
River: :2h: ($24.50, 2 players)
SB bets $12.25
As stated in the Feb results thread, I crossed out the word "March" in my calendar and replaced it by "moniez". Let´s see if I can do it.
I´m gonna work on my non-SD game. I need to actually stop autopiloting and begin to read hands. I´m probably gonna spew horribly in some places, but I really need to get away from this TP-camping shit.
Hand 3 38/33/2 villian. Basically my only reason is, that his line doesnt make much sense to me and that I figure to have 40%+ vs his range of all sorts of FDs, 2pr, TP and straight draws
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
3 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
BTN ($16.35)
SB ($42.95)
Hero (BB) ($51.85)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 3 players) Hero is BB :3h: :jh:
BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks
Flop: :9h: :jc: :ah: ($1.50, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5
Turn: :7d: ($17, 2 players)
SB bets $13.50, Hero raises to $43.85, SB folds
Hand 4 This person is very brave and maintained 93/48/2.5 for 30 hands so far.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($60.85)
UTG 1 ($12.25)
CO ($71.75)
Hero (BTN) ($59.15)
SB ($50.00)
BB ($85.80)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN :5h: :4h:
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, CO calls $3.25
Flop: :6s: :jc: :5s: ($10.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $7, CO calls $7
Turn: :9d: ($24.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
River: :6c: ($24.75, 2 players)
CO bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50
Hand 5 21/7/2 villian, bet-when-checked-to syndrome, capable of turning pair/2pr into a bluff here (probably without knowing that). Pure spew, right?
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($61.20)
UTG 1 ($68.85)
CO ($59.25)
BTN ($82.25)
Hero (SB) ($50.00)
BB ($50.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is SB :7d: :ac:
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1
Flop: :qc: :td: :ad: ($3, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3, Hero calls $3
Turn: :kc: ($9, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5
River: :2d: ($19, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $13, Hero raises to $40.50
Hand 6 74/29
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($66.45)
Hero (UTG 1) ($50.00)
CO ($42.10)
BTN ($59.65)
SB ($63.25)
BB ($46.85)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG 1 :ts: :7s:
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.75
Flop: :ac: :3s: :4s: ($5.25, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4
Turn: :9h: ($13.25, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, UTG calls $8
River: :9c: ($29.25, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $35.75
#1: The problem is that he is repping only a FH ... a 1 AF guy is not pushing worst here ... maybe flush at worse ...
In the heat I think I call, but seeing the hand I would say it's a fold.
#2: Tough fold. Nity is not bluffing missed draws here vs your line.
#3: I Jam the flop. Our equity on the turn goes down a lot if we don't hit.
#4: I would call vs this guy and never 3bet with that hand.
#5: Why do you take an average hand here to bluff the river? better take a complete bluff.
#6: Why do you bet over pot on the river? Do you think that villain can fold an Ace? If you put him more on a FD then $20 would be enough.
1) std
2) I call. I see AT and AK here.
3) Scared TP hand maybe? Hate to get it in on the turn rather than the flop, but this way it looks a lot less like a draw.
4) I didn't like the c-bet on the flop, but now I've changed my mind. It worked for pot control because he differed to you later. The river call is std against a player who is certainly capable of bluffing.
5) Is he good enough to lay a straight here? Is he even good enough to lay 2p?
6) This is an awfully expensive bluff. Why try to make bad players lay hands? On this board, it's a rare good spot to bluff a busted draw, but does it work 60% of the time against dominic?
Thanks guys.
On #5, I rarely, if ever get here with less than TP, so I am bluffing the bottom of my range. Actually turn is more questionable, but his sizing made me elect to call. I´m pretty sure he mucks 2pr, not sure about the Jx.
#6 is expensive, yes. I just figured, that this person has way more in his range than pair+, I´ll give him credit for calling down loads of FD´s and gutters and don´t have any Sd value vs those 36s and KTs
How'd we miss the turn on #5? It's like the theory of greater pain, it looked fine when we saw the river.
When I went back to the turn, I was thinking that this is fine if we intend to bluff scare cards AND we think he can fold a good portion of his range when a flush hits. I think the flush is still in his range, so this whole line is really borderline.
The call on the river sucks, the fold makes the turn suck even more, the push has some merit based on the scare card. Still, I think folding is the best play.
You´re prob right there.
Ongame has me still on lifetilt/doomswitch. after doing well at FT I loaded some 100nl tables at tower at got stacked again right off the bat. Gotta admit that most of it was pretty spewy, tilting after losing two flips and a couple of small pot beats. The nightmare continues, its like almost always when I catch a hand they either have the nuts or total air they fold on the flop. Driving me insane, literally.
Take a break man. February ended REALLY bad for me. I gave myself a day off for perspective, considering taking my money out of my main site, etc. I was considering a lot of stuff like playing on another site without RB or just going back to live poker. After a couple of days I was just like, wtf, it's variance, it got to me. A few nights sleep and I had perspective on it. I'm a winning player, so are you. Just keep playing, and do everything you can to forget shit like "they either have the nuts or total air". You have an edge, you WILL win over time. Simple.
Ya, I need to take time off ongame. Im doing well at FT, but am tilted badly towards the games at ongame. Again I make the mistake of focusing too much on all the beats I take and not enough on the times I fuck things up myself. I cant get a foot on the ground since months there and I´ve let buddies check the big pots and blame variance and shit. Thing is, the longer a bad run lasts, the higher are your emotional expectations to finally win a fucking stack. I need to stop whining, but it´s so hard to take such a run over 10 weeks. I see how this shit has worn down myself and I´m playing very poorly there, which tilts me even more.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($46.37)
BTN ($13.02)
SB ($54.67)
BB ($119.18)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is :td: :4d:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1
Flop: :5h: :5s: :3d: ($4.50, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, SB raises to $11, BB folds, Hero calls $7.50
Turn: :kd: ($26.50, 2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero raises to $43.22
A tag-laggy player vs whom I´m floating the flop a huge %, since his range is so polarized and overall pretty weak. Turn obv sucks big time with these stacks and him leading.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
3 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
BTN ($50.00)
SB ($78.07)
Hero (BB) ($50.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 3 players) Hero is BB :as: :ad:
BTN raises to $1.75, SB folds, Hero calls $1.25
Flop: :9c: :ts: :7c: ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.75, Hero raises to $7.50, BTN raises to $48.25
Yea, once again I got fancy. I do flat the Aces once in while vs EP raises (HH is messed up, we´re 5 handed)
I like the first hand. If he knows we're floating him a lot, especially on a dry board like that, he can easily put us on a king.
I hate flatting a single raise with aces pre-flop, but this type of play has worked fairly well against my laggtard ass enough, so I can't really say it sucks. There's a lot of draws in there but I think the most likely holdings are like 88 and JJ. Slightly ahead/way behind... The bet is just too big.
Title change, since making pancakes has shown to be a powerful tool of tilt control for me. As I´m writing this, I´m running between the kitchen and my comp, listening to Jewel and making awesome pancakes. Actually I´m using an instant pancakes mix, cuz I´m a lazy ass but they still can be considered "awesome". I´ve found, that using resolidified butter is the key to deliciouseness. I can´t eat as many pancakes as I´d like to make, which let´s me see myself opening a pancake bakery and getting rich of other people having breakfast. not a bad idea, since they aren´t yet as popular here as they are in other parts of the world.
I prefer them with chocolate chips and bananas, with blueberries or with peanutbutter and jam. I´m gonna try out some sort of "multigloboincredibilo fitness pancake" with protein powder and oatmeal soon.
http://www.healtheries.co.nz/images/...r_pancakes.jpg
yummy yummy
mmmmmmmmmm, pancakes.
I sent a message to a girl about 10 hours ago that said, "Mmmmm blueberry pancakes"Quote:
Originally Posted by bode
Great minds think alike.
I think I made myself a lot of money last night by checking the flash games thread isntead of playing tired.
Visited the CeBit yesterday, I think it´s the worlds largest IT-fair. Not too many interesting things for compatrds like me, I just let flashy lights and hot hostesses lead me thru the halls.
I had a decent day! I played more than threethousand hands of shorthanded no boundaries hold thems and it feels like 10k hands.
I started out at ongames 50nl and something triggered the spew button:
#1 I´m not sure about cbetting the flop, the villian runs 29/15. Turn is kinda meh, I dont figure to have much SD value even with TPTK, hence b/f to get him off TT/JJ
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($64.89)
CO ($91.63)
Hero (BTN) ($140.65)
SB ($44.25)
BB ($10.87)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BTN :ac: :9c:
1 fold, CO raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6.50, 2 folds, CO calls $4.75
Flop: :7s: :4h: :5h: ($13.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8
Turn: :9h: ($29.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $18, CO raises to $50, Hero folds
#2 Taggish person.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($71.44)
Hero (BTN) ($51.75)
SB ($62.92)
BB ($51.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is BTN :5h: :3h:
CO raises to $2, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, CO calls $3
Flop: :5s: :6c: :2h: ($10.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: :qs: ($10.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $7, CO calls $7
River: :7s: ($24.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $17
#3 Meh. spew much?
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($53.90)
CO ($107.65)
BTN ($42.32)
Hero (SB) ($50.00)
BB ($74.40)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is SB :4c: :3c:
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $5.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.75
Flop: :8c: :qd: :jd: ($11.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: :4s: ($11.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, BTN calls $6.50
River: :kc: ($24.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $14
#4 Tag opponent. Anyone like a shove on river?
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($112.10)
Hero (UTG 1) ($106.30)
CO ($99.25)
BTN ($102.75)
SB ($50.00)
BB ($89.80)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG 1 :js: :jd:
UTG raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $6.50, 4 folds, UTG calls $5
Flop: :8h: :5c: :7d: ($13.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.50, UTG calls $7.50
Turn: :6h: ($28.75, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $19, UTG calls $19
River: :th: ($66.75, 2 players)
UTG checks
And then went playing 100nl at FT.
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($100.75)
UTG 1 ($99.65)
Hero (CO) ($100.00)
BTN ($203.60)
SB ($130.10)
BB ($111.00)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is CO :kd: :kc:
UTG raises to $3.50, UTG 1 calls $3.50, Hero raises to $13, BTN raises to $30, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG 1 calls $26.50, Hero raises to $100, BTN raises to $170, UTG 1 calls $69.65
Flop: :3d: :ks: :9c: ($374.65, 3 players)
Turn: :5c: ($374.65, 3 players)
River: :8c: ($374.65, 3 players)
Final Pot: $374.65
BTN shows: :ah: :ac:
UTG 1 shows: :3h: :3c:
#1 I don't think you're getting him off TT/JJ. I think I check back and maybe call a fishy bet on the river.
#2 Is this one of those river bets where you just hope V folds so that you don't have to show your hand?
#3 no comment.
#4 If you've been quiet on this table I like a shove, but if you've been building up a laggtard image, then no.
#5 Wheeeeeeeeeee!
It´s not that type of bet in #2, Im happy to show down rags in 3bet pots. It´s more like dumb bluff, cuz his line doesnt indicate too much strength. I´ve been in line at the table in hand 5, so I think a shove would have been cool. Yet I gave up and lost to KK.
So things seem to slowly come back. I dont wanna praise the day before the sun has settled, but the beats have come a lower and more bearable level.
I played a very poor session on FT
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
3 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
BTN ($52.00)
SB ($50.00)
Hero (BB) ($50.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 3 players) Hero is BB :js: :jc:
BTN raises to $1, SB folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls $3
Flop: :td: :2h: :6h: ($8.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BTN calls $5.50
Turn: :5h: ($19.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $13.50, BTN calls $13.50
River: :kd: ($46.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $29, Hero calls $27
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($65.70)
UTG 1 ($50.00)
CO ($76.35)
BTN ($71.55)
SB ($87.80)
Hero (BB) ($53.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB :8c: :kc:
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50
Flop: :4c: :7c: :6h: ($3, 3 players)
SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, CO folds
Turn: :2s: ($8, 2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $7
River: :qd: ($28, 2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero folds
And a decent sesh at ongame
$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($29.00)
CO ($117.15)
BTN ($124.40)
SB ($101.50)
BB ($105.90)
Hero is SB with :Jc: :Jd:
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players)
3 folds, SB bets $3, BB bets $12.50, SB bets $27, BB calls $17
Flop: :6s: :kd: :3h: ($61, 2 players)
SB checks, BB bets $38, SB folds
Today´s topic:
"Why I fought thru all the variance at ongame and why Im so cocky to believe I could be a long term winner there"
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($41.50)
BTN ($31.65)
SB ($99.00)
BB ($97.15)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is :qh: :qd:
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $7, SB folds
Flop: :7s: :5d: :4d: ($23, 2 players)
BB bets $23, Hero raises to $90, BB calls $64.15
Turn: :2c: ($200.15, 2 players)
River: :tc: ($200.15, 2 players)
Final Pot: $200.15
Hero shows: :qh: :qd:
BB shows: :ah: :kh:
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
BTN ($189.80)
Hero (SB) ($97.00)
BB ($89.50)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 4 players) Hero is SB :qc: :qd:
BTN raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $5.50
Flop: :7s: :6c: :8s: ($16, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12
Turn: :6d: ($40, 2 players)
Hero bets $33, BTN raises to $70, Hero raises to $77.50, BTN calls $7.50
River: :tc: ($195, 2 players)
Final Pot: $195
BTN shows: :ac: :jh:
Hero shows: :qc: :qd:
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
Hero (CO) ($162.00)
BTN ($98.50)
SB ($216.45)
BB ($108.95)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is CO :as: :kh:
Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, ronmc80 calls $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold
Flop: :3h: :ks: :4s: ($11.50, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, ronmc80 calls $8, SB folds
Turn: :7d: ($27.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, ronmc80 bets $13.50, Hero calls $13.50
River: :kd: ($54.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, ronmc80 bets $27, Hero raises to $137, ronmc80 calls $38.25
Final Pot: $256.75
Hero shows: :as: :kh:
ronmc80 shows: :jc: :3c:
fyp.Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
Weekend.
I just got up and make pancakes for breakfast and a huge cup of coffee. Went to play a 5NL homegame at a friend´s last night and had quite a lot of fun. I was running an estimated 75/50 or so and did outflop them nits quite good. Unfortunately I lost a 450BB pot vs K high ;)
Online poker will continue for me in a minute. Let me get a shower first and then I´m gonna hit FT.
Todays major fuck up
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($196.90)
BB ($357.60)
UTG ($330.15)
Hero (MP) ($154.70)
CO ($116.20)
Button ($100)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $3.50, 1 fold, Button calls $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold
Flop: ($11.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $8
Turn: ($27.50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $24, Hero calls $24
River: ($75.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $64.50 (All-In), Hero folds
Total pot: $75.50
How on earth can u fold that
This person is pretty bad.
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($230.00)
CO ($105.55)
Hero (BTN) ($114.15)
SB ($114.70)
BB ($154.30)
Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BTN :kd: :6d:
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.50
Flop: :kc: :6h: :9s: ($10.50, 2 players)
UTG bets $5.50, Hero raises to $15, UTG calls $9.50
Turn: :8h: ($40.50, 2 players)
UTG bets $10.50, Hero raises to $29, UTG calls $18.50
River: :ts: ($98.50, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $65.65
my lucky day, i just found 50 bucks in my AP account.