DA-YAM
I feel like a stripper. Every time I turn around, someone's throwing dollars bills at me. Gotta love those donks.
I'm up 10 BI for the day, and I think I'm done. I may play a couple hundred more hands, but it's sure been fun.
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DA-YAM
I feel like a stripper. Every time I turn around, someone's throwing dollars bills at me. Gotta love those donks.
I'm up 10 BI for the day, and I think I'm done. I may play a couple hundred more hands, but it's sure been fun.
but but but you didn't even have bottom set. Fist pump.
those other hands had flush draws, chopper.
so, you are saying you are going to stick it in when everyone else and their brother had already done so w/ K6s? like i said, i can sort of see AJs doing this, but AT THESE SMALL STAKES, you dont need to play such margins. save the money and stick it in when you know you have the best of it. the money isnt hard to come by down here....AJs just added to his variance, imo. i know he thought he had "odds," but hellmuth would have "waited for a better spot," too.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
you have to think theres a huge chance of a set in there with the action. and, if there is, you dont have the equity for your push to be strictly for value.
i mean the action went....POT, POT, POT, SHOVE, SHOVE...now how the hell do you think your naked flush draws are good vs this many players? AJs is calling $19.90 into $49. he is only getting 2.5:1 on his call. so, actually, he stuck it in bad. hell, even K6 had better odds...he had 4:1.
cant we agree that that is ALL they had....flush draws. they didnt have a pair. they dont have the slightest chance of being "best" to this point. all they have is a draw....and the only one with proper odds has the 2nd nut draw.
and, the reason for "cringing" is because you KNOW there are flush draws out. sure, you have equity, but you are still....once you see the size of this pot...saying, "ONE TIME, BABY!!!! ONE TIME."Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzard
robb is the only one that played this hand well/correctly.
LoL. Missed that. I was SOOOOOOO hovering on the all-in button! Guess I lost my head in the middle of all the fist pumpin!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
No cringe. I checked the equity on the flop - I've got like 75%, with 1%, 23% and 1% for K-high flush, A-high flush and TPTK respectively. Set of T's is my only worry.
chopper - sorry. I meant it in the fact that, well, they did have "outs". I wasn't sure if you noticed it but it's clear now you did. I just thought you missed it the first time and thought they were blindly sticking money in. Trust me, they played their hands horribly, no doubting that. I guess I am just bitter after seeing the crap day in and day out that people have in stakes up to at least 200nl (92s > KK today) and wanted to make sure everyone knows people are stupid and play very -EV hands preflop and improper calls postflop. It just is an extra help to widen their range making this a fist pump. Plus they could have an overpair/TP. Much :heart: sir
robb - sick day man but I'm not surprised. Keep it up!
74% equity all in on a 500+bb pot is awesome
Good point on wide ranges - jeez this f**kers are dumb!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
Final tally is +11 BI on 1975 hands, or 27 ptBB/100. Another sick day and even this bankroll nit will be rolled for 25nl.
My current target for moving up is when I get my rakeback in November. If I don't donk off my roll before then, I'll be ready to tackle 25nl with $800+ behind. :cool:
no worries, todd...lol. i usually cant read a HH. hell, this time i had to go back to it to get specific. it was just the "gut" that went, "holy crap those guys were awful." i think most of us rarely get that detailed in calcs anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by kmind
and, if you guys think THOSE plays are awful, i suggest dabbling with the Double or Nothings going on right now. you will see some off-the-wall shit before you realize its not as bad (equity-wise) as it seems once the cards flip over.
anyway, carry on ROBBBBBBBBB.
ummmm 4>3 dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by Robb
I really just lost my way in poker for six months, not playing very many hands, and decimating my roll with "under-rolled" shots at 25nl when my game wasn't sharp. I played about 50k hands from march to august, some months (June) less than 5k.Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
My results for 55k hands during that time was :oops: +0.3 ptBB/100. At FREAKIN' 10nl!! Well, hell, at least it was positive. And there was rakeback/bonuses.
Then BJsaust (Ben) kicked me in the arse (details in this thread: What do when someone says you suck at poker). Best thing that happened to my poker game was getting called out, looking at my lifetime poker graphs (so I could post some sh!t about how I didn't really suck), and then realizing...my game has gone all to hell. I really do suck at poker.
But I started workin' hard and winnin'. And I'm within a month or so (if I can get some hands in) of moving up. That little heater yesterday has me up to 12 ptBB/100 over my last 15k, but I was hanging tough at 7 ptBB/100 before that, even after a couple k hands of being card dead and being dealt coolers. The heater more than the made up for it, but what I'm realizing is that 10nl ought to be pwn'd for 10+ ptBB/100 - if you're thinking and playing well. You've got bigtime leaks in your game if you play 80k hands of 10nl at 4 ptBB/100.
Ran a half marathon today. Well...shuffled, more like. Damn, I need to get fit. But I didn't stop to walk. Drove back home (2.5 hours) with the twins and my buddy from work who ran, too. Had to stop 4 times for bathroom breaks - jeez!! (4 yr olds)
Dunno if I'll play pokah tonight. That'll depend on whether or not I feel like I can play my A+ game. I'm off physically, for sure, but we'll see.
I'm getting better at playing medium/weak holdings passively, controlling the pot, and picking off river bluffs. The following hand was almost ridiculously simple for most of y'all, but it was a basic poker skill I was lacking. Villain was 22/1/2.6 with a 43% W$SD stat. Check behind to stay out of trouble, pick up an extra 5bb's when he bluffs so obviously at the river.
Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($13.05)
UTG ($8.49)
Hero (MP) ($17.99)
CO ($13.81)
Button ($1.48)
SB ($1.90)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
Jay4991 calls $0.10 (All-In), Hero raises to $0.45, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.45
Flop: ($1.15) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Jay4991 checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($1.15) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)
Jay4991 checks, Hero checks
River: ($1.15) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)
Jay4991 bets $0.50 (All-In), Hero calls $0.50
Total pot: $2.15 | Rake: $0.10
I used to blast away with a cbet. This villain would have laid it down on the flop had I cbet, so this line certainly out-performed my old line. I think that will be true for most reasonable aggressive villains. Gotta think about how to attack these type hands against more passive ones.
Decided to play. Got in an easy 450 hands, up 1.3 BI. I almost timed out on this, but villain was loose and aggressive preflop (didn't have 4bet, but he 3bet like 20% over 120 hands).
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($24.29)
UTG 1 ($9.65)
CO ($20.97)
BTN ($11.80)
Hero ($10.28)
BB ($12.29)
Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is SB :ad: :kc:
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, CO folds, BTN goes all-in $11.50, Hero goes all-in $9.18
Flop: :5h: :5s: :3c: ($22.28, 2 players)
Turn: :7c: ($22.28, 2 players)
River: :ac: ($22.28, 2 players)
Final Pot: $22.28
BTN shows: :kd: :jd:
Hero shows: :ad: :kc:
BTN wins $1.52 ( lost -$10.28 )
Hero wins $19.73 ( won $9.45 )
CO lost -$0.10
My only big loss was AQs where effective stacks (70bb's) were about the size of the pot, so I shoved on the turn w/ QT8x (2 of my suit). Checked later, had 43% equity against T8o (yes, i raised pre - lol).
I played fewer tables tonight (since I was beat up physically), but my mind seemed with it. I started with 3 - 4, then ramped up to 6, eased back down. Thought I played at least my A- game, possibly better. I'm about 12 BI's from a shot at 25nl. Woo-hoo!!
Another 600 hands, another +4 BI at 10nl. LoL, I'm 7 BI away from $800, when I will take a crack at 25nl. These donks seem like they're trying to move me up in 3 days or less :D
I was running well in the RakeTheRake 5k freeroll at Absolute until my 66 went up against J9s - and lost. I had the guy covered, but I was down to M = 3, so I got it all in (same guy) w/ A5 against 77. Bye, bye.
I'm starting to plan my assault on 25nl. I think the key is to play for a entire month (rakeback to rakeback) at breakeven or better. I've always failed to last until the rakeback helped even out the rough spots. Even if I only play a few k hands that month, I need to be playin' my A game every session. I think that if I do that, the rakeback will make me more than positive. Don't tilt and spew 3 BI a coupla times like before.
Just a month's worth of confidence at 25nl should do it, help turn things around. So I'm thinkin that if I start out with 32 BI, I should have plenty of roll to live through the rough patches, and I'll have time build my game and my confidence. I don't think I'm that far away from a winning game at 25nl, I just need patience and discipline.
Patience and discipline - that's the main reason I'm waiting until I have $800 (instead of the rather nitty $650 spoon suggests), just practice patience and discipline. If my game really is pwn'ing 10nl, I'll be there soon. Just a few k more hands of practice and confidence before I move up.
Got tilty at the end of today's 3rd session. It's Sunday night, and everyone's playing loose and crazy. I got a bit too loose and crazy myself. Stopped for a few. If I can't play better, I'm done for the night.
I'm up 4 BI over 1.2k hands today. Should be up about 5, tho, without a coupla bad calls. I thought I did well earlier today, cut back to 2 - 4 tables for most of the day since my mind was movin' a bit slooooooowwww. I crank up a coupla, see if I can play.
I'm 8 BI's from 25nl - weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :P
Finished up half a BI after 800 hands. I was up 2 BI after 200. I hit some massive coolers, but the reason I'm posting is that I didn't tilt. I played a couple hands where I got wobbly, but I sat out for a few minutes to get my head back in the game, then played well, imo.
I'm getting TONS better at reading myself, getting away from the computer when I'm too shot to play.
After the typical cooler/bad beats, nut flush vs. straight flush, underset, blah, blah, and after admitting I got dealt at least one cooler my way, I felt the session was solid. I kept playing well despite the rough patches. Only 8 BI left until 25nl.
Another 1k hands of 10nl, another 2.5 BI. I've got $750 rolled now. Depending upon how many hands I get in this week, and depending upon how I run, I might be taking a shot at 25nl by the weekend. I've played a good bit this month, so I have about $50 in rakeback for the month. That will provide a 2 BI boost about two weeks from now, so hopefully that will help even out the ups and downs.
Can't wait for tonight's session...still running at 9+ ptBB/100 for last 20k hands since Bjsaust's little "encouragement." Maybe it's not all positive variance. Maybe I'm learning to pwn this level. :mrgreen:
I am now rolled for 25nl!! Woo-hoo!! I will updating my progress here. I'm also working on my discipline. But life should be fun now that I'm really ready for moving up.
congrats robb. now steamroll 25nl ldo
nice workQuote:
Originally Posted by Robb
and this time you're playing smart.
Moving up again at br = ?? I recommend $2k.
1k hands at 25nl, I'm +EV, but down 2 BI. But I haven't played really solid. Here's 5e hands from ones I'm reviewing. Anyone's thoughts on any of them would be appreciated. Overall, I think I've played my A- game, at least, and quit when I wasn't able to instead of tilting and donking off a wad of cash.
Hand 1: villain is 35/4/1.9 over 600 hands. I completely misread the min-raise pre. On the turn, I've gotta realize I have NO fold equity.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($20.67)
UTG 1 ($31.26)
CO ($21.73)
Hero ($30.39)
SB ($9.50)
BB ($24.88)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN :ac: :ah:
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.85
Flop: :kh: :jc: :7h: ($2.55, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.05, CO calls $2.05
Turn: :tc: ($6.65, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $5.15, CO goes all-in $18.58, $13.43 to Hero ($22.09)?
Hand 2: Villain UTG is 56/1/3 over 90 hands. I tried to raise big enough to fold him out and isolate the LP shortie who's tilting - I want his stack. The hand turns backwards on me. I read villain for a draw, so I tried to get all the chips in on the flop. Gotta realize these preflop stations CAN'T be scared off a hand.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($10.50)
UTG 1 ($6.57)
CO ($5.00)
BTN ($12.45)
SB ($51.91)
Hero ($38.01)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB :9d: :9h:
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.25, UTG calls $4, CO folds
Flop: :th: :4c: :ah: ($9.70, 2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, UTG goes all-in $6.25
Turn: :5d: ($22.45, 2 players)
River: :8h: ($22.45, 2 players)
Final Pot: $22.45
Hero shows: :9d: :9h:
UTG shows: :kd: :tc:
Hand 3: BTN is 16/8/1.8 over 310 hands. This is a pretty obvious fold, given the flop. Gotta be able to get away from overs here, imo.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($2.93)
UTG 1 ($17.08)
Hero ($25.35)
BTN ($26.87)
SB ($4.50)
BB ($10.57)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO :kc: :ks:
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, BTN calls $1.10, 1 fold, BB calls $0.85, UTG calls $0.85
Flop: :3d: :8h: :4c: ($4.50, 4 players)
BB bets $1, UTG goes all-in $1.83, Hero raises to $5.50, BTN calls $5.50, BB folds
Turn: :9h: ($18.33, 3 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $18.33, $18.33 to Hero ($18.75)?
Hand 4: Villain in SB is 75/49/3 over 35 hands. I think we're both playing woeful cards, here. I went in the tank over this one, but I think we're ahead enough to call. In hindsight, tho', against a better villain we maybe need to just call the river, instead of raising, to avoid having to make a decision on an all-in with so many draws in that beat ours.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($10.05)
CO ($77.60)
BTN ($15.47)
SB ($40.38)
Hero ($24.90)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is BB :4h: :3s:
2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks
Flop: :9h: :2h: :8c: ($0.75, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: :5d: ($0.75, 3 players)
SB bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, BTN folds
River: :6s: ($2.25, 2 players)
SB bets $2.25, Hero raises to $10, SB raises to $32.25, $13.9 to Hero ($13.9)?
Hand 5: Same villain from last hand: 75/49/3 over 35 hands. Two hands afterward. I'm pretty proud of this one (he was tilting, playing very awkwardly, and there were timing tells/chat I won't go into - just show results so you can see I wasn't flippin' insane with my all-in shove.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($19.96)
CO ($9.48)
Hero ($27.46)
SB ($4.81)
BB ($79.40)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is BTN :as: :8s:
UTG raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.50
Flop: :5s: :5c: :2c: ($8.35, 2 players)
UTG bets $9.50, Hero goes all-in $23.46, UTG goes all-in $6.46
Turn: :3h: ($47.77, 2 players)
River: :4d: ($47.77, 2 players)
Final Pot: $47.77
UTG shows: :kd: :6s:
Hero shows: :as: :8s:
UTG wins $38.67 ( won $18.71 )
Hero wins $7.50 ( lost -$19.96 )
Hand 6: Another overpair in a 3bet pot. I've gotta be able to let these go. Villain is 24/1/1.1 over 60 hands. I know it's too few hands, but he was 70% W$wSF and 100% W$SD. After the turn, I'm behind every possible hand he can have except AK and AQs, neither of which this player is up to bluffing with, amiright?
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($8.30)
UTG 1 ($27.99)
CO ($50.89)
Hero ($21.65)
SB ($11.54)
BB ($46.69)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN :qc: :qs:
2 folds, CO raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.35, 2 folds, CO calls $2.35
Flop: :3s: :jh: :6d: ($7.05, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $5.02, CO raises to $20.79, $13.28 to Hero ($13.28)?
Up half a BI today in a short session during the kids' naptime (they aren't napping, so I quit playin' and they'll be up soon, it seems :). Here's more the play I'm talking about with overs.
Villain is 31/11/2 over 525 hands. I think I'm well ahead.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($9.05)
UTG 1 ($16.97)
CO ($17.90)
Hero ($27.44)
SB ($8.74)
BB ($20.33)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN :kc: :ks:
1 fold, UTG 1 raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, UTG 1 calls $1.40
Flop: :7s: :2c: :jh: ($4.85, 2 players)
UTG 1 bets $4.85, $4.85 to Hero ($25.19)?
Hand 1: A limp call from someone with a really wide gap between their PFR and VP$IP usually includes a lot of broadways and pocket pairs. You're getting something like 2:1 or slightly better on a call so you need more than 33% equity to call rah rah rah. To put things in perspective, you have 31.4% equity against a range of just {KJ, KT, 77}, so I think it's an easy call since his range is probably not quite that narrow.
Hand 2: The flop is pretty bad since you're never getting better to fold but you could induce worse to shove if you checked.
Hand 3: I think you need to decide on the flop if you're going to be cool with stacking off or not. If you're not then calling the flop for pot control is an option since you're obviously not folding the flop.
Hand 4: There are a lot of two pairs and sets out there that you beat so it's like insta-snapcall for me. For his line to be a straight I think he would usually have to have 76?
Hand 5: If you think he's folding enough preflop to make your 3-bet bluff profitable then it's fine, but otherwise I'd prefer to call pre and play heads up against an idiot in a high-spr situation.
Hand 6: Big overpairs in pots with SPRs < 3 are the nuts.
Hand 7: Same thing as hand 6.
Thanks, spoony!!
A "cut out and keep rule of thumb."Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Thanks w/ spr advice on overpairs. I feel like I stack off too easy, get too far ahead of myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
My 25nl play this weekend was Halloween appropriate - sweet at times, scary at others. In round terms, here's how it went.
Thursday: 1k hands, +2BI
Friday: 2k hands, - 3BI
Saturday (early): 1k hands, +1BI
Saturday (late): 2k hands, - 5BI !!!
Sunday: 1k hands, +1.5BI
Monday: 0.2k hands, +1BI
I'm not really tracking my bankroll right now. I feel like when I play my A game I'm winning. There's variance, and it's easy to get too results oriented. But it seems like I'm winning.
The late Saturday session was woeful. I had a maniac on my left (I know, LEAVE THE FREAKIN' TABLE, DUMBASS!!), and I dumped 3+ BI to him in like 20 hands. AK vs. K6 where we both made straights - his was 6-high, mine was 5-high. 74o against my A5s blind steal - he flopped trips, and turned the boat. I had TPNK and stacked off. I mean, seriously, he was playing 85/35/4 maniac, so I thought TPNK was the nuts. I had been looking for a place to make my stand. I think maybe next time I'll take a stand by standing up from the table and finding one where I'm on his left.
I got tilty, took a break, then played OK. But I got AA cracked and just quit. I wasn't spewing. But I wasn't playing with any confidence. Maybe playing my B+ game, but struggling to keep from mega-tilt.
Again, I'm still not really checking my bankroll status. I feel like just focusing on playing each hand well is the most vital thing right now. When I'm focused and feelin' confident, I seem to be playin' winning poker. And I have plenty of BI's behind me right now, so I'm not worried about that.
After analyzing my start through Saturday, I realized that I'm struggling with the higher levels of aggression at 25nl. There's more flop raises and check/raises, more preflop 3betting. I love using those tactics at 10nl because it generally folds out the competition. You can 3bet light and take it down on the flop with a cbet. Or you can raise well-chosen flop cbets and to profit against the serial cbot-types.
Now, maybe someone with more experience and confidence could profit at 25nl playing as aggressively as I do at 10nl. But I'm struggling. So let's think about it mathematically - strategically. If I want to keep my game aggressive but make life simpler, I can just tighten up my opening requirements. Instead of 22/16, I can play more like 19/15 or even tighter, perhaps (this is 6max, btw). That will bring the overall quality of my holdings up and make my aggression harder for opponents to deal with.
I also have made this a rule: before I act on the flop, think about ranges and decide whether I'm willing to felt it. If not, I have an exit strategy, whether it's bet/fold, or check/call then check/fold, etc. If I decide I am willing to felt it, I take the action that seems likely to maximize EV. Now, things can always happen on the turn that really stir up the ranges so that I'm thinking differently about the hand, but it helps to have some kind of plan for how much heat this holding can take.
One line that I've added for "can't stand much heat" hands is the "check-raise and then done" line. I'm in the process of thinking about how to add some monsters into that line's range and then expanding how often I use it to fight back with on medium-strength hands.
I know that folks like fnord would say to let them keep contributing chips if I'm ahead. That's true. But when I'm pretty sure that I'm ahead, the check-raise is a line that these villains seem to have trouble dealing with. By playing most medium-strength hands that way, it leaves my standard cbets pretty polarized with lots of good TPTK hands and better at the top along with premium hands that missed the flop but still have potential.
I know it's not perfect, but I think it's a c0herent "shift" in approach that will help me play comfortably and confidently at 25nl until things stabilize. Some of the "new level" learning is just a "language acquisition," learning what these players mean when they make various bets. Learning when to attack and when to fold. I think this approach will help me identify those spots, and then I can begin using a better overall postflop strategy.
P. S. I really enjoy how fast the rakeback and bonuses accumulate at 25nl. Woo-hoo!!
Well...I'm preparing for a HUGE pokah week. My wife took our 3 kids to visit her great aunt in TN, about 5 hours away, then to NC to see her brother. They'll be gone all week, and while I'll miss them A TON I get to play poker for hours every night this week. Hell...I'm thinking of blowing off work to go play right now :P
I've got some work stuff pretty late tonight, tho...probably buy some beer and play 2nl for an hour or two while I work some irritating kinks out of my HUD setup and tweak my postflop strategy to include less mindless cbetting, and more targeted check/raising. But it'll be fun.
I pretty much agree with Spoons thoughts.
One point is that you seem to be making your decisions at the wrong time. Take hand 4. Your decision isnt whether to call his 3-bet shove on the river, your decision is whether to raise him on the river. You've mentioned needing to bare in mind previous action, and thats true, but you also need to start considering possible future actions in your thought processes.
Hand 1 and 6 are good examples. If you're going to bet with your overpairs, you need to consider what happens if they call or raise before betting. Take this into consideration when sizing your bets as well. Say for instance in hand 1, you probably want to bet turn because of how drawy it is, but you're well aware he may have hit a straight or 2 pair now. You dont actually need to bet much to give him bad odds here. Something like $3.50 - $4 is fine if you just want him to make a mistake by calling with a draw or 1P, IF you think he only raises with 2P or better. That way you get away cheaper if he does raise you.
Also look at SPR. In hand 1 if he calls your raise its a $16 pot and he only has $12 behind, that makes his push less than a PSB. So now you've setup a situation where you need to call $13 into a $30 pot and you're not sure if you should call? If you dont think you're good more than 1:3 here, then you shouldnt be betting in the first place.
Just some stuff to think about.
Dont over react to the aggression. Its easy to think that slightly more aggression = a lot more aggression, just because you're not used to seeing it. People will float a little more, they'll 3-bet a bit more rather than just call from the blinds, but other than that you wont see a lot.
Main thing I noticed was the call flop, bet turn if you check line. Just balance things up by checking some TP type hands on turn and maybe c/r turn a bit with draws and nut hands if you notice someone doing it a fair bit. Main thing again though, is dont overadjust.
This...
Wasn't stated as well as this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Would someone point me to the SPR posts/threads/books/articles. It's a major area of weakness in my theoretical knowledge - but I can't find a good summary of the key points. Everyone seems to know about it but me. I would love to see an SPR key points thread in the BC. As a matter of fact, I think I'll suggest it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
It's discussed in Pro NL HEQuote:
Originally Posted by Robb
It's Stack to pot ratio. Basically, if it's 4 then post flop you can expect a bet and a raise will get it all-in. 1SPR means one bet is all-in, 10SPR requires 3 bets or raises.
see flop, pot is 1
bet/call (you put in 1)
pot is 3
bet/call (you put in 3)
pot is 9
(you put in last 6)
Thanks swiggidy and others. I'll look up Pro NL HE.Quote:
Originally Posted by swiggidy
I know what spr basically is, but I see guys like Sarbox saying "AK likes an SPR of ___ to ____ postflop so I'm 3betting x", and spoon saying "premium pp's are the nuts postflop with SPR < 3, and fnord saying "think about spr" in every third BC thread. I've thought and tried to follow, but optimizing my play for spr is not something I've grasped at all, yet. I'd like to get a real handle on it. If I see someone's basic description and do a bit of work, I think I'll be able to generalize/apply to my game pretty quickly.
Yeah, it's covered in the book a lot. It's kind of a way to play ahead, and merges pre-flop thinking with how you're going to play post-flop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
So the <3 thing is just saying, if you get to a Q27 flop, or even 678 with KK. There is $10 in the pot and you have $30 behind you're not folding (unless you have an uber nit read).
Laregly you're looking at your PF hand and thinking what its most likely to hit, and what SPR you'd be happy with that hand.
So for instance AK whilst a good hand, is most likely to hit TPTK on the flop. If we have an SPR of say 10 ($9 pot with $90 behind) we're probably not very happy about getting our stack in. If on the other hand we have an SPR of 4 ($22 pot with $88 behind) we start to feel better about it. To put that into practise, say we have AK in BB and theres a $3 bet from btn and SB calls, with $100 effective stacks. If we call we have $9 pot and $97 behind. On the other hand, if we raise to $14 and get one caller, we now have $31 pot and $86 behind. If we flop TPTK in the first example and hit TPTK we're not happy about stacking off, if we hit TPTK in the second example we're wrapped about stacking off.
Just bought pro nlhe at amazon ($17) - expedited shipping was nearly half that :lol: So for a single 25nl BI, I have the manual on the way. I wasn't really planning on spewing $$ into amazon.com today, but the second sub-heading under the SPR Intro was this:
A Hand without a Plan
I'm like, they wrote a book for me! :oops: Unfortunately, it's true. I feel fnord has it right when he calls 10nl and lower "two street bingo." At 10nl, once they call/raise the flop, all the chips are VERY likely to end up in the middle. At 25nl, there's more to it. Fewer 40bb stacks, more deep-stacked players willing to float the flop, aggress the turn.
As has been pointed out, I don't plan well for the big late decisions with quality preflop/flop betting and bet-sizing. This is aggravated by my obsession with playing too many tables for my mental bandwidth. On the flop, I need to take my time, watch the stacks, think about ranges and make an astute bet.
I can fix the too-many-tables-at-once thing with discipline. I can fix the playing-when-tired thing. I'm counting on the book to help with have-plans-for-hands thing. Table of contents seemed to be pretty math-based theory, which I'll like and want to apply right away. Wish I had this book a while ago...
A discipline post.
I play too many (6max) tables at once. But I'm better. I think 3 - 5 is about right for me at 25nl, more if they're all "slow" tables. I can play 6 slow ones if I'm really switched on and thinking well. Anytime, 7+ is spew.
Patience, grasshopper. I know that it's more important to log 10k high-quality hands in the next 3 months than it is to log 10k hands in the next 3 days. If I'm playing well, the hands will come and the monies, too.
About not playing tired. Got home last night after a brutal day at work - didn't eat all day 'til 8 PM. Grabbed some food, a beer and a shower. (Fam's out of town - not my normal routine.) I walked to the computer knowing 25nl wasn't even a bad idea - it would have been a horrible one. So I cranked up some 10nl tables...
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and then shut them all down. Not even worth it. Sure, I can play my B game at 10nl and still win a bit, but why spew at 10nl with my C- game?
I have NOT been finishing each session with hand reviews. I started waiting for 2 - 3 sessions (since several in a row were only 200 hands). Then 4 sessions...gotta stop that. If it's a short session, then reviewing 3 - 5 HH's won't take long. I think the key is quit sooner while I still have one or two working brain cells to think about what mistakes I made.
Waiting to study HH's is silly, imo. I need to reinforce whatever I can learn right away, while the thoughts about the individual hands are still somewhat clearly remembered. Then I can match the lesson with the mistake that caused it: too many tables causing too little time to think, bad bet-sizing due to a distraction I could have avoided, whatever.
There. I'm playing the best poker of my life which is a low bar to clear. But baby steps will eventually get me there.
People dont seem to get it. I think its an ego thing. Micro stakes is for learning to play poker. You dont learn playing 8+ tables at a time. Get to 100nl and then worry about maximising earn per hour or whatever. Play enough tables that you can still think and make proper decisions. If you're into robot mode, you're not thinking.
Heck, my best $/hr has come 2-tabling. People way underestimate the value of proper reads v's stats. I was thinking about this just last night. Theres a big difference between '80% c-bet' and 'cbets almost all the time, but less than half pot if he misses, 2/3 pot with TP and full pot with better than TP' type reads. Stats dont give you that kind of info, you need to be able to pay attention.
PNLHE is good, but just be wary of getting too passive because of it. You're still playing micros, people still stack off too light, people do chase draws with bad odds (resulting in big pots), stuff like that. Its a tool, not the be all and end all of poker strategy. That said, you should enjoy it and have some eye opening moments reading it, along with a few "slap your forehead and say 'wtf, I should have known that already'" moments.
I played 4 - 5 tables to start, then dropped back to 3. Played just over 1k hands and +3BI. Lesson learned? Probably not forever, but getting closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Got QQ 4 times, a couple KK's and JJ's, all of which hit as overpairs in fairly big pots. I feel like I played them much better, thinking about SPR and ranges and planning my bets well in advance of the flop action (starting the calculations as the preflop action was winding down since I wasn't massively multitabling). :PQuote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
I stacked off with QQ when I raised 4.5bb's behind a limper (about 90bb's) and got the limper to call. Board came 854J rainbow. Cbet check/called, turn bet raised all-in. I called (of course thinking set or 76s). He showed down 76o. Type note. Reload. Didn't think villain's range was all that narrow given his Laggy play over last hour, so meh, not so bad there I think. The others held up and made some monies. I know it's results-oriented, but I feel like I played them well. At least I had a plan.
I've gotten tons better at note-taking. I am in the process of taking notes about 75% of the time I'm playing, typing a few words and checking the HH's while playing the next few hands. I am finding that recording the entire action/position/stacks is helpful when I have to play a big pot. Knowing what he's capable of in a blind vs. blind battle can be really useful info, even on other hands 'cuz it corrects a small sample stat in the HUD.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Yeah, I'll probably totally overuse SPR theory for 5k hands until I kinda get it, then balance things out again. I tend to obsess. But I'll learn it, then try to apply it correctly. And anything that gets me planning out hands better is ++++++EV. Even just thinking about it (not really understanding it) last night help me form a plan for how much to bet and raise, and when to just check to keep the pot odds favorable.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
Tuesday AM (after running): 0.2k hands, +0.1BI (rivered, EV was +2BI)Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Tuesday PM: off (discipline - don't play tired/stressed)
Wednesday: 1k hands, +3BI
So I'm about break-even with 25nl right now I guess. But I'm not intimidated any more. I'm planning hands, getting the chips in way ahead a lot more than way behind. Making reasonable Hero calls, rarely spewing. If I would have just avoided the tilt-spew Saturday by avoiding the maniac on my left (and getting sucked out on twice - then tilting), I'd be up.
Wow - it's amazing how long it takes to win back the monies from two lousy sessions. Spewed 5BI total (3.5 to maniac - see above - then tilted), then I played another 500 hands wobbly, trying to recover. Since, I feel like I've played solid. Just the right number of tables, reviewing HH's after EVERY session, quit when tired, skip a night when needed, avoid Hero calls, well-timed aggression, plans for hands.
So I dump 7 BI in 1k hands, then play pretty good and get some good poker variance all the while needing 3k hands to win it all back. Why didn't I just quit at the first sign of wobbly play? or when I realized I had a maniac in the seat to my left? :shock:
Last night was +3 BI, this morning was +1.5 BI. About 1k hands total. This time I got to the left of a 50/10/5 player deep-stacked on two tables. Took good notes on his play. Grabbed some nice pots with little risk.
Now I'm positive for the month, positive for this shot at 25nl (after the Halloween nightmare), and have 2.5 BI of rakeback headed for my accounts in the next week (won at $60 of rake from 10nl last month).
Win rate for last 3k hands is 12+ ptBB/100, so I know I'm running hot. Still, I'm also playing winning poker. I'm sure variance will even out.
We bad players tend to think of any stretch of 10k hands where we won big as "I'm playing like freakin' Doyle Brunson!!" Then, we lose, it's a focus on 5 big pots where we got it in good and variance happened.
I need to evaluate my game in terms of real quality of decision-making. Yeah, I hit 3 sets last night, and got 2 paid off. I played them well, but fido could have played them just fine, so wtf? I had some coolers and suckouts when I was tilting that made my tilt worse. But I was playing timid, sucky poker.
I'm gaining confidence. It was soooooo cool to have $600 behind even after spewing nearly $200 like a donkey in two days. For me the bankroll isn't about risk of ruin, it's about how many BI I need to just forget the monies and play the game.
This may be LoL for others reading this, I had TT overpair and a villain read that his all-in donk on the flop was light - probably half FD/OESD and half worse. I folded. At 10nl with the same read, I snap it off. At 25nl...just not quite there, yet. I know it's a weak-tight leak, but I think passing the 1k mark in BR will do a lot for my confidence when the whole stack's on the line.
Life good. Poker life good. It's all good.
Won almost 3 BI yesterday, half AM half PM. After a nap, I had about an hour until fam got home, was up to 6 tables, but slowly backed it off as I got tired. Got everyone in bed, then played another hour, mostly 3 tabling and in IRC. I like it IRC a good bit as you can ask opinions on tricky situations right away with your HUD stats up and a good memory for what the players have been doing the last few orbits.
Discipline good. Got tired, played two wobbly hands and shut it down. Still reviewed all my HH's this morning, before playing a money session.
I had a shock - I couldn't do the math on my bankroll. The numbers were too high. :P
I shouldn't type this, 'cuz it'll jinx me, but this game/level isn't that hard. The players are more frisky, sure, but they're not great. I never found a 10nl villain playing well enough to worry about. At 25nl in 8k hands, I've only found 2 I've noted as good.
I think it's sad that I used to believe "these guys at the nosebleeds don't understand the micros since UIEGA." Heck, the only reason we have don't dozens of examples of FTR regs pwn'ing 10nl for 12+ win rates over 40k samples is because, if you're winning that much, you have enough roll to move up. If you're winning that much, you'll be fine at 25nl.
I think I've gotta remember we micros grinders have HUGE holes in our games that are only hard to recognize because they're not getting exploited. As I move up, the players as a group are good enough to expose some more leaks. So you fix 'em, adjust and move on up the learning curve.
I'm also proud that my preflop stats are 19/15 at 25nl. I made a conscious decision to tighten up a bit after my two horrible. Not a major deal, but just enough to stay out of some trouble spots while I'm adjusting to postflop here. I was running at 22/16 my last 20k at 10nl, so I'm just stealing a bit less (mostly from the CO) and checking stacks and stats carefully before I try it. I'm still stealing 29%, so it's fine.
I also experienced some negative variance. Got AA overpair in as 4 to 1 favorite on the turn. Reload, make note. Grind on. Finish session up 1.5 BI over 800 hands. I know the variance will swing against me, but I also feel like my game is good enough to handle it right now.
I made a new filter to work on cbetting in difficult spots. Starting to check a few hands more trying to plug more leaks. I'm not spewing in big pots any more, so it's time to find other areas where I can play better. I think that at 10nl I played each street like it's own game. I need to connect everything, play preflop in ways that setss up good strategic play postflop with a plan for all 3 streets before cbetting/value betting.
Life good. Poker life good. It's all good.
Won almost 3 BI yesterday, half AM half PM. After a nap, I had about an hour until fam got home, was up to 6 tables, but slowly backed it off as I got tired. Got everyone in bed, then played another hour, mostly 3 tabling and in IRC. I like it IRC a good bit as you can ask opinions on tricky situations right away with your HUD stats up and a good memory for what the players have been doing the last few orbits.
Discipline good. Got tired, played two wobbly hands and shut it down. Still reviewed all my HH's this morning, before playing a money session.
I had a shock - I couldn't do the math on my bankroll. The numbers were too high. :P
I shouldn't type this, 'cuz it'll jinx me, but this game/level isn't that hard. The players are more frisky, sure, but they're not great. I never found a 10nl villain playing well enough to worry about. At 25nl in 8k hands, I've only found 2 I've noted as good.
I think it's sad that I used to believe "these guys at the nosebleeds don't understand the micros since UIEGA." Heck, the only reason we have don't dozens of examples of FTR regs pwn'ing 10nl for 12+ win rates over 40k samples is because, if you're winning that much, you have enough roll to move up. If you're winning that much, you'll be fine at 25nl.
I think I've gotta remember we micros grinders have HUGE holes in our games that are only hard to recognize because they're not getting exploited. As I move up, the players as a group are good enough to expose some more leaks. So you fix 'em, adjust and move on up the learning curve.
I'm also proud that my preflop stats are 19/15 at 25nl. I made a conscious decision to tighten up a bit after my two horrible. Not a major deal, but just enough to stay out of some trouble spots while I'm adjusting to postflop here. I was running at 22/16 my last 20k at 10nl, so I'm just stealing a bit less (mostly from the CO) and checking stacks and stats carefully before I try it. I'm still stealing 29%, so it's fine.
I also experienced some negative variance. Got AA overpair in as 4 to 1 favorite on the turn. Reload, make note. Grind on. Finish session up 1.5 BI over 800 hands. I know the variance will swing against me, but I also feel like my game is good enough to handle it right now.
I made a new filter to work on cbetting in difficult spots. Starting to check a few hands more trying to plug more leaks. I'm not spewing in big pots any more, so it's time to find other areas where I can play better. I think that at 10nl I played each street like it's own game. I need to connect everything, play preflop in ways that setss up good strategic play postflop with a plan for all 3 streets before cbetting/value betting.
Life good. Poker life good. It's all good.
Won almost 3 BI yesterday, half AM half PM. After a nap, I had about an hour until fam got home, was up to 6 tables, but slowly backed it off as I got tired. Got everyone in bed, then played another hour, mostly 3 tabling and in IRC. I like it IRC a good bit as you can ask opinions on tricky situations right away with your HUD stats up and a good memory for what the players have been doing the last few orbits.
Discipline good. Got tired, played two wobbly hands and shut it down. Still reviewed all my HH's this morning, before playing a money session.
I had a shock - I couldn't do the math on my bankroll. The numbers were too high. :P
I shouldn't type this, 'cuz it'll jinx me, but this game/level isn't that hard. The players are more frisky, sure, but they're not great. I never found a 10nl villain playing well enough to worry about. At 25nl in 8k hands, I've only found 2 I've noted as good.
I think it's sad that I used to believe "these guys at the nosebleeds don't understand the micros since UIEGA." Heck, the only reason we have don't dozens of examples of FTR regs pwn'ing 10nl for 12+ win rates over 40k samples is because, if you're winning that much, you have enough roll to move up. If you're winning that much, you'll be fine at 25nl.
I think I've gotta remember we micros grinders have HUGE holes in our games that are only hard to recognize because they're not getting exploited. As I move up, the players as a group are good enough to expose some more leaks. So you fix 'em, adjust and move on up the learning curve.
I'm also proud that my preflop stats are 19/15 at 25nl. I made a conscious decision to tighten up a bit after my two horrible. Not a major deal, but just enough to stay out of some trouble spots while I'm adjusting to postflop here. I was running at 22/16 my last 20k at 10nl, so I'm just stealing a bit less (mostly from the CO) and checking stacks and stats carefully before I try it. I'm still stealing 29%, so it's fine.
I also experienced some negative variance. Got AA overpair in as 4 to 1 favorite on the turn. Reload, make note. Grind on. Finish session up 1.5 BI over 800 hands. I know the variance will swing against me, but I also feel like my game is good enough to handle it right now.
I made a new filter to work on cbetting in difficult spots. Starting to check a few hands more trying to plug more leaks. I'm not spewing in big pots any more, so it's time to find other areas where I can play better. I think that at 10nl I played each street like it's own game. I need to connect everything, play preflop in ways that setss up good strategic play postflop with a plan for all 3 streets before cbetting/value betting.
Fun morning. Played 10nl for fun while listening to the Arsenal vs. Man Utd game and watching the kids run around the house. Up a BI there. Played during nap time 25nl, down a bit. About even for the day. Didn't play great, maybe B+. I picked up JJ behind a guy who was 70/50 over 20 hands. He limp/3bets, I call, and the flop's Txx. Flop, I bet the pot showing "strength." Didn't need to, especially not if I wanted to be able to get away from it. He overshoved, I called. He's got AA. I quit after that. I'll make a note when I review HH's tonight.
I thought I got a good bit of sleep last night, but I'm still tired from a rough week. Maybe some 10nl later today to enjoy poker. But I need some energy to play 25nl well.
It's sad that FTR is so dead on the weekends. I guess you young guys have lives and shit. My extra time to work on poker is while you guys are sleeping off hangovers.
Played like CRAP Sunday, down 2 BI dammit. And they were seriously throwin' money away. Too bad I joined in with the FEEEEESH instead of taking some free monies.
Tonight I'll play better. At least last night I quit pretty quick.
Sunday I sucked. So I took Monday off. Played last night and was up almost 2 BI. I blew through that this morning when I couldn't sleep, dumped 2 BI's in my first 10 hands.
I 3 bet PFR + caller w/ AA, PFR ditched and caller...called. I'm thinking set/overs (TT was my best guess) on a 789 rainbow flop. We get it all in, and he shows down 65o. I really didn't have that in his big 3bet flatting range, so meh. His line certainly showed strength, but I don't see I how get away from it.
Then I 3bet JJ on the button, get a caller and 2235 board. We get it all in on the turn (bet, raises, rr, rrai). River's an Ace. He shows 44.
So I'm down 2 BI's but don't really think I've played badly. I keep grinding and get half a BI back.
I'm still positive for this shot at 25nl, and I've played well at 85% of the sessions/hands. So I'm pretty happy.
Even after my first 10 hands of the day cost me 2 BI, I played tonight for a few hundred hands, and I'm up about 1/2 a BI total. I was only down 1.25 BI's after playing pretty well this morning, so variance w/e.
I'm noticing that I'm adjusting to the money difference. Now, when I make a $10 mistake, I treat it like a 40bb mistake instead of a stack-size mistake. It still needs to be fixed, I just don't freak out. And I don't fear making a mistake for $10 during a hand. If my read's off, meh, I tried. If I'm wrong for 40bb's, so what? Learn and move on. So I'm not playing weak-tight.
I'm $40 away from 1k in bankroll, which would be an all-time high. :cool:
GL hitting the 1k, its an awesome feeling :).
AA hand is tough. Hard not to be results oriented on that one. Nice on the money thing (in terms of BBs). Makes it easyier to play good poker when that clicks.
GOGOGOGOGO! The first 1k is always the hardest, the next will come much easier ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Thanks, guys. I realized on the way to work this morning that I will get rakeback of $60 sometime in the next week. So just not sucking and I'll see the 1k in a few days.
I'm at $1k in bankroll after last night. Here's some stats and graphs. Total progress since BJaust spanked me publicly for sucking a poker:
http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08464/25nlnov08583.jpg.xs.jpg
Here's position stats (25nl only):
http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08464/pos25nl254.jpg.xs.jpg
And here's a graph. Orange circle is where maniac on my left stacked me twice and I tilt-spewed another 3 BI. It's also where I reassessed and tightened up slightly. Blue circle was adjustment - I don't think I was playing well, but I only had one really spewy session. Since things "clicked," it's been pretty steady upward progress.
http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08464/25nlgraph218.jpg.xs.jpg
Can the red line be positive? Mine's close to break-even where I'm winning, but it was always negative at 10nl.
Just placed 2nd in a 500 player $2.20 rebuy tourney, and cashed $622. I signed up for it using UB pts. Current BR is $1780. Got JJ all-in on 97x flop, dude has set of 7's, turn a J, I'm chip leader pretty quickly thereafter and stay there for 4 hours. Make the final table in 2nd place, play pretty decent though card dead much of last 3 hours. Get 99 and stack both shorties w/ 7 left, played okay until HU. Lost a 10x chip lead letting him double through twice when I got him all-in and was ahead or coin flip. But $600 is a big addition to my BR, so now I've got plans to make.
Plan
1. 3 months of GrinderSchool, full subscription ($35).
2. Withdraw $1200 from UB, leaving $500 BR + rakeback of $60 to grind 25nl until other sites set up.
3. Deposit $600 on Full Tilt to get 1st time deposit bonus.
4. Deposit $100 on Stats to get $50 bonus and have 5nl / 10nl roll there.
5. Put $500 into family budget, almost completely repaying all poker related expenses including software, books and buyins. And giving some to wife to make her happy about pokah!!
6. When FT/stars $$ ready, cash another $500 from UB and bonus whore at other sites/put on stars w/e.
That will leave $1200 in Bankroll, plus bonuses to grind. And about 25k of 25nl at UB behind me for my shot at "real" sites.
Any thoughts on the future much appreciated. Like...
1. How long it will take to clear $600 at Full Tilt grinding 25nl.
2. Should I start at 10nl at FT for a few k hands to get the roll warmed up?
3. How tough are they at FT? Should it be same as UB? Or is UB fishy by comparison?
4. What sites a U.S. player can bonus whore at profitably. Bodog? Doyle's Room?
Aight.
GrinderSchool, check.
$1200 on the way to me, check.
FullTilt set up, check (rakeback pending).
Wife was happy, check.
Then I dumped a BI at 25nl playing like a donkey. :oops:
Current plan is 25nl at UB until monies moved to FT/Stars, then grind at 25nl on FT and 5nl on Stars for kicks. Will allow me to join in on FTR tourneys, etc. Stop-loss move down to 10nl at UB if < 300.
some feedback on stats and graphs...
BB/100 = great although you ran kinda hot at $10, but who cares!
The rest of the stats look good - hard to really comment as there are so many varieties of winning game. While you're winning at a good rate you shouldn't look too hard at things (not broke, don't fix etc...). But anyway:
VPIP-PFR look good
3-bet - looks a little high to me (full ring - tinted glasses tho)
cold-calling looks like the right pairs etc.
The rest good too
Position stats.
* Seems as though you may be completing/limping/cold calling from the sb too much?
* big blind - check your play of low-mid pocket pairs against steals - set odds are worse cos stealer's range is weaker and less likely to pay out
* early and middle I like
* co you could probably open wider and both cold-call & 3-bet a little more? button you could maybe narrow your range slightly.
I suggest checking your results in pots you;ve 3-bet by position.
as for the lines, don't stress the non-showdown winnings. Worry about the green line - and there's nothing to worry about there!!! A big recent leak of players seems to be trying to bring the non-showdown line to breakeven (thanks 2+2!!!) - which means loads of bluffing into rivers when checked to = very exploitable.
edit - also read the discussion after the posted stats here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...61674-420.html
very nice!!!!! bankroll high of 1k a day or two ago and now almost doubled!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
1 = goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Robb
2 = good
3 = good, make sure you sign up with rakeback
4 = check for expiry time on the stars bonus
5 = cool!!!!!
6 = think about it later, and i suggest only working one bonus/site at a time.
1) full tilt bonus clear rate - it's x points /dollar, and you receive a point for each dollar taken in rake from the table. Use the rake/hand stats from UB and it's likely similar at FT - the maths shouldn't be too hard. I can tell you for Full Ring, but I'm not sure they're the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Robb
2) play 10nl until you get used to the interface, until you have your HUD set up, until you're certain that there's nothing detracting from your a-game. You can determine when that is.
3) dunno
4) wait a while and ask this again - things may change over the next month or so...
Do NOT play 10nl at FTP - I think the rake there is exactly double the rake at PokerStars (10%). 25nl should be fine. Due to the rate you earn FTPs you probably clear the $600 bonus in about 60k hands at 25nl. Someone said 30k hands at 50nl. Both are guesstimates but should be right ballpark.
Only make deposits to be working on one bonus at a time imo - all bonuses are timed and it'd be annoying to work on several bonuses and have one or more of them time out because you were working on a different one.
Thanks!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Erpel
Down a BI overall at 25nl on Sunday, and didn't play well. Probably B+ overall, but a few really poor hands cost me. Although, winning the equivalent of 25 BI in a MTT took the sting out of playing bad.
Took last night off, woke up early and played this morning. Up a BI.
Full Tilt rakeback is in question (of course). I was planning a move a year ago, set up an account. Can't get rakeback, now, blah, blah. Interesting thing though when I complained is that they're testing a way to get unaffiliated players eligible for rakeback. I think they're setting up their own internal rakeback program. They said they are testing the program and have my name on an internal list of folks who are likely to be eligible soon. Interesting, given how often I've heard folks talk about wanting to play FT but not because they can't get rakeback.
They gave u the std line of bullshit btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Thanks, helps to know it up front. I just don't get why Full Tilt are such dickheads about rakeback. I guess they got 2nd biggest in the world doing something right, but I'm not hanging out there one second past my sign-on bonus clearing, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bbickes
So...off to find another site. Probably land at Cake, then. Anyone there and eligible for the friend-to-friend $100 referral bonus if I sign up? PM me. I'll probably play FT for a couple months, clear the bonus, then move there. Probably pick up small bonuses later at PokerNordica/Carbon.
I'd have waited longer for FT. Their bonus is pretty rough to clear.
Nice going man, keep it up! More comments later.
I haven't deposited on FT, yet. I don't trust UB with my financial details, so I chose for them to send me a check to the house via FedEx. I will load up another site/bonus the end of this week when it arrives. I could go get $500 at Cake, play there until I'm ready for FT and 50nl.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjsaust
just to let you know, you can't use a hud on cake. and the minimum amount to be sent via check is $500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Fun weekend. Yesterday, I ground out 2k hands, + 1 BI. Today, I just played twice for a few minutes during breaks, up 4 BI in just more than 500 hands.
I had a great 45 minute session just now. An agro multitabler was at 3 tables, across from me, and on my left and right. So we had "even" position across the tables. Turns out this guy is reasonably TAG (25/18) but his 3bet% ~ 20. I get 3bet about 4 straight times I'm PFR and fold. I consider leaving the table where he's on my left. But I'm getting confident at 25nl and decide to take notes of every hand he plays so I can play back at him.
I pick up AK and 4bet his 3bet. I pick up A6 and limp/rr his auto-rase otb - take down a 50bb pot w/ a cbet (I had air). Pick up AQs and 4bet him, get called, cbet air, then catch a Q on the turn. Fire all-in, he folds. Now he knows I'm playing back and starts 4betting me, I pick up QQ and 5-bet him all-in. He lays it down despite having committed over 55bb's to the pot. I don't pick up much to play with for a while. And we cool it. But I picked up tons of his chips. So it's fun - I'm learning to make adjustments, trusting my reads and firing in the chips, ready to get 'em all in the middle.
Oh, yeah, and my $600 initial deposit is on Full Tilt now. So I'm finally bonus whoring. About 3 years too late for a U. S. player, but I'll pick up some bonuses while I'm grinding up to 100nl and getting ready for Stars. I'll spend some time at 5nl or 10nl, getting the HUD/skin setup tonight. Then I'll start grinding. Should be interesting.
For the month, I'm right at 20k hands and 6 ptBB/100 win rate. It's to the point where I've won so much it's hard keeping track in my head.
UB: $625
FT: $600 (+ bonus)
Stars: $4 (lol)
Family Checking Account: $500
Robb's Poker Checking Account: $100
Another $150ish and I'll pass the $2k lifetime winnings mark. I started with my "last" $100 deposit last October. So this feels pretty cool.
Sorry for the brag post. Just trying to get my mind around life as a solidly winning poker player.
Congrats, Rob!
I am glad you made good adjustments. In your AQs hand, I'm wondering if maybe we could c/c turn to induce a bunch of crap to push instead of pushing ourselves since he's likely to shove floats/second pairish hands/random shit/etc.?
edit: obv. stack to pot ratio is certainly really small and it shouldn't matter but at the lower stakes it seems as if we still can make them fold even after they commit a lot of their stack in (esp. in your case as you mentioned a key example with this specific player) so it seems like we can kind of let them bluff/"value" bet into us with their whole stack a lot more.
That's a good thought. I really thought he'd call. I almost fell off my chair when he folded it. I was certain I was ahead, so yeah, maybe let him just do his agro-thing with JJ or TT. Thanks!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kmind
very nice!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
and what is your personal op thread if not a spot for bragging as appropriate - it sure makes for better reading than people whining about badbeats :)
Full Tilt life is good. I'm down a couple of BI total, but I cleared $20. :D
I worked on a couple of strategies for bonus clearing, playing 1k hands just to see how many FPP's I could earn.
1. 12 tables of 25nl FR, nitting it up.
2. 8 tables of 50nl FR w/ 60bb BI.
If I need to, I can clear the bonus either of those two ways in a few weeks. So I went back to my main game, 25nl 6m, 4 tabling and then 5 tabling. I have no HH's on anyone, so I'm learning to play fewer tables and take furious notes on everyone. I'm getting more comfortable. FT isn't as hard as I thought it would be. It's not hard to find good games and fishy villains, imo.
Latest adjustment is to play for an 80bb BI. Since my reads aren't as solid, the smaller SPR's are better for TPTK type hands. Fewer trouble spots. I'm also ditching tables if I chip up past 150 bb's. I dislike playing huge pots without good reads.
I was up 4 BI earlier in the day, then went a downer. Typical. AQ < AT. he was laggy. I knew on the AT9 flop both AT and A9 were in his range, but I lot of other hands were, too. Then AA < JT. He called a 3bet cold, PFR folded, flop is JTx. He went busto a few rounds later, but it wasn't me who got his stack. Then I went through a stretch were I couldn't connect with a flop. So now I'm +1.5 BI. Hoping to play another 1k hands tonight.
Up 4 BI at 25nl 6m today. My all-in EV is $100 more than that. I'm running at 3 ptBB/100 over just less than 4k hands.
I'm break even over 1k hands at 50nl FR (60bb stack) and down 4 BI at 25nl FR. I'm a few bucks down total at FT, but I'm building some HH's and generally enjoying life. I can read this game without massive HUD stats on half the table, but I'm only playing 5 tables so I can really watch. It's good for my game, taking lots of notes and trying to infer possible actions from limited data. If I'm gonna clear this bonus, I'll need to add another coupla tables though, or play some 50nl.
I guess I'm happy. I'm +EV at 25nl 6m at FT. And getting more so.
Happy Thanksgiving.
you can get hand histories on FT without having to be playing - just signed into your account, getting loads of data - even when you're 5-tabling you should have 16 open and loading into HEM....Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Oh, REALLLLLY. We'll fix that bitch right up. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
Thanks! :D
Up and down weekend. Up 7 BI yesterday after being down 4 BI Saturday, some variance, but probably 3 BI of total spew.I do it less, but I still tend to tilt-spew when I'm running bad.
What Mike Caro says is seriously true: you've gotta play your best poker EVERY HAND. If you do, you'll be fine long term. If I had just played well through the bad stretches Saturday, limited my losses to a couple BI, I'd be up well over a hundred bucks even though the deck wasn't kind (Saturday). Sunday was positive variance, somewhat, but I play well when I'm running hot ldo. I got AQ 2 pair all-in against a KT who flopped a straight - caught a Q for the boat on the river.
My current goal is to finish clearing my FT bonus with at least $1,500. That's only wins of 12 BI with $600 bonus. I think it's doable. And with another $500 from UB once my rakeback hits, I could move to another site - maybe stars, maybe more bonus whoring. I'm hoping for a shot at 50nl by Christmas. With $700 plus my FT roll, I could legitimately take a shot with $1,300. Nice goal to have finally.
Quick update. I'm grinding my $600 signup bonus at Full Tilt, mixing it up between 25nl 6m (my best game on other sites) and 50nl FR with a 60bb BI. I'm running 6 ptBB/100 at FR over 8k hands, so I'm probably gonna just grind away at 50nl. I've basically got $1k at FT right now w/ $240 in bonus cleared. I'm on target for my goal of quitting FT w/ $1.5k.
I'm torn between learning more about poker and making money. I'm not learning much ss'ing at 50nl except that I can adjust my game. I'm not hit-and-running any more, so I'm getting into some interesting spots w/ 100bb+ stacks, but generally where I have pretty good reads on half the table.
I would probably learn more about playing the TAGGfish full-stacked at 6m 25nl, but it's high variance and doesn't clear the bonus very fast. I think the ss'ing is going to be good if I wanna grind bonuses at sites like Cake where the HUD's don't work or at sites like Bodog where you can only play 4 tables max and what to play higher stakes to clear the bonus. But I'm looking forward to bonus whoring. I think I can generate a nice $4k roll and move to Stars by mid-Spring, always dependent on how many hands I can get in.
I will make this promise to myself, though. If I get to 100nl, I'm going to work on both FR and 6m until I think I have a decent all-around game.
Right now, it's nice to be able to say I'm winning at both 25nl and 50nl. Feels like upward mobility, amiright?
Why not do both? You could grind out FR w/ 60BBs to speed up the bonus clearing whilst keeping your 100BB brain sharp on the 6max tables from time to time? Or alternatively just play a shitload of hands at FR w 60BB till your roll hits $1250 then start buying in full? I imagine if you're playing a lot of tables your bonus clearing rate must be upwards of $10 an hour, probably more?
Also, with all the theory posts and whatnot that you make, I'm guessing you do plenty of learning away from the tables anyways so it's not like you're letting your poker mind go to waste :)
Yeah, I think you're right. It would be good if I had another $200 or so to withdraw from UB/Absolute to start a bonus whoring project at Carbon, so maybe I'll get HEM 1.07 set up and working on UB and grind some 25nl over there. Maybe go grind there a couple of nights per week.Quote:
Originally Posted by kettleofish
Yeah, I'm clearing about $20 of bonus per night, and my sessions tend to be 1.5 to 2 hours, when I play, which is 3 to 4 night per week.
Last night, 1.2k hands, +3.5 BI at 50nl FR
Tonight, 1k hands, +2 BI at 50nl FR
Current FT roll: about $1,280.
$600 initial deposit
$280 bonus cleared
$400 profit ($550 at 50nl FR only, -$125 at 25nl 6m, -$25 at 10nl various)
So I'm on pace right to clear the bonus and have a $2k FT roll to withdraw. Wow. Poker is fun - almost every time I play. :P
Oooooh schoolboy error, commence downswong. Nice results tho! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Robb
LoL. I did run a bit cooler in my next session. Funny though, I still think in terms of 25nl BI, so I have to correct my winnings per session by dividing by 2. Down about a BI session after my "error."
Pretty horrible day of poker, yesterday. Down a BI instead of up 2 or 3 'cuz I sucked. I seem incapable of playing my A game for more than 4k or 5k hands at a time. I tail off and go on autopilot for 1k hands and start to suck really bad. I am learning to notice it and fight through it, though.
But the upside is that my A game is improving steadily. I'm confident I can win at any stakes 50nl and lower, now.
Problems:
1. I still tend to multitable too many tables at once, especially when tired. I can play 10 FR tables when I'm feeling great, but I need to back off to 6 - 8 tables when my mind is sluggish.
2. I'm not using reads enough. SPR is important, the board is important, but I need to focus as well on particular villains left to act. If I correct #1, I'll have time during each hand to fix #2.
3. I get commitment decisions wrong too often when facing smallish flop raises. Example: I open AQs and flop is T94 with none of my suit. I cbet ip w/ two callers who've checked to me, but only one folds. The other min-raises my cbet. By now, the pot's bloated, and I realize that the villain was playing short-stacked. If I call (and I'm getting like 4 to 1 on it), I'm committed. But I think I'm likely behind his range now. Wonder why I didn't consider this BEFORE cbetting?
4. I still don't call well. I am good at betting when I should and folding most of the times I should, but calling can be really profitable in the right spots. I think some check/call lines on flop/turn could improve my win rate in certain big pots. I'm still winning with this leak, but I'll need to plug it to move up past 100nl, imo.
But poker life is good overall. I set out about 2 months ago to see if counting on poker to provide additional income was even possible. I hope by Spring to be at 100nl where a reasonable win rate would provide $500+ per month I could withdraw. I think it's doable, now.
My plan once I'm at 100nl is to play certain "money" sessions, targeting a specific number of hours/hands per week. Any additional hands I play would be "learning" sessions, playing 6m or FR to work on my game, moving down a couple limits to try out more laggy styles and/or work on postflop, and so on. I probably need to be able to earn $1k per month with about 10 hours/week of "money" sessions for it to qualify as a "part time income" source. And I need to be able to play my A game consistently over 20k+ hands.
Hey Robb.
Hows it goin???
Nice Op Robb, GL
2 things FYI
1>> Why dont you get your wife to open a Full Tilt account with bonus and rakeback? Then ask her real nice like if you can use her account to play on. Or maybe she doesnt even have to know she has a poker account ;) I got around the rakeback thing on Tilt this way, and was even able to transfer money to my account for withdrawals.
2>> I havent confirmed it yet but SugarNut mentioned in one of his new vids that FT changed their T&C's to disallow dataming. Be wery wery wary doing it.
1) Oh, I've thought about it, sure. Just not sure it's worth it, putting $$ at risk like that. I might consider it, though. I really like FT and I'm winning goot there.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhBollocks
2) Yeah, I sent them an email asking about it, and their answer was rather vague about whether you can do "personal datamining." According to their TOC, just grabbing hands at a FR table while waiting for your first hand to be dealt is no kosher, and I asked about it. The "specialist" who replied 3 days later (slow for FT customer service) didn't really address it. They went way out of their way to express that using 3rd party datamined HH's is grounds for confiscating your roll, but didn't really address grabbing HH's off your tables while sitting out or off other tables while you're playing.
All in all, being an honest gambler is difficult.
Observed hands still work at FT though, at least with HEM. I was watching some 25/50 while playing at my small stakes and started getting stats. Does this mean I'm losing my $3 bankroll?
try finding spots where you can call a LP raise against the right opponent while you are on the button with a very wide range. I did a mini-experiment a while back that helped my game a lot where I only played premium hands if I was going to be OOP, but played all sorts of hands on the button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Wheres the risk? Its a genuine account that someone else (your missus) opens. And being your missus, account to account fund transfer isnt at all odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
This is all just imo obv
nice work. Glad you made it. Next steps are obvious ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
Tough night at the office. Down 4 BI. AA < AK twice on Kxx flops, once with river king, once w/ runner flush. AKs < AA w/ FD + BDSD - yep, this time the draw stayed out. Every pot (implied) odds call missed. Every big hand flopped middle suited cards. Yikes. It got to the point where I started thinking "what's the flop I'd hate worst here," and yep, sho 'nuff, there it appeared right on my screen.
All right, enough bitching. I was playing pretty well. I refused to check the "score," just kept grinding until the repeated bad beats got to me. When I felt my game wobble, I closed it down. GG robb.
Had to happen sooner or later, I suppose. I'm still well-rolled for 50nl and nearly done w/ FT bonus. Probably finish by Jan 1st - I'll be out of town from Sunday - Wednesday, so no poker.
Merry Christmas all. Good luck at the tables.
Merry Christmass Robb.
All right, maybe it's that "new year's resolution" thing that happens this time of year, maybe it's the "3 week break from work/teaching" but w/e I'm completely rethinking my game.
First off, I'm well aware of the dangers of FPS at the micros and small stakes. (Jeez, I'm playing 50nl, now, so I'm no longer at the micros, amiright? A small stakes grinder.) But I'm also well aware now, more so than ever before, that there are HUGE leaks in my game, simply because the small stakes players aren't good enough to require truly solid poker. So I'm rereading NLHE TAP, Tommy Angelo, Mathematics of Poker, and so forth. I'm thinking about every aspect of my game, preflop, postflop, bluffing, thin value, not bluffing, cbetting, rr'ing, cr'ing, shoving, folding. Whatever.
But I'm doing a good bit of thinking about, reading about, and mathematical analysis of my game right now, not so much to make huge changes now but instead to understand the game better and prepare for the day when adjustments will be necessary.
I'll post some thoughts here and elsewhere on FTR over the next few weeks.
why not take a break for a little while, and then go back to it? the games will still be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robb
This is good advice. I'll say two things.Quote:
Originally Posted by frosst
First, I'm trying to extend my capability to play my A game since, for the first time in my life, I'm thinking of poker as a "part time job" instead of a hobby. My current goal is to grind to 100nl, stabilize there in terms of win rate, game selection and rakeback so I can estimate my "poker value per hour." At that point, I'd like to start withdrawing money on a regular basis.
Second, your advice is even better given my first point, that I should start taking breaks as part of my poker routine. For example, take one night each week "off" from poker. If I'm going to develop a long-term winning game that can churn out positive EV hour after hour, month after month, I'll need a routine that often lets me veg out and recharge.
Learning to be a solidly winning poker player requires a lot of disciplined effort, and I guess I just never really thought of it that way until the last few months.
After Thursday's down 4 BI day and Friday's down 1 BI day, today was the up 6.5 BI day. The interesting thing to me is that I played pretty well in all three sessions. I got a bit wobbly once or twice, but only down to my B game for a few hands, never my C game.
The heater felt nice. I'm sitting right at $1.8k in my FT account w/ $80 of bonus left to clear. If I run decent, I'll quit FT with 2k (1.5k was my minimum "it's worth it" goal, and 1.8k was my top end goal when I started). 2k was always in the back of my mind, but I didn't think I hit it without some luck. And I won't, without some luck.
But I have enough FTpts to buy a book - woo hoo!!
The rest of that bonus is gonna have to wait until after Christmas to clear. I'm traveling and won't have any time or place to play poker.
I hope all y'all have a blessed Christmas and get good stuff from Santa (even though I can confirm several of y'all weren't that nice in '08). :wink:
It's kinda fun reviewing the whole year. At this time last year, I was just learning to beat 10nl consistently, and my only goal for 2008 was to become a winning player. Now I'm playing 50nl confident I can win there and with results to back it up. A bankroll of a coupla hundred turned in $3k, mostly in the last few months.
There was the "wilderness" of May - September, where I lost my way and generally sucked so bad I couldn't even beat 10nl. Overall, though, I wouldn't really trade anything about my poker year. The wilderness led to a month of "putting it all together" work which in turn led to the success I'm having now.
Poker goals for '09 all revolve around generating a consistent income poker of, say, $500 or more per month. To do that, I'd like to grind my roll up to $4,500 and prove I can beat 100nl. Maybe May 1st, for that? After I stabilize at 100nl and a ~5k roll, I'll just practice grinding, say, 12 - 15 hours per week (including study time), hoping to get another 2 -3 hours of non-grinding play each week to attack higher levels and develop my game.
While I like the grinder school approach, I must say that FTR is what inspires me and teaches me best. I would hate playing poker without FTR and a great group of regs I can talk to about the ups and downs. As soon as you pay for something, the atmosphere changes. Grinder school is all business. But at FTR, we're here 'cuz we love discussing poker, goofing off, ranting and generally working on our game. And it's all good.
Happy New Year, and God bless you all in 2009.
Happy New Year Robb. Fantastic blog.
Dude, i'm a noob round here but can i just say your writing is inspirational and the structure to this blog is superb, I think i'll be working my way through your past posts.
Hope you dont mind the random post.
Not a bit. Thanks for the kind words. Welcome to FTR, and let me know if I can help with anything. GL at the tables.
A bit late, but a happy new year Robb!
This blog is just awesome and inspiring and provides a lot of great info for the feesh like me, keep it up. I can´t wait to see you pwning the higher limits.
Haven't been playing my A game much lately. Ended up in the ER with a kidney stone Sunday. So I can either play drugged or with waves of pain radiating through my groin. I call the two varieties my D game and my P game. :P
It seems that D > P.
I won nearly $100 last night playing D game. I just started grinding a bonus at Carbon. HEM and PT3 aren't compatible with the Merge network, yet, so that's interesting. I have to take lots of notes. I'm only playing 2 - 3 tables at a time, mostly 6m right now, trying to build up some basic reads on the regs. The 25nl games seem really soft, but 50nl produces some capable regs. There aren't very many games, especially at "down" times. In the evenings, it's about a half dozen 6m tables at 25nl and 50nl each, maybe 1 or 2 FR tables.
The bonus is going to be a challenge to clear, unless I move up levels. You get "comp points" based simply on hands played, but more points for higher levels. Both 25nl and 50nl clear the bonus at the same (slow) speed. More rakeback for 50nl, where the calculations are like other sites, but I'll probably just have to grind as many 25nl tables as they have active to generate the volume I need. And no one else is using a HUD. The games really seem soft, but I'll know after I get "past" my P game phase and can really focus and play.
I like the no-HUD challenge. I'm looking for a hand convertor so I can at least import hands, analyze regs and chart my progress. But playing the game with no HUD reads - just my eyeballing of villains' style, is a real treat. I think I'm going to develop a TON of good observational skills while I'm here including a chance to practice inferential reads (rather than HUD-based deductive reads).
Carbon Poker's software tilts me HARD. There is no easy way I've found to view mucked cards without digging through HH text on your hard drive. Since I play TAGG, I'm usually the one "showing down," and these donks just auto-muck their junk. So it's hard to get reads on their ranges. I'm trying to find a way around that.
So life is good. Today I've gone without pain meds, and made it through 5 hours at work in reasonable shape. And I'll be doing a ton of grinding this weekend, hopefully. And maybe playing some A game again soon. :shock:
So I'm at Carbon, clearing a bonus + Rakeback. I'll never clear the whole thousand - the software is too clunky and too few tables to churn out enough hands. Even if I were rolled for 200nl, where the bonus clears twice as fast, there aren't enough tables. So it's jam hard on 25nl, beat the game, collect the bonus (about $3 / hr) and rakeback.
Carbon is SO weak-tight. It's amazing. No one's willing to call a 2/3 pot flop cbet without a hand that beats Aces. And most times a guy is willing to get it all in, he's got 2 pair plus. I'm up like $5 after running into quads twice (once w/ KK overs, once w/ AK TPTK) and set-under-set twice in 2.5k hands.
Let me try to describe the piece of shit plays I've seen.
1. Massive min-betting, min-raising.
2. Folds to 1 bb river bets in 20bb pots.
3. Min donk bets which generally mean weakness. (If you're gonna fold, why not save a chip?)
4. 3+ limpers all folding to a standard raise when I've got the BTN and A9.
These types of things happen every freakin' hand at both 25nl and 50nl, though 50nl is SLIGHTLY better. It's so bad that I'm raising 55 for vALUE instead set-hunting with it from EP. LoL.
I watched AA and KK UTG raises and TPTK flop bets fold out the entire table so often I started expanding the range. I'm now opening AT and KJs UTG, wondering when folks will get tired of me winning the blinds. But I am starting to get action when I play, so I guess these morans do eventually pick up some reads.
It's the most boring, stable and slowly upward trending process I can imagine. But it'll be good for the bankroll. Once you pick up some reads, it's hard to lose a stack. They're not willing to gamble. If they raise the flop, they've got a hand.
The software is awful. It's a gimmick site, where you can show one card instead of your whole hand, if you wan to. A rabbit cam. Hell, in all-in hands, they'll even let you "run it twice" like they do on High Stakes Poker. But in terms of basic functionality, like having the software remember your table layout (like FT) or allowing auto-topoff (stars) or even something simple like a way to take yourself ALL waiting lists at once. Jeez. What a piece of crap site.
Well, at least its good money. Good luck at the real-site tables while I'm grinding this bonus in Hades. :twisted:
Haven't played much. I've got the kids this weekend and we traveled to my parents house. Being a "single" dad for a few days doesn't leave much time for poker. When I've played lately, I've won.
Tonight was the 4th time I've run into quads at Carbon in less than 10k hands, but at least I didn't cough up an entire stack this time. This hand made it easier to live with. :P
I wasn't gonna call the flop raise until the MP player called it first. I was expecting 88 from someone, but I thought I had enough equity/FE for the shove. Dunno looking back. Tough spot. But the poker gods smiled on me.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($20.75)
UTG 1 ($32.90)
MP1 ($102.30)
Hero (MP2) ($79.55)
MP3 ($50.00)
CO ($37.25)
BTN ($47.00)
SB ($10.50)
BB ($39.40)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is MP2 :9h: :9c:
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 4 folds, BB calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75
Flop: :7d: :6d: :5s: ($7, 3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB raises to $12, MP1 calls $12, Hero calls $7.50
Turn: :9s: ($43, 3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets $28.50, Hero goes all-in $65.30, BB goes all-in $25.15, MP1 calls $36.80, UTG 1 says "wow..."
River: :4c: ($198.75, 3 players)
Final Pot: $198.75
Hero shows: :9h: :9c:
BB shows: :7c: :7s:
MP1 shows: :5h: :5d:
Hero wins $195.75 ( won $116.20 )
BB lost -$39.40
MP1 lost -$79.55