Yeah I've considered that but I think I'd be too bored.
Which bit don't you like?
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Yeah I've considered that but I think I'd be too bored.
Which bit don't you like?
You seem to have a solid basic game. I think you just need to get more adept at smallball play and be able to id profitable re-raise and steal situations mostly from accurate hand reading. It all adds up. This might be easier if you cut down a few tables.
In your situation I would move down to build back confidense.
Good luck man.
Another squeeze play I messed up. This guy knew I was squeezing. I knew he knew I was squeezing. Should have been an easy flop c/f.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
MP ($512.17)
CO ($177)
Button ($290.05)
Hero ($198)
BB ($312.70)
UTG ($200)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, Hero (poster) raises to $29, 1 fold, MP calls $22, Button calls $22.
Flop: ($92) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $70, MP raises to $140, Button folds, Here raises AI (~$150), MP calls $28.
Turn: ($330) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
River: ($330) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Final Pot: $330
Results: MP wins with 77.
Good play by him. He knew exactly what I was up to.
Just finished up a 3200 hand 200NL session where I lost nearly 1.5k$. I feel like I played really well but I just got sucked out on all over the place. Seriously it was nuts.
I'm gonna try to play more later on. My sleep scedule is all messed up at the moment so it's hard to coincide my play with the times that party is softest. It's amazing how 200NL is so much more difficult during peak hours. I just played an hour at a tough table there (where that hand above came from) where I hardly saw a flop without getting reraised. It was crazy. Good practice for 400NL though I feel, plus it was fun and challenging.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Played a few hore hands. I'm now down $2000 at 200NL in 2 days. 95% just from pure variance, I think I've made about 2 idiotic mistakes. If I include my losses at 400NL earlier on, it appears I have had my first -$8000 week. My BR feels like it has been pretty much decimated. Down to nearly 8k now. Things better start turning around pretty soon.
Here's a hand I just played that I thought was cool. Villian is semi-loose TAG. Had squeezed me a few time so I decided I was going to play back on a safeish flop. Worst flop possible comes out. Luckily his weak cbet signified to me that he was scared of the ace himself so I pounced all over him.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($115.85)
SB ($406.80)
BB ($197)
Hero ($421.65)
MP ($281.75)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, SB (poster) raises to $34, 1 fold, Hero calls $27, Button folds.
Flop: ($80) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $30, Hero raises to $100, SB folds.
Final Pot: $210
Cool hand but I dunno why. Didn't think he would check the turn with an A so I deduced that he was on a bure bluff and called. He flipped 68. :shipit:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($200)
UTG ($200)
MP ($380.84)
Hero ($197)
Button ($202.70)
SB ($392.15)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, Button calls $7, 2 folds.
Flop: ($24) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $16, Button calls $16, UTG folds.
Turn: ($56) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.
River: ($56) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $53.2, Hero calls $53.20.
Final Pot: $162.40
At this point I am about to move down to 100NL. My confidence is shot to pieces. I play every hand just waiting for them to raise me, 3bet me, call my cbet, draw out on me and do a million other things which cause me to lose more money by no fault of my own. In the last 20k hands my bankroll which was, at it's height, $18,000, has been cut in half in just over a week. At this point I'm seriously considering withdrawing what I have left online ($7000) and saying goodbye to the poker world. I never thought it would come to this.
start bonus whoring again
quitting poker? downswings suck and all but you are still good at poker. hell, you even made a good laydown against my AA a few days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irisheyes
If I was you I'd withdraw $5500 and start afresh at 50NL with $1500. Playing poker with lowered confidence is murderous for the BR..
Thanks guys. The support helps alot.
I just played 4 hours of 100NL and made 1k. Maybe I'm out. Who knows I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm gonna go get some breakfast and go back to playing 200NL.
These are the first, second and last bad beat hands I will ever post (and only because they are kinda funny). This is the kinda stuff that really gets to me. I make a good read, play a hand well and still I can't take pots. I know I'm sounding like a whiney bitch right now. This is the last of it I promise.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
SB ($99)
BB ($190.61)
UTG ($266.04)
MP ($179.65)
Hero ($162.15)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, BB raises to $10, MP folds, Hero raises to $35, BB calls $24.
Flop: ($71.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $65, Hero is All-in $127.15, BB calls $62.15.
Turn: ($198.65) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
River: ($198.65) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Final Pot: $198.65
Results in white below:
BB has Jd Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has 7s 9s (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: BB wins $198.65.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
CO ($90)
Button ($401.31)
SB ($223.14)
BB ($195.10)
UTG ($52.05)
Hero ($100.40)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, Button raises to $8, SB (poster) calls $7.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.
Flop: ($25) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, Button raises to $32, SB folds, Hero is AI $76.4, Button calls $60.40.
Turn: ($133.40) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
River: ($133.40) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Final Pot: $133.40
Results in white below:
Hero has 8s As (two pair, eights and sixes).
Button has 7s 6d (three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: Button wins $133.40.
OK I'm done venting. Back to losing huge ammounts of money. Thanks for listening guys.
Welcome to my world :)
You can't quit poker, it's impossible. I withdrew my bankroll a couple months back to fund my business. I put on $200 2 weeks ago and now I'm trucking (or trying to rather) back up there. If you're anything like me, you can't quit. You will find your way back.
I've never played the stakes you play (my highest was shots at 200nl) and I've never even come close to losing 8k in a week, so take it fwiw... but stick with it man. I like the thread, and you seem solid.
Perhaps you should take a week or so off? You said you want to quit, I think time off will help this. I didn't play one single hand for 1.5 months or so (minus some gauntlet games) and I wanted to play sooo bad when I returned. It was refreshing when I started again.
Just relax for a few days, get drunk, get laid, don't think about poker at all. I think it will really help you.
GL!
Yeah you're probably right it would be impossible. I guess I'll just stick at it. I don't wan't to take a break because I know I won't be happy with myself if I don't beat this think. Taking a break means I let it get the best of me and that doesn't sit well with my personality or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by givememyleg
Pwning 100NL for a few thousand hands helped me. At least I know I can beat that!
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Here's more crazy lag shit which shows that moves like this can work even at 100NL if you pick the exact right guys:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($98)
SB ($117.55)
Hero ($142.35)
UTG ($133.10)
MP ($220.23)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $11.5, Hero raises to $39, MP folds, SB folds.
Final Pot: $55
Irisheyes, you are a good player. Dont quit poker. I would suggest taking a break, doesnt need to be more than 2 days. When you get back start at NL100 and play pretty straightforward, and try focusing on fixing all your leaks (you know things like "calling down to much", "bluffing to much" etc). Write it down on a piece of paper and reread it everytime you start a session (thats what I do). Because besides running bad you are probably playing poorer than usual (a kind of "semitilt" due to running bad, the kind of tilt that is really hard to detect), and in that case you really need to step back a moment before starting to play again.
I would suggest staying at NL100 until you can beat it for a healthy WR over a larger samplesize - 10PTBB/100 is possible at NL100 if you practise good table selection, I've done over 10PTBB/100 over 25K hands at this level and I'm by no means a good player.
Pwn 200NL, improve your play, fix leaks, win $, and move back up. Taking a break for a few days seems +EV too. gl, you know you're good enough.
PM sent btw.
Cheers for the explanations.
I really don't think you should be quitting poker, I've required a couple of explanations, because being a micro-limit ABC semi-nit myself, your stuff reads pretty crazy. Very interesting to watch though. I reckon you should move down to $100NL, and burn some lame ABC123 tight-passives. Or even 50NL, where you'd run wild. Also look at the money. You'll earn more a week 8-tabling 50NL than someone who's spending their summer break stacking shelves in a shitty florescent-lighted supermarket.
Quit while you still have the chance!
Jk dude, we both know you're very talented and you have great work ethic in poker, those two things will make you very successful. Keep it up.
Considering that I'm back at 200NL I think it is you who should quit while you have the chance!Quote:
Originally Posted by aislephive
this is a great thread. don't quit irish. you know how easy 100NL is to beat if you have to move down there temporarily or whatever
BR just over $8k atm. Still running like shit. I honestly never thought it was possible to run this bad.
I remember Iused to read of professional poker players who played with 100 buy-in rolls and had 3 months expenses put away. I usesd to think this was rediculous and that no-one could ever come close to needing that much of a safety net. Man was I wrong. Living off poker is about 50 times harder then it looks to the average amateur player. It's mentally incredibly draining.
I'm gonna try and take the weekend off from ring games. Maybe play some tournaments for fun. I came 13th in a $55 FO last night.
Coming up on my 30 thousanth hand of near constant downswing.
Dude, if you ever want vent, AIM markelby :)
Try playing less aggressively for a time. You are playing an agressive game vs fish that don't know what they are doing. 3 betting 79s vs an idiot who clearly likes his hand cannot be EV+.
You are not playing 1000nl, you don't have to be leaking chips playing lagg.
Hi,
I have enjoyed your thread (and Keeley) for a while now. Hang in there, don't quit.
I agree with take a break/switch it up/tone down the aggression. Do more reading and think about how you started playing, what worked back even when you were new to poker. A lot of your posts are about your tricky plays. I do think that they have caused you to acquired some bad habits. They are great to mix things up but perhaps you are doing them too often. Re-read the newbie circle of death. I just went through a tough stretch in my game as well, and it had a lot to do with being too tricky/unchecked aggression. Even gabe is running bad. Summer will be over soon and poker will be on ESPN again before you know it. The games should get softer (i hope).
.toma
Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryToma
Hey. Thanks for the post.
Most of my play isn't tricky at all. In fact I've been accused by people I play with (Lukie, Gabe) of not being tricky enough! I don't post the boring hands though because there just isn't much to discuss about them. They're just straightforward "I have the best hand - I bet" hands.
You could be right though. I'm searching for leaks for sure.
Had my first positive 200NL session in a long time just there: +$550 in about 700 hands. It's time to go drink again. ttyl faithful readers!
Irish, post your PT stats? I've looked but can't find any.
12/8/5Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
Haha a big giant F U!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by aislephive
Who do you think I am? Ultimate George?
20/15/3.2Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
ownedQuote:
Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Hey IE, for some reason I never saw this thread before today, so I'll just let you know what I think. My worst downswing was 4k, so I can only imagine what you must be going through. My advice is to 1) take a break anywhere from a couple days to a couple weeks (you obv need it), 2) tighten up so that you have lower variance and you are put in less marginal situations (200nl is very beatable playing like a nit), and 3) take a win whenever you can. This means if you play for 30 minutes and find yourself up 2-3 buyins, just stop for the day. Do this 3-4 times and you will be very amazed how much confidence you gain, even though you played the equivalent of one day's worth of hands. Hope this helps a little. :)
ps: Hit me up on aim if you wanna chat.
I need an update plz kthx.
Ya thanks. What you say about leaving when I'm up is a very good idea and something I've been doing for the last while. Nothing kicks me in the nuts harder then going up 2 buyins on a table and then ending the session back at breakeven there.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
I have been taking a break for the last few days. Only playing a couple of hands a day. I think I'm gonna stay like this for a while and then try to get back into it. I feel like I've kinda lost interest even though my last fewhands have been positive.
Thanks for all the continued support guys. It really helps.
2 hands a day = -EV dude.
If you feel you've lost interest then take proper time away. Don't read FTR, don't examine your stats, and don't play. You'll gradually feel the pull getting stronger and stronger, and you can let yourself back in gently - have some fun, teach yourself stud or something, quad-table $5 SNGs. Remember why you enjoy poker.
dude. take a break. not something set in stone...just stop playing poker until you not only get over your downswing, but until you're aching to play again. When you feel that, don't play for a couple more days...then you'll be on top of your game. I've been reading every post here, but haven't had anything important to add until now. I'd hate to see you quit when you so obviously could be succesful at this.
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Here's to 60,000 hands in a downswing and to poker for decimating all my dreams of having a profitable summer! I guess I did accomplish one thing this summer, I managed to turn a 400NL player into a 100NL player in under 3 months!!! YAY for poker.
Cashed out about $3000 of what remained of my bankroll. I now have $3000 left. 100NL here we come. I know I can't beat that either but fuck it, lets give it a shot.
Irish - you have loads of support here and everyone is certain you will find your groove again. Hang in there mate.
I just had a 12 day vacation and despite the usual early withdrawal symptons, by the time I got back it felt great to not have that huge desire to play poker. I felt cleansed. It took another week or so before I was back playing seriously again so the break did wonders. I can highly recommend some time in the sun away from the computer to give you a different focus and mindset for the rebuilding of your roll.
You will kill NL100 once again - your roll will be replenished within a short few months - and you will be a better player for the experience.
Good luck with the challenge ahead mate... and feed off the support you have earned here...
Wrighty
If I followed correctly.. you started with $9k, cashed out a total of $13k and have $3k left.. which means you made $7k this summer. Ok, may pale in comparison to the $75k plan, but I'd say.. I wish I had a "horribly bad and disappointing summer where I made $7k playing poker".. ;)
Dude, you pwn, and you got laid!
:cut: :cut: :cut: :cut: :cut:
I'm ok really. I just want attention, you know how it is.
Took a day off yesterday again. Decided I was going to beat this shit and realised that I had been playing terribly lately. And it's because of FTR.
Since I started playing poker I have always browsed the net while playing (usually FTR). I realised yesterday that I'm loosing huge chunks of chance because I wasn't paying attention to the tables. I would literally be playing 7 tables and time out because of reading a thread at the same time.
Well today I decided that would stop. And it seems to help alot. I played (roughly) 4k hands today at 100NL and made nearly 12 buyins. Hopefully this isn't just variance teasing me and I really have turned things around.
Hopefully.
Now its time for some mad funny table chat and a crazy hand (as usual) :
(I'm lolYouFoldEX by the way)
#5019182181: lolYouFoldEZ wins $162.50
TheReflex: what an APE
TheReflex: you had monkey written all over u from the second u sat down
lolYouFoldEZ: cool
TheReflex: i can imagine what kink of donk hand you called before the flop
lolYouFoldEZ: 9To
TheReflex: laughable
lolYouFoldEZ: I don't think it's funny
TheReflex: i do
lolYouFoldEZ: ok
#5019211356: lolYouFoldEZ wins $5.50
lolYouFoldEZ: do you like pokemon?
lolYouFoldEZ: I do
lolYouFoldEZ: I think pokemon is cool
lolYouFoldEZ: do you?
lolYouFoldEZ: donk bet alert!!
#5019360793: lolYouFoldEZ wins $33.75 from the main pot with two pairs, eights and sevens.
lolYouFoldEZ: 77 is the nuts
lolYouFoldEZ: isn't that right Reflex
#5019417832: lolYouFoldEZ wins $6
lolYouFoldEZ: I had 53 there reflexd
(talking about me)
#5019597521: lolYouFoldEZ wins $5.50
TheReflex: in poker circles he's also known as a donkey
THETERMINATOR: or monkey
TheReflex: 5 3
lolYouFoldEZ: Yo reflex
lolYouFoldEZ: do me a favour
lolYouFoldEZ: go type me name into "Find a player"
lolYouFoldEZ: please
TheReflex: ill get right on that
lolYouFoldEZ: ty
sdlovell: i believe i noticed a hint of sarcasm in his reply
sdlovell: but you are hidden
lolYouFoldEZ: oops
lolYouFoldEZ: no I'm not
TheReflex: in case anyone else hasnt figured this out, he's using cheat software
sdlovell: how is that?
lolYouFoldEZ: lol am I?
TheReflex: im only sticking around because ive heard about it but never ran into it
TheReflex: i was never a believer before
sdlovell: what are the signs?
lolYouFoldEZ: XXXX how can you tell?
TheReflex: he's folded EVERYTIME ive had the nuts and stuck around everytime i didnt
sdlovell: so you think he knows what your cards are?
lolYouFoldEZ: maybe I'm just really good?
TheReflex: im still trying to figure out how it works
sdlovell: lets be clear, there are several ways to cheat, that is not one of them
TheReflex: other than collusion what are the other ways?
lolYouFoldEZ: Reflex did you know that you only raise 4.5% of your hands preflop?
lolYouFoldEZ: what do you think jakally?
jakally: i dont no 2 b honest
lolYouFoldEZ: you think I can see your cards?
jakally: unlikely
lolYouFoldEZ: I agree
lolYouFoldEZ: what do they say about this situation on 2+2?
lolYouFoldEZ: Anyway reflex
lolYouFoldEZ: what I wanted to show you
lolYouFoldEZ: I'm playing 7 tables at the moment
lolYouFoldEZ: with a combined 1.1k$ between them
lolYouFoldEZ: how much do you make a year at your job?
TheReflex: 70K
lolYouFoldEZ: I'm 21
lolYouFoldEZ: I can make over 111k a year playing 100NL
lolYouFoldEZ: sorry 100k
sdlovell: key word "can"
lolYouFoldEZ: not 111
TheReflex: and im sure the health/retirement benefits are fantastic...LOL
sdlovell: only 100k for 7 tables?
lolYouFoldEZ: no not really but then again I'm not going to do this forever
lolYouFoldEZ: so next time
TheReflex: exactly...because you'll stop when u go broke son
lolYouFoldEZ: when you want to call someone a donkey
lolYouFoldEZ: please choose a player who is actually bad at poker
TheReflex: your taking it rather personally for someone who purports to not be a donkey
lolYouFoldEZ: to save yourself from looking foolish
lolYouFoldEZ: thanks for listening, have a nice day
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And the hand:
No reads
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
MP ($24.85)
Button ($19)
SB ($76.45)
Hero ($102.60)
UTG ($40.80)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, Button calls $1, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $6, UTG folds, MP folds, Button folds, SB calls $75.45 (All-In), Hero calls $69.45.
Flop: ($155.90) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($155.90) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($155.90) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $155.90
Results below:
SB has Qs Jc (two pair, nines and fives).
Hero has Kd Ah (two pair, nines and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $155.90.
my little brother worked 50hrs/week this summer and made only 1.6k! i told him id teach him poker, but the 'rents freaked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
Agreed. I show my wife pokergraph for the day, and point out "this is where the dog was barking at me for attention (downswing).. this is when you came home from work (steady drop), this is when you started nagging me about the dishes (lose buyin).. this is when you went to bed (back to even +1 buyin).Quote:
Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Paying attention is huge. Being able to see all screens at once. Turn off the tv, close ftr. I like to post ftr after my session to recap the night. Its a good way to evaluate your play.
lolYouFoldEZ: Reflex did you know that you only raise 4.5% of your hands preflop?
- why did you say that?
That was me pretending to be cheating.
Played a shitload of 100NL today (about 6000 hands or more I think) and made some cash. Not sure how much, around the $700 mark I think.
This is what happens when you reraise someone pf a whole bunch:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
SB ($43)
Hero ($126.20)
UTG ($99.50)
MP ($422.77)
CO ($97.65)
Button ($167.55)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, CO raises to $4.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $13, CO pushes all in, Hero calls $83.65.
Flop: ($102.65) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
Turn: ($102.65) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
River: ($102.65) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Final Pot: $102.65
Results below: ]
Hero has Qh Qs (three of a kind, queens).
CO has Jd Jh (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $102.65.
And here's a funny hand from today:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
UTG ($106.75)
MP ($63.94)
Hero ($131.66)
SB ($79.40)
BB ($110.45)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB (poster) completes, BB raises to $3, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero calls $3, SB raises to $7.5, BB calls $4, Hero calls $4.
Flop: ($26) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets $10, BB folds, Hero raises to $33, SB pushes all-in, Hero calls $38.40.
Turn: ($107.40) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
River: ($107.40) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Final Pot: $107.40
Results below:
SB has Kh 7h (three of a kind, tens).
Hero has 6h Ah (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $107.40.
pokers so easy
Irish that last hand, did you have a read on SB? Else I hate the flop semibluff, I cant imagine having any folding equity in this reraised pot. Results are hilarious though :D
Honestly I dont know wtf I was doing. I played the hand really bad and just got lucky.
Made another $1200 at 100NL today. It's so easy it really is. I think if I had just played 100NL all summer I would have made way more then I did at 200 and 400NL. I've played 28k 100NL hands now and I'm running at 4.5ptBB/100 and I know I can do better then that.
I think the plan now is to get back to 200NL asap (like 6000 hands a day asap) and then make sure I have a really solid game together before I try 400NL again.
br IS $4900
OMG OMG Split POT!!!!
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Hero ($100)
Button ($240.20)
SB ($69.50)
BB ($24.61)
UTG ($133.78)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4.
Flop: ($11.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero raises to $16, UTG calls $11.
Turn: ($43.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $20, Hero calls $20.
River: ($83.50) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero calls $59 (All-In), UTG calls $59.
Final Pot: $201.50
what?
oh ya shit I forgot the results!
He showed down 5 :heart: 5 :spade:
OMFG now see this is why we should boycot the Gauntet!! Gauntlet is so xx$*&&%$£^ RIGGEDDD!!!!!!!!938482
PokerStars Game #6113242440: Tournament #30964425, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/08/30 - 22:19:10 (ET)
Table '30964425 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tonyj444 (770 in chips)
Seat 2: Sighman23 (1335 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: swiggidy (1245 in chips)
Seat 4: KA234 (1350 in chips)
Seat 5: mike4066 (1170 in chips)
Seat 6: givememyleg (2460 in chips)
Seat 7: Wedge7 (1350 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: takesix (3200 in chips)
Seat 9: Triptanes (1730 in chips)
mike4066: posts small blind 15
givememyleg: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KA234 [Ah Ad]
Wedge7: folds
tonyj444 said, "dus it require the use of technomelogical hoo-hah?"
swiggidy said, "too late"
takesix: folds
Triptanes: folds
tonyj444 said, "or is it easy 2 set up?"
KA234 said, "I have rockets"
tonyj444: raises 90 to 120
Sighman23: folds
swiggidy: folds
swiggidy said, "FTR chat"
swiggidy said, "?"
KA234: raises 240 to 360
mike4066: folds
givememyleg: folds
tonyj444: calls 240
*** FLOP *** [8h 6d 7s]
tonyj444: checks
KA234: bets 990 and is all-in
tonyj444: calls 410 and is all-in
tonyj444 said, "lol"
*** TURN *** [8h 6d 7s] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [8h 6d 7s 4d] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tonyj444: shows [8d Td] (a flush, Ten high)
KA234: shows [Ah Ad] (a pair of Aces)
mike4066 said, "haha"
takesix said, "roflcopter"
KA234 said, "rigged"
tonyj444 collected 1585 from pot
mike4066 said, "wow"
swiggidy said, "llamalicious"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1585 | Rake 0
Board [8h 6d 7s 4d 2d]
Seat 1: tonyj444 showed [8d Td] and won (1585) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 2: Sighman23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: swiggidy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: KA234 (button) showed [Ah Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: mike4066 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: givememyleg (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Wedge7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: takesix folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Triptanes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PokerStars Game #6113630503: Tournament #30964425, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/08/30 - 22:44:57 (ET)
Table '30964425 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tonyj444 (4245 in chips)
Seat 3: swiggidy (835 in chips)
Seat 4: KA234 (1560 in chips)
Seat 5: mike4066 (1830 in chips)
Seat 6: givememyleg (785 in chips)
Seat 8: takesix (2885 in chips)
mike4066: posts small blind 25
givememyleg: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KA234 [Kh Qs]
givememyleg said, "YEAH YEAH"
takesix: folds
tonyj444: folds
swiggidy: raises 100 to 150
KA234: raises 300 to 450
mike4066: folds
givememyleg: folds
swiggidy: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [2h Kc Qd]
swiggidy: bets 385 and is all-in
KA234: calls 385
KA234 said, "omg"
*** TURN *** [2h Kc Qd] [Ac]
takesix said, "lol."
*** RIVER *** [2h Kc Qd Ac] [4s]
takesix said, "LEE"
KA234 said, "noooooo"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
swiggidy: shows [Jc Tc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
KA234: shows [Kh Qs] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
mike4066 said, "lol"
swiggidy collected 1745 from pot
mike4066 said, "glad i mucked AJ"
KA234 said, "Lee you xxxxxxxxxxx"
givememyleg said, "WTF ALL OF THESE DONKS"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1745 | Rake 0
Board [2h Kc Qd Ac 4s]
Seat 1: tonyj444 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: swiggidy showed [Jc Tc] and won (1745) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 4: KA234 (button) showed [Kh Qs] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 5: mike4066 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: givememyleg (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: takesix folded before Flop (didn't bet)
I NEED UPDATES THX!
I need a new pp sn k thx
Been playing 200NL again for the last while. Made like 5k since about 2 weeks ago when I cut my bankroll down to 3k. I've also been experimenting with playing fewer tables and some other stuff. Things are going pretty well again.
Br = $8000
Irisheyes is back bitches!!
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($214.01)
Hero ($351.60)
BB ($276.30)
UTG ($382.03)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($6) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $6, BB folds, UTG raises to $15, Hero raises to $62, UTG calls $47.
Turn: ($130) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $88, UTG raises to $200, Hero raises All-in $199.6, UTG calls $87.60.
River: ($703.20) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Final Pot: $703.20
Results below:
Hero has Ah 7h (flush, ace high).
UTG has 9h 8h (flush, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins $703.20.
How to lose a 7 buyin pot in 3 easy steps:
(Please pay special attention to my expert call on the flop)
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
MP ($92.48)
CO ($86.45)
Button ($26.81)
Hero ($88.67)
BB ($10.22)
UTG ($67.77)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG raises to $0.5, MP calls $0.50, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $2.90, BB is All-in $9.97, 1 fold, MP folds, CO calls $7.22, Hero calls $7.22.
Flop: ($21.69) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $20, CO raises AI $76.23, Hero calls $56.23.
Turn: ($181.12) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (3 players)
River: ($181.12) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (3 players)
Final Pot: $181.12
Results below:
CO has 8h 7h (flush, king high).
Hero has Jh As (one pair, jacks).
BB has Qc Ac (high card, ace).
Outcome: CO wins $181.12.
WHERE DID I GO WRONG?!!!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Irisheyes
YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!! I won $1k on the Steelers last night, pretty happy with that. Between that and last months rakeback which should get applied soon I get a nice bankroll boost bringing me to just over $9000 I think. I've actually made $6k in the last 2 weeks whick is such a turnaround. It's weird how variance works. I just checked PT and realised that August was my first ever losing month since I started playing. I was down a total of 3k for that month. You know if you had told me two months ago that it was possible to have a losing month, frankly I would have laughed. Just goes to show how naive I was at the start of the summer.
I've encountered a little bit of variance at 200NL over the last day or so, it's nothing to be worrid about yet I just need to concentrate a bit better. Honestly I cant wait till my bankroll gets back to the 12k mark so I can start playing 400NL again. I feel like my game has improved alot since I decided that I needed to drop down and I'm looking forward to the challenge of higher stakes again. Hopefully I can run hot for a while and get back up there.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2...ufoldezwx7.jpg
True story. 97s - $200. :)
Let me get this right - Irish plays 4% FEWER hands pre-flop at 6max than at FR? That must have been some bad run of cards...
Nah they're both 6max stats it just doesn't say 6max for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by biondino
Yeah some of those were datamined so they didn't import as 6 max hands for some reason.
You nitty luckboxx you :lol:
***** Hand History for Game 5132332823 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, September 09, 00:53:04 ET 2006
Table Monster #1293947 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: TU95BEAR ( $324.28 )
Seat 4: mtanc ( $191.05 )
Seat 6: johnny2912 ( $198 )
Seat 1: trasklake__ ( $115.30 )
Seat 5: SirAmberBock ( $74.20 )
Seat 2: lolYouFoldEZ ( $193 )
mtanc posts small blind [$1].
SirAmberBock is sitting out.
johnny2912 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnny2912 [ 7s 7c ]
SirAmberBock has left the table.
trasklake__ folds.
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$8].
TU95BEAR folds.
mtanc folds.
johnny2912 calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 6h, Jc ]
johnny2912 bets [$11].
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$34].
johnny2912 folds.
lolYouFoldEZ shows [ Jd, Jh ] four of a kind, jacks.
The time at which hand ended:Sep 09 2006 00:54 ET
lolYouFoldEZ wins $59.55 from the main pot with four of a kind, jacks.
trasklake__ has left the table.[/b]
johnny how do you think I should have played that? I was thinking that you would think that I was bluff raising bacause you were trying to steal the pot. I thought you would shut down if I caled.
Call, value bet river seems best vs. my obvious PP. And ~1/12 of the time I hit my 2-outer and you'll take my stack.
Things are still going well at 200NL these days. I just finished off a short $800 session. Bankroll is back around the 10.5k mark right at this moment, nearly over 12k if I include money party owes me and this monts rb.
I'll be back taking shots at 4 tabling 400NL when I hit 12k. I really want to get up there and try hard to improve as a player untill I can beat 400NL soundly.
Only have 11 days left in my summer hollidays. I post a fuller report in like a week but operation 75k will continue untill I reach that mark! (Incase you were all really worried that this thread would stop!)
This is ny 200NL graph to date:
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/748...hunter1co4.png
If you've ever seen a Coco_Bill graph you will see that I have HUGE variance problems. To this day I fail to understand why. I also have HUGE winrate problems which I fail to understand.
Tried to move back to 400NL today and got pwned for about $2000. I was really hoping that my transition would go smoothly but it looks like it is not to be. Ah well, back to 200NL to regenerate.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Heres the current stats for party poker on # of players playing each level per pokersitescout.com:
NL Hold'em USD 1/2 10max PartyPoker 36tables 354 players
NL Hold'em USD 1/2 6max PartyPoker 118tables 652 players
NL Hold'em USD 2/4 6max PartyPoker 61tables 345players
NL Hold'em USD 2/4 10max PartyPoker 19tables 185players
I was surprised to see that there were way more players playing 6max! It seems if you want to play up there productively you probably should play 6max. There are twice as many people at 1/2 as 2/4.. im assuming its exponentially harder to play at that level.
What are your goals irish eyes?? do you want to make a certain $/hr or are you looking to be able to break-even at $2k eventually?? I dont see why 2006max cant be your home indefinitely.
i watched you for half an hour. (and no, my party sn is a secret) :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Irisheyes
I already do play 6max and have been ever since I started this operation. There's only ever a few FR tables available and FR is boring anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryToma
My goal in this game is basically to push as high as I can. Hopefully to 2kNL and beyond. I realise that there are skill limitations that will arise but I'm still going to keep trying. With enough effort I don't see whay I should stagnate anywhere.
At the moment my feelings are that the money isn't all that important. Sure I like money and even at 200NL the money is good but what realy interests me there days is the challenge. I want to keep pushing myself and moving up and getting better.
Ah go on! You know I'll just give you more action if you tell me. I always get like "I bet he's just trying to run a crazy bluff on me so he can post it... I call".Quote:
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Funny hand from today:
***** Hand History for Game 5203943735 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, September 19, 12:32:35 ET 2006
Table Monster #1290232 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: BillyP222 ( $43 )
Seat 6: chabiuk ( $166.15 )
Seat 1: lolYouFoldEZ ( $212.30 )
Seat 5: loile ( $60.30 )
Seat 2: Bigguy44139 ( $86.80 )
Seat 3: Kasvis ( $64 )
BillyP222 posts small blind [$1].
loile posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolYouFoldEZ [ Js Jc ]
chabiuk folds.
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$8].
Bigguy44139 calls [$8].
Kasvis folds.
BillyP222 calls [$7].
loile is all-In [$58.30]
lolYouFoldEZ is all-In [$204.30]
Bigguy44139 is all-In [$78.80]
BillyP222 is all-In [$35]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, Th, 8h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
lolYouFoldEZ shows [ Js, Jc ] a pair of jacks.
Bigguy44139 doesn't show [ Ah, Kd ] high card ace.
BillyP222 doesn't show [ Ts, Kh ] a pair of tens.
loile doesn't show [ Ad, Kc ] high card ace.
lolYouFoldEZ wins $125.50 from side pot #3 with a pair of jacks.
lolYouFoldEZ wins $53 from side pot #2 with a pair of jacks.
lolYouFoldEZ wins $51.90 from side pot #1 with a pair of jacks.
lolYouFoldEZ wins $168.50 from the main pot with a pair of jacks.
Things are still going ok. Kinda stagnant but thats just because of a bunch of beats I been getting recently. Nothing to worry about. One more day till I go on holidays. I have to go and sit around the stupid passport office all day tomorrow because I left my passport lying in a puddle of beer at a party a while ago. It's gonna be a shit day. I'll try and fit a post in before I go on hollidays.
BR is like 11k or something I'm not sure.
There are two things I absolutely hate in this world.
1. Irisheyes.
2. People who fail to update their blogs.
Good job, you've really earned my hatred.
Yeah Im in Croatia on holidays with 8 of my friendas having the absolute time of my life. Screw. you.
Find my parents plz.
Triptanes fact:Born in Coratia, then adopted and shipped over to USA
I guess this is it.. my summer officially ends in about 2 days and I don't think I'll get to play much poker between now and then so this may as well be my conclusion post. It's been a rough ride full of elation and disappointment, struggles and victories. My total profit for the last 3 and a half months comes to roughly $18,500. That’s including rakeback and a successful sports bet promotion. Taking into account the fact that I've been on holidays for the last 2 weeks it's reasonable to assume that I made 18.5k in 3 months.
The journey was way tougher then I ever expected. To think now how naive I was when I called this post "Operation 75k" three and a half months ago. I actually really believed that I could make that amount of money it that time frame. I was sitting around doing calculations and coming up with wild expected earn numbers like $100k. Numbers which look crazy now but which seemed within my grasp at the time. It seems my estimations were way off the mark. I think there are two reasons for this:
1) I'm just not as good a player as I thought I was. Not by a long shot. All my estimations before I actually started playing were based on the assumption that I could make 3-4ptBB/100 at the stakes I played. Over my 240,000 hands I actually averaged something like 1.2ptBB/100. I still struggle to figure out why because I’m having so much trouble identifying my leaks. Every 200NL post I see I can put a good line to pretty easily and explain it and I feel that I don't make huge mistakes when I play but still I have trouble pushing my winrate up to the numbers of my respected peers.
2) I vastly underestimated how huge and drawn out the swings of online poker can be. If you look at the centre of my graph you'll see a $9000 downswing in what was roughly 8 days play. Also if you look on a wider spectrum both sides of that peak you'll see that I can justify saying that I had a 170,000 hand breakeven stretch. I just wasn't mentally prepared for swings like this. I had periods when I ran bad, started playing bad, semi-tilted and basically got caught in catch 22 situations of losing money without even really realising. It takes a severely disciplined mind to be able to push through these stressful situations and I just wasn't really ready for it. I believe I an definitely capable of such mental control and I have used it over this summer but I feel I need to be tougher still. I also think I ran shit for 240k hands but I cant justify that statement.
Of course lost of good has come from my experience. My game, mentality and maturity has improved a huge amount in the last 3 months. I feel that I am a far better player now than I ever was before. I've learned more concepts and have a far bigger arsenal of tricks and strategies. Just plain experience has taken my game to a higher state too. You cant fail to learn something new over a quarter of a million hands. I'm far more modest about my game now. I think I really needed a few kicks in the teeth to get the idea of 'pro poker is so easy' out of my head. It's not easy, it's actually one of the most stressful and mentally tough projects I've ever undertaken.
As a word of advice, I'm worried about all the 'I'm going pro' posts I'm seeing around at the moment. I think these people are taking a leap of faith without even coming close to understanding the weight of the responsibility they are taking on. When I took on this task at the start of this summer I scoffed at the idea of a losing month. I was too good to have a losing month. But it happened and it shocked me more then I could have ever thought. Why couldn't a good player have a losing year? I think a lot of people who think they are prepared are in for a fright. If you won’t to do it then please do, for the sake of no regrets, but be careful.
In conclusion. Operation 75k will continue. I will hit that $75,000 mark eventually. I plan to continue improving as a player and working my way up the stakes until I get to the top, wherever that may be. I've made enough money to relax for this college year, play a bit of poker and concentrate on getting a good result in the final year of my Mechanical engineering degree. I still plan to go totally pro after that point, despite the trials of my experience, the tribulations are too alluring and the money is too good. It's been a blast thus far, long may it continue.
Finally I want to take a moment to thank all the people who have contributed to this thread to this point. The people who left comments, the people who supported me when I was struggling and congratulated me when I was winning, even the lurkers who read this thread without me even knowing. Thank you, it helps.
Pokertracker screenshot of all the hands I played this summer:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5...hunter1oi3.png
Graph of the whole summer:
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2...hunter2gq8.png
:heart:
Special shoutout to Trip for his excelent rb services and AIM conversational skilz. Also to aislephise for going through bad beat hands with me and general chats. Also to boindino and pelion and some others I cant remember at this moment.
Nice work.
:( @ $25k of rake paid over the summer.
nice stats irish
Sup man?
Having played with you a fair amount as well as seeing a lot of your HH's / posts it's obvious you're a very good solid player. It's hard to say why exactly you struggled as much as you did in terms of upping your winrate. Perhaps your game selection was poor, which many people fall in that category. You can boost your winrate dramatically by practicing good table selection. A lot of little things among your postflop play maybe need to be tweaked as well. Who knows, you might be making too many hero calls or paying off too much. It's really hard to say. You do have great work ethic and dedication and I really think you have a very bright future. While you fell short of your goal you accomplished a lot and gained a lot of experience and became a much better player. You have quite a bit to be proud of and a lot to look forward to. I love your blog personally and <3 frequent updates, so don't dissapoint me. :)
Have fun on Party without me.
Been moving up to college and other shit over the last while, no time to play poker. Actually I don't even have a computer at the moment. I'll update again when something happens PLEASE don't hit me Carrick!!!!??
Played my first session in a long while today since I'm home for the weekend and I have my computer back. Did ok, made a bit of cash. Not sure exactly how much because my stupid PT is being tempermental but about $800. Got $1.3k rb and $730 off party too so all in all it was a profitable day.
Party is sooo soft now that all the American regs are gone. Looks like this new law is actually the best thing ever! Sucks to be american!
BR is like 11k now. Hopefully I can run good for another while and have a smooth transition back up to 400NL.
YAY finally I can write something in this thing again. PLayed a couple of hands over the last couple of days since I bought my own internet connection which I had to get because my college firewall is a big bully!
Played some 400NL today for some reason. Not sure if it was a good idea cos I only have like 25 buyins for it but it worked out ok. Only lost like $400 and I felt like I played well.
I think the 400NL is alot softer now that all the regs are gone so I think I might be staying there if I can keep the variance down. I'm just sick of the grind at 200NL and the fact that Party is being a retard and limiting me to 6 tables has hurt my hourly rate at 200NL. So I'm gonna play some 400NL and try and get better at poker. See how it goes.
I wanted to post a hand but my PT is being a bitch.
Hey Irisheyes, that was a great read. Saw a link from boards and have been reading it on and off all day!
Finally got to the end, and as much as I was hoping that you'd by some miracle hit your 75k, I'm still glad that you came out of it the wiser man. I think if you take a step back and look at what you accomplished you would be quite happy.
I'm building a BR myself at the moment, and I hope to make my goal 75k like you did one day soon.
Well done, thanks for the read.
Peeko
Thanks amillion for reading Peeko. It's good to see a familliar name from boards coming over to FTR. You should stick around, this is a great site with friendly people and good advice. Contact me on MSN if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by peeko
So I was up at 4am last night (as you do) and I decided I'd try and do my first EV calculation ever. I explain what I'm doing as I go along and why I'm doing it.
If you would like to discuss any part of this analysis (aka show me where I went wrong) please feel free to do so in this thread. I'd especially like criticism of the various assumptions I make later on in the calculations. Also much thanks to arkana for helping me to get some of the figures right.
The Situation
The situation it relates to is calculating the EV of floating with gutshot draws.
Say this is 100NL 6max with effective stacks of $100.
Opponent in UTG+1 raises to $4.
We call OTB with 6 :heart: 7 :heart: .
Blinds fold.
Pot: $9.50
Flop: J :heart: 3 :diamond: 4 :spade:
Opponent bets $7.
Our decision wheather or not to call $7 into a $16.50 pot with a gutshot.
How do we go about calculating the EV of this call?
To be able to tell what we should do, we need to look at what could happen on the turn if we decide to call. There is one major factor which will influence the action on the turn, that is wheather or not we hit our gutshot.
We have 4 outs to hit our GS which means that out chances of hitting are roughly 8%. Lets start creating our equation.
EV = (chance we miss our GS)(turn action 1) + (chance we hit our GS)(turn action 2)
EV = (0.92)(turn action 1) + (0.08)(turn action 2)
Now we must examine the various actions that could occur on the turn card. Our opponent has four options available to him on the turn:
1) He can lead out,
2) He can check with the intention of folding,
3) He can check with the intention of raising,
4) He can check with the intention of calling.
I'm going to make some assumptions now in order to simplify the equation a bit.
1) I'm assuming that when we get checkraised we are blown off our hand, in a pot odds sense.
2) Everytime our opponent checks the turn, we bet $16 in attempt to take the pot.
3) When we get check/called we have no chance of improving on the river.
4) If we make our straight on the turn, we can only win the money in the pot plus the initial lead bet, call or check/raise. In other words, if we get check/called on the turn, we cannot amke any more money on the river.
The turn actions when we miss our draw are as follows:
(x)(-$7) <-- y is the % of times the villan leads the turn. We fold, losing our %7 flop investment.
(y)($16.50) <-- this describes the situation when our opponent checks the turn and we win the pot with a bet. x = the percentage of times he checks the turn with the intention of folding.
(z)(-$23) <-- z is the % of times our opponent checks, we bet to try and take the pot and he then raises, forcing us to fold. We lost our $7 flop call and the $16 we bet on the turn to try and take the pot.
(r)(-$23) <-- r is the % of times our opponent check/calls us on the turn. We lose our $7 from the flop and our stab at the pot on the turn. Remember that we can't improve on the river.
turn action 1 = [(x)(-$7) + (y)($16.50) + (z)(-$23) + (r)(-$23)]
Similarly, the turn actions when we hit our draw on the turn are as follows:
(x)($32.5) <-- Here I'm assuming that we will win $32.5 (including what is already in the pot) when we hit and he leads into us with a bet of $16.
(y)($16.50) <-- same as in the turn action 1 situation.
(z)($101.5) <-- This time when he check/raises us, we have the nuts and we win his stack. Note that I'm assuming that he never draws out on us after the money goes in.
(r)($32.5) <-- Here our opponent check calls us when we are ahead. He calls a bet of $16 on the turn and we win that.
turn action 2 = [ (x)($32.5) + (y)($16.50) + (z)($101.5) + (r)($32.5) ]
Now, subbing in to the first equation:
EV = (0.92)[(x)(-$7) + (y)($16.50) + (z)(-$23) + (r)(-$23)] + (0.08)[ (x)($32.5) + (y)($16.50) + (z)($101.5) + (r)($32.5)]
But what does this mean?
At this point we can set about assigning various turn action percentages to the opponent.
Remember:
x = the percentage of times our opponent leads out on the turn.
y = the percentage of times our opponent check/folds the turn.
z = the percentage of times our opponent check/raises on the turn.
r = the percentage of times our opponent check/calls on the turn.
Also: x + y + z + r= 1
Here are some examples:
with x=25%; y=40%; z=5%; r=40% (A passive calling station)
The expected value of the move is -$4.98
with x=25%; y=60%; z=5%; r=10% (A passive weak player)
The expected value of the move is $4.4
with x=25%; y=50%; z=5%; r=20% (A passive, slightly less weak player)
The expected value of the move is $0.77
with x=35%; y=25%; z=15%; r=25% (A tricky, aggressive TAG)
The expected value of the move is -$6.84
Conclusion
The biggest thing I've noticed from playing around with this equation in a spreadsheet is that the opponent tendancy that effects the EV of the move the most is y, the percentage of times he check/folds on the turn. If you can find an opponent who likes to do this, then using this move on him is very profitable.
I think it's also important to notice how unprofitable this move is agains a tricky opponent who has a large range of lines he can use on the turn. If he varies his actions, regardless of his hand, it becomes very difficult for us to play against him.
Things have been pretty well for the last few days. I feel like I've been running pretty reasonably and playing really good. When I was away from poker for a while for a few weeks a while ago I spent alot of time thinking about my game and why I wasn't doing as well as I felt I should be.
Now I feel like I'm playing with more focus. I'm concentrating better and thinking more about what I'm doing as I play. I don't feel like I'm playing on auto-pilot as much. Of course, I'm probably just spouting on about what will turn out to be nothing more then a patch of positive variance. Either way, I feel positive and confident about my game at the moment.
I've been trying out some other sites lately. When party went belly up I played on for a while to see how things panned out. After a bit of time with them, I'd have to say the game has gotten softer since the American ban. All the regs are gone and there's still plenty of fish around and enough tables. Then though they restricted the number of tables I could play to 6 and I decided it was time to look for fresh pastures.
I've been playing a bit on the Boss Media network. It's a really fishy site with shit software and loads of down points like only having 5max and having no PT support. The jury is still out on wheather or not the fishyness makes up for the bad software. I'm still playing at party too and still enjoying it. If they'd just lift the table restriction I'd probably go back in a flash.
Anyway, things are going pretty good. College is keeping me pretty bust but I'm still up around $3000 over the last 3 days. I'm going to do alot of bankroll building before I move back to 400NL though. It seems I downswing everytime I try to move up. I'll try and get to $14,000 before I move up. Depending on how long it takes me.
Br = $10,911
Here's a few hands against a decent LAG who had position on me at a table tonight. I pwned him pretty good at his own game. We were pretty deep at the start too. Hands are in order. All hands are against the same guy.
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This was our first significan hand together. I was just starting to cotton on to the fact that he was LAGGY when this hand happened.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
UTG ($662.81)
MP ($358.55)
Button ($282.40)
Hero ($335.10)
BB ($535.90)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $1.
3 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $9, BB calls $8.
Flop: ($20) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $14, BB raises to $33, Hero calls $19.
Turn: ($86) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $50, Hero calls $50.
River: ($186) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.
Final Pot: $186
Results in white below:
BB has Th 7h (high card, ace).
Hero has Ah Ks (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $186.
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He'D run this exact flop line on me about 2 orbits ago in a previous blind battle we had. I folded that first time. This time, me read that he was way too aggro was stronger and I decided to take a stand.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
UTG ($224.41)
MP ($521.46)
CO ($57.03)
Button ($244.25)
Hero ($402.63)
BB ($334.02)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $1.
4 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $7, BB calls $6.
Flop: ($16) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $12 , BB raises to $30, Hero raises to $73 , BB folds.
Final Pot: $128
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This was the third or fourth time he'd re-popped me from the blinds.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
BB ($200)
UTG ($549.46)
MP ($254.95)
Hero ($432.63)
SB ($312.40)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB reraises to $23, 1 fold, Hero raises to $62, SB folds.
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I wanted to call this but resisted the temptation because he was too short. I'm most proud of this one in a way.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
BB ($439.41)
UTG ($271)
MP ($156)
Hero ($525.63)
SB ($193.55)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB reraises to $23, 1 fold, Hero folds.