Bill do you mind posting some position stats?
Or would that be revealing confidential info? :)
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Bill do you mind posting some position stats?
Or would that be revealing confidential info? :)
what are your opinions on light threebetting and do you do it
Renton doesn't it seem pretty unlikely that Bill 3-bets a lot since his raise/call numbers are so far apart?
for sure, but as bill is a balanced a solid player, its very possible that light threebetting is in his repertoire regardless of what his long term stats suggest.
and it also raises obvious and interesting questions about how he plays AQ+ QQ+ when facing a raise. If these are the only hands he's threebetting then that can't be good rite?
In some games, I think you can get away with only 3-betting AA/KK and still get paid off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
My guess is that with Bill's table selection, this is a distinct possibility.
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think you have all been conned.
Cocco i want to see your whole PT page
i think your just adding winning players to your aliases list.
look at his graph it shows Boonaru(PTY)+all aliases.
when he posted his winning and losing hands why did he cut out the amount won . that # should be the same as his profit that he clams to have.
and he wont post his more detail screen.
i doctored this up from my PT (i did it fast so BB/100 hands is kind of high)
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1...fb46197yl4.png
i want to see your screen that shows your aliases, amount won, and amount won from the all your hands .
like the one above.
like i said i hope i'm wrong. but i don't think i am.
HAVE A NICE DAY
lollers
POST OF THE YEAR?
LOL. Anyone who has played with different currencies and set the exchange rate in pokertracker can tell you that this currency adjustment is made in game level but not for individual hands and position stats for some reason. very well I will post full screens...Quote:
Originally Posted by storman99
I guess I'll take this as a compliment. My results must be really goood if people think I have to be faking them lol.
note that this page includes a small amount of observed hands as these are autoimported on prima nowadays.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3...ses301kdl0.jpg
The number of hands differs by ONE in the first screenshot because of this bug on the Ongame network.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6303/errorvi0.jpg
Hahaha good 5th and 6th posts storm
Of course it depends on position and opponents. If someone raises every time when folded to him on the buttom you will have to start 3-betting light from the blinds at least some of the time(all pairs AT+ QJ+, air). If a tight player raises from early position I will try to 3-bet is according to his handrange which will be pretty tight. Complicated subject I'm sure I have a lot of room for improvement here. Just as interesting is how to deal with habitual 3-bettors OOP, how oftenm 4-bet , how often call rep flop etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
Cocco, I love you most for the fact that you provide incontrovertible evidence that raising 90% of the hands you play ISN'T the only way to winning poker. It makes me feel a lot better about my own 24/14 stats. Cheers :)
I have a feeling this is someone who posts here a lot and wants to save face when proven wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Interesting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
You make amazing graphs. It is natural to wonder, but why would you go through the effort to create a 100k+ hand graph that looks like "/"? Then come back every couple months and do it again? I find it hard to believe on-line cred is worth that much to someone.
Yea well in the games Bill plays, the regulars ACTUALLY have Down's.Quote:
Originally Posted by biondino
I shouldnt really care if people believe me or not, but here are all of my losing levels my full graph over 301k hands and also January month which was my worst month since I started this thread, there you can see a real downswing..
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4775/tstatsnw3.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1886/janet8.jpg
what staggers me is that you bbs/100 is fairly high without an iota of variance.
You cant play 20/10 without someosrt of bad run evey so often.
Your graph just looks like you never run bad for any long period of time, which is quite possible, but then you would have to be awesome for that to happen right?
Its 300k hands! There are several 10 buy in 10-15k break even streaks there. Its just a huge amount of hands so ordinary downswings are hardly visible. And Miffed yes I havent had a losing month since I bought pokertracker, now isn't that disturbing!
LOL Bill you are awesome who cares fuck the haters.
So... about those position stats...
Just to give you some background, I'm wondering about your position stats because I referred a friend of mine to this thread as proof that you don't need and AF of 5+ to be a winner at the low-midstakes.
He was really impressed by your results and asked if I knew anything about your position stats...
Like I said before, it's completely understandable if you don't want to post this stuff.
thx and keep pwning. I may be joining you on some Euro sites soon :)
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you give us all hope
thank you
100% believer now
very sorry bill on my post,
but being a pokertracker junkie your tracker did look doctored up.
anyways thank you for proving me wrong.
and again sorry
storman99
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Im not an unbeliever!
Its just staggering to actually see 300k hands where you havent had a losing month, im not denying its likely if you play in the right games.
I think you are obviously god but you've obviously had a good variance 300k hands if you haven't had one losing month.
Coco AMAZING...
Do you think that your game is adapted to the type of games you are playing in? In other words do you think that if you played at Stars or Tilt your results would be similar?
Congrats on the awesome results Cocco.
One question though, could you check in Pokertracker what your standard deviation/100 hands is? It's in the session tab, more details. I'd like to compare it to mine. Mine is just above 40BB and I think my game is pretty low variance.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by storman99
no problem, I am just as suprised as most of you that i could maintain this winrate and low variance as I moved up in stakes. Wkat can I say, I've obviously had a good variance 300k hands in soft games.
From what I hear Pokerstars and Fulltilt are considerably harder post Frist, so I most likely could not maintain soimilar results. On my aliases list you do see Pokerstars alias with 30k+ hands at over 7ptBB/100. So pre Frist I'd say yes I could have got similar results there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jager
I cannot find the SD right now for some reason(knew where to find it before). Could you remind me where to locate it?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
SD is under More Detail under Sessions tab...
*warning brag post ahead*
Since last time posting my stats I had my best 3 day run ever. Much of this came from running good at 1000nl.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4669/3daysdw8.jpg
My standard deviation is 36,2ptBB/100
I cant seem to see any of the pictures that Coco has posted. Having only just joined the forum is there a setting I need to change or something?
I would love to see these stats! :P
12buyins up is sick. Nice work. I ran that good at 200nl, be nice to emulate you at 1knl :)
Actually less than half those hands are 1000NL, but thats where most of the profits came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
are you still playing on unibet? (thats the last site i remember you saying you played at) or have you a different cashcow now?
I am playing mostly on Nordicbet which is part of the Prima network
It's not pre-Frist that matters for me. It's pre-Neteller arrests. My PT graphs at PS and FT are nice and steady until that day in January. <sigh>Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
cocco can you post your misc. stats would like to see how many times you went to showdown on your pair, two pair, 3 of a kind, straights, and flushes.
thanks
coco, can we get a 12month graph if you have one?
Some of our so called ballers wont post, so be nice to see a well respected player post a graph.
I am still abroad and don't have access to my database from April to July. I also recently purged all my hands below 400nl and everything before November to keep the size of the database down. I know these can be reimported from the backup files, but its time consuming so I don't want to do that now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the Prima games between nl400 and nl1k lately?
how about your misc.stats fromyour last 310,122 hands would realy like to see then.
thanks
cocco where have you been lately are you still winning can you show a update
thanks
running like shit lately, almost a $12k downswing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by storman99
April
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9531/aprilck5.jpg
I take no pleasure whatsoever in learning that you are, indeed, human :(
HH from ~16750 plz?
Yah seriously, that is one large dip there at around 16750... damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by zook
It also think it sucks to see this downswing. I hope you can turn it around soon man, good luck!
Yeah but you probably play 50/100NL now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
downswing over! Had some sick positive variance in the last 2 days, won about $12k or 20 buyins at 600NL in about 6000 hands.
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6135/aprm3rv5.jpg
6k hands in 2 days!? wow you are rockin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
#Brag warning#
I am playing a points race for a WSOP main event ticket so I am putting in shitload of hands this month.
Today I had my best day so far in my pokercareer and am starting to feel quite comfortable at 1000NL.
These results kind of feel unreal at the moment, now if I can just keep it up the rest of the month...
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/112/14majoe4.jpg
Below is a graph of May so far.
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5231/mayii6.jpg
Not a bad day. Or fourteen days. :shock:
Congrats.
edit: Holy motherfucking shit.
wow nice job.
do you think playing a smaller site is easier then the bigger ones.
Its not a small site, its part of one of the biggest poker networks. At prime time it has about 20 NL1000 tables running.Quote:
Originally Posted by storman99
hand of the day http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4396
When I do this shit I never win :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
You'd think after winning so much money cocco would figure out how to post screen shots correctly. :D
Sick and amazing as always.
Teach me?? I'm serious. My PM is at the bottom of the page.
omg. very jealous.
How many tables are you playing at a time usually and does this vary with what stakes you are playing?
This month due to the WSOP points race I've been playing 6-7 tables at a time mixing 500NL 600nl 800nl and 1000nl depending on where I can find fishy tables. I seem to be losing the race though:( well at least I'll get a consolation prize of $4000 + RB.Quote:
Originally Posted by andr3w321
this still nordicbet on prima?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Also, it'd be nice to see gabes and other highstakes ballas graphs in comparison to coco's
Only playing about 4 hours a day again, I've given up on the race so I'll just concentrate on playing my A-game and running like a god :wink: Yesterday I took a day off for some well needed rest.
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1392/maycf4.jpg
You're sick man. Also, what's up with not telling me wether asshat is a verb or not in the chat a month or so ago? :P
sry man I must have missed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HalvSame
would you mind posting some examples of you being set under setted, flush under flushed, or similar hands? or do you just run that good?
Since set under set and flush under flush have occured so many times in my current database of 220k hands I just chose to search such situations for one hand 33. There is no magical way to avoid coolers, everyone gets them.
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4607
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4608
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4609
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4610
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4611
33 is still showing a profit.
thank you. it pleases me to see that you run normal, or at least very, very close.
and if you dont mind, i dont think it came up earlier in the thread, would you please provide a little clarification on why you think you are such a big winner? stupid question, i know.
what im getting at is: do you think it's the table selection; are you always playing against donkeys whom you know how to exploit? or are you playing against a lot of decent regulars whom you are just more motivated than and smarter than so you've figured how to exploit them via metagame? or are you pretty much robotic with your play based on hand strength/board texture/etc, yet will make not-so-standard plays due to just sensing something unusual?
basically, if you had to explain why you succeed, and explain in a way that would be revealing to your audience, what would you say?
also. do you HUD? if so, in what ways do you find it valuable?
HUD?
COCCO DON T NEED NO STINKING HUD!
HE READS SOUUULLS, NOT STATS
zomg
you don't exploit regulars via metagame, a shark is not easy to exploit at all since he will adapt his play to your attempts to exploit his tendensies. Then again there are tons of bad regulars who wont adapt and will allow you to slowly take money off them once you've noticed clear weaknesses in their game, studying their big hands in pokertracker will help you with that and occationally making raises or check raises you otherwise would not to get a feel how they react.
A HUD is very valuable for quickly detecting the big fish when playing many tables, against regulars a hud is quite useless.
And yeah table selection is one of the most underrated skills in poker, when a table gets bad leave immidiately and find a fishy one instead, no need to play the same stakes on all your tables.
One more thing, take detailed notes of regulars, this is especially important when you start playing somewhat high stakes where the player pool is smaller.
my god. I sooooo agree with everyword. Maybe i dont suck afterall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
One question thats probably been thrown a round a lot in this thread bill, is the reason you win so big the fact that you are simply that good? OR is it more the fact that you just play big games with bad players and therefore its not too tough to win big against spewy/bad players?
Lemme come out and guess that it's a combination of both of those + great discipline?
ldo halv.
Im just wondering if coco thinks one has a big influence on how he does...
I think I win a lot because I run good, I am good at hand reading, I almost never tilt, I am a nit regarding table selection and I actively take notes to adapt to my opponents.
Wow, POTW. Read it again for emphasis everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
I think it definitely helps that he doesn't get stacked in hands like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/4611
Did you have a read in this hand?? thats one sick fold... not a fold I think many ppl are capable of.
i remember hsi anser when i said that first time round.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
'i dont beat anything'
look at the hand, at non-spew stakes its pretty straightforward to fold i guess.
lol.... I guuuueeess..... still a sick fold!Quote:
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Coco, would you have been more likely to call there if another player wasn't all-in? (ie: the all-in player forced the action to be legitimate, but if there wasn't an all-in player, he COULD have been bluffing?)
woah i didnt' see he folded that first time round.
he had to think villian couldn't do that with J2, 52, 32. looks like a loose table, if so pf those hands aren't too unlikely.
Villain was tight and predictable, he wasn't playing a raised pot with 32 52 or J2, trust me.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Yeah that certaintly influenced my decision to fold. It was just so unlikely that he was bluffing here.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
If you could be so kind as to give us a few pointers on note taking and what some of your player notes look like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Jager, just make notes which help you to remember how they play. My notes could be something like ' f ' (fish) or ' folds too often to 3-bets from blinds when opening from button' or 'limp raised AK UTG' anything that you pick up is good.
I now have about 20/12 PF over my last 241k hands. Here is a full graph since November.
May was my biggest month by quite a margin but I actually wasn't running at a clearly higher winrate than my previous months I just played a lot more hands than usual. This graph illustrates that.
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8050/fulldboi5.jpg
Keep up the good work... 75k in June cocco?
oh my fucking god.
Bill, what's standard vpip/pfr stats of the tables you select? fullring if you know em.
holy shit, nice going bill. I wish more HS players would do stuff like this, its just makes me want to play more and get better.
I really table select by looking for known whales and not overall VPIP/PFRQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
even when you played smaller stakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
even then, i'd still like to know what table selection is like on non-US sites.
Why does it matter wuf?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Find a table where you know where your money is going to come from, sit to their left to speed up the process, then repeat.
How do you know who the whales are when the player pools are so big? Like at say 50NL
it matters. if Bill's FR tables have an average vpip of 30-40% then no wonder his winrate is so nice. if it's 10-20% then we all suck at poker, and he needs to write about why.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
the large majority of small stakes donkeys dont rebuy after going busto. player pools are gigantic. the large majority of regulars are decent players. the best i can do most ften is just find tables with the least amount of decent regulars and never sit to the right of a decent aggressive regular.
there are no bad players whose stats dont show it. sitting with whales or donkey is nice, but if you cant beat the regulars you cant beat teh stake.
I disagree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Tell that to my entire bankroll that has been made by avoiding the regulars as best I can and beating up on the fish instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Edit: spenda beat me to it. That's what you get for going to the bathroom mid-posting.
any winner makes his money off fish, but if he is a loser to the grinders then he will have a much more difficult time at higher stakes, no matter how much time he spends battling the grinders.
so i guess i phrased it wrong. but if you cant beat the regs at your stake then you will not successfully move up. a large number of fish at higher stakes are winning players at lower stakes taking shots.
I am +EV against most of the grinders. I'm guessing that anyone who plays loser than about 30/20 is going to lose money to me in the long run. Looking at my database I am also up against most players with 20/17/3 type of stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
But yeah no doubt about it, most of my profits come from the fish and thats probably true for any winning player.