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What's all this 19 Hands stuff?
What are AOK's 19 hands?
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-26429.htm
What do we mean when we say that we "bomb the next street"? I understand that we are putting some chips in the middle, but does the term include amount guidelines?
FWIW?
for what it's worth (fwiw)Quote:
Originally Posted by andy609
I'm bumping this one, just a little. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HalvSame
What's a 'shania' hand?
Betting it hard. From pot to push, I'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by HalvSame
*chuckle*Quote:
Originally Posted by drtofu66
Prepare to have your brain expanded:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ghlight=shania
When people talk about "top pair top kicker" is the kicker involved always an ace? Or is the kicker just "top" relative to the actual or imagined kickers of the other players?
If the top pair is a pair of aces, then the top kicker is a king. If the top pair is lower than a pair of aces, then the top kicker is an ace
(at the begining of a hand history) Player x is 48/39.
I presume this is something to with hands played?
VP$IP/PFR
Voluntarily put $ in pot %/Pre-flop raise % (from PokerTracker)
The Shocker= Ace + Duece starting hand
the best example of a nit is a guy who is new to the table but wont post the BB from the CO but instead elects to wait for his BB.
It extends to people who do nitting things of this nature around the poker table.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
um no
this is a reasonable person. And if you post you blind oop you have a leak in your game. I make a ton of money from "non-nits" who post their bb oop by raising any two whenever they do.
wtf? posting in the CO is not a leak.
No, posting in the CO is the absolute definition of a leak.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
It is a small leak, but its a leak nonetheless.
I have done this alot. Is it really a leak because I figured that CO is still good position. Now I won't post from MP or UTG but CO never seemed bad. Why renton, I need to know so that I have reason not to.
posting in the CO is a leak for the same reason that playing 72o in the CO is a leak.
get it?
I post in LP all the time. Technically, you're paying an extra blind for your orbit (half orbit, 2/3, whatever), but I find that I steal often enough after posting from here that the position advantage makes up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
why give up even a single cent of ev when its so much easier to just wait?
you guys are going to change your minds when you play 2/4 5/10 or 10/20 and that blind money actually means something.
Maybe that's the biggest problem renton. That"it's only $.25 has been my downfall before. I have stopped that from the SB, BB and on EP preflop so why not here too. Maybe it'll make opening the other 5 tables and gametime+ a little easier if I don't get involved in so many hands right away.
Great info here, thanks guys.
Leak or not, when I'm playing I play at 10 person tables. I'm not waiting 6-8 mins to post the BB, I'm damned well posting from the cutoff.
I'm losing money by not being involved $/hr wise.
Oh, and a shameless plug for my thread that's still going strong.
At full-ring this just doesn't add up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
Blinds are a pay-to-play charge and you're charged 1.5xbb per round. So at a full 10-ring you're paying 0.15xbb per hand.
Posting at CO means paying 1xbb for 7 hands so 0.14xbb per hand. A net-gain.
Empty chairs mean it's worth waiting for the BB, though.
you have to pay for the next blinds as well sir.
Only if you want to play another orbit.Quote:
Originally Posted by midas06
I mean, the last hand I usually play in any session is UTG.
What's an orphan pot?
A pot that whoever bets at it first will take down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants_101
Example: A three way limped pot with a flop of 288 rainbow.
If you make 10 BB/100 on average from the CO-UTG then playing 7 extra hands should net you 0.7BBs.
Actually they're notionally "worth" 0.7BBs, but I know what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by biondino
Saying they "should" net you 0.77BBs is like saying AA "should" always win.
Well no it isn't like saying that. The only way you can adequately value them is compared to your long-term win rate. One session you might make $20 on these 7 hands, the next you might lose $30, but you will tend to 0.7BB because that's your lonhg term win rate.
However, you can also argue that because it's your first orbit, you'll be rusty, or cautious, and you may have no reads, which maybe needs to be borne in mind.
Ok, I want to go back to value betting, because there seem to be different exlplanations out there.
First Explanantion I heard: You have a strong hand (nuts or near nuts) and want players with weaker holdings (like TPTK) to call. You do this because you think they could fold to a push and you would loose value doing so as a consequence.
Second explanation: You hold a weak hand (lets say you are holding QQ and the flop comes K93Rainbow) and its checked to you. You check aswell and the turn comes a J. Now you bet for value because you can be pretty sure your hand is good (any player with a J or a 9 would probably call a smallish bet). I don't know if its a good example, basically: your hand is mediocre but you still believe its better than your opponents.
Quote from pokrtips.org about value betting:
"Value betting is what seperates a great player from just a good player. Obviously, any person knows to bet when he or she holds the nuts. However, getting maximum value out of marginal hands is much trickier."
So, please feel free to post comments so we can get that straight!
Value betting, simply, is when you have a hand that beats the range of hand that you think your opponent will call with, and you bet it, hoping he'll call. The absolute strength of your hand isn't important, its only important that it is better than most of your opponent's range.
is lc = line check or low content?
i keep putting hand histories with lc, and wonder if ppl think its a bad beat or something instead of a line check.
low content
OK... I tried to find the meaning to this one, but the search brings up three pages of results.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...les/shipit.gif?
You win a big pot... :shipit:
You win 1st place in an MTT, the money's yours... :shipit:
Dont mean to respond to a week old post, but posting in the CO is cheaper than posting the blinds. To post in the co you pay 1BB for 7 hands, to post in the blinds you pay 1.5BB for 10 hands, so the cost per hand while posting in the co is .147BB and in the blinds it is .150BBs. Posting in the CO is not a leak and it is actually +EV in a FR game [which is what you play, right?].Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
In a 6/5max game it would be a leak and there is no reason not to wait when itll only take a minute or two before you can post in the blinds.
FTW = What???? I looked on the What the hell does XX mean and the 2 threads - helpQuote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
for the win
FTW?
-Kes
:roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warpe
Bump
We need to add Radashacked and a definition.
kthx.
New member question. I'm certain this isn't the most ideal place to ask, but is there a way to turn off poster avatars/sigs. I personally dont mind, but some are a bit too racy for office viewing. Thanks in advance.
Wow, asked like a true n00b. Thanks for the below post.
Yes. Take a look at the sticky topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by rusticity
What's "Laughing out Loud" mean?
No seriously...what's EV?
EV is the expected value of an action. Its the money (or chip) average that you expect to get out of a bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by uscheese
e.g. A game of poker with faceup cards.
You hold 4:heart: 5:heart:
I hold A:club: K:club:
The board is 6:heart: K:heart: J:diamond: Q:diamond:
If the turn is any of the remaining 9 hearts you will win. Otherwise you will lose.
The pot is $50 and I put you allin for $10 more.
You have a 9/44 chance of winning the hand. (9 hearts with 44 remaining unseens cards in the deck).
So if you call you stand to win $60 ($50 pot + my $10 bet) 9/44 of the time for an win of
9/44 * $60 = +$12.27
Of coure 35/44 of the time your flush wont come and youll lose the $10 call for an average loss of
35/44 * -$10 = -$7.95
So the total expectated value of a call is +$4.32 (12.27-7.95) so you should call since you will make an average of $4.32 every time you do.
In poker you generally want to maximize your EV with every decision.
please add AYCEB to the list
Thanks Pelion...I'm getting a headache thinking about that now.
I assume AYC means "all your chips"? I like to try to guess these things but I'm usually wrong.
kinda. Although it actually stands for "All You Can Eat, Baby" - which basically means getting your chips in the middle / going all-in.Quote:
Originally Posted by uscheese
I'll update this later when I get home from work.
what does AFK mean?
Away from Keyboard (I take it you've been on Vent / IRC)?
Crying Call?
I've seen this a lot, but I'm not sure if I have the definition right. Is it calling a raise on the river where you maybe/probably beat, but because of the large pot you can't fold?
I tried searching the forums and the contexts that I found the phrase in seem to suggest that anyway.
basically u got it.
Its when you make a call expecting to lose, but think you are good enough of the time to justify calling for the generous pot odds you are getting.
GG?
good game
havent seen cooler yet. my definition is prolly wrong. but, i see it a lot on the river when a 1-2 outer hits.
he got "coolered." or, the "cooler card" hit on the river.
the dictionary says, "cold deck." somehow i dont think thats how mike "the mouth" uses it on tv.
Cooler is the opposite of heater, isn't it? It implies a run of bad luck, whether it's in terms of bad beats or simply not getting making hands.
so, i suppose if you dont hit your card (flush draw) on the river, you GOT coolered.
meaning, you cannot "cooler" somebody when it is you that sucks out.
i think i got it. but i guess it was good for my image to look like the idiot i was when misusing the term... ;)
I don't think not hitting your draw counts as a cooler - I mean, that's the likely outcome, right?
cooler = cold deck. they both mean you have a basically unfoldable hand (given stack size) against a better hand:
example, KK vs AA, set over set, K high flush vs A high flush, 9x on a 87654 board if opp has 9T, etc.
classic example from HSP was the pot with Daniel and Gus where they both flopped sets - cooler for Gus- until Gus made quads (super cooler!).
thank you. it s the "unfoldable" part i was missing.
i thought cold-decked was playing 400+ hands and not but a very few raisable hands, given situations, and then missing flops with the few chances you get. or all your marginals being dealt to you in ep, where you know you cant play most of them. basically, just the deck running "cold" to you.
a 2nd best hand (set over set) is not a cold-deck, to me. it's just an unfortunate situation handed to you at the expense of a poker god's sense of humor.
but, i learned something today. thank you.
absolutely correct, but in terms of running cold, draws dont hit even once in a session. when hot, they all seem to hit... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by biondino
"power check" - ...?
atc = all trash cards?
Any Two Cards.
whats an "overlay"?
Cooler and cold deck both originate from live poker where someone switches the deck in play to a stacked deck, probably using some kind of sleight of hand.
The new deck is designed to have a situation where you cant help but lose all your money.
Once a deck has been in play for a while the cards are slightly warmed up by the players and dealers hands. The new, stacked deck is therefore a "cold deck".
These days it doesnt imply any kind of cheating and just means a situation where you just get unlucky and cant help but lose your money because of cards/ stacks/ situation or whatever.
A heater is the opposite and I guess the term heater probably came around later as an opposite to cooler.
in a hand of poker overlay is usually the money currently in the pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random_Hero
Example, if you are in the bb in a donkament with T7o, the blinds are 200/400/25ante, and a 1200 stack goes all in, it folds to you. You are almost certain that his hand beats you, yet you still must call because you are getting ridic good pot odds, the 800ish worth of overlay (your posted bb, the posted sb, and 8-9 25 antes) is forcing you to make a plus ev call.
Also, overlay exists in a different way in an unprotected pot when you are semibluffing. You might decide its a good idea to bet/3bet all in on someone with nothing but a flush draw (32% chance of winning when all in), you figure he folds enough so that the overlay pays you off well enough that you don't care the times he calls and you have to gamble.
Also, whenever you make any bet with positive expectation, the amount you are profiting is considered overlay. Like if i were dumb enough to propose that if you bet 1 dollar that this coin comes heads when i flip it, i'll give you a 10 dollar bonus whenever it comes heads twice in a row, then that 10 dollars would be overlay on your neutral ev proposition (flipping a coin for 1 dollar), and turning it into a very plus ev proposition.
cheers Renton :wink:
Also overlay is when theres a tournament with a guranteed prize pool but not enough entrants to cover the guarantee. EX: $100 buyin and a $20,000 guarantee, but only 120 entrants. This means there is only $12,000 in entry fees but still $20,000 prize pool, the $8,000 is the overlay.
Ido?
It's LDO, swig.
thread of boc, ldoness ?? whats this?
BvB?????????
BLIND on BLIND i think
blind vs blind. In hands where only the blinds play, since it was folded around.
Like DUH obviouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by swiggidy
And how about (e.g. someone is) ...
... tool?
... douchebag?
i guess it begs the question...now that i'm seeing it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xianti
what is "the acronym Renton hates," and is there a story behind it?
Renton hates acronyms and rants about it occasionally, hence {acronym Renton hates} or {arh}.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=54357Quote:
Originally Posted by Chopper
LDO = L D O
the 'ness' of LDO (L-D-O) (Like, Duh, Obviously)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrhappy333
What does the t mean?
ie:
hero t250
villian t950
tournament chips
TWF ??
could that be WTF? like teh = the.
what does "2 barrel" mean?
Bet (lead) with air on flop and turn
OK - heres one that always gets me.
What's the difference between "smooth" calling and "flat" calling? I'm sure I've been told before but cant find the thread.
if you only want to block some but not all avatars, you can use "adblock", its a firefox extension that lets you block individual pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by rusticity
What does felting mean? I think i know but i want to make sure
Going All-In. Taking it to the felt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lighty NCFC
wow wat a large list. Great work guys! I will read this now and then i know all about poker ;-)
Used in no-limit a lot now obv.Quote:
3-Bet = to make the 2nd raise in limit poker
No-one answered smooth call vs flat call. Also, cold call? Is there any difference between the three?
OMFG I just typed smooth call into google and found the best page evar!!! Quotes to follow...
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However, some rookie players will make a huge bet with AA or KK because they believe the rumor that if you slow play a great hand it will get wrecked. All it takes is to get screwed over once with AA or KK to make you think that you have to bet huge. This is a mistake.
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The action is to Tom and, as expected, he comes out firing a $250 bet. What now? Well, you could come back over the top of him and take this pot right now. Or you can do another smooth call and go for the kill. You think for a few moments, hesitate as if you are in great pain, and then smooth call by matching his $250.
AMAZING!Quote:
There are 2 main "conditions" for performing a smooth call, here they are:
1. You must have AA, KK or maybe QQ. Big Slick (AK) is a risk as you have nothing. A pair of 3's can kick your butt. If there is only 1 player in the hand you can try to play AK on a smooth call if you are in late position.
2. You have good positioning. Fold your AA if more than 3 people are in a huge pot preflop. Heads-up AA is only 64% pre-flop. With 3 or more it goes down to 39%. Most people won't risk their stack for a 1/3 chance to win.
If anyone had any doubt, this is a smooth call ppls.
What I like best about it is the way it suggest you can only call a raise pre with QQ+
smooth call: calling a bet with nothing invested in the pot this street
cold call: calling a raise with nothing invested in the pot this street
flat call: calling a raise with a bet invested this street
overcall: calling a bet or raise after one or more ppl in the middle have called
the extreme overuse of "flat calling" drives me completely nuts
So, for example, if someone raises(opens) pre UTG to 4bb and I call on the button, I cold called?Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton