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nate is six feet under.
also david is six feet under, not dexter
perhaps olyphant will wear on you since in deadwood, he has six different facial expression: angry, angry, angry, angry, mad, and angry. you could tell him he won the lottery and his daughter married jesus, and he'd still have for you one of those six expressions
Dude, what has happened to you? You're such a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
dude ive always been a hater. it's in my dnaQuote:
Originally Posted by boost
olyphant's acting in deadwood is more hilarious than anything. just wait until he's in scenes where he's supposed to be mad. he looks like he's about to explode
Up to date on mad men, how depressing.
I've done all the widely known great shows, back to back. It's possible that was a mistake.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1661820/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_9
can't find movie recommendation thread, so this goes here now.
What happened to this? Premiered august last year, still no distribution. Bruce Dern, John Malcowitch, Billy Bob Thornton. y u no release?
there are probably a few you havent. what have you done?
Sopranos
wire
bb
true detective
Fargo
Hannibal
supernatural
Fringe
Dexter (missed final season)
Can't remember any more.
Tried got by couldn't get into it.
I don't like shows that are unrealistic in the sense of people not remotely acting how they might unless it's entertaining I'm other ways, so maybe supernatural and fringe weren't exactly accurate depictions of the human condition, but they were both fun and entertaining. Twd fails because not only is it stupidly unrealistic, it's not even fun, the characters are annoying and they ruined something that could have been beautiful.
It also needs to be fun or cool. So mad men, sopranos, wire - cool.
Supernatural, Dexter - fun.
Six feet under : great but neither fun nor cool so I wouldn't wanna watch it.
house of cards that shit mofo
freaks and geeks
rome. carnivale. words cant describe how wrong it is that you dont like got or firefly. those four mentioned are awesome though
Boardwalk Empire, Sons of Anarchy and Entourage.
Ya freaks and geeks is awesome as is firefly but very dissapointing that they are gone one season in
shit forgot about boardwalk empire. an all time great. sons of anarchy gets ridiculous but it was fun
probably forget carnivale actually. it's amazing but all it takes is one tiny splinter up the butt for somebody to not like it. all two glorious seasons of rome are stellar tho
Can't remember if I've already said but Sons Of Anarchy was so disappointing. Ending was terrible.
well it fell off halfway through
but they did up the bro-hugs tenfold
Ya they did miss on the ending but most shows I know of ruin an ending. It was a little hard to watch at times (Ireland episodes) but I did like the shows ability to kill off main characters and push the envelope a little.
Wasn't a fan of entourage or sons of anarchy. Loved hoc.
Don't want anything with only one season unless it is was designed for that like true detective or Fargo.
I've only wwatched the first episode of both got and boardwalk empire.
Maybe u should try one of them again. I dint even know what boardwalk empire is about.
I don't think you can judge any show by a first season or a few shows. I have never followed a show until it is a few seasons in. GOT is still sitting on my laptop (seasons 1-4) I didn't pick up SOA, BB or BE until a few seasons in.
Tim and Eric's Bedtime Stories are every bit as glorious as I expected them to be.
anyone watch Togetherness? it's a new show on HBO. i only saw first ep. thought some of the dialogue was pretty great but overall it was meh, and i also disliked how the show seemed to support the absolute lunacy of Amanda Peet's character.
GoT:
(Caveat I'm only on s01e05) It's so predictable! I feel like me emotions are so deliberately being manipulated in terms of who I like and dislike that I find myself getting angry.
Admittedly I'm enjoying it more as my interests get vested (poor use of English?) but I hate being so blatantly manipulated.
It's like, these guys are good and these guys are bad, watch the bad guys do bad things to the good, now watch wile we make a god person put another good person in a difficult position because they thought they were bad.
Jarmean?
The only response you'll ever hear til you're through season 3:
Oh my sweet summer child.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvObuhT7Kpw
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the only important thing is that you're watchig got
interesting you say that because one of the most universal comments about the show is its moral ambiguity of the characters, and how it sharply differs from fantasy like LoT because there aren't clearly delineated "good guys" and "bad guys." there's really no analog to sauron and frodo, everyone kinda gets into murky moral territory (some more than others, of course) as the different stories develop.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
i also think the acting is really fantastic in this regard. from what i hear cersei is more of a 2-D bitch in the books, but Lena Headey's acting is so nuanced that she is one of my favorite characters, even though she can be heinous.. she seems to have such a rich inner life. her "evil" isn't simplistic (like someone else's, which is ok - it's believable that at least one person would suck that much, esp in that position of power). what drives her isn't sociopathic or impossible to relate to.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWire/com...s_in_season_5/
I had an epiphany in the shower about the wire and decided to make my first reddit post ever. Shit is exploding.
i need to rewatch wire
The penultimate episode of season 1 was depressing. I'm hoping for an uplifting finale but I fear it won't come.
"'Cause this shit, this is me, yo, right here."Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Well I didn't know there were fucking dragons! I probably would have watched it sooner.
I love the random use of the word "yo", yo, by uneducated Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
(i think I did that right)
Ahhhh I just read some definitions and examples. Seems the best way to understand yo is by replacing it with the word "man" and imagining an old stoned hippy speaking.
Can anyone limk me to that awesome 2plus2 thread on the wire that discusses each character in detail?
Ty Renton.
Oh Snap.
Better Call Saul premieres tonight.
Got - the hand! Didn't see that happening, although in hindsight it makes complete sense because he committed the cardinal sin of doing something nice just before, and we know what happens to people who do something nice in got.
was that before or after stannis the mannis and sweet king joffrey run a train on khaleesi?
No ones watching Saul?
i did. it's good. i suspect will get better
I watched the first two eps today and enjoyed it, not so much the intro to ep 1 but the rest was good.
tbh i liked the ep1 intro but only once it was over and i realized what it was
whoa ep2 was fantastic. better call saul is gonna be awesome
I really like how they are unabashedly making this Breaking Bad just that it stars Saul instead of Walter. Like, the theme is exactly the same, the tone is the same-- we watch as otherwise good people get their backs to the wall and end up breaking bad. I feel like this could almost read as a detraction, only that we're talking about Breaking Bad here. They pretty much figured out a way to keep making the show without jumping the shark.
pretty much
i think as long as they get a few new, liked characters that could always be possible deaths, it will be fine.
I'm surprised there's any characters left to kill after another depressing episode of game of thrones. Wonderful wedding, left me as depressed as always.
Better Call Saul feels a bit rushed to me. I'll give Vince Gilligan the benefit of doubt and guess that he's trying to get ethical Saul Goodman out of the way asap because he's got much better ideas for after.
Shameless (Uk version)
http://i.imgur.com/Fe9CRqj.jpg
about 5 episodes in on Californication. Anyone watch this? It's only mentioned once about 3 years ago. Not sure this will grow on me.
Didn't get past first episode.
I watched a few seasons then lost interest. It's much better than a lot of stuff out there, but by the time I quit watching it just started to feel really soapy with no direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Ya see, I couldn't put my finger on it. It has done nothing to grow a story or any characters. The fifth episode could have been the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
X files is coming back with original actors and director.
I'm gonna watch all 200 episodes in anticipation.
i love britta way too much.
Anyone seen Bloodline? It seems to be getting decent reviews so I may decide to watch it. Which would of course be completely illogical since I've yet to see Mad Men or Deadwood, but hey!
Watch Deadwood.
saul's so good
Yeah, I just watched e09. Shit is about to get real.
nobody writes characters like gilligan.
Yep! Great episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
I started watching better call saul, im enjoying it, actually promises.
someone has seen Bonnes? its good?
Can't deny they're doing a great job of telling a story where we already know how it ends and making it very interesting.
Better call saul is quite well made but I just couldnt get myself to care for his character as the main focus of the show so I stopped watching for now.
Mostly just waiting for GoT to start again in a week or two. Its just so far and beyond anything else at this point. Yesterday I watched Mythica:quest for heroes. I dont think you can enjoy it outside of being a total RPG buff, but were so starved for decent fantasy shows that Ill be watching the next two installments also.
bad move jv
understood that saul is not the most compelling character. mike is more compelling.
Ha, you're stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
the best episodes are all ones with lots of depth on mike instead of just saul alone.
saul is great too, but i see how some would think he's not the most compelling in the world
Saul's great. The episode with the backstory for Mike was jarring as hell and probably the worst episode of the run in many ways. I obviously enjoyed it but it was really a pure crowd-pleaser episode meant to sate everyone's appetite for Mike. Everything else about this season could have been equally enjoyed by someone who had never seen Breaking Bad. I find Saul's character to be very compelling and easily capable of carrying an hour-long show.
I like how they tied-in the Cinnabon part from Season 5 of Breaking Bad. I hadn't noticed it until I went back and watched Breaking Bad... Saul says he'll be lucky if he's managing a Cinnabon when he skips town. S1E1 of Better Call Saul starts out with him working there, but it doesn't look like he's a manager.
Ok I might check that out then. Saul is for me great as a secondary character, not so much as the main and the ways they try to make him sympathetic is too much "save the cat" playbook for my taste. (reading that book def ruined some movies/series for me but thats another discussion)Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Anybody seeing Sons of anarchy?
I watched all the seasons available to me in Mexico on Netflix... great show. So rad seeing Katey Sagal say the "p" word nonstop after all those years watching her alongside Al in Married with Children and then being John Locke's squeeze in Lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by jostone6
The p word?
lol I forget... American lingo.
True story... one of my first gigs here in Mexico nearly 20 years ago when I still thought I was "on vacation" was teaching English. Back then, all they checked for was a native-speaker accent and a pulse before hiring and it beat playing the guitar and singing songs I didn't understand the words to for free beer in bars (just barely).
Anyway, a fellow ESL instructor from London invited some of us over to her place to party one night and a cat jumped on her lap. She pet the cat, put it down, and announced, "Sparkles is such a good pussy." A few of us Americans spit our beer out to laugh, because it was so weird for us to hear the "p" word in that context.
So I've been rewatching Oz for like the fifth time now, and its interesting how viewing a series multiple times at different points in my life always causes me to reflect differently on it. Oz was basically the genesis of the one hour serial drama concept as exemplified by later classics like the Sopranos, the Wire, Breaking Bad, etc. It was the first HBO one hour series, and you can see the ensemble cast all over television ever since.
My general take of Oz since I first watched it when I was a teenager is that the years haven't treated it nicely. Lined up next to the current top TV series contenders, it has this really dated soap opera style. The violence and drama is super exaggerated and its extremely hard to suspend disbelief. Time seems super compressed. Characters go through entire emotional arcs that should take years over the course of an episode or two. Even real aspects of the penal system are time-compressed, like how death row inmates get executed within weeks of conviction and HIV-infected inmates progress to full blown AIDS within a few episodes.
It took this re-watch for me to realize that those aspects of the show weren't really flaws. I think while Oz was billed as this realistic, gritty show, its actually a show meant to showcase its actors. There's a real element of theatricality to it. The show just puts these characters in as many tight spots as possible during the limited running time and hopes they shine. Oz didn't have anything really to emulate. Filmmakers and film actors didn't really mingle with TV at this point in time like they do now, so they had to draw from theater. I believe many of the actors and writers probably had a lot more experience doing plays than doing movies or shows, and it really shows in the way Oz is put together.
Anyway, watch Oz guys. :)
Bojack
Horseman
Community is hilarious. How have I never seen this?
probably because you hate firefly
make sure to skip the season of community between dan harmon getting fired then rehired (s4 iirc). chevy chase didnt like him and like the normal doofuses producers are, they sided with chevy's medium talent ass. took a season to discover harmon is the real talent and chevy once said half a funny thing twenty years ago.
Sense8 is fast becoming one of my favourite sci-fi shows.
Can't wait for season 2.
Tapped into Rick and Morty yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Soon, soon you will share my love of Dan Harmon.
Narcos. You need it in your life!
Yeah, I'm two episodes in, and it's really solid. Seems to be a sort of ten hour version of Blow.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
If you enjoyed blow, you'd enjoy a book called smokescreen. It's about Allen Long, a guy who wants to make a documentary about drug smuggling and runs out of money mid way so gets into smuggling himself. It's set in the 70s and he does some pretty cool and original stuff right at the beginning of the smuggling Boom. Well worth a read.
started narcos. so fucking legit. wanted to say that early in ep one the narrator tells a story of how rodents choose coke over food and sleep or something. iirc that's only true of rodents in dire lab habitats. when in naturally stimulative ones, they dont obsess over coke. im maybe 85% positive on this. not terribly interested in looking it up to be sure.
It's odd that to the uninvolved cocaine comes across as being this addictive drug that can quickly ruin your life. But, maybe not so much now, but in my earlier life I knew tonnes of people who did coke all the time and none of them became the stereotypical drug addict. I think you need a lot more issues in your life than just a taste for getting high before you end up a full blown junkie.
Yeah, I think that study was shown to be bunk-- but the veracity of the study doesn't really detract from the narrative. The narrator is a character and that character is speaking while under the impression that the study is legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Show Me a Hero
Spoiler:Great from a filmmaking standpoint but the narrative couldn't have been more one-sided. The villains are portrayed as bigot simpletons who were on the wrong side of history, and the end titles flat out state that public housing was a success.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
Spoiler:Pretty sure they state that those specific public housing town homes were a success.
And I can see why the seemingly one sided narrative irks you, but it's a drama based on a novel, not a documentary based on a history book. And with that being said, do you have any evidence to the contrary, or are you simply bothered by their characterization because you agree with their policy positions?
All that aside, I agree, great film making. It's really an exciting time for cinema.
Spoiler:No doubt, many of the villains' policy positions were motivated by racism. That doesn't make their dog-whistle reasons any less valid. It is unfair for the state to impose policies that will plummet the property values of people who paid for their homes. It could be catastrophic to people who have mortgages that were priced based on an earlier valuation of the land, and now are stuck paying double what the property is worth for the next 20 years.
I'm okay with an opinion piece that agrees with the public housing side of the debate, I just wish they would have made the villains a little less one-dimensional. Aside from Catherine Keener, they were all red-faced white people with the n-word on the tip of their tongues. Even Keener's character was kind of a bimbo. The first scene with Cool Lester Smooth was ridiculous, like someone who's been living within 2 miles of the Bronx her entire life has never encountered an articulate black man before. This isn't Boise, Idaho we're talking about.
As for the housing working, maybe you have a point. But if the Wire is any indication, the townhouse units had nation-wide mixed results as well. Also, it is hard to argue that the Yonkers housing was even a success if you take into account that it took 20 years of litigation to get them built. If they'd have just disbursed the funds that it took to pay all of those court officials, lawyers, politicians, and staffers directly to the poor instead, it could have bought a lot more houses.
First paragraph:
Yeah, for sure, I think that's a good point. Even a person without any hate to let out of their heart would rightfully take issue with the fact that their property value would plummet. I wonder if there would have been some way to work that out. Like a tax credit or something.
Second:
I think you'd be surprised. I know you grew up in the South, and in a lot of ways I feel like it may be more integrated than some parts of the North. I understand where you're coming from, but I really don't think this was a stretch at all. Maybe I'll pm you some anecdotes or something if you're interested.
Third:
Well, again, I think you're kinda shifting the goal post. The caption, as I recall, said that these specific instances of public housing were a success. They showed us a good deal of details about how they were implemented and so on. Expanding that to all townhouse style public housing... did they all follow the same plan, or were there too many units packed on top of each other, or were they not integrated into better neighborhoods, or whatever else. Being townhouses was a major factor in the the planned success, but that alone, as was argued on the show, would not have been enough. For example, the low rises in the Wire were just more projects in the ghetto. If I'm not mistaken, they were actually in the shadows the towers.
finished Orphan Black, love it.
Anyone tries sense8 yet?
I did. caveat: I only saw the first 3 episodes.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Positive: The Wachowskies are really good at creating quirky and fun worlds that speak to alternative subcultures. The scifi part of the story (their psychic abilities and the way they randomly bleed into each other's lives) is pretty cool. Not hard scifi at all, very much focused on the emotional narratives of these people's lives and how the superhuman ability stuff is interwoven in their life problems. Anyway, the scifi intrigue stuff is pretty slick and cool, if a little ambiguous and confusing.
Negative: Honestly, a lot of crappy writing. Also, really heavyhanded self-righteous pedantic ideology. It's just so obvious when they're preaching social commentary about whatever -- inner city violence, police, transphobia, etc. -- it really takes away from any authenticity of the characters. It's like they constructed a scene just so a character can vent about a certain political issue -- it feels fake. The overt, not at all subtle ideological agenda totally flattens the characters. There's also some other cliched writing/storylines that are a bit of an eye roll -- sometimes they're so campy it's fun and sometimes it's just a boring trope.
What ever happened to shows like combat, ironside?
Agree with most of the criticism. I guess I kinda let it slide because there were so many characters that we needed to relate to and using cliché stereotypes was an easy way to do it, I guess it's a little lazy maybe. But I got over it because I liked the premise and the way they blended the characters together was pretty cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by aubreymcfate
It gets better. Although expect more crappy dialogue. But more cool shit too. Lots of cool shit in fact. Plus a couple of awesome memorable lines that help you overlook the shittier dialogue.
And more legs apart vag shots than I've seen outside of porn.
so good, great recQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Fargo season 2 just started! woot!
Reviews look promising.
Review is genius. It's the Breaking Bad of comedy.
Getting through Fargo season 1 now, so amazing. Saw first ep of season 2 also, really excited to catch up to it.
Oh haha, rong I misread your post. Whatever, Review still rocks.
Review looks kinda cool. Might have to give it a shot. A convenient misunderstanding.
be sure to stick with it for multiple episodes so you can see how the story arc forms. the premise might lead you to believe that it's episodic, but it's the total opposite. there's a whole crazy storyline that emerges from the different "reviews" he has to do. andy daly is so fantastic. and the tone of the show is strange too, both absurd and realistic.. it's just fucking weird. i love it.
The movie recommendation thread is on page 2, so I'll dump this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPt1am18lR4
This guy does 60 minute long reviews that are better than the movie. If you don't have 60 minutes, here's 3 minutes from his 60 minute Titanic review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMmZq0rTpA0