i can't agree with this more from a general werewolf perspectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
i think you're alright, wufwugy. i hope you are a villager and we can sweep this baby up today
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i can't agree with this more from a general werewolf perspectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
i think you're alright, wufwugy. i hope you are a villager and we can sweep this baby up today
BankItDrew
because I can
Also I think hoop flipping vanilla wolf looks good for rascal. Rascal wouldn't claim seer as a pr wolf imo.
Rascal also lived though. But I put more stock in ^ than just him being alive still
BTW I kinda think Rilla is more and more a villager now, but these are posts where we talked about Hoopy.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by baudib
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by baudib
I later clarified and said that actually, most of Kami's posts are talking bout people's alignments, which is the opposite of fluff.
rilla is within his wolf range, but the things he says are also rational and within his normal personality.
i might be leaning towards rilla being villager because i *think* there is something else he would do as a wolf that he isnt now.
Even at that, it seems like awfully fluff alignment talk to me.
Also Wolf JKDS wouldn't try to clear Wuf, I also think he's correct and wuf is a villager.
that's how she plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
she certainly doesn't PWN Ong in a pissing match as a wolf.
she's quadruple lock clear, better than a peek because peeks can be borked anyway.
You're familiar with her, I'm not. I can't know a person before having some experiences with them.
And ong won that argument outright.
Morning, ima copy my night notes here, then read through the thread for eevee and gator reads. Game should be in the bag, because i got 5 almost certainly villagers just from hoopys death.
BID points out hoopy + evene need to participate more. Neglects some players? 184
Hoopy defends Wuf 208
Baudib weird kinda post 346: If BID is also wolf, Baudib could be?
Hoopy Nulls the gator attack 350
Wufwugy HARD DEFENSE of hoopy. “never bold the hoopman, etc”
Shipit “Hoopy wolf, cuz reasons” 534
Baudib questioning hoopy as a wolf, 542. Would he really hard defend?
Shipit is first to vote him seriously 550, seems like a real post
Cory, hoopy villager for raisins 670
But…trying to figure him out still 691 (looks good to me)
Baudib again talking bout hoopy being hard to read 697
Ong talking about POE’ing hoopy at 699
Gator + BID talkin bout how they cant read hoops
Gabe wants to remove hoopy from lynch pool for raisins 813
Baudib 816 Hoopy could be anything
Gator throws in hoopy randomly in a “gabe/gator awesome” post 878
Hoopy wishy-washy on rascal as seer (lack of a plan from wolves) 924
Hoopy goes after kami 932 (deliberate, don’t think kami is a wolf here)
Baudib has hoopy in his top 3 wolves 945
ATTACKS hoopy 946. Pushes it later
Rilla doesn’t think anything of hoopy 988
Baud still pushing it 1002, 1006, 1007
Ship outta nowhere, hoopy 1037
Gator likes a hoopy lynch 1058
Baudib points out suspiciousness from gabe 1072 for dropping hoopy from a list
Ong not really saying anything about hoopy. Pushing rascal over hoopy. 1206 (TWTBAW?)
Monkey makes a weird post about lynching hoopy. Nothing really about hoops prior to this, said there was stuff questioning his villyness…weird post 1208
Ong weird post, aobut how Rascal is a wolf whatever hoopy flips. 1209
Ong REALLY defending hoopy. 1212, more likely to be seer than rascal
ong wants hoopy to arro 1219
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TLDR
Cleared
- Baudib: Pushing hoopy, seems pure
- SHipit
- Suspicious of hoopy for raisins, votes him very early, b4 it’s a real wagon but at a good time
- Corey
- (these two close together, before it looks like a wagon)
- Kami (hoopy’s only real vote, doesn’t seem like a bus)
- Hoopy-Kami w/w would make that whole exchange of “fluff posting” fake. Seemed real
- Wufwugy
- Made a hard defense of Hoopy “don’t lynch the hoopman, hes amazballs”. Weird for a wolf. So blatant.
Wolfy
- Rilla
- Gabe
- Ong
- Monkey
Kami is basically always a villager here
Take it from the people who know her
Lol I have wuf as a villager for that EXACT post JKDS. What a sick post if they are w/w.
im always a villager here. take it from me.
jkds you ignored all the villager facts about me
i also think me posting a lot makes me look worse. aiya
wait
i just realized we have the game locked up. so i dont need to defend myself. gg
how so?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
If rascal is the seer, I look really fucking wolfy trying to lynch the seer instead of the wolf. I'm a liability if I get to endgame because I could be presented as wolfy as fuck. It's a good job I'm not special.
I should eat the bullet tonight. I'm not joking. Don't waste the lynch on me though. More so because I can't be bothered to fight it if it happens.
Evene stuff!
- Evene Attacks the traitor / tailor argument. Ong started it, villager points for ong 227
- Evene claims monkey, baudib, gabe corey are villagey. Rule of 3 = one a wolf?
- Cory doesn’t have feelings over evene’s catch up. Weird thing to say if they were w-w. Cleared harder 242
- BID asks Evene if Femaile, maybe means BID is villager since didn’t Den talk it?
- Baudib has a “Evene said this exact thing as a wolf in another game”. Cleared harder 332
- Shipit has a reads list with two wolves in the orange and red areas. More reason to clear him 541
- Gabe’s elimination list has 6 people left, two of which are hoopy and evene 813. Less suspicious
- Baudib makes a “like, .8 wolves on it” comment. Less cleared
- Baudib thinks evene villager for a while.
- Rilla voices how he wants to kill evene 988
- BID wants to kill evene 996
- But, even with all baudib’s defending, moves to hoopy after
- Gabe mixes up hoopy and evene? Or volunteers evene when unnecessary? Weird 1132
Villagers
- Baudib (defends evene for awhile, but likely not a wolf anyway. Also has good stuff attacking evene. Hoopy stuff too good. Still super cleared)
- Ship (super cleared)
- Corey (super cleared)
- Wuf
- Kami
- BID?
Wolves
- Rilla (wanted to kill evene, not much of a post though)
- Gabe (I don’t get 1132 at all)
- Ong (less suspicious cuz of tailor/traitor disagremenet with evene)
- Monkey
Baudib: "Gabe, how did you decide to elminate hoopy from contention?"
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Originally Posted by gabe
god ong you're so fucking moody and self-deprecating.
several of us were right there with you on rascal, just we know the problem solves itself when left alone. ive done the exact thing you have because it feels wonderful to call bullshit on special claims.
he could still be the wolf. there are pathways for it. but it's unlikely.
I don't think BID hits on Evene ITT as W/W
wuf I still think he's the wolf but with every player that posts for the first time today, that becomes less and less likely. JKDS isn't the seer because he knows we've won if he is. That leaves kami and drew, right?
I'm just acknowledging the point cory is making. I worked hard to get rascal lynched instead of hoopy, and you know I'd have the balls to do that as a wolf. I think I'm obviously villager in my tone, but tone alone shouldn't cut it because I've village toned before as wolf. I don't want to get to final three after my close to d1, it's too risky.
I Wish for ITAs
Put Ong out of his misery
Don't say I never did anything for ya, I tried.
Also, I'm not moody at all. Just because I snapped at baudib, doesn't mean I'm any moodier than the next person. How often do you see me actually insult someone here? I think I'm just misunderstood in type. bikes would be the last person who actually pissed me off here, it's rare that I actually lose my cool.
K last few things.
Gator's death may mean the last wolf is FTR. I feel like the wolves would be 100% angel hunting right now, but if they got into a toss up like "both an FTR and a New player could be angel" FTR would pick gator every time.
Seriously though if rascal is the seer then I don't want to get to final three after trying to lynch the seer instead of the wolf.
vig please shoot me tonight if there's a tonight, it will help with PoE immensely.
no ong you're not a wolfQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
jkds this is 1132...
i did not mix up hoopy and evene.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
hoopy was on my list but i was thought i was pretty clear on who i was trying to have killed. maybe subconciously i thought hoopy had done a little more village effort than evene or something
evene seemed good because they are new and hadnt done anything for the village.
also jkds i'm trying to disagree with you about last wolf being FTR but youre probably right
youre being crazy manQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I might be. I'm not so easy to read. Fuck you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
crazy is funQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
It's not so crazy though. I'm just being realistic about this. I mean last thing we want is the vig shooting the angel. And last thing we want is a villager who insisted the seer is a wolf while a wolf gets wagonned getting to lylo. If I get that far as "obvious villager" the other villager will be paranoid, especially if the last wolf picks him well.
I am a liability at final three, regardless of how villagery I am right now.
lylo = lynch or lose for ftr'ers used to final three. I MS slipped there.
Didnt you? You did it again today. Baudib is questioning you about it, you sayQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Baudib questioning you about it yesturday, and you sayQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
LYNCH GabeQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
rascal dooby doo, where are you
I'm going out and will be drunk when I'm back.
You've been warned. Wolf should just concede to avoid the shitfest.
@ONG: The "real seer" should absolutely NOT counterclaim. I think rascal is incredibly likely to be a villager giving seer cover, somewhat likely to be the seer, and unlikely to be a wolf. Regardless, the wolves must kill him or risk getting a bunch of villagers cleared since the roleblocker is dead. Even if rascal isnt the seer, the actual seer is also clearing villagers.
Anyway you look at it, the wolves are absolutely fucked regardless of whether rascal is the seer, a lying vil, or a lying wolf.
Oh yeah there's a one in a billion chance that rascal is FPS'ing. How could I forget.
no, i'm telling you i didnt. i was talking about hoopy, then i was talking about eveneQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
jkds ive reread my posts a couple times. i did not mix up who i was talking about at any point. i could have added more bridgelike sentences but i didnt
i reread all of rilla's posts. he's the wolf. baud is right that he's off his game too much. while rilla could take a backseat in this crowd, he is doing even less than that. it's like the people in the back of the bus are talking about physics and rilla is sitting there yet not joining in the physics discussion but instead just commenting on tangentially related things.
plus he's begging us to kill him. dude hates wolfing so hard.
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Originally Posted by gabe
lynch rillaQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Wolf is in here somewhere: Gabe, Rilla, Ong, Monkey, with wolfiest on the left. Monkey's only really on here cuz I dont see much on him one way or another.
JKDS, I assume the tailor can act on himself, which means any seer results cannot be relied upon. Unless luco intends to clarify that mechanic, then we should assume seer is no more than a named villager who can confirm himself only.
The tailor can self-tailor every night
Seer has zero use JKDS
rilla lynch is fine but cmon let's wait for rascal.
lol if the tailor can self tailor the correct move would be for him to destroy his buddies then cruise to confirmed vil victory
He's not quites as zero as vanilla. Seer is self confirming obv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
If rascal insist he's the seer, I believe him because I know he concedes as wolf.
This game isn't going to f3
This game isn't going to d3 ffs
Believe in me and believe in the me that believes in you
Anyway, fuck this shit.
Cider and fire awaits.
"Named villager"Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Which is nice, sure
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Didnt see that. Ok fine, they should claim then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
sure. im 75% that rilla's a wolf tho. this is how he would do it, and his utter lack of any substance about who he thinks is wolfing or acting funny is the hammer on his lack of vilnessQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
OngBonga eat a snickers.
lynch rilla
good job wuf on pointing how how the 'nah' is the supreme proof
YOurs is the drill to pierce the heavens!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
Even if thats true, I dont see why you brought up evene. I also dont see why you wouldnt vote hoopy given the two wagons, and also POE. You aint acting like villa gabe either btw, but I promised not to rely to heavily on meta this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
yeah game is over. every player has ticks on the counter that is pieces of villagery behavior. rilla has zero.
it could totally be Rilla. Reasons I think it's more likely Gabe:
the Hoopy stuff is bad. Actually it's bad for Rilla too but Hoopy was trying to simultaneously cast shade on Rilla and kami.
Rilla is not doing anything relevant but at least he's not blatantly obfuscating like Gabe.
Rilla as the last wolf on D2 probably wouldn't even bother to post.
the first sentence does not imply the second is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Cory
the seer should just pick someone the tailor would never target, and then the seer will be useful
hey, im the angel. so drop the whole gabe case please. i can protect whoever i want tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
werewolf comic https://xkcd.com/1132/
THE TAILOR CAN SELF TARGETQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
EVERY PLAYER IN THE GAME WILL PEEK VILLAGER
READ THE POSTS
Oh ffs Gabe
Too many urkels on my team
i think the fact that his posts have a total lack of substance are why he is able to post. he's not so much playing the game (because, by his personality, he feels he is unable to do so as a wolf), but he is sitting at the table, commenting in ways that are neither constructive nor destructive to those of us playing the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Whatever we just lynch the wolf today so whatever
oh yea theres only one wolf left :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
yea and if it seems like gabe vs rilla, outing saves a bunch of trouble. and i dont see how me outing could help the wolfQuote:
Originally Posted by Cory
some history on rilla: he HATES playing wolf. he has said many times he doesn't think he can do it and that he thinks playing a good villager is antithetical to playing a good wolf. the last time he was a wolf, he was basically paralyzed and crash n burned. iirc he self-voted near the end just to put himself out of his misery. normally we would have been pissed at somebody for doing this, but rilla got a pass because he's a beloved member of the forum. contrast this to the fact that he is an active, prodding, and analytical villager. he has every tool a good villager needs and uses them spectacularly. but when he's a wolf, man, he doesn't even want to play. i understand the sentiment because im somewhat similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
Because all the PRs are self-confirming and in a perfect world we lock the game mechanically if we fail to do it on threadplay
PRs outing lets the woofs know who to kill ldo
But let's just outmuscle 'em
If I had two shots I'd take out Rilla/Drew
lynch rilla
Vig shot to ong/monkey
Eh, maybe not ong
if ong's a wolf, it means he's trying to win by trying to lose, because it would mean he knows that rascal is the seer and that after the seer dies, ong would probably get shot or lynched or at least heavily scrutinized. a few games ong did somethign similar back when we were wolves together, but that was different. our loss was already confirmed in our minds, so as a group we all decided to crazy fps for the purpose of fun, with a teeny tiny caveat that once in a million years it could get us the win. wolfong going after seerrascal is not exactly that.
Oh that's a good claim. I know Rilla isn't the vig so that we can lynch him safely.
I dont know who I would kill after Rilla so lets hope that's it.
I would heavily heavily guess he's a villager who just picked some really poor lines to follow
He is right, he needs to be resolved BEFORE f3, because he also cannot be allowed to win the game as a wolf
So let's just win before f5 and not have to make that decision
That was about Ong
Did Drew do something villagery while I was at work or something?
Fine with taking out Rilla but dk why most of you are not entertaining Drew
yea drew is not clear...what else do you want us to say..
i'll go back over bid's posts. i remember on first read i noticed some villy things.
cory the thing about bid is, well, nobody can explain him. he does stuff that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. it has nothing to do with his intelligence, as the guys is pretty smart. but if the average ww player is general relativity, bid is quantum mechanics.
I don't think BId ever talked about Hoopy but I can't search right now.
he did say hoopy and evene need to talk more
i read 2/3rds of bid's posts and have confirmed he is a villager. one of the only reads i think is accurate about him is that he plays his cards up in a freudian kind of way. like when he's the seer he constantly posts about how he's worried about dying. well, this game he has said many times how people think he's a bad player and he gets no respect and he doesn't like it. that's his villager mind talking. if he was a wolf he wouldnt be thinking about that.
*plays his cards face up
Just got back to the hotel.
I peeked SuperMonkeyFace as villager last night. Based on the state of the game when I made that peek, I doubt that he would be tailored, so I feel pretty good about SuperMonkeyFace being villa.
I was able to read thru the thread last night, but not do a full analysis. Here's my reads for now:
Kami - Pretty much lock clear villa because of Hoopy pushing for her lynch in #932 after I hard claimed and my wagon lost steam.
SuperMonkeyFace - Peeked villa N1. Only peek to trust for remainder of game. :(
Cory/Baudib/ShipItUp - Villas in that order based on their Hoopy vote and the timing of their vote.
OngBonga - Leaning villa, I doubt he pushes my hard claim as much as he did there if he was a wolf.
BankitDrew - Neutral, no strong read on him.
Wufwugy - Neutral, I normally read him wolfy in either role. I'm not getting much of a read either way on him.
Gabe - was leaning slightly wolfy, but don't know now that he's claimed angel. ???
I need some questions answered to make a read on JKDS and Rilla.
Ong should be a villager but there's no way he should go deep.
Hello
JKDS, have you played werewolf somewhere else, or just on FTR?
Hello.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kami
I'm going to assume the wilf will keep Rascal alive to try to take advantage of his role.
he played mu
My peeks are worthless now since the wolf should always tailor himself at this point. I can't see the wolf trying to tailor someone else hoping I'd peek that same person.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
wait is it ms? mafiascum? i never played but i think that's the site some here went to
Ok, he used the term "unvote" in #1034 instead of "rescind", which could have been a wolf telling him to do that in wolfchat. I've seen this kind of slip before when you get people from different communities.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Wuf, why am I not reading you as wolfy this game? I thing that's a first.
probably because im okay with losing now, which means i dont boss people around.
LOL. Either way, I like playing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
thanks. that means a lot. you're not so bad yourself.
Day 1 Vote Chartz
http://i.imgur.com/h2EvAQ1.png
For those of you that haven't seen this chart, the numbers at the bottom are the post when the vote was made. The number on the left are the number of votes that person has. The colors are automatically assigned by Excel and don't mean anything special.
Wuf why would you think you're going to lose
Disregard this. I just checked an older game (Duck Lake Farm) and JKDS used "unvote" there.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilrascal
Wuf, are you frozen?