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For fabulousness?Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
I am an ultramarathon runner and the one essential piece of equipment I need to break through 4 endurance walls and make it 100 km without stopping is Wolford's Fatal 15.
Don't hate my style, hate that I'm better than you.
Only 3 google searches went into making that post.
I don't even...Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Almost snap-ordered, but how do you balance the perfection of wearing this under close-fitting dresses with the fact that the pretty lace edge is definitely worth showing off? Just wear the tights down around your knees?Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
It isn't the world that hurts people, but a false presentation of the world embedding itself into their perception of the world
Unless you fall over
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son of a bhyachahcahch
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OrQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
http://i.imgur.com/KwtYgkZ.gif
Your heart breaks.
....schmuffles :o
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Well done,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=C2xiKPW4uYY
well done.
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
this was linked after the video ended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=OuxryBKJx9g
This is kinda old, but I heard it for the first time today and liked it enough to share. It's a tweet by Morgan Freeman.
I hate the word homophobia. It's not a phobia. You are not scared. You are an asshole.
I've been hurt before.Quote:
It's a tweet by Morgan Freeman.
Pretty sure nearly all of these Morgan Freeman quotes you see packaged up online are fake. Still a funny quote though whoever it's actually from if that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
There are perfectly good reasons why a straight person would not want to be mistaken for being gay that have nothing to do with bigotry or being an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
What has one got to do with other?
Has a contestant on the game show Jeopardy ever gone into Final Jeopardy up more than double the next closest person, yet got the final question wrong and lost because he/she bet an amount that put them at or below double the amount of what the 2nd place person had going into that round?
I guess you have to give an example of what you would consider to be homophobia/being an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
For example say somebody mistakenly says that you are gay, and you say you are straight in a somewhat defensive manner. Would you characterize that as being homophobic and being an asshole?
I've never been mistaken myself, but I don't see that it would bother me or would care if I was. Probably just think I'm looking particularly good that day or smell better than usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Why would you be defensive? Would you get defensive if someoone called you Norwegian?
You're going down the "it doesn't matter because it shouldn't matter" path. I agree it shouldn't matter and in a perfect world it wouldn't. Maybe it's the difference between Canada and the U.S. with the former being generally more accepting. Personally I have never seen a person not immediately correct their sexuality when presented with that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Take this quote from Lebron James... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/563662-miami-heat-lebron-james-10-most-controversial-comments#/articles/563662-miami-heat-lebron-james-10-most-controversial-comments/page/10
You and I will obviously agree that is bigoted and being an asshole. But I also can 100% guarantee that is the honest culture of a lot of sports teams and other groups. If you're not gay would you really want to be ostracized from a group like that?Quote:
“We’re like family and you take showers with each other,” James said in 2007. “We’re on the bus together and we talk about a lot of things and if you’re not trustworthy, like admitting you’re gay, you can’t be trusted. It’s a trust factor.”
Heck forget sports, go into the deep south/redneck country and at the very least a lot of people are going to simply hate you. Look up gay hate crime statistics. It is rather depressing.
And what if you are single and looking for women... are you really ok with being thought of as gay? Can you see why there is a difference between being gay and being a Norwegian?
You can support gay rights, or not give a #### who gets married, have gay friends etc. and yet still affirmatively want it to be known that you are straight. That was my point with my previous quote, "There are perfectly good reasons why a straight person would not want to be mistaken for being gay that have nothing to do with bigotry or being an asshole."
Yes, this just happened in the teen tournament last week. I forget the exact amounts, but first place had more than double that of second. Everyone went all-in and got the question wrong, so none of them moved on to the next round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Edit: Wait nevermind he didn't have more than double second place, but it was still the worst wager I've ever seen. Here's the clip:
This was in the quarter finals, and they were taking 4 wild card spots. So you didn't have to win to get into the semis. His $16,400 was very likely to be enough to get him into the semis, regardless of the outcome of this.
Being defensive if someone mislabels you as "gay" isn't homophobic. For many people, their sexuality is a core part of their identity, and challenging that causes them to defend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
But homophobic definitely describes Lebron's quote, and hate crimes, etc. And those actions definitely fall into the category of "asshole", too.
I'm sure if you spend time looking for boundaries of the concept you'll find reason to argue that homophobia is OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
That is interesting but still a lot more convoluted than the scenario I was thinking of (i.e. 3 person game, winner advances to play again and the losers don't)Quote:
Originally Posted by JL
I support people doing whatever the poop they like and cannot fathom why anybody would care if other people were gay or not and so on and so forth, ie. I subscribe to the sane side of the whole issue.
However, when watching Omar kiss his boy in The Wire I feel, iunno, repulsed is way too strong a word but it was definitely uncomfortable. What's that about?
I also then feel guilty about feeling that.
I'm sure if you set out trying to find examples of something you are going to find it as well. If you just want to hide behind the cloak of uncertainty behind a very general/vague word so be it. Maybe you just realize that what I wrote is so clearly right that you can't argue it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Let's put it this way. A lot of gay people are afraid to come out of the closet (i.e. lie) for some of the exact reasons that I wrote. I'm not saying that is wrong, and I'm not going to pretend to know what it is like to have to hide something important about yourself in order to placate the bigots in society.
HOWEVER,
You can't say it's ok for a gay person to be frankly dishonest, AND then blast a straight person for being assertively honest for the same reasons. I completely reject that line of reasoning.
How about you give an example of what you consider to be homophobia. Chances are you and I will agree.
Yep, agreed, but not really something worth feeling guilty about. Bill Burr does a funny bit about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
You should feel guilty that you think you should feel guilty about it.
You've seen other sex scenes/romance on television that you've found offensive. Being offended by one that just happens to be between two guys doesnt change this into a 'oh, so youre homophoboic' issue.
You're probably just racist.
I don't think I should feel guilty about it, I just do. But that's kind of par for the course for me so probably unrelated.
That Bill Burr bit is great.
I don't like watching fat people kissing either, and I don't feel guilty about it.
It's just so disappointing when you realize that you're cliche'. This is particularly true when you find yourself behaving some way without having ever really thought about the reason and motivation for said behavior... but some behaviors are just gut reactions to something, and while there's judgement (in the immediate sense), there is not condescension.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
I mean, stereotypes are not TRUE, but they exist for a reason, and you never want to think of yourself falling into a stereotypical attitude. Mostly, because it doesn't seem like stereotypes are generally well-informed. Seriously, is there a group of people who are stereotyped as having a huge amount of common sense? Wanna move there?
I've gotta level with you, I read all of your words and have zero clue what you're saying. Today's not my day so chances are it's my bad, but if you're after a response or anything you're gonna have to tie down the abstract sentences with what you're referring to.
Yeah, good point. Same goes for old wrinkly people and I'm sure countless other examples (basically whenever both parties are unattractive to me).Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
I guess I just never question my reaction to all these other things in part because there's no controversy around it, and in part because fat or old people kissing isn't an act which is fat or an act which is old, whereas two gay dudes kissing each other is an act which is gay.
But I think the Bill Burr bit basically nails it, in that you sort of automatically insert yourself into that situation in the place of one of the people, and all of these things (a guy, a fat person or an elderly person making out with me) would be unpleasant, whereas when I watch an attractive guy and girl (or girl and girl) making out, I can see how I would comfortably take one of those roles.
I hate being one of those overly whiny, politically correct assholes out there who jumps to point out any tiny perceived prejudice, but I also feel compelled to point out that if it were me making the exact post that I'm quoting, you would have probably lashed out at me for comparing gay people to fat people (typically used with a negative connotation.)Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
No I don't think it's a big deal and no I don't think you meant anything about it. Just making a point about how it's ridiculous how careful you have to tread these subjects, that's all.
I don't enjoy watching men kiss. My point about fat people was to illustrate that its ok to have preferences and that not wanting to be perceived as gay doesn't make you homophobic. I'm sure some people out there would disagree which was my point about finding the boundaries of a concept. The homophobic making you an asshole applies most of the time but there's always an exception you can find.
So is Lukie gay, fat or both? Trying to work it out but it's unclear
How can I not find the gabe shoop
(I have him approaching the polar opposite of both in my very hazy memory)
edit: so close http://www.flopturnriver.com/photos/...ve_800x600.jpg
Neither. Just playing the inner lawyer in me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
My problem with Bill Barr's thing, is that the reaction is totally different if there was no issue of potential homophobia. If the same situation occurred, but it was a straight couple and a lesbian questioning the repulsion, Bill would not go into some long rant about how hes pro-straight couples. He wouldnt even justify this woman with a response, because her stance is just ridiculous.
But because hes afraid of being labeled as a homophobe, he struggles to justify his position with examples that include how straight he is and overly emphasizes how 'gay isnt his thing'. Some of his other examples compare gay couples to ugly fat men eating messy sandwiches...which is honestly just wtf.
But it was funny, i laughed, so w/e. I just dont think people should use it to understand their own feelings.
IMO, we should, as a society, aim to live in a world where sexual orientation and preferences dont matter one iota. Gay, interracial, polyamorous, Midgets with tall fat ugly women, whatever. Society shouldnt judge you for loving the person you love, and you shouldnt feel hatred for that love.
Theres a few exceptions I have for policy reasons...like incest...but mostly we should let lovers love and not give a fuck about who they are.
I don't like the sight of guys kissing. (i.e. Omar on The Wire or random acts of PDA at bars etc.) Probably because it's so out of the norm for me to actually witness it.
But I'll never understand why people are so infatuated with hating something that in no way inconveniences their daily life. If a guy wants to suck another guys dong, how does that affect you in any way?
Louis C.K. describes it perfectly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb-JZSyhWSc
Faggots repulse me, but I wish I was gay. A gay woman, that is. With a cute girlfriend.
Dude, Louise Ck just convinced me time machines are a racist/sexist idea! IM SO HIGH RIGHT NOW, LIKE, BLACK WOMEN CANT TIME TRAVEL...THEYD BE RAPED AND SOLD AND SHIT. SO MY TIME MACHINE FANTASIES ARE RACIST/SEXIST. ZOMG IM WIGGIN OUT.
I don't get what you mean. Clearly there is the issue of potential homophobia, as you say. Do you mean it would be better if we ignored homophobia 100%?Quote:
My problem with Bill Barr's thing, is that the reaction is totally different if there was no issue of potential homophobia.
You can look at it and say he's afraid of being labeled a homophobe because that's the same as people thinking he's an asshole (ie. he's avoiding the label to help himself), but on the other hand if he expresses his honest opinion that he finds it gross or whatever looking at two dudes making out, a gay guy could easily (mis)take that as Bill Burr saying there's something wrong with people being gay and they should be ashamed of themselves and stop and yada yada yada yada all the homophobic stuff that is hurtful (ie. he's avoiding the label of homophobia to make it clear that with this bit he's not trying to make people feel bad for being gay)Quote:
But because hes afraid of being labeled as a homophobe
I really disagree with you here. He's comparing two men kissing with a guy eating messy. That's the whole point, that his issue isn't in the least that they're a gay couple, it's literally only the kissing part. Just as he explains he doesn't have an issue with fat guys or mustard, but a fat guy with mustard on his mouth is unpleasant for him to look at.Quote:
Some of his other examples compare gay couples to ugly fat men eating messy sandwiches
Calling someone homophobic with negative intent, this is no better than calling someone a faggot with negative intent. I can't help being a homophobic asshole.
And I can't help thinking you're a cunt for it, so here we all are
I'm sure there's a really good point to my last post but I can't find the words to articulate it effectively.
I'm not really a homophobic asshole, because I don't have any hatred towards faggots. It just disgusts me in the same way eating shit disgusts me. There's nothing morally wrong with eating shit, but man that's nasty.
But yeah, why is hating someone for being homophobic ok, but hating someone for being a faggot isn't ok? Isn't there a flaw here? Isn't it better to not hate people for silly reasons?
Yes, it should be ignored completely. It shouldnt be an issue or a topic of discussion. So long as gays arent treated differently, then no one should care even if a person is actually a homophobic asshole. People should accept one another for who they love, but to suggest that they should enjoy everyone's sexual preferences is silly. If someone is homophobic, let him be. Just dont let him infringe on other's rights.
Like...the beginning of Bill's video. The only problem I had was when the women confronted him about this. Honestly, she crossed a line. Who is she to decide if someone is a homophobe? Why did she jump immediately to his reaction being about hating gays instead of just aversion to surprise kissing? Her comment is a problem, and people like her are actually hurting gay rights imho for the ridiculousness of her position. Even if she was right, and Bill was a homophobe, all that could result is hatred from such a potential encounter and ostracizing him from wherever he was. Why incite that?
This applies to gay people who are overly protective and confrontational about the issue as well. The goal of lgbtq, or whatever that acronym is, should be equal rights/treatment...not the annihilation of preferences. Advocating for people to like gay kissing is absurd and attempts to block such negative feelings when seeing it is equally absurd.
Heh, ong is kinda saying what im saying.
I guess my main point is: Let lovers love, but you dont have to like it or be ashamed of not liking it. Just dont stomp on their rights or discriminate against them.
I'm just adding another level on top.
Someone who is gay. (a gay dude)
Someone who is not okay with that person being gay. (in this case you)
Someone who is not okay with that person not okay with another person being gay. (in this case me)
Why are you allowed to have a problem with #3 while saying that people aren't allowed to have a problem with #2 because people don't have a problem with #1?
What's a non-silly reason for hating someone, in your view?
But I'm ok with someone being gay. No moral issue. It's my problem, not his. But it still disgusts me.Quote:
Someone who is not okay with that person being gay. (in this case you)
But that's Bill Burr's whole point? The entire bit is calling out this woman on her response. That people shouldn't jump on these kinds of feelings as being bad if he has no ill-will towards gay people at all.Quote:
The only problem I had was when the women confronted him about this
We're throwing around "homophobic asshole" and I guess we have different definitions of it because for me a homophobic asshole is not someone who doesn't want to watch two guys kissing but otherwise doesn't care in the least. A homophobic asshole is someone who, say, tells people they shouldn't be gay or who discriminates against gay people or who beats the shit out of gay people, and you best believe that there are a lot of such homophobic assholes.
@ong then I think I've got zero problems with your stance and, as in the post above, it's just confusion at what qualifies someone as a homophobic asshole.
I'll admit there's an element of trolling to my posts, but that last one pretty much sums up where I am.
I agree with this, so long as the bolded qualifier is true. However I find the bold qualifier to be false (there are cases where gay people are treated differently by homophobic assholes), which means that it sadly at times does need to be a topic of discussion.Quote:
Yes, it should be ignored completely. It shouldnt be an issue or a topic of discussion. So long as gays arent treated differently
I'm really wanting to pour some gasoline on the fire here but have probably done that enough recently.
random question though, what is a tasteful, funny, and non-offensive way to needle a good friend about something he did that was unmanly? that's a serious question actually.
This is somewhat of a strawman. I think people should be allowed to love who they love. Others should be accepting of that, but shouldnt necessarily love the same people nor even like watching such expressions of love. Other others should further be accepting of that, and shouldnt attack this group for having feelings they naturally have which dont amount to discrimination/etc/etc. Further they shouldnt automatically attack others for such involuntary displays of disgust.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
Id rather not talk about hate honestly. Its a long and very controversial discussion. But for the most part, I dont think there is a non-silly reason to hate someone.
I can see how that might be his point, but thats not how it comes across to me mainly because I see him defending himself and his sexual preferences rather than attacking her for her shortsightedness. HIs discussion is much more about justifying his reaction rather than the stupidity of her attack. In effect, he validates the attack itself through this focus.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
It depends on the friend and his style of humor/insecurities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Edit: Ive always been a fan of calling them a women through an incredibly sexist response.
This is essentially true but for people usually receiving and reacting to them differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
In broad strokes, a homophobe doesn't think its a prescient value judgement on him where as a homo-o does.
Words are wind, as GURM says. Words are worth less than the air upon which they're breathed. They're a reflection of the speaker, and shouldn't be impact-ful on the listener.
So with your word 'intent' you nailed it. It's the intent of the speaker worth paying attention to.
Hahaha, and Bill Burr is straight up fine in this position. Reacting like ick is just how he does it. He does nothing wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
Some people just aren't ready for seeing dudes making out or hearing about transvestites struggling with mundane things.
And eventually those people will all die.
And it takes young people like 15 seconds to become acclimated to something because the whole world is new. "Oh dudes are making out? Cool. I'm gonna go play with some Legos." You think that kid'll grow up to cringe at gay PDA?
Jyms needs to move this to another thread. Nothing random about gays.
Gays are just as random as the rest of us, bigot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
chilling at quarter past midnight waiting for the council to send noise officers round, i LOVE living about a fucking garage
A homoQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
A homophobe
A homophobephobic
Why can't you be homophobephobic
- but not a homophobe
+ but be a homo?
...probably because you're a homphobe? Some people are. It doesn't really mean anything so long as they aren't actively (dicks) to homos.
(I mean ((assholes)) )
((I mean (((cunts))) ))
lessons learntQuote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
1. don't expect the council to bother coming round
2. it's very very hard to even try to sleep when it sounds like your flat is in an earthquake
this is infuriating and i am MAD
and tired
new plan, go out, get drunk, sleep on friends floor. gn lads!
Pascal, Wtf are you talking about? Can't you go down there and kick off?
I'VE GOT GAY FRIENDS BRO STEP OFFQuote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
(to answer your question though I don't think I said anywhere that you can't, I certainly didn't mean to. I also wasn't trying to make a standalone point with that post but rather just highlight my problem with [my incorrect perception of] ong's stance)
@boog suck a dick
applause for @boog suck a dick
will upload voice memo to try and explain. garage was shut. apparently faulty oil pump ran overnightQuote:
Originally Posted by rong