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Targeting dhubs w/o naming a partner around which a compelling story can be told is the opposite of detective work i.e. it's wolfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Parking a vote w/o reflection also doesn't look good.
I would much prefer a BID lynch.
What are your thoughts on BID?
Ok here's a summary of drew...
#77 confused.
#195 no longer confused, reads post - protects baudib, suspicious of keith, votes me.
#196 agrees with my position vs keith - "The village goal is simple: kill the wolves."
#201 slaps down keyb for voting baudib rather than me.
#292 reaction to baudib flip seems legit.
#296 now starts to think maybe the wolves did want control of the dead thread.
#297 daven's beautiful quote - "there is no combination of four wolves that is this stupid, so don't worry your pretty head doll "
#306 keith points out that drew is basically rewording keith's ideas.
#325 thinks keyb is villager.
#326 says he still thinks I'm a wolf despite the baudib flip, suggesting I'm trying to impress the noobs.
#334 votes keybored! Says he'll happily switch to me.
#344 change of tone with me after I suggest doobs is wolfy.
#346 likes a doobs or ong lynch, more or less polar opposites.
#414 doesn't think jkds is wolf.
#415 prefers to lynch me over rilla, tries to convince luco to switch.
#422 reluctantly hops on rilla.
#445 analyses the rilla wagon... plays down my role as unimportant while clearing himself, hoopy, luco and mojo.
#446 plays down luco's role in the rilla wagon.
#448 swings for me, despite killing two wolves.
Ok so first 6 pages drew looks pretty bad. This is taking longer than I expected, half an hour already. This fucking game. Cup of tea time, I'll resume a drew read through shortly.
See my earlier posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Are you his partner? Seems like you're slowly pushing me & drew as a wolf team.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I have said many times that drew is a villager.
Which posts, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Am I BID's partner? I really don't think so. I think there's a mountain of iffy-to-wolfy stuff BID's done in this game, and that for you to come down easily and solidly on BID as V is interesting.
I am openly (not slowly) pushing hoopy/BID. I'm really trying to avoid being "lock" on this read, because I screwed up on JKDS, and felt lock on him.
I believe it's hoopy/BID, and I've dropped significant posts to that end.
#1075, #1081, #1086, #1089
So poke holes in my hypothesis, or offer a better hypothesis.
If you've already offered your best hypothesis, then please reference, or summarize it before final vote today.
Sorry... Am I dhubs partner? I do think so.
I think he's a useless partner, who is almost, but not quite, exclusively cleared by circumstantial involvement.
I find that dhubs has been called the "weakest link" by about everyone in the thread. As ong pointed out, that makes him the easiest wolf target. dhubs has received a lot of attention from known wolves, which supports this theory.
When I read the thread, I see a lot of suspicion flying around dhubs, and some are quick to note the point I just made. Throughout the game, though, hoopy and BID seem to have a pronounced interest in dropping dhubs.
IF I'm right about hoopy/BID, then the way everyone has spoken about dhubs is reasonably sensible.
Following on...
#453 takes a shot at keyb again for swinging for baudib.
#466 waves his finger at luco for towning me.
#476 is a wall post from me where I took a look at drew... my conclusion then was wolf, albeit with jkds.
#520 mojo takes a serious stab at doobs.
#521 drew backs off me and swings for doobs while calling mojo a genius.
#653 clears luco and hoopy for rilla action.
#660 backs off me and swings for gabe, nailing his coffin.
#669 immediately comes swinging for me as soon as gabe flips.
#699 reads list - has doobs and keyb as wolves, jkds third pick.
#756 suggests luco was killed due to high village cred, which is not something I agree with.
#799 is now convinced that doobs and keyb are not both wolves, but still wants to string one of them up.
ok that's up to the end of p11. drew isn't looking as villager as I was hoping he would.
#1004
dhubs loves you, hoopy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
dhubs loves BID, too.
next post, dhubs bolds keybored and leaves it there until present.
dhubs hates keybored, too, hoopy
So what do you, hoopy, have against dhubs?
#852 swings for doober.
#906 wants to lynch doobs badly
#907 mojo easily his strongest town read, more so than hoopy.
#917 calls jkds' arooo "sick".
#941 laughs when jkds flips villager.
#942 says mojo looks like shit now.
#943 claims again doobs is a wolf.
#1009 we have a lynch preference... doob > mojo > ong > keyb > hoopy.
#1058 votes mojo early in the day when a mislynch could lose it for us.
#1061 explains his mojo vote as mojo being spastic.
#1062 fuck doobs.
That's it.
No smoking gun, but my problem is drew does indeed look wolfy, and I really can't see him being allied to doobs.
As for doobs, well he's also wolfy as hell but he looks a lot better if I assume drew is a wolf.
This is a tough spot. I'll read through hoopy shortly.
@keybored: please rescind dhubs and let ong get his reads in.
If BID flips to dhubs now, then dhubs was first to 2 votes and first to 3 votes.
hoopy could make some argument that changes my mind, but with ong agreeing (so far) on BID, I'm feeling even better about my read.
I *think* this gives us just over 4 hours, but British Summer Time ended yesterday and I'm not sure if it's taking that into account. If I'm wrong then it's +1 hr, so I'm assuming 4 hrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Can anyone clarify?
I'm reading it as ~4 hours as well.
hoopy -
#54 doesn't want to lynch baudib because activity and last game modkill.
#55 says he could go for drew or keyb.
#85 suggests a doober lynch.
#93 baudib has hoopy as a town read already, something I considered thin.
#126 baudib reads post, has mojo, jkds and hoopy as village reads. There's surely a wolf between mojo and hoopy.
#142 hoopy calls baudib out on the town read.
#143 votes for drew, claiming nothing personal but dangerous to let him get to endgame.
#195 drew responds to hoopy's vote, gives him a wolfy lean.
#209 hoopy backs off drew.
#245 still doesn't want to lynch baudib.
#266 votes keith near deadline.
#267 insta rescind.
-- baudib hangs. Note that hoopy was lurking as the deadline neared, he shown a willingness to make brave votes at deadline, yet doesn't vote me to save baudib, even though he said he didn't want to lynch baudib. This looks so good to me.
#275 says he thought we had more time, despite me posting a deadline update.
#362 points out that doober keeps mentioning he's a villager... something drew has done too.
ok that's up to p5. hoopy looks clean as a whistle already. There's some interesting interaction with drew but for hoopy to be a wolf he deliberately let baudib hang just so he'd look good to me. Is it worth losing a wolf to avoid having to take me on? I doubt it. I'm an egomaniac, but I don't actuall think everyone's game plan revolves around me. Other villagers won't give hoopy much v cred for saving me because only myself and the wolves know that I'm a villager.
Just got a text off a friend, I'm going for a pint, back in an hourish.
Just catching up at lunch...Mondays!Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I'm totally good with letting these chaps finish.
There's no hurry and I'll be online b4 day's end.
Rescind Dhubermex
MMM has suddenly run the village into the ground. Dhuber has put the nail in the village coffin on a couple of occaisions now too.
MMM near single handedly lynched JKDS, who was a villager. And you're now going to listen to what he has to say?
Please feel free to criticize my posts where I show my reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I'm open to anything you've got that make sense.
@BID: You think I'm a wolf. So you think wolves voted rilla.
So the wolves wanted rilla dead, then?
#418 this is where hoopy votes rilla.
#419 tries to get luco on the rilla wagon.
#421 throws more shit at rilla.
#422 drew drops me in favour of rilla.
^ this can be bussing, but it looks sincere to me.
#479 hoops clears luco for his part in the rilla wagon.
#571 votes gabe insisting he's a wolf.
#572 argues doobs is a villager based on jkds' read.
#574 thinks keyb is wolf.
#670 hoopy confident drew is a villager.
I'm done to p10, will finish off after a break. Hoopy looking good.
Day ends in less than 2 hours. I want to vote hoopy, but I'll accept BID.
I don't think dhubs is a good vote today.
I don't know who his partner could be; everyone wants to vote dhubs. That makes him the most likely easy target for the wolves at this point, which is V-cred.
***
No one seems to be making sense of rilla. No one seems to notice how Luco was saying that the wolves were JKDS/hoopy or JKDS/BID just before he was nommed.
***
dhubs is showing signs of detective work. ong is. key is. I am.
hoopy isn't. BID isn't.
***
lynch hoopy
@key: If you're going back onto dhubs, then give ong a bit more time to vote.
I still need to finish off a hoopy read (will do after dinner) but I'm near certain that I'm not voting him. However, mojo firing for him is plain weird if he's a wolf. Why wouldn't he meet me halfway and try to get drew lynched? Why vote for hoopy who I've read 2/3 of and have said he looks good?
It could be mojo-drew. I don't even know if that's viable without digging more.
Village: ME, ong, key
who's left: dhubs, hoopy, BID
Does dhubs/BID make sense in this game? Would rilla hang himself, leaving them in charge?
I don't think so.
I think hoopy/dhubs or hoopy/BID makes sense.
but I think hoopy/BID is far more likely.
Either way, hoopy is in there, so I think hoopy is more of a sure thing.
I will obv. switch to BID if that's where you and key come down.
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You haven't responded to my posts { #1075, #1081, #1086, #1089 } where I make a better case for hoopy/BID.
Ok we have an hour. Let me get hoopy finished now.
I'll add it to my "to do" list.Quote:
You haven't responded to my posts { #1075, #1081, #1086, #1089 } where I make a better case for hoopy/BID.
Someone count the votes while I read hoopy's posts.
MMM - hoopy
Dhuber - keybored
Ong -
BID - MMM
Hoops - dhubs
Keybored -
1 vote each on hoopy, key, me, dhubs
key was first to 1 vote.
dhubs was first to 2 votes.
just under an hour to go.
Looky here...I don't trust this world zone time hop guessing game enough to put my neck on it. I'm sitting on the L-1 vote right now and I'm afraid Wuf could swoop in any second. So, times up as far as I'm concerned. Back to my original position...
Lynch Dhubermex
I realize this gives Ong a free ride in that his vote means nothing since Dhuber's L-1 on two votes but unless I hear from Wuf, it's way too close for me to hang my ass out there. Sorry if that makes me look bad in the end. Damned if I do, damned if I don't...
dhuber + who?
#865 quote - "Dhuber is not better than JKDS imo". With jkds being villager this looks bad.
#872 indicates he's gonna leave it late to vote jkds.
#899 votes jkds.
#920 reaction to jkds arooo is a gif, giving nothing away.
#938 reaction to jkds village flip is fuuuuuuck, which was the first thing I thought. Tosser was the 2nd.
#951 fucks off to bed, much like I did.
#981 ok here he starts to drum home the idea that jkds' v flip clears him and drew.
#982 has doobs as a wolf.
#1000 on the fence with mojo.
#1018 response to mojo feels village.
#1019 does some digging and gives mojo some v points, feels villager again.
#1034 insists doobs has to go and drew is village.
#1040 now it's doobs/keyb.
#1066 insists mojo is a bad lynch.
#1097 votes doober.
#1098 isn't shifting.
Ok I'm done. I'm seeing villager more than wolf. Let me look now at those posts you wanted me to look at.
Ok I've looked at those posts again. Basically it's a plausible theory, but it's also assumption heavy. There's no smoking gun, it's all circumstancial.
My problem is hoopy has played near perfectly if he's a wolf. Yes he's good but I'm not sure he's this good. He just feels like hoopy. That in itself is kinda weird because hoopy normally has a natural wolfy aura about him. But I guess he made a friend d1 when he didn't save baudib, and he reinforced that d2 when he turned on rilla.
I can't see hoopy being a wolf, and if he is, I think it's gg.
Is it just us three online? Where's hoopy?
Dhuber/BIDQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I'm going Dhuber cuz in the off chance that's wrong, we'd be better off with BID alive tomorrow than without.
I don't see how I have any choice, then.
rescind hoopy lynch BankItDrew
I'm still about. Just finished eating.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I was just about to vote drew.
What's your thoughts since you last posted?
They haven't really changed, this day has been very tiring with all the analysis and thread reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I just can't get away from BID being a villager and dhubs being a wolf, I've read and reread but just can't see a reason why it's not so. If I'm wrong then the wolves have played an excellent game.
What more do you want from me? You let this slide to the final second when there's no time left for us to discuss my case or your case.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What is your case, anyway?
My case on you? Or who? I've explained my reads in plenty of deatil, I haven't got time now to go further into detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
mmm - bid
key - dhubs
hoops - dhubs
bid - mmm
dhubs - key
nobody - ong
bid - 1
dhubs - 2
mmm - 1
key - 1
10 min left
A lot of my theories are based on the wolves not being bothered about controlling the dead thread N1. All the evidence points to that being the case. If that's wrong though then some of my reads are wrong as well.
Who is the pair, ong?
BID/who?
lynch doobs
I don't think there's a wolf between hoopy and keyb. So it's two of three, and doobs is the biggest liability tomorrow with his insta voting.
you or doobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
me
Maybe you and doobs.
*cringe*
Maybe. idk mojo I'm a villager and as such lack concrete information.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Noone else is gonna vote drew so it doesn't matter anyway. If I voted for him he's 2-2 with doobs and doobs tiebreaks.
What do we learn when dhubs dies? Neither flip tells us anything.
ong played this weekend like an absolute wolf. pretending involvement, but ignoring an obvious hard-working detective.
Playing all his reads down to the final second when no one can contest them.
Is it seriously ong/hoopy?
Well this is exciting.
How does his flip tell us nothing? If he's a wolf that clears me and hoopy, right?
Ong, you said my theory was plausible. What more can a villager offer?
You could have torn it apart hours ago, but you ignored it till a few minutes ago when there's no time to discuss.
Ong... what are about?
Your behavior this weekend, ong trumps any false-cred you may attampt to claim if dhubs is wolf.
You have hobbled your team as bad as dhubs.
Plausible theories do not make for a locked case.
And what if I vote drew? What then? The exact same thing happens, because drew was unlikely to get a 3rd vote.
What sealed it for me is the idea that doober might be a villager who fucks it all up tomorrow by insta voting for whoever. Or he's a wolf. Whatever. One way or another he had to go.
Well it's nice to see you're already eyeing me up for tomorrow before doobs even flips.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I'll tell you who's gonna insta- bold tomorrow.
Me on ong.
Even if doobs is a wolf?
we'll see, wont we.
Maybe I just self lynch
If dhubs is wolf, and GA saves, I def self lynch
wtf is this talk of self lynch?
Appeal to emotion.
Dude, if dhubs is a wolf, and GA saves, then it's either win or revive.
Is wuf even online? I'm getting bored of mashing f5.
lynch mojo
Just practising.
meh don't tempt me.
If I had faith in you to read your own words or give a shit about encouraging villager debate, then I'd self lynch to prove to you that you need to pay attention.
You don't care, though.
You literally put me off all weekend, then ignored me when I put together a hypothesis that covers all of the strangeness ITT.
There is no less villagery behavior.
Let's talk about how vilagery I am or not after doobs' flip. If I'm 3/4 then I can afford to mock you rather than actually have to explain myself properly.
And yes, I care about people threatening to self lynch. Because it's one of two things - a villager doing something massively unvillagery, or a wolf appealing to emotion.
I put you off all weekend? Thanks mojo. I've put in a lot more hours than everyone except you and keyb, while still finding time to have a drink.
Then you ignored everything I had to say until the last minute, when you shrugged off a complex argument without saying when and where it goes wrong.
rescind mmm lynch dhub
You bussing dhubs when you only have to survive 1 more vote is hardly V-cred.
rescind and vote doobs on the off chance that we're wrong about the deadline.
I'm so happy dhub is finally getting the rope. Bout time you guys listened to me.
I'm not piling on for village cred. Just doing it because I can.
Dhubs be hubbin no mo
The LivingMMM
Ong
BID
Hoops
Keybored
The Dead
A crazy, themed game (or ur mam)
baudib
keith
rilla
daven
gabe
luco
jkds
dhubs
The Village
3 villagers
2 wolves
3 ghost angels!
Night 5 now. Got 24 hours to getcha getcha getcha feels at me. Talk is Murica!
oh.... it's 2 more votes if dhubs is W
Oh big surprise.
And we're fucked.
I don't know who my team is but you guys are useless.
dhuber strong candidate for wolfiest villager ever.
Hahaha fuck
village cred FTL
Well we can talk about this through the night can't we. I'm sorry I was too busy reading through drew and hoopy's posts to address your theory in good time. But it changes literally nothing. Would drew have got lynched if we talked about this four hours ago? lolnope.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Your theory is plausible. It's also plausible that wuf is an accountant irl. idk what the fuck wuf does for a living, he could be an accountant. It's plausible but that doesn't mean probable.
Oh.
Well fuck.
Seriously though no fucking way is drew this ballsy as a wolf.
I'm not a wolf.
Man...I been riding Dhuber's ass like a rented mule and this whole time the kid's innocent. I just reread his suicide note and I actually think the dude just gave up on us. I feel like crap right now. Cheers, Dave...good game!!
The point isn't whether or not I was right. The point is that it was all individuals saying "I think..." and no conversation.
Only one solid theory of this game was put up and it got exactly 0 direct critiques, yet no one let it sway their vote.
Seriously ong, if you're a villager, then the wolves absolutely counted on your ego blinding you to the fact that you weren't a genius who figured out 2 for 2.
With dhuber not being a wolf I just don't know anymore, he was meant to be the easy one to get.
Because maybe you're a wolf. While I'm paranoid that hoopy-drew threw rilla under the bus to get where they are, I'm also paranoid that mojowolf is fucking with my head and making me move from mojo-doobs to hoopy-drew. I took on board what you were saying, that's why I took a look at drew and hoopy. But doobs got it because he's more of a liability than drew, and he was wolfy too. I went with my read over yours because I know my read is 100% villager.Quote:
Only one solid theory of this game was put up and it got exactly 0 direct critiques, yet no one let it sway their vote.
lynch ong
Lynch mmm
He's steering this ship into shallow waters.
mojo if I'm a wolf then I knowingly jumped on a mislynch when I didn't need to. After dodging the last two. And after throwing two wolves under the bus.
I can't even be bothered to argue anymore until daybreak. If they get the kill, then epic fail, let's all blame bigred. If they don't, well we have one more chance.
And I hope you're joking when you say you're gonna snap bold me tomorrow mojo because if you're a villager then that would be really stupid.
Just thinking out loud here...So, 2 paths exist tonight: 1) W's kill NOT blocked and game over; or 2) NK blocked, 2nd protect used, Revive comes to life AFTER tomorrow (next night period). We gotta survive tomorrow!
Yah?
At one point or another during this game, I said that each of the remaining players are lock villagers haha
If I'm a wolf, then I basically did the exact same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Therefore, if we wake up tomorrow still locked in this fucking Jumanji never ending madness, then obv, it's 3V-2W. And after the first V vote goes up, the W's jump on and it's game over. Fuck! How the hell is anyone supposed to vote at all?
The way you killed gabe, and then ploughed into this doobs wagon, I don't think you are a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
It looks a lot to me like two from mojo/hoopy/keyb. Hoopy looks best out of those but I think hoopy is more capable of fooling me than keyb. tbh I can't be fucked with this though until daybreak because there might not even be a daybreak.
I'm gonna insta-bold ong.
Wait...can we NOT vote and wait for revive to swoop in and save our sorry asses????
Well I hope you're a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Sweet dreams.
You can hope all you want, but it's too late for that. If you're a villager, ong, you tossed this game.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Oh damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Pretty sure ong is a villager after what he said about me.
Hoopy never does anything except for the first few days, where he was villagery.
Keyborred is an X factor tbh.
MMM scares me because he's been 100% in day 1-2 then dead wrong day 3-4.
Just gonna go on record and say that key and MMM are the last wolves.