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Cheers for ruining the show for me rilla :'(
Shit's in spoiler tags. You ruined it for yourself.
Spoiler:The curiosity was too much
Ty for the heads up anyway boost. I like reading this thread to remind me of the stories :) Might start watching the show tomorrow
mmhmm
two weeks is about three weeks too long
Were there way less titties in s2 because all the nits complained or were my expectations just too high?
YOU KNOW NOTHING KIWIMARK
I tried to convince my friend to watch GoT by showing him the trailer to season 3. Dumb idea, he was totally unimpressed. I also told him about all the deaths, torture, fights. Not much of a reaction. Now I have a better plan, gonna tell him about the boobies. That'll work.
He sounds like the worst friend ever
Nah, he's a good friend. Just depends on a person's taste. When I about GoT to another friend of mine, we've always into fantasy together, dates way back to highschool, it turns out he had already read the books. So he was dying to see the show, and kept bugging me to give him season 1 and 2. But the other friend, he's only recently gotten into watching lotsa TV shows through computer instead of TV. And I have ~5 GB of that stuff. But atm he is more into comedy shows. After he goes through that phase he'll still have to watch Breaking Bad and The Wire. But Game of Thrones is on his list somewhere.
Btw new ep should air tonight. Can't wait!
Loved the episode. Had to wait oh so long for it, but it didn't disappoint!
Where are all the other comments about this episodes? Am I the only one left who hasn't read the books?
gooble gobble one of us
pulling a spoonitnow
21:46 <@kiwiMahk> and now I gotta wait a week
21:46 <@kiwiMahk> like im some sucker living in the olden days of television
Solid ep. All the stuff that happened was like, 'woah, how about that stuff!'
if dany doesn't appeal to her morals and burn the slave city to the ground, i'll be sorely disappoint
had a feeling giants were going to show up. had something to do with the way they were mentioned in the first season i think.
not a fan of the night's watch fighting off that horde of walkers and zombies. they didn't show it, but certainly implied it. the problem is that the horde was quite sizable, and if the band of 30 men could beat them then mance's army with giants would be able to crush the entire population of baddies posthaste
knew davos wasn't dead, that much was obvious. i feel like he has a long road before him as well.
stannis and melisandre are possibly the most exciting storyline because it has the most mystery. for all we know, she could be epicly powerful.
so happy barristan showed up. i forget where, but i was kinda spoilert on him finding dany
i still feel like the best lore for this show is having the poles as opposites where the south is a molten volcano land that birthed dragons and the north is frozen ice caves that birthed the walkers (and giants), and they periodically fight between each other, but then the melisandre thing is a new dark evil magic with no historical reference. i doubt this is the direction though. it's probably more of an asymmetrical smorgasbord of lore. if it was in that direction then the walkers would need to be less northy icey and more melisandrey evily. but ofc melisandre is very firey as is, so it looks like the lore is convoluted about which side is what, since dany is also all firey and stuff
No mention of Tyrion wuf? I thought he had some heavy scenes.
I was a little underwhelmed by everything in KL because they already have waaaaaay too much material to work with the lore aspects: dany, melisandre/stannis, snow/mance/walkers.
I think I will need to read the books because I can tell that for the show to truly do justice, it would need like 40 eps per season instead of 10. I didn't care for the Dany stuff last season because it needed so much more detail than it had gotten, and its inclusion felt like it detracted from the other more important plot points. This season, I feel that way about Robb's storyline right out the gates.
As for Tyrion specifically, something really fucking interesting needs to happen with him in order to justify keeping him central. I don't think he's going to betray his family, so I don't see that happening. The problem here is that Tywin's arrival quashed so much of what made Tyrion so significant to the story. Now if we have the sort of standard Tyrion clash with his father/sister thing that we usually get, it's going to just be a waste of time that could be spent on the several other more intriguing plots.
The show was already filled to the brim by the end of season 1, but now it's almost tripled in size, and there looks to be no stopping the expansion
My guess for the second episode is that we'll get a wee bit in KL, Dany, and Snow, while picking up with Theon, Jaime, Arya, Varys, and whatever else is left. The show is just way too fucking big.
Yeah wuf I didn't think the night's watch took on the horde, just that they clashed somewhat and lost a lot of men.
You're right, story's huge. I was hoping to see just wtf happened at Winterfell, jesus christ. Even in the opening credits / map sequence the fucking thing is billowing smoke. Still have no explanation as for how it got burned up, other than it was the Greyjoy people leaving the place; which of course implies they weren't capitulating Theon to the Starks after all, which seems unlikely.
I'm sticking with my earlier prediction of jon snow ending up banging Ygritte and then having to kill her later, such a hail mary on my part. Well given the unlikeliness of the whole thing I'd just be accused of having been spoiled via the books, so wgaf.
Also I just thought about how I was censored last year when I repeated something GRRM said about the books, and am now reminiscing how terrible of a censor that was on Bikes' part. Absolutely nothing spoiled, shouldn't have been redacted.
Playing werewolf is a good way to release stress and let go of/act on grudges.
Oh look, a game is starting up now...
Yeah so many storylines, 40 minutes is so short to cover it all. We didn't even get to see the little Stark girl if I remember correctly. And God of Death guy, but that can take a while.
Yea no Arya, no King Slayer, and no Theon. It's tough to fit more than 3-4 storylines into each ep, but the show is so good I can be patient.
slave girl's tits must reveal themselves. if theyre great she'll overtake ros as the hottest chick on the show
I should repeat that if Dany doesn't burn the slave city to the ground, I will be very upset. The entire show has constructed her as somebody who would, and her doing so would be cathartic to the audience and make her an even more formidable and likable protagonist.
A burning path of destruction for those who do not treat the downtrodden with respect needs to follow her wherever she goes.
WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS???
No better way to know if your speculation is accurate than when a bookreader on 2p2 reports you for oh so obviously having read the books
clowns
I'm a little curious as to whether Dany could understand the Valyrian the slave master spoke. Maybe she could, it would make sense if she could, but the show didn't hint at it too heavily. A case could be made for it though
bleh. you could have not said this
anyway Dany's advisor, Jorah or w/e the fuck his name is, went on about how she could atone for the morally ambiguous implications of hiring the dickless warriors by essentially treating them well so we'll see how this turns out.
If the slave city gets burned to the ground it seems unlikely that Dany would do it just because. Something else would have to happen. And now we've got the whole (awesome!) Ser Selmy shit going on that may or may not detract from the likelihood of the plot arc you're hinting at wuf.
What it is is waaaaaaaaaaaay too broad and ambiguous for it to suggest anything to you
Yes, but that could also fall into the common theme of Jorah being reasonable but Dany going against him because of her convictions, as always.Quote:
anyway Dany's advisor, Jorah or w/e the fuck his name is, went on about how she could atone for the morally ambiguous implications of hiring the dickless warriors by essentially treating them well so we'll see how this turns out.
I don't think "something else" would need to happen. We already got the somber music and vivid description of the brutality onto the slaves. We already know that Dany is compassionate towards the downtrodden and is willing to fight for her convictions. She already told Qarth that she would burn them to the ground for defying her desires. Lucky for them they didn'tQuote:
If the slave city gets burned to the ground it seems unlikely that Dany would do it just because. Something else would have to happen. And now we've got the whole (awesome!) Ser Selmy shit going on that may or may not detract from the likelihood of the plot arc you're hinting at wuf.
She is the Champion of the People and the Mother of Dragons; if she doesn't burn the Slave City to the ground, the writers are not doing what they should
BTW I don't mean to spoil you. I didn't spoil, but I don't mean to be a presumptuous ass about it
I think what we're dealing with is that smart people can post, regardless of if they've read the books, and make sure to not spoil; while dumb people can't. On 2p2, the problem isn't bookreaders, but stupid bookreaders
dat inside boob
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I think I said last season that I think A Man Has A Name is a demigod, for the main reason that his magic is way better than anything else so far: teleportation, shape-shifting, and realigning another human's body. I just now realized that since he can teleport, he should never have been stuck in that cage and didn't need Arya to save him. That means that he did it on purpose, and is testing Arya or something.
Also I'm not a fan of Barristan serving as Kingsguard to both the Mad King and Robert but now backing Dany. That doesn't jive with the notion that he failed to protect the Mad King. What it says is he betrayed the Mad King and failed to protect Robert, unless there's some strange custom where the Kingsguard is not loyal to any one king, which is bleh
Good point on Dany going against Advisorbro, now that you put it that way it makes sense
I think Kingsguards stay on pretty much always, but you're right wuf. Despite Selmy's uber reputation as the greatest eeevar swordsmanbro his Kingsguard resume looks pretty shitty with two dead kings. lul.
Im confused.
Sam pees himself, as whites stroll past him. How is he not dead? What happened with his brothers? Did they fight? Did the whites stroll past them too? WHATS GOING ON AROUND HEREEEEE
Also I didn't really string together the bit about A Man having teleportation powers necessarily, just thought he was slick as fuck. I feel like he was indeed stuck in that cage but it's hard to explain given how he's simply unable to be caught no matter what the fuck else he does. How does one catch a faceless man? Perhaps he took the form of someone who was wanted for something? derp
One more thing, I re-watched season 1 recently and I'm convinced that the undead creatures seen at the beginning - the ones you compared the run-of-the-mill zombiebros to, wuf, saying they paled in comparison - are probably another, more powerful, form of undead entirely. Probably the same fuckers who took the male newborns of that old sick fuck who banged all his daughters. Hence explaining the reaction of "holy shit you saw one of them?" when Jon Snow explains why he wants to join the wildlings.
P.S. who is that slave girl? I don't remember her wtf
I think the show heavily implies that he can teleport. It hinted at something like that through his swiftness when killing the dude after A Girl Told A Man When He Must Do A Thing, but it was only after he was standing on top of a cliff then appeared next to Arya seconds later that I figured it was true. Others say it's just because he's slick as fuck, which does make more sense according to the story, but the editing of the scenes belies that unless he's got like Nightcrawler speed. How else did a dude in like sixty pounds of armor/weaponry silently climb down a 20 foot cliff in like three seconds? I guess we'll find out
Yes the Walkers and Wights are different. Not yet sure which is exactly which though. The cloaked ones from early on are Walkers, the undead that Snow burned is a Wight, it is assumed that the horde of walking zombies are Wights while Old Man Winter on horse is a Walker (uncloaked), and I'm not sure what the dude with axe who got Ghost'd is (blue eyes, I thought only Walkers had blue eyes...)Quote:
One more thing, I re-watched season 1 recently and I'm convinced that the undead creatures seen at the beginning - the ones you compared the run-of-the-mill zombiebros to, wuf, saying they paled in comparison - are probably another, more powerful, form of undead entirely. Probably the same fuckers who took the male newborns of that old sick fuck who banged all his daughters. Hence explaining the reaction of "holy shit you saw one of them?" when Jon Snow explains why he wants to join the wildlings.
How do you not remember inside boob?Quote:
P.S. who is that slave girl? I don't remember her wtf
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Old Man Winter ignoring Sam was so blatant that I figure they're eventually going to explain it. However, they don't have to; it could easily be that the Wights only kill what the Walkers command them to, and that they don't bother killing things that are weak. When Winter Comes, it consumes all, so maybe they just strut on past the women and children as they whimper and freeze to death
Yes, 8 foot tall dude with long white hair and an ice sword.
Re: the white walker ignoring Sam, I just saw that as being similar to the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the pussy translator freezes on the staircase and the german guy just walks around him to go about his business.
Wuf, the dude ghost and Mormont killed was a wight/zombie, not a walker. The wights have blue eyes as well (references: the little girl in the opening scene, the fat dude that Jon kills, both with glowing blue eyes).
Wights are people killed north of the wall that ate ressurected by the walkers/magic/whatever. Walkers are like the old man winter.
Episode was awesome, nipple cutting was pretty well done imo.
Slave girl confirmed hot. Dany still the hottest in my eyes though.
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baaah bah, bahdabaaah bah.
lol
Game of Thrones theme on piano and violin
I bet some shit is going down tonight.
Nipple over under set at 2.07.
shit just got real.
I think Jaime is my favorite character on this show. Guy that plays him is awesome at nailing his cocky attitude.
Was taken by surprise at Theon being the one who gets tortured. My first guess was Stannis after he pompously strolled into KL for some religious reason.
Hound is the goddamn man
Pretty irritated at so many storylines. Sansa, Shae, and probably Bran and co need to die just to make room for proper development of the more interesting stories. Shae better have some crazy mega superpower because she's irritating as fuck. Skyler's a million times better
My guess is that the Greyjoy men are the ones torturing Theon. They were too satisfied after he gave up the Greyjoy name and the supposed spy sent by Yara happened way too easily.
more ellie kendrick, thanks!
I was 100% that they were who they seem to be-- Lord Bolton's Bastard's men. They even have him up on a torture rack that matches their sigil. The boy did seem to come too easily. I think that the boy is either who he says he is, and they just had to move that plot fast since there are so many, or he is an elaborate part of the torture.
I really like that latter, as we already saw the sick fucks of the Lanister army torturing apparently just for fun. (their methods seemed awful for actually securing any useful info.) First impression has the Bolton men being equally bad at securing the actually truth through torture, and that would be disappointing, since it's supposed to be their niche.
Yeah I'm wrong about it being Greyjoys. There are some reasons why it could be, but whatever; Theon was simply KOd and handed to the Boltons. Brienne and Jaime meeting up with the Boltons is also supposed to create a conflict that introduces the idea that they work together against the Boltons since in other storylines the Boltons have been rebelling against the Starks
anyone else mad dranger went all booky on us explaining the differences between the types of undead? that shit can't be discerned from watching the show alone imo
By the way - I was thinking it was indeed the Greyjoys who have Theon captive, as this is the only fucking way to explain why Winterfell was razed to the ground. I can't imagine Bolton's Bastard's men being cool with that. The motives for Theon's torture in this case are somewhat unclear.
My assumption about the spy is that the reason it "seemed easy" had to do more with screen time than anything else, but we'll see.
Also I'm assuming you guys recall that in the episode it is mentioned that Winterfell was razed before Bolton's men could arrive?
Guess I'll give the episode a second go.
Yes the incredibly vague information dranger gave can be clearly gleaned from the show. The white walkers clearly look much different and act differently as well. The zombies ravenously and recklessly attack their foes and fire kills them. The walkers stalk their foes and appear to be conscious beings, toying with their foes and decapitating them with ice swords and not only has no one ever killed one in the series, but Jon and Sam are the only living characters to have seen one. If you weren't able to make the distinction from watching then that's on you.
I can maybe understand it looks that way as a book reader, but for the non book readers, no way in hell.
And I really liked episode 2 again, only thing I don't like is the fleeing Bran Stark storyline, it just introduced some more random characters (we already have so many) and is pretty boring.
I'm a non book reader, and it's definitely something that can be known from the show alone.
s01e01, we get a few glimpses of White Walkers. They are fast, agile, and like Renton said, they seem to toy with their prey similar to Predator. Later in the series we see the Zombified dead who seem to have single digit IQ's and kind of lumber around. An exception to these categories would be the little girl in s01e01 who appears, then vanishes/moves very quickly when the character and the camera look away. I'm not sure what to make of this yet. Either it was just for dramatic run-of-the-mill horror shock value, there's a different grouping of reanimated undead, or the White Walkers themselves were behind the off-screen, seemingly rapid movements of the undead girl.
You guys could be right, that there is nearly no way that the average watch-every-episode-just-once viewer could get this. But that goes for a ton of stuff on the show. I myself have watched every episode at least three times and some many more times. I read this and another well modded book only thread on another message board, and when I watch the show has my complete attention, because there's so much going on.
If you are both a casual viewer, and super nitty about spoilers, then I'd suggest you don't participate in these threads. I don't mean that to be offensive-- I just mean that non book readers who put way more effort into the show, and book readers who really are posting in the spirit of the thread, will appear to you to be spoiling when it's not the case. Essentially you'll just always be perturbed and muck up the thread with "omg spoilers!"
So are you saying you got it from the show already, or did you figure it might be true when someone who read the books spoiled it for you? Because there is very little of the fantasy element so far in GoT and all we've been told is that the zombies are called White Walkers, as far as I could tell there was no reason to think there are different types instead of just White Walkers being able to look differently..
We were never told that the zombies (lumbering single digit IQ undead) are called White Walkers. Never.
I'll put money on that.
wight and white walkers are mentioned repeatedly exclusive of each other in teh show thus far
And before anyone claims that differentiating between wight and white is book knowledge, let me point out that many people, hearing impaired or not watch the show with subs.
He should have been allowed to make that distinction in the due course of his consumption of the show.
The threads rule should be that as far as convo goes ITT, the books don't exist. It's the only line that can be capably drawn before we start arguing over what exposition from the books is reasonable to share.
Just like what Mormont said to Jon Snow before he hanged him from the wall, "Don't spoil it for me."
I don't particularly care about this one spoiler, but there is a thread specifically for book readers, so can those that have read the books please just refrain from posting explanations of things in here? If you have all the extra information it's just going to be hard to understand what us common folk who just watch the show have gained from it. Like I said I don't mind this one but I'd hate to be spoiled about something I do care about.
It's not a spoiler.
It's been talked about in here before, by non book readers-- because it's not a spoiler.Quote:
but there is a thread specifically for book readers, so can those that have read the books please just refrain from posting explanations of things in here?
I understand being concerned with spoilers, I myself am very concerned with them. But don't try to make this into something it's not. You didn't put the pieces together. I don't blame you, there's a lot going on in the show. But don't try to restrict what I can talk about by using your comprehension as the baseline for what is and isn't a spoiler.Quote:
If you have all the extra information it's just going to be hard to understand what us common folk who just watch the show have gained from it.
There's nothing that you should mind about this one, because it's not a spoiler.Quote:
Like I said I don't mind this one but I'd hate to be spoiled about something I do care about.
I agree, the books should not exist ITT. That being said, what does the first line even mean? In my due course of consuming the show, I made the distinction, without any help from book readers. Am I, a non book reader, spoiling it for him because his comprehension is lacking?
I mean, yeah, I'd assume that there are times when the pieces are there, and as a book reader you could put them together using your spoiled knowledge, and then back track and support what you already know only with what's been on screen-- this would be wrong on the part of the book readers.
But what's nice about this thread is that it's on a small enough forum where no one is trying to be malicious, and the rules of the thread are pretty clear. There probably are some grey areas, maybe this is just a hair into the grey area... but when someone shows their work, and even a non book reader comes in and verifies that it is known, then people should probably just chalk it up to their lack of attention.
You can definitely chalk me up on the lower attention spectrum I won't argue with that. I've watched every episode once, without subtitles, and s01e01 is already 2 years ago. And I wasn't the one who brought this up, Penney did, I just chimed in because Renton defended it. But there is quite a difference between say wufwugy coming here and giving his impressions and theories and thoughts, and someone who read the books giving an explanation because then you just know it is set in stone.
I've watched each episode about 3 times as I try to justify buying the DVDs to justify the overwhelming piracy of GOT.
But I absolutely love reading the thoughts of purists who are really picking apart everything from every scene.
BluRay for the extras!
Speaking of which, if you haven't watched the extras, do so. They are up on youtube. They give some HBO approved show centric back story which is spoiler free.
P.S. If someone wants to call these spoilers, then I think they are just brain dead. These are no different from extra material or mini episodes from shows like Lost.
Well no need to get all defensive there Renton, you clearly misunderstood what I meant.
And since you and I both have already conversed back and forth about the differences between the walkers and wights, your comment comes off sounding rather strange.
Anyway, Dranger specifically said that the Walkers were responsible for resurrecting the Wights, something we've not seen in the show. I am probably being pretty anal here but as I've said before in this thread I don't think this is the place for book readers to discuss these types of things.
So don't get all defensive man, the thread is titled HBO Purists Only and Dranger's been warned before in past seasons. So he's let a relatively minor point slip, I don't care, but your response belittling me was unnecessary and quite 'meh'.
Yes the show has made definite distinctions between Wights and White Walkers. A problem from Bookwalkers comes when they do something like suggest that the only related roles are Wights and White Walkers because then we know there isn't a third category of baddie
BTW the supposed spoiler I posted on 2p2 that got deleted actually wasn't a spoiler. It was just a book reader not realizing that the information I presented could be gathered from the show exclusively.
Retrospectively, and to cover my own ass, did the show ever mention anything about the white walkers resurrecting the dead and making them into wights? Or did you guys just file that under 'something TV-only people should be able to figure out'?
I'm not sure it did directly, but some of that is implied in the beginning with the dead bodies then the "live" girl
The show definitely hasn't said that a Walker has to manually revive a Wight. We're led to believe that the one Snow killed simply just "woke up" at some point for some reason, not that a Walker snuck in the Wall and performed a ritual on him and stuff.
If the show said the Walkers are responsible for the Wights, I don't remember, but the implication is definitely strong
Wasnt jon's reason for being a turncoat something something wights with that one dude?
Penney,
I'm just championing dranger because I find it amusing to defend the universally hated. And because I believe the hypersensitivity you and jackvance have displayed for spoilers needs to be addressed if you are taking issue with what dranger said.
He didn't say definitively that the white walkers resurrect the zombies. Anyone watching the show would rightly speculate that the dead coming back to life happens somehow in connection to the white walkers or because of them, not in spite of them. He only stated the prevailing sentiment that anyone watching the show would have. He didn't state that Jon Snow's great great great x 1000 grandfather buggered Dany's great great great x 1000 grandfather and he had an ass-baby who was a white walker who conquered the north with hordes of risen dead.
Now you might take some leaps from what he said and assume that its perfect information given he's a book reader. I.E. if the zombies are some elaborate ruse for the audience and happen to have nothing to do with the white walkers, well then dranger just spoiled that. But, again, if thats the kind of sensitivity you have for spoilers, you probably should just abstain from participating in this thread.
Jesus Christ I got banned fucking AGAIN from 2p2 because I made a prediction that apparently is accurate. They have got to be the stupidest people on the internet. The first time was because of a post where more than half the predictions were wrong, but because I got like two or three out of ten right, Dids' retarded ass thought I had book knowledge. This time I posted my prediction on what's going on with the Robb storyline and its related characters, and get banned. Those fucking morons expect everybody to have no clue how to analyze TV, so when somebody gets anything remotely accurate, ban away
Well maybe if you stopped reading the books, then you wouldn't get banned all the time. Damn book reader.
Yeah, I got asked by another mod if I was a book reader, which of course spoiled something for me since they deleted the "offending" post. It was quite minor, and they do have a tough job moddding the thread, but they can be pretty big retards as well.
Pretty much if you're not a drooler, you'll guess some stuff right if you speculate. Doing so gives you a good chance of getting banned. Then they wonder why the thread is filled with droolers.
Ironically, that sort of modding causes more problems than it fixes.
I'd rather post all my speculations here, but we get such little action that I just end up going to 2p2. Won't be doing that anymore though. I think maybe now the only things I will post there are obviously idiotic ideas, if anything
Wuf I always look forward to reading your ideas on the latest episode and I don't go to 2+2 so don't hold back man.
Yeah, same here. Also I know I can count on your analysis being genuine and not poisoned by dirty, evil book reading.