Getting my money back?

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03-31-2005, 11:36 AM
dar103

Getting my money back?

Hand 1 qualifies as a bad beat, but just providing it for background on seat 6.

Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50)
Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 2: ($50.95 in chips)
Seat 3: ($25.95 in chips)
Seat 4: ($26.40 in chips)
Seat 5: dar103 ($44.25 in chips)
Seat 6: ($13.95 in chips)
Seat 7: ($7.35 in chips)
Seat 8: ($16 in chips)
Seat 9: ($20 in chips)
Seat 6: posts small blind $0.25
Seat 7: posts big blind $0.50
Seat 9: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dar103 [Jh Jd]
Seat 8: calls $0.50
Seat 9: checks
Seat 1: folds
Seat 2: folds
Seat 3: folds
Seat 4: folds
dar103: raises $1.50 to $2
Seat 6: calls $1.75
Seat 7: calls $1.50
Seat 8: folds
Seat 9: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 2s 6c]
Seat 6: checks
Seat 7: checks
dar103: bets $4.50
Seat 6: calls $4.50
Seat 7: calls $4.50
*** TURN *** [4d 2s 6c] [7c]
Seat 6: checks
Seat 7: checks
dar103: bets $7.50
Seat 6: calls $7.45 and is all-in
Seat 7: calls $0.85 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4d 2s 6c 7c] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Seat 6: shows [4h 8h] (three of a kind, Fours)
dar103: mucks hand
Seat 6 collected $12.55 from side pot
Seat 7: mucks hand
Seat 6 collected $21.95 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.25 Main pot $21.95. Side pot $12.55. | Rake $1.75
Board [4d 2s 6c 7c 4c]
Seat 1: folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dar103 (button) mucked [Jh Jd]
Seat 6: (small blind) showed [4h 8h] and won ($34.50) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 7: (big blind) mucked [Th Qc]
Seat 8: folded before Flop
Seat 9: folded before Flop

After this hand I rebought and watched him build his stack with a number of questionable plays. Basically playing a bit too loose and catching a lot of crap to suck out on people. Finally Hand 2 comes 40 minutes later...

Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50)
Seat 1: ($53.10 in chips)
Seat 2: ($51.10 in chips)
Seat 3: ($36.60 in chips)
Seat 4: ($64.20 in chips)
Seat 5: dar103 ($58.80 in chips)
Seat 6: ($45.95 in chips)
Seat 7: ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 9: ($17.10 in chips)
Seat 9: posts small blind $0.25
Seat 1: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dar103 [Ks Ad]
Seat 2: calls $0.50
Seat 3: calls $0.50
Seat 4: calls $0.50
dar103: raises $3 to $3.50
Seat 6: calls $3.50
Seat 7: folds
Seat 9: folds
Seat 1: folds
Seat 2: folds
Seat 3: folds
Seat 4: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d As 2c]
dar103: bets $7
Seat 6: calls $7
*** TURN *** [6d As 2c] [Qd]
dar103: bets $15
Seat 6: calls $15
*** RIVER *** [6d As 2c Qd] [Jh]
dar103: bets $33.30 and is all-in
Seat 6: calls $20.45 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dar103: shows [Ks Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Seat 6: shows ???

Thoughts on my betting on hand 2? Anyone want to take a guess at his cards? I'd been pretty patient waiting for a chance to get him for his bad beat from hand 1. Thanks for the feedback. Will post the rest later.
03-31-2005, 11:55 AM
Bo G

I would say Axs and only sees top pair without worry or care for a kicker.
03-31-2005, 12:40 PM
Dunk

I'll guess small pair, and one that made a set on you. He was willing to call the pre-flop raise and followed you on the others without reraises. But then, he did that with 48s last time...

But judging only from hand#1 and your couple lines about the middle, I can see why it'd be terrible to try to guess.

I'm looking forward to hearing the answer.
03-31-2005, 12:50 PM
Khabbi

JJ - Bad players hate to get away from a pocket pair of paint cards no matter what.
03-31-2005, 03:15 PM
danhole12

Quote:

Originally Posted by khabbi

JJ - Bad players hate to get away from a pocket pair of paint cards no matter what.

are you saying he's a bad player for not folding his jacks? he was way ahead when he got his money in, and was unfortunate enough to be five-outed.
03-31-2005, 03:23 PM
Pyroxene

Re: Getting my money back?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar103

Thoughts on my betting on hand 2? Anyone want to take a guess at his cards? I'd been pretty patient waiting for a chance to get him for his bad beat from hand 1. Thanks for the feedback. Will post the rest later.

I am voting for KT
04-01-2005, 09:58 AM
SteveO

something like A2 or AJ. He caught a lucky 2 pair on u?
04-01-2005, 10:10 AM
Fnord

That river card killed your equity. Seriously consider over-betting the pot against this donk.
04-01-2005, 10:55 AM
Khabbi

Quote:

Originally Posted by danhole12

Quote:

Originally Posted by khabbi

JJ - Bad players hate to get away from a pocket pair of paint cards no matter what.

are you saying he's a bad player for not folding his jacks? he was way ahead when he got his money in, and was unfortunate enough to be five-outed.

I was guessing that Seat6 had JJ and caught his trips on the river like he did before.

He had shown before that he could suck out to the river with a dog hand (JJ against two over cards).

It was probably just another bad beat.
04-01-2005, 11:20 AM
Element187

with a player like that, push the flop, let him pay to beat you.

i ran up against the same type of player the other day, he laid a ton of bad beats on me throughout the night, i lost 5 buyins to the river artist.. then i started pushing AI my strong hands on the flop made him pay to draw like that.. i won half of that back... still want the rest of it back and more from this clown.
04-01-2005, 11:21 AM
Bo G

And the answer is...???
04-01-2005, 11:56 AM
dar103

*** SHOW DOWN ***
dar103: shows [Ks Ad] (a pair of Aces)
Seat 6: shows [Ac Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Seat 6 collected $91.15 from pot

Needless to say I was pretty pissed when he showed his 2 pair. I may have been suffering a bit from the "I'll show him" attitude. I really thought I was playing so patiently that it was finally time to extract my revenge. I remember thinking of a quote I've read numerous times that you've got to stay aggressive until told otherwise. It's so hard when I know how I would play with his hand -- I would have reraised when the Q hit on the turn. Once again, beaten by poor play! :wall:

So I guess that the best way to attack a player of this caliber is to follow what Fnord and Element187 said and push sooner in the hand. This would allow me to either take down more smaller pots sooner if he folds, or else force him to make the wrong decision for more $ if he stays (since he won't always draw out on me).

Thanks again for the feedback guys.