Playing big pairs on Party

I'm having big problems on party with big pairs, i'm playing 25NL.

Generally if i get AA/KK/QQ i raise $2 or so and get 1 or 2 callers. Then i usually bet the pot if there are no overcards but then i usually still have 1 caller, what now? I usually bet about 3/4 of the pot on the turn and then another decent bet on the river, even though i figure they must have a big enough hand to beat me, today i had AA, 88 called and flopped quads and i lost my stack, i've also lost about $50 with QQ. The trouble is i'm not making this money back on other hands, the only really big pots i tend to be invloved in are my pocket pairs getting raped

any thoughts?

Care to post some histories to get specific tips?

Letting go of QQ when it's not the winner is key to making it pay off, but it sounds like you're taking that into account (as far as overs on the table). The flopped quads thing sucks. On a paired board, I'll be a bit more cautious unless I have a read on the player, but this same thing can happen with a flopped set. It's how a lot of players make their money with pocket pairs - busting big hands. I'm working on learning to spot things like this myself. The only tips I can offer there is that if it seems like someone would have to be an idiot to call your bet with a hand that would hit the given flop (and the player doesn't strike you as an idiot) slow down and feel him out.

Your bets sound reasonable in size.

I've had trouble with these situations too. From this forum I have learned that if I do not have a good read on the player I will very often be beaten on the turn with only pocket pair and should get out by cheking or folding. I've lost quite a lot betting on the turn and river with high pocket pair. Get out if your not very sure you're still ahead. If I have a good read and think they are fishing for the flush or straight I will bet big.

Thanks guys

I've been playing my party reload a lot tighter, 4 tabling so i've got more hands to choose from and basically folding unless i hit top pair or a really strong draw, i'm also calling raises with poket pairs in the hopes of catching trips and taking someones stack. When i get big pockets i'm raising $1-2 but i'm trying hard not to get married to them, i haven't lost any huge pots since i loaded the 4th table. So far i've played 380 raked hands and i'm $5 down overall so it's going ok. Pretty lame strategy i agree but theres no point in clearing $200 of bonus and only making $10 profit. No doubt i'm not getting full value out of my cards but this seems very likely to net me $200 in about ten hours.

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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB

On a paired board, I'll be a bit more cautious unless I have a read on the player

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When you have an overpair, you generally want the board to come up paired in some small rank, like 6's or 3's, since it's more difficult for an opponent to improve with a flop like this (the only remotely likely hands which will call a raise containing small ranks in them are pocket pairs, and it's unlikely after the flop has come up paired that an opponent was initially dealt what would now be four of a kind). When you're in a raised pot with a couple opponents before any action has taken place after the flop, you should be more confident when the board is paired in some small value than when it isn't. The only time you should be very concerned is when the board pair is in jacks or higher, or when your opponents aren't any good.

Low limit party I've been playing very aggressive. 10xBB with high pockets. AI at the flop if i'm overpair, at least the pot if I hit a set.

I had your problem before, but now I'm not getting sucked out much

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Originally Posted by dsaxton

The only time you should be very concerned is when the board pair is in jacks or higher, or when your opponents aren't any good.

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I fear the second one could be my problem, because you never really know what someone has i tend to expect the worst after having a few bad beats and miserable luck, especially with QQ. Still yesterday i cleared over $100 in bonus and i was up as well, i think i'm getting into the party groove, 3 quads helped as well, including 2 KKKK's.

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Originally Posted by doggz

Low limit party I've been playing very aggressive. 10xBB with high pockets. AI at the flop if i'm overpair, at least the pot if I hit a set.

I had your problem before, but now I'm not getting sucked out much

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I'm sure this is effective but this is generally going to lead tome getting the blinds which is only 35c when a decent pot can be $20

I play the NL25 tables as well. I will raise $3 just because of the new blind structure.

All cards get busted. Who knows when they flop trips or even quads...

keep your head up

I read your post and saw that you mention RELOAD and bonuses. Ive been playing for about a year now and I am not familiar with this. Is this a promotional game or something. Or do you have to download updated software.


TY

I'm sure you've heard this before, but it's only a pair. I find I get in less trouble when I treat it that way. Don't go so overboard trying to overbet the pot beyond flop. The way I see it, the hand is gonna win more often than not outright through showdown. Are you so afraid to let them see the turn and river? Chances are if they choose to pay for it, they have you beat. If they ride along with you to the turn, then don't get cocky and try to buy the turn pot to scare them off the river. Calm down and let it happen I say. If they have you beat they're gonna see it anyway. Make them pay a reasonably good price for the river, but not enough to cripple your stack if your beat. If they pay that much, then respect their holdings on that river. If they overbet the pot, then just fold. There will be better hands.

Just one man's take. Treat it like TPTK as it is most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Rondavu

I'm sure you've heard this before, but it's only a pair. I find I get in less trouble when I treat it that way. Don't go so overboard trying to overbet the pot beyond flop. The way I see it, the hand is gonna win more often than not outright through showdown. Are you so afraid to let them see the turn and river? Chances are if they choose to pay for it, they have you beat. If they ride along with you to the turn, then don't get cocky and try to buy the turn pot to scare them off the river. Calm down and let it happen I say. If they have you beat they're gonna see it anyway. Make them pay a reasonably good price for the river, but not enough to cripple your stack if your beat. If they pay that much, then respect their holdings on that river. If they overbet the pot, then just fold. There will be better hands.

Just one man's take. Treat it like TPTK as it is most of the time.

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tbone, check this http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...759&highlight=

happens every month apparently